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From: Bill K. <nb...@so...> - 2009-03-03 07:19:37
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My friend Graham Freeman is founder (and general manager) of Cernio Technology Co-operative. ( http://www.cernio.com/ ) Very recently, he asked if Cernio could provide hosting for tuxpaint.org. Soon after receiving that email, the hard disk of the server at ServerBeach that was hosting tuxpaint.org started failing (the server would die numerous times per day). Long story short, with a lot of help from him via IRC, tuxpaint.org is now hosted on a virtual private server at Cernio, and should (hopefully) be humming along now. If anyone notices problems with the website, do let me know! Thanks and enjoy, -- and sorry for the down time while the ServerBeach system was in its death throes! -- -bill! "Tux Paint" - free children's drawing software for Windows / Mac OS X / Linux! Download it today! http://www.tuxpaint.org/ |
From: Gloria T. W. <glo...@be...> - 2009-03-03 12:42:43
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I was almost ready to buy a new iMac because of crashes using Tux Paint! So glad you solved the problem... Gloria On Mar 3, 2009, at 2:19 AM, Bill Kendrick wrote: > > My friend Graham Freeman is founder (and general manager) of > Cernio Technology Co-operative. ( http://www.cernio.com/ ) > > Very recently, he asked if Cernio could provide hosting for > tuxpaint.org. Soon after receiving that email, the hard disk of the > server at ServerBeach that was hosting tuxpaint.org started failing > (the server would die numerous times per day). > > Long story short, with a lot of help from him via IRC, tuxpaint.org is > now hosted on a virtual private server at Cernio, and should > (hopefully) > be humming along now. If anyone notices problems with the website, > do let me know! > > Thanks and enjoy, -- and sorry for the down time while the > ServerBeach system > was in its death throes! > > -- > -bill! > "Tux Paint" - free children's drawing software for Windows / Mac OS > X / Linux! > Download it today! http://www.tuxpaint.org/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San > Francisco, CA > -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the > Enterprise > -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source > participation > -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source > code: SFAD > http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H > _______________________________________________ > Tuxpaint-users mailing list > Tux...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tuxpaint-users |
From: Bill K. <nb...@so...> - 2009-03-06 08:58:11
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On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 09:16:10AM +0100, Pere Pujal i Carabantes wrote: > El dj 05 de 03 de 2009 a les 23:24 +0100, en/na Pere Pujal i Carabantes > Or still we can check for key modifiers, so we don't break the api, > don't fill the container for magic icons with lots of redundant > same_tool_with_different_size icons and let children start to be > familiar with key modifiers. Ooh. That's a clever hack, but I don't like the idea of some features behing 'hidden' behind modifier keys. That seems too 'professional' or 'high-end', versus 'simple' and 'for kids'. :) (Another important consideration is accessibility for users with motor-control problems.) *cringing over how complicated design issues can get* Good night :) -bill! |
From: Bill K. <nb...@so...> - 2009-03-04 03:58:23
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On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 07:42:37AM -0500, Gloria Taylor Weinberg wrote: > I was almost ready to buy a new iMac because of crashes using Tux > Paint! So glad you solved the problem... > Gloria Hi Gloria - Well, I'm talking about the server that the tuxpaint.org website is running on. As for Tux Paint _itself_ crashing (on your computer), can you tell us more about what's going on? (Sorry if you have already, and I just forgot -- been very busy around my household and job lately!) -bill! |
From: Gloria T. W. <glo...@be...> - 2009-03-04 13:14:08
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I think we've solved the problem by disabling "Time Machine," which backs up everything on the computer continually, while I'm working in a graphics program. It just couldn't keep up with me, is my theory. ;) My husband did a number of diagnostics after the iMac shut down unexpectedly while I was using Tux Paint or Painter X, and decided to replace the power thing (source or panel or whatever it's called) inside the computer, as well. Seems to be doing fine now, as long as I turn off Time Machine while I'm working. (At my age, it's nice to know I still can move faster than something.) ;) Because of the line width problem with Tux Paint, I'm probably not going to be able to use it to illustrate my book. Still, it's a GREAT program, and I love it! Gloria On Mar 3, 2009, at 10:58 PM, Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 07:42:37AM -0500, Gloria Taylor Weinberg > wrote: >> I was almost ready to buy a new iMac because of crashes using Tux >> Paint! So glad you solved the problem... >> Gloria > > Hi Gloria - Well, I'm talking about the server that the tuxpaint.org > website is running on. > > As for Tux Paint _itself_ crashing (on your computer), can you tell > us more about what's going on? (Sorry if you have already, and I > just forgot -- been very busy around my household and job lately!) > > -bill! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San > Francisco, CA > -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the > Enterprise > -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source > participation > -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source > code: SFAD > http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H > _______________________________________________ > Tuxpaint-users mailing list > Tux...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tuxpaint-users |
From: Bill K. <nb...@so...> - 2009-03-04 19:20:40
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On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 08:13:56AM -0500, Gloria Taylor Weinberg wrote: > Because of the line width problem with Tux Paint, I'm probably not > going to be able to use it to illustrate my book. Still, it's a GREAT > program, and I love it! What's nice about the fact that the Magic Tools are plug-ins now, is that someone could fairly trivially create a few 'thinner' versions of the effects Gloria is looking for, and build them for her for Mac OS X. Hint hint. ;) -bill! |
From: Gloria T. W. <glo...@be...> - 2009-03-04 21:33:59
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Wow. How? Gloria On Mar 4, 2009, at 2:20 PM, Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 08:13:56AM -0500, Gloria Taylor Weinberg > wrote: >> Because of the line width problem with Tux Paint, I'm probably not >> going to be able to use it to illustrate my book. Still, it's a GREAT >> program, and I love it! > > What's nice about the fact that the Magic Tools are plug-ins now, is > that > someone could fairly trivially create a few 'thinner' versions of the > effects Gloria is looking for, and build them for her for Mac OS X. > > Hint hint. ;) > > -bill! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San > Francisco, CA > -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the > Enterprise > -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source > participation > -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source > code: SFAD > http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H > _______________________________________________ > Tuxpaint-users mailing list > Tux...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tuxpaint-users |
From: Bill K. <nb...@so...> - 2009-03-05 03:01:27
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On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 04:33:53PM -0500, Gloria Taylor Weinberg wrote: > Wow. How? Someone with (1) coding skills, (2) free time, and (3) the ability to compile for the Mac, would need to grab the existing tools (whichever ones you wanted thinner versions of), and tweak them to make new versions for you. Sadly, I lack both (2) and (3). :^( (1) is actually pretty trivial. -bill! |
From: Martin F. <mf...@gm...> - 2009-03-05 03:52:15
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For the next few weeks I also lack (2), but am thinking about options for (1), and (3) is trivial ;) A bare-bones perspective drawing tool could adjust the width of the brush a function of height on the canvas (like the grass tool), so lines drawn at the base are thick and get thinner as you draw higher up. Pressing 1-9 could affect the global width of the brush, but I'm not sure if the magic API can capture keystrokes... Martin On 4-Mar-09, at 8:01 PM, Bill Kendrick wrote: > On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 04:33:53PM -0500, Gloria Taylor Weinberg > wrote: >> Wow. How? > > Someone with (1) coding skills, (2) free time, and (3) the ability to > compile for the Mac, would need to grab the existing tools > (whichever ones you wanted thinner versions of), and tweak them to > make new versions for you. > > Sadly, I lack both (2) and (3). :^( > (1) is actually pretty trivial. > > -bill! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San > Francisco, CA > -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the > Enterprise > -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source > participation > -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source > code: SFAD > http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H > _______________________________________________ > Tuxpaint-devel mailing list > Tux...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tuxpaint-devel |
From: Bill K. <nb...@so...> - 2009-03-05 20:19:24
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On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 08:51:58PM -0700, Martin Fuhrer wrote: > For the next few weeks I also lack (2), but am thinking about options > for (1), and (3) is trivial ;) Looks like for many Magic tools, step 1 would simply be changing hard-coded settings (e.g., "blur_RADIUS = 16" in the Blur tool) to something smaller. Of course, if one just goes in and changes these, and rebuilds all of the existing Magic tools for Gloria, she'll have nothing BUT thin versions of the tools. Providing both thick and thin versions would be a little more work... (Then there's the matter of how to drop them into Tux Paint on OS X... Martin, where does one put Magic tools once they're compiled?) -bill! |
From: Gloria T. W. <glo...@be...> - 2009-03-05 14:13:17
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Alas, I am a retired writer/artist, so I have sufficient (2), but absolutely no (1) or (3), so I consider neither of those to be trivial. ;) Also, most of the time, I'd want a uniformly thin line, not one that's thicker at the bottom. If you figure it out, I'll love you forever. I'm trying to avoid paying $400 for Studio Artist just to illustrate the book I wrote for my grandchildren. Thank you for any help you can provide. Gloria On Mar 4, 2009, at 10:51 PM, Martin Fuhrer wrote: > For the next few weeks I also lack (2), but am thinking about options > for (1), and (3) is trivial ;) > > A bare-bones perspective drawing tool could adjust the width of the > brush a function of height on the canvas (like the grass tool), so > lines drawn at the base are thick and get thinner as you draw higher > up. Pressing 1-9 could affect the global width of the brush, but I'm > not sure if the magic API can capture keystrokes... > > Martin > > > On 4-Mar-09, at 8:01 PM, Bill Kendrick wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 04:33:53PM -0500, Gloria Taylor Weinberg >> wrote: >>> Wow. How? >> >> Someone with (1) coding skills, (2) free time, and (3) the ability to >> compile for the Mac, would need to grab the existing tools >> (whichever ones you wanted thinner versions of), and tweak them to >> make new versions for you. >> >> Sadly, I lack both (2) and (3). :^( >> (1) is actually pretty trivial. >> >> -bill! >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San >> Francisco, CA >> -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the >> Enterprise >> -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source >> participation >> -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source >> code: SFAD >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H >> _______________________________________________ >> Tuxpaint-devel mailing list >> Tux...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tuxpaint-devel > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San > Francisco, CA > -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the > Enterprise > -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source > participation > -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source > code: SFAD > http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H > _______________________________________________ > Tuxpaint-users mailing list > Tux...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tuxpaint-users |
From: Gloria T. W. <glo...@be...> - 2009-03-05 15:52:37
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Also, can you tell me in simple terms (as opposed to the geek-speek my husband uses), how I would add stamps? I see you have a farm, sort of, but no horses, cows or tractor. (Two of my grandchildren live on a ranch here in rural Florida, two are from Texas, so these are desirable stamps to add. Thanks, Gloria On Mar 5, 2009, at 9:13 AM, Gloria Taylor Weinberg wrote: > Alas, I am a retired writer/artist, so I have sufficient (2), but > absolutely no (1) or (3), so I consider neither of those to be > trivial. ;) > Also, most of the time, I'd want a uniformly thin line, not one that's > thicker at the bottom. > If you figure it out, I'll love you forever. I'm trying to avoid > paying $400 for Studio Artist just to illustrate the book I wrote for > my grandchildren. > Thank you for any help you can provide. > Gloria > > On Mar 4, 2009, at 10:51 PM, Martin Fuhrer wrote: > >> For the next few weeks I also lack (2), but am thinking about options >> for (1), and (3) is trivial ;) >> >> A bare-bones perspective drawing tool could adjust the width of the >> brush a function of height on the canvas (like the grass tool), so >> lines drawn at the base are thick and get thinner as you draw higher >> up. Pressing 1-9 could affect the global width of the brush, but I'm >> not sure if the magic API can capture keystrokes... >> >> Martin >> >> >> On 4-Mar-09, at 8:01 PM, Bill Kendrick wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 04:33:53PM -0500, Gloria Taylor Weinberg >>> wrote: >>>> Wow. How? >>> >>> Someone with (1) coding skills, (2) free time, and (3) the ability >>> to >>> compile for the Mac, would need to grab the existing tools >>> (whichever ones you wanted thinner versions of), and tweak them to >>> make new versions for you. >>> >>> Sadly, I lack both (2) and (3). :^( >>> (1) is actually pretty trivial. >>> >>> -bill! >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San >>> Francisco, CA >>> -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the >>> Enterprise >>> -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source >>> participation >>> -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source >>> code: SFAD >>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tuxpaint-devel mailing list >>> Tux...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tuxpaint-devel >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San >> Francisco, CA >> -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the >> Enterprise >> -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source >> participation >> -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source >> code: SFAD >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H >> _______________________________________________ >> Tuxpaint-users mailing list >> Tux...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tuxpaint-users > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San > Francisco, CA > -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the > Enterprise > -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source > participation > -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source > code: SFAD > http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H > _______________________________________________ > Tuxpaint-users mailing list > Tux...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tuxpaint-users |
From: Caroline F. <car...@go...> - 2009-03-05 18:37:02
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You may actually find inkscape more useful. It's also free software. Caroline Sent from a mobile device. On 5 Mar 2009, at 14:13, Gloria Taylor Weinberg <glo...@be...> wrote: > Alas, I am a retired writer/artist, so I have sufficient (2), but > absolutely no (1) or (3), so I consider neither of those to be > trivial. ;) > Also, most of the time, I'd want a uniformly thin line, not one that's > thicker at the bottom. > If you figure it out, I'll love you forever. I'm trying to avoid > paying $400 for Studio Artist just to illustrate the book I wrote for > my grandchildren. > Thank you for any help you can provide. > Gloria > > On Mar 4, 2009, at 10:51 PM, Martin Fuhrer wrote: > >> For the next few weeks I also lack (2), but am thinking about options >> for (1), and (3) is trivial ;) >> >> A bare-bones perspective drawing tool could adjust the width of the >> brush a function of height on the canvas (like the grass tool), so >> lines drawn at the base are thick and get thinner as you draw higher >> up. Pressing 1-9 could affect the global width of the brush, but I'm >> not sure if the magic API can capture keystrokes... >> >> Martin >> >> >> On 4-Mar-09, at 8:01 PM, Bill Kendrick wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 04:33:53PM -0500, Gloria Taylor Weinberg >>> wrote: >>>> Wow. How? >>> >>> Someone with (1) coding skills, (2) free time, and (3) the ability >>> to >>> compile for the Mac, would need to grab the existing tools >>> (whichever ones you wanted thinner versions of), and tweak them to >>> make new versions for you. >>> >>> Sadly, I lack both (2) and (3). :^( >>> (1) is actually pretty trivial. >>> >>> -bill! >>> >>> --- >>> --- >>> --- >>> --- >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San >>> Francisco, CA >>> -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the >>> Enterprise >>> -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source >>> participation >>> -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source >>> code: SFAD >>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tuxpaint-devel mailing list >>> Tux...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tuxpaint-devel >> >> >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San >> Francisco, CA >> -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the >> Enterprise >> -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source >> participation >> -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source >> code: SFAD >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H >> _______________________________________________ >> Tuxpaint-users mailing list >> Tux...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tuxpaint-users > > > --- > --- > --- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San > Francisco, CA > -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the > Enterprise > -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source > participation > -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source > code: SFAD > http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H > _______________________________________________ > Tuxpaint-users mailing list > Tux...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tuxpaint-users |
From: Gloria T. W. <glo...@be...> - 2009-03-05 19:39:54
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Thanks, Caroline. I'll check it out ... Gloria On Mar 5, 2009, at 1:21 PM, Caroline Ford wrote: > You may actually find inkscape more useful. It's also free software. > > Caroline > > Sent from a mobile device. > > On 5 Mar 2009, at 14:13, Gloria Taylor Weinberg > <glo...@be...> wrote: > >> Alas, I am a retired writer/artist, so I have sufficient (2), but >> absolutely no (1) or (3), so I consider neither of those to be >> trivial. ;) >> Also, most of the time, I'd want a uniformly thin line, not one >> that's >> thicker at the bottom. >> If you figure it out, I'll love you forever. I'm trying to avoid >> paying $400 for Studio Artist just to illustrate the book I wrote for >> my grandchildren. >> Thank you for any help you can provide. >> Gloria >> >> On Mar 4, 2009, at 10:51 PM, Martin Fuhrer wrote: >> >>> For the next few weeks I also lack (2), but am thinking about >>> options >>> for (1), and (3) is trivial ;) >>> >>> A bare-bones perspective drawing tool could adjust the width of the >>> brush a function of height on the canvas (like the grass tool), so >>> lines drawn at the base are thick and get thinner as you draw higher >>> up. Pressing 1-9 could affect the global width of the brush, but >>> I'm >>> not sure if the magic API can capture keystrokes... >>> >>> Martin >>> >>> >>> On 4-Mar-09, at 8:01 PM, Bill Kendrick wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 04:33:53PM -0500, Gloria Taylor Weinberg >>>> wrote: >>>>> Wow. How? >>>> >>>> Someone with (1) coding skills, (2) free time, and (3) the ability >>>> to >>>> compile for the Mac, would need to grab the existing tools >>>> (whichever ones you wanted thinner versions of), and tweak them to >>>> make new versions for you. >>>> >>>> Sadly, I lack both (2) and (3). :^( >>>> (1) is actually pretty trivial. >>>> >>>> -bill! >>>> >>>> --- >>>> --- >>>> --- >>>> --- >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San >>>> Francisco, CA >>>> -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the >>>> Enterprise >>>> -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source >>>> participation >>>> -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source >>>> code: SFAD >>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Tuxpaint-devel mailing list >>>> Tux...@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tuxpaint-devel >>> >>> >>> --- >>> --- >>> --- >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San >>> Francisco, CA >>> -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the >>> Enterprise >>> -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source >>> participation >>> -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source >>> code: SFAD >>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tuxpaint-users mailing list >>> Tux...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tuxpaint-users >> >> >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San >> Francisco, CA >> -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the >> Enterprise >> -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source >> participation >> -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source >> code: SFAD >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H >> _______________________________________________ >> Tuxpaint-users mailing list >> Tux...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tuxpaint-users > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San > Francisco, CA > -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the > Enterprise > -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source > participation > -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source > code: SFAD > http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H > _______________________________________________ > Tuxpaint-users mailing list > Tux...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tuxpaint-users |
From: Bill K. <nb...@so...> - 2009-03-05 20:15:50
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On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 06:21:50PM +0000, Caroline Ford wrote: > You may actually find inkscape more useful. It's also free software. Good point. Inkscape is a great 'vector-graphics' tool. That is, instead of dealing in little points of color (or 'pixels', like the majority of graphics programs do -- including Tux Paint), it deals mostly in shapes. Lines, squares, circles, and more complicated polygons and curves. (It's often ompared it to the commercial software program "Illustrator", by Adobe.) Vector art often has a particular look and feel to it (kind of cartoony, since you're usually dealing with shapes that are all one color, or perhaps a gradient of shades of a color). A good example I found via a random Google search; http://gould.cx/ted/blog.pix/inkscape-wpg-windmill.png However, much more photorealistic things can be created, too (just as it's possible to use a real paintbrush and canvas, or graphics software that works on bitmaps/pixels, or 3D graphics software, to create photorealistic imagery). See, for example: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Inkscape_0.46.png (If you look closely, you can see that it's not a photo. But it's still very realistic!) Using a vector-based program like Inkscape or Illustrator is usually a different experience than using a bitmap-based program like the commerical "Photoshop" by Adobe, or the open source "Gimp" (see below), or our beloved "Tux Paint." It usually involves less 'stroking like a paintbrush' and more (painstaking, I'd say) manipulation of the shapes that you're trying to place in the image. Speaking of more powerful alternatives to Tux Paint, there's always "The GIMP", a tried and true (usually ;^) ) bitmap graphics editor that's available as open source software for Linux, Mac OS X and Windows. It's main focus is the manipulation of images (i.e., photo touchup and such) but it's certainly possible to make great original works of art using it. Of course, that's true in Tux Paint, too, in my opinion! http://tuxpaint.org/gallery/vashti/20060120233122.png Links: Inkscape: http://www.inkscape.org/ GIMP: http://www.gimp.org/ Adobe: http://www.adobe.com/ -- -bill! "Tux Paint" - free children's drawing software for Windows / Mac OS X / Linux! Download it today! http://www.tuxpaint.org/ |