RE: [UM1-coders] Ctl-S/Ctl-Q

[Adrian S. J. <AS...@pa...>]

> From: J.P. King [mailto:jp...@he...]
>=20
> > Please point me to where this would make it unusable.
> > Session capability need only be the equivalent of @swap (or similar)
> > that just changes your current avatar, and gives you the output that
> > you've missed (similar to using /world in tf).
>=20
> Ok, have I lost the plot somewhere, I thought we were talking
> about things like line editing, split screen and the like.

Not split screen. Think more along the lines of two connections from
within tf, switched between with '/world <foo>'.

Line editing already exists. Use a *REALLY* dumb telnet client and watch
it work. It has been there for a while.

> > There is already a small amount of code that provides what we need.
> > We handle Telnet Options, use terminfo/termcap to get some of the
> > correct terminal options (we should really use it for the colours
> > as well, but since nobody is perfect...)
> Hmm, if we are talking about that it would be nice if there were
> a 'greyscale' option.  I keep having to turn colours off because
> the terminal I happen to be using has an interesting selection of
> colours such that I end up with white on white.  However I like
> having things with bold and stuff.
> </sidetrack>

All the more reason for me to implement it. As long as you set your
terminal type correctly (and the terminfo/termcap database has the
right entry) everything would come out fine.

> > Has any of this broken TF or tush support? Have you noticed the
> > number of options available under 'set' (stupid name, should be
> > called something like setterm, probably at least an @ command).
> >=20
> > So why not have a small amount of code for dealing with Ctl-S and
> > Ctl-Q, which are only going to be used by people not using tf and
> > tush (as they do local line editing for you).
> Err, because on my terminal it will never get through, and if I
> were to change my stty settings to use different control codes
> and then use ^S or ^Q the mud would chose to interpret stuff as
> it saw fit rather than how I had set it.

Please remember that there are 2 ends to a connection. stty only
changes the *LOCAL* (ie where it was run) line discipline.
It happens that in the past, UM and other similar muds just ignore
control characters.

What is being proposed is that Ctl-S and Ctl-Q are implemented
correctly (due to a broken, common client), and can be optionally
switched off.
Thats why we have the 'set' command; switch the UM connection
options on and off. Admittedly line editing isn't an option you
can switch off, but if you're really desparate to have that option
then I can put it in.

> Julian
>=20

Adrian.