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[TuxKart-devel] A small tought about diferences in tuxkart and supertuxkart design..

[Coz - <cos...@ho...>]

I was just thinking that tuxkart and supertuxkart, since they are different 
proyects now should have slightly different aims. Besides all the 
supertuxkart is more desorganized than tuxkart but supertuxkart has more 
features thingie, I mean like, design aims.

I remember once that steve barker sayd that in tuxkart people should spend 
almost all the time driving. Maybe we could turn that into a gameplay 
difference, where supertuxkart would focus more on fighting than driving and 
the opposite would be for tuxkart?

If anybody is listening, specially steve barker since tuxkart is his 
project, I pretty much would just want to know that if someone works in 
tuxkart and someone else works in supertuxkart in the end they will be 
pretty much be the same thing just with minimal differences that nobody 
cares and when someone asks which one is better instead of saying   "if you 
like <insert type of game> more you should choose tuxkart but if you like 
<insert type of game here> more you should choose supertuxkart", they say 
"well.. emm.. I dunno they are almost the same it's just matter of 
preference...".

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Re: [TuxKart-devel] A small tought about diferences in tuxkart and supertuxkart design..

[Caleb S. <gam...@gm...>]

Yeah that sounds cool.

On Apr 11, 2005 5:46 AM, Coz - <cos...@ho...> wrote:
> I was just thinking that tuxkart and supertuxkart, since they are differe=
nt
> proyects now should have slightly different aims. Besides all the
> supertuxkart is more desorganized than tuxkart but supertuxkart has more
> features thingie, I mean like, design aims.
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> I remember once that steve barker sayd that in tuxkart people should spen=
d
> almost all the time driving. Maybe we could turn that into a gameplay
> difference, where supertuxkart would focus more on fighting than driving =
and
> the opposite would be for tuxkart?
>=20
> If anybody is listening, specially steve barker since tuxkart is his
> project, I pretty much would just want to know that if someone works in
> tuxkart and someone else works in supertuxkart in the end they will be
> pretty much be the same thing just with minimal differences that nobody
> cares and when someone asks which one is better instead of saying   "if y=
ou
> like <insert type of game> more you should choose tuxkart but if you like
> <insert type of game here> more you should choose supertuxkart", they say
> "well.. emm.. I dunno they are almost the same it's just matter of
> preference...".
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Re: [TuxKart-devel] A small tought about diferences in tuxkart and supertuxkart design..

[Steve B. <sjb...@ai...>]

Caleb Sawtell wrote:

>>I remember once that steve barker sayd that in tuxkart people should spend
>>almost all the time driving.

Do you mean me?  Steve Baker?

If so, I don't recall ever saying that.

>>If anybody is listening, specially steve barker since tuxkart is his
>>project, I pretty much would just want to know that if someone works in
>>tuxkart and someone else works in supertuxkart in the end they will be
>>pretty much be the same thing just with minimal differences that nobody
>>cares and when someone asks which one is better instead of saying   "if you
>>like <insert type of game> more you should choose tuxkart but if you like
>><insert type of game here> more you should choose supertuxkart", they say
>>"well.. emm.. I dunno they are almost the same it's just matter of
>>preference...".

I didn't choose to make the supertuxkart/tuxkart split.

All I wanted was for the public distribution of TuxKart to actually *WORK*
and be portable and easy to maintain.

I demanded of the team that tore Tuxkart apart that they finish making it
work before I'd sanction another public release.  When they stopped working
on it (there had been no check-ins for months) and the project wouldn't even
compile (at least not on my computer), I didn't have time to start fixing
up all of the chaos that was left behind.

Left with a situation where the current CVS wouldn't compile on most Linux
distro's and when it did, it was full of bugs - and I had pressures at work
and commitments to other project - so I had no time to get in and fix stuff
myself, I had no choice but to say that there could be no further public
releases unless I backed out most (or perhaps all) of the changes they'd
made.

This provoked the project fork - I have not been following events since then.

Project forks are generally evil - but I can understand why they did that
and have not created a fuss over it.

If you wish to pick up supertuxkart and make it different/better/whatever,
that's a good thing and I wish you luck with it.

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Re: [TuxKart-devel] A small tought about diferences in tuxkart and supertuxkart design..

[Ingo R. <gr...@gm...>]

"Coz -" <cos...@ho...> writes:

> I was just thinking that tuxkart and supertuxkart, since they are
> different proyects now should have slightly different aims. Besides
> all the supertuxkart is more desorganized than tuxkart but
> supertuxkart has more features thingie, I mean like, design aims.

SuperTuxKart is really nothing more than a 'parking lot' for the work
done in the TuxKart GoTM. Steve didn't like some changes we did, a
bunch of developers lost interest and left and in the end Steve wanted
to roll back the CVS to a working state before the GoTM, so we simple
create SuperTuxKart project to 'park' all the stuff we had done in the
GoTM for possible later reuse. So the whole reason for the fork is not
because we had so many ideas and workpower that they didn't fit all
into one project, but because we hadn't have enough manpower to get
even a single project into a working state.

Neither SuperTuxKart nor TuxKart project have at the moment anybody
activly working on them and there is really no good reason why they
shouldn't join back into one sooner or later.

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Re: [TuxKart-devel] A small tought about diferences in tuxkart and supertuxkart design..

[Ricardo C. <ri...@ae...>]

Hi Coz,

 I'd be already happy if *one* person would work in *one* of the projects! :D

 Really, in my modest opinion, that idea of yours is imbecil. Because it would 
be waste of efforts and, in the end, we would end up with two unfinished 
games. Besides, there aren't that many differences between computer kart 
games. Or do you have any to suggest?

 Anyway, in the far future, when TuxKart is mature enough, it might be a good 
idea to create some mods. But a better approach might be to throw lots of 
functionality that could be enabled by track designers. 

Cheers,
 Ricardo

Em Domingo, 10 de Abril de 2005 18:46, o Coz - escreveu:
> I was just thinking that tuxkart and supertuxkart, since they are different
> proyects now should have slightly different aims. Besides all the
> supertuxkart is more desorganized than tuxkart but supertuxkart has more
> features thingie, I mean like, design aims.
>
> I remember once that steve barker sayd that in tuxkart people should spend
> almost all the time driving. Maybe we could turn that into a gameplay
> difference, where supertuxkart would focus more on fighting than driving
> and the opposite would be for tuxkart?
>
> If anybody is listening, specially steve barker since tuxkart is his
> project, I pretty much would just want to know that if someone works in
> tuxkart and someone else works in supertuxkart in the end they will be
> pretty much be the same thing just with minimal differences that nobody
> cares and when someone asks which one is better instead of saying   "if you
> like <insert type of game> more you should choose tuxkart but if you like
> <insert type of game here> more you should choose supertuxkart", they say
> "well.. emm.. I dunno they are almost the same it's just matter of
> preference...".
>
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Re: [TuxKart-devel] A small tought about diferences in tuxkart and supertuxkart

[Coz - <cos...@ho...>]

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>Hi Coz,
>
>  I'd be already happy if *one* person would work in *one* of the projects! 
>:D
>
>  Really, in my modest opinion, that idea of yours is imbecil. Because it 
>would
>be waste of efforts and, in the end, we would end up with two unfinished
>games. Besides, there aren't that many differences between computer kart
>games. Or do you have any to suggest?
>
>  Anyway, in the far future, when TuxKart is mature enough, it might be a 
>good
>idea to create some mods. But a better approach might be to throw lots of
>functionality that could be enabled by track designers.
>
>Cheers,
>  Ricardo
>
>Em Domingo, 10 de Abril de 2005 18:46, o Coz - escreveu:
> > I was just thinking that tuxkart and supertuxkart, since they are 
>different
> > proyects now should have slightly different aims. Besides all the
> > supertuxkart is more desorganized than tuxkart but supertuxkart has more
> > features thingie, I mean like, design aims.
> >
> > I remember once that steve barker sayd that in tuxkart people should 
>spend
> > almost all the time driving. Maybe we could turn that into a gameplay
> > difference, where supertuxkart would focus more on fighting than driving
> > and the opposite would be for tuxkart?
> >
> > If anybody is listening, specially steve barker since tuxkart is his
> > project, I pretty much would just want to know that if someone works in
> > tuxkart and someone else works in supertuxkart in the end they will be
> > pretty much be the same thing just with minimal differences that nobody
> > cares and when someone asks which one is better instead of saying   "if 
>you
> > like <insert type of game> more you should choose tuxkart but if you 
>like
> > <insert type of game here> more you should choose supertuxkart", they 
>say
> > "well.. emm.. I dunno they are almost the same it's just matter of
> > preference...".
> >
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><cesarb> Damn, every time I spawn, qf-client-x11 locks hard
><Zoid> Don't die?
><Knghtbrd> good incentive.

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