Hi, I am "Solar" from OSNews.com. I continued the Unishell thread here where it really belongs.
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Well then, I misunderstood your intent. What you are trying is not a universal shell, but learning more about coding. That's fine and dandy, but then, you should say so, instead of voicing high-flying plans. Most certainly you won't need a SourceForge project then, though. (I am *mildly* annoyed at the sheer number of "let's do it" projects on SourceForge that never get anywhere.)
The specification thing I was referring to: An universal shell would be a standard, something that would have to be implemented by *others* just as well as yourself. (Imagine a tiny niche OS that would like to use your Unishell, but you don't want to spend any effort in. Those need a specification, and as opposed to what some GNU/Linux people tell you, source code does *not* suffice.
But since you aren't aiming at "the real thing"...
> But what's "private" anyway, in a world where
> rules such as "release early, release often"
> apply?
Well, ReRo counts if you have something you really want to be used by others, or want others to join in. If you want to learn about coding, ReRo usually just clutters the 'net... IMHO.
> For example, is there a good introduction to
> crossplatform coding and abstraction layers
> anywere? I'd be eager to read it!
Cross-platform is a somewhat hazy term. What platforms do you want to cross? Hardware platforms as in Linux/x86 -> Linux/PPC? OS platforms as in Linux -> Windows? Both? Command line or GUI? In what language - C, C++, Perl, Java, Python, whatever?
> IIRC, there's no 'nice' in the spec - yet. In fact, all
> commands listed there right now should be
> possible to implement on almost every platform.
That won't do. If you want Unishell to be really usable, you'd have to wrap all the functionality, not just that what is easy...
> Kevin (IlamaX) is doing the specs now, rather
> extensively.
I hope that the IlamaX spamming the OSNews is faked just like the Raphael who does... ;-)
>> Oh, and with your SourceForge account came
>> a free discussion forum...
> Oh, believe it or not, but: one of the Unishell
> project's greatest sources of constructive
> criticism and discussion to date is ...
> (rataplan) ... YOU!
{bow} Thanks. That's why I posted here instead of OSNews.
> And since -you- are rejecting all invitations, what
> other choice than using the OSNews forums
> have we? ;-)
Well, now you get close to spamming. :-/ I have *very* little time to spare (hell, none to be earnest).
The fact that this forum is open for logged-in users only doesn't help either - my SF user will be disabled soon. (My own project just recently moved away from SW.)
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sounds like a plan. Unishell (at least the way I see it) is both a learning experience and a standard. just, the standard is progressing very slowly, both because of my exams at the moment and because its really a monumental task. thanks for moving off OSNews though, as I think Eugenia should kill that forum because nothing but crap gets posted anymore. (I know we had several long threads on there, probably should have apologized for that)
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> Hi, I am "Solar" from OSNews.com. I continued the Unishell thread here where it really belongs.
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Hi. Thanks. :-)
> Well then, I misunderstood your intent. What you are trying is not a universal shell, but learning more about coding.
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Not yet *fully* right. Kevin's intent (as I understood it) indeed was (and is) to make a universal shell/specifications for a universal shell. I wouldn't say I had any intents. If something is to be discussed I'll see if I can get some passion from anywhere. Besides that, coding is always good!
> That's fine and dandy, but then, you should say so, instead of voicing high-flying plans. Most certainly you won't need a SourceForge project then, though. (I am *mildly* annoyed at the sheer number of "let's do it" projects on SourceForge that never get anywhere.)
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I am *mildly* annoyed at the sheer number of "that would be cool" conversations that lead nowhere yet bitch about existing stuff like there was no tomorrow.
> The specification thing I was referring to: An universal shell would be a standard, something that would have to be implemented by *others* just as well as yourself. (Imagine a tiny niche OS that would like to use your Unishell, but you don't want to spend any effort in. Those need a specification, and as opposed to what some GNU/Linux people tell you, source code does *not* suffice.
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Hmm. Long Hmm. Thinking a little about that, you seem to be right. Oh well, I think I'll just go on fooling with string.h :-)
> But since you aren't aiming at "the real thing"...
---
Please elaborate...?
> Cross-platform is a somewhat hazy term. What platforms do you want to cross?
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Sorry. Should have been more specific. I believe crossing hardware platforms is not that big an issue as long as they run an OS with a C compiler. So what I meant is to cross software platforms. Since this is a shell, and shells tend not to be graphical user interfaces, I meant a command line.
> That won't do. If you want Unishell to be really usable, you'd have to wrap all the functionality, not just that what is easy...
---
Be in the specs what everyone wants to be in the specs. I can only grow with my possibilities. Or vice versa. Erm. Ya. (You know what I mean ;-) )
Always open for any URLs about "wrapping functionality".
> I hope that the IlamaX spamming the OSNews is faked just like the Raphael who does... ;-)
---
He is. Meanwhile I've really begun wondering about that guy. I mean... he obviously has problems. Maybe his parents have abandoned him or so... I also had a friend who was like that once. For him, it was somehow a "proving his powers to himself" after his dad had hung himself. Oh well.
> Well, now you get close to spamming. :-/ I have *very* little time to spare (hell, none to be earnest).
The fact that this forum is open for logged-in users only doesn't help either - my SF user will be disabled soon. (My own project just recently moved away from SW.)
---
I apologize. I did not mean to insult you or anything.
Sorry if it came over like that.
> sounds like a plan. Unishell (at least the way I see it) is both a learning experience and a standard. just, the standard is progressing very slowly, both because of my exams at the moment and because its really a monumental task.
---
Neither is the learning experience part progressing any faster ;-)
> thanks for moving off OSNews though, as I think Eugenia should kill that forum because nothing but crap gets posted anymore. (I know we had several long threads on there, probably should have apologized for that)
---
I don't think she's reading the forums. I've mailed her about it.
So long boys. There's a teacher here who'd like me to close the browser and learn some MS Access...
- Raphael
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Hi, I am "Solar" from OSNews.com. I continued the Unishell thread here where it really belongs.
----
Well then, I misunderstood your intent. What you are trying is not a universal shell, but learning more about coding. That's fine and dandy, but then, you should say so, instead of voicing high-flying plans. Most certainly you won't need a SourceForge project then, though. (I am *mildly* annoyed at the sheer number of "let's do it" projects on SourceForge that never get anywhere.)
The specification thing I was referring to: An universal shell would be a standard, something that would have to be implemented by *others* just as well as yourself. (Imagine a tiny niche OS that would like to use your Unishell, but you don't want to spend any effort in. Those need a specification, and as opposed to what some GNU/Linux people tell you, source code does *not* suffice.
But since you aren't aiming at "the real thing"...
> But what's "private" anyway, in a world where
> rules such as "release early, release often"
> apply?
Well, ReRo counts if you have something you really want to be used by others, or want others to join in. If you want to learn about coding, ReRo usually just clutters the 'net... IMHO.
> For example, is there a good introduction to
> crossplatform coding and abstraction layers
> anywere? I'd be eager to read it!
Cross-platform is a somewhat hazy term. What platforms do you want to cross? Hardware platforms as in Linux/x86 -> Linux/PPC? OS platforms as in Linux -> Windows? Both? Command line or GUI? In what language - C, C++, Perl, Java, Python, whatever?
> IIRC, there's no 'nice' in the spec - yet. In fact, all
> commands listed there right now should be
> possible to implement on almost every platform.
That won't do. If you want Unishell to be really usable, you'd have to wrap all the functionality, not just that what is easy...
> Kevin (IlamaX) is doing the specs now, rather
> extensively.
I hope that the IlamaX spamming the OSNews is faked just like the Raphael who does... ;-)
>> Oh, and with your SourceForge account came
>> a free discussion forum...
> Oh, believe it or not, but: one of the Unishell
> project's greatest sources of constructive
> criticism and discussion to date is ...
> (rataplan) ... YOU!
{bow} Thanks. That's why I posted here instead of OSNews.
> And since -you- are rejecting all invitations, what
> other choice than using the OSNews forums
> have we? ;-)
Well, now you get close to spamming. :-/ I have *very* little time to spare (hell, none to be earnest).
The fact that this forum is open for logged-in users only doesn't help either - my SF user will be disabled soon. (My own project just recently moved away from SW.)
sounds like a plan. Unishell (at least the way I see it) is both a learning experience and a standard. just, the standard is progressing very slowly, both because of my exams at the moment and because its really a monumental task. thanks for moving off OSNews though, as I think Eugenia should kill that forum because nothing but crap gets posted anymore. (I know we had several long threads on there, probably should have apologized for that)
> Hi, I am "Solar" from OSNews.com. I continued the Unishell thread here where it really belongs.
---
Hi. Thanks. :-)
> Well then, I misunderstood your intent. What you are trying is not a universal shell, but learning more about coding.
---
Not yet *fully* right. Kevin's intent (as I understood it) indeed was (and is) to make a universal shell/specifications for a universal shell. I wouldn't say I had any intents. If something is to be discussed I'll see if I can get some passion from anywhere. Besides that, coding is always good!
> That's fine and dandy, but then, you should say so, instead of voicing high-flying plans. Most certainly you won't need a SourceForge project then, though. (I am *mildly* annoyed at the sheer number of "let's do it" projects on SourceForge that never get anywhere.)
---
I am *mildly* annoyed at the sheer number of "that would be cool" conversations that lead nowhere yet bitch about existing stuff like there was no tomorrow.
> The specification thing I was referring to: An universal shell would be a standard, something that would have to be implemented by *others* just as well as yourself. (Imagine a tiny niche OS that would like to use your Unishell, but you don't want to spend any effort in. Those need a specification, and as opposed to what some GNU/Linux people tell you, source code does *not* suffice.
---
Hmm. Long Hmm. Thinking a little about that, you seem to be right. Oh well, I think I'll just go on fooling with string.h :-)
> But since you aren't aiming at "the real thing"...
---
Please elaborate...?
> Cross-platform is a somewhat hazy term. What platforms do you want to cross?
---
Sorry. Should have been more specific. I believe crossing hardware platforms is not that big an issue as long as they run an OS with a C compiler. So what I meant is to cross software platforms. Since this is a shell, and shells tend not to be graphical user interfaces, I meant a command line.
> That won't do. If you want Unishell to be really usable, you'd have to wrap all the functionality, not just that what is easy...
---
Be in the specs what everyone wants to be in the specs. I can only grow with my possibilities. Or vice versa. Erm. Ya. (You know what I mean ;-) )
Always open for any URLs about "wrapping functionality".
> I hope that the IlamaX spamming the OSNews is faked just like the Raphael who does... ;-)
---
He is. Meanwhile I've really begun wondering about that guy. I mean... he obviously has problems. Maybe his parents have abandoned him or so... I also had a friend who was like that once. For him, it was somehow a "proving his powers to himself" after his dad had hung himself. Oh well.
> Well, now you get close to spamming. :-/ I have *very* little time to spare (hell, none to be earnest).
The fact that this forum is open for logged-in users only doesn't help either - my SF user will be disabled soon. (My own project just recently moved away from SW.)
---
I apologize. I did not mean to insult you or anything.
Sorry if it came over like that.
> sounds like a plan. Unishell (at least the way I see it) is both a learning experience and a standard. just, the standard is progressing very slowly, both because of my exams at the moment and because its really a monumental task.
---
Neither is the learning experience part progressing any faster ;-)
> thanks for moving off OSNews though, as I think Eugenia should kill that forum because nothing but crap gets posted anymore. (I know we had several long threads on there, probably should have apologized for that)
---
I don't think she's reading the forums. I've mailed her about it.
So long boys. There's a teacher here who'd like me to close the browser and learn some MS Access...
- Raphael