Re: [upnp-sdk-dev] Project UPnP is DEAD

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Hi,

the worst thing behind these ancient patches: there also has been one of a
RedHat developer, that means the project had a contribution from a developer
of the probably most important Linux distribution and ignored it.

What I completely don't understand is why these patches are ignored for that
long time. Applying one to the current CVS mostly isn't a big problem but if
they are that old like most of them it becomes nearly impossible to do that.

And I think thats the best way of demotivating developers and people that
want to help: waiting until their work becomes useless...

Michael

PS: Currently I'm a developer within the UPNP project but depending on the
progress that the project makes I'm still thinking about a fork from it
where the contributions and efforts other people make are more respected.



> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "Nektarios K. Papadopoulos" <npa...@in...>
> An: upn...@li...
> Betreff: Re: [upnp-sdk-dev] Project UPnP is DEAD
> Datum: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:46:06 +0300
> 
> Hi Dan,
> 
> I've been using upnp-sdk for the last 12 months so I've to thank the 
> creators/maintainers for this. Congrats!
> 
> OTOH, I've been subscribed to the mailing lists for the same amount of 
> time and I'm sorry to say that before 1.3.1 came out, I had the same 
> feeling with Mike.
> 
> The list of open patches/bugs that goes back a few years is certainly 
> giving that impression. I've submitted three of them myself and I've to 
> say that when I did I was thinking "I don't expect anyone to see 
> this...". 2 of them got closed with 1.3.1 release.
> 
> When I saw the 1.3.1 announcement, I was totally surprised. The 1.3.0 
> released just one day before, was never announced. There was no 
> discussion on the list about the plans, no pre-release for us to test etc.
> 
> I mean, even Remi's queries "Is libupnp maintained ?" and "automake and 
> autoconf for libupnp ?" back in Oct 13 2005 remained unanswered in the 
> dev list. Obviously, they were answered/discussed privately but this 
> does not help to attract more developers.
> 
> I think you could have been more clear about "help wanted"; as you just 
> did ;-)
> So, I'd like to help with the project anyway I can (when time permits).
> 
> BR,
> Nektarios
> 
> Dan Baumberger wrote:
> > Why should you be surprised if the maintainers are still active? How did
> you
> > get subscribed to the SDK dev mailing list if there are no maintainers?
> > 
> > The project was inactive not for lack of interest by the maintainers,
> but
> > lack of interest from the community. For years, no one was really
> willing to
> > contribute anything nor was anyone interested in taking over the
> project.
> > Those of us who started the project have been waiting to see if any
> interest
> > kindled in the project. Only in the last couple of months has some
> interest
> > sparked. 
> > 
> > As for developer interest, I've been monitoring the mailing lists from
> day
> > one. Other than Remi and John of late, there hasn't been much developer
> > interest. I haven't seen much email with patches or queries about
> getting
> > involved. Had I seen that, I would have responded. 
> > 
> > If you wish to take over as the (or a) maintainer of the project, let me
> > know and I can add you. I would like to see this project continue to
> > flourish. It is just unfortunate that I do not have the time to
> contribute
> > to this project.
> > 
> > 	- Dan -
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: upn...@li...
> > [mailto:upn...@li...] On Behalf Of
> qx...@gm...
> > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 3:25 AM
> > To: upn...@li...;
> > upn...@li...
> > Subject: [upnp-sdk-dev] Project UPnP is DEAD
> > 
> > Not very funny what I can see...
> > 
> > - the homepage at upnp.sf.net is totally outdated, not only the latest
> > release isn't mentioned there
> > 
> > - the maintainers seem to be not interested in the project, the
> bugtracker
> > is full of open bugs
> > 
> > - patches and modifications that are sent in by developers are ignored,
> > nothing new is integrated
> > 
> > So I'd not be astonished if there are also no maintainers active within
> the
> > mailing lists. For me that means the project is dead, apparently because
> of
> > the lack of interest of the maintainers while developers are willing and
> > able to contribute to the project.
> > 
> > Also if I won't expect to get an answer: what plans are there with the
> > future of the libupnp?
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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