Thread: [TuxKart-devel] Re: Tuxkart-devel digest, Vol 1 #39 - 13 msgs
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From: Ricardo C. <ri...@ae...> - 2004-06-28 22:05:53
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Just to point out that a lot of special effects and crazy stuff doesn't ma= ke=20 the game necessarily fun. Anyone knows Skunny Kart? :) I would be more than happy if Tux Kart would be as fun as it was. Graphics= =20 were rude, but the game elements, just give it a great gaming experience. btw. would be cool if players would look at sides, when turning and stuff. = :) Ricardo Em Segunda, 28 de Junho de 2004 22:08, o=20 tux...@li... escreveu: > Content-Type=3Dmessage/rfc822 > Content-Description=3Dembedded message > Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 09:41:05 -0500 > From: Steve Baker <sjb...@ai...> > To: =A0t...@li... > Subject: Re: [TuxKart-devel] Some crude Kart sketches > Reply-To: tux...@li... > > Ingo Ruhnke wrote: > > Some crude Kart sketches: > > > > http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/tuxkarts.jpg > > Wilder!! =A0More over-the-top! > > Look at our competition: > > http://www.sjbaker.org/tmp/tuxkart/ =2D-=20 A farmer is a man outstanding in his field. |
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From: Ricardo C. <ri...@ae...> - 2004-06-28 22:06:27
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Those characters just rock! :) I just didn't like the Mr. Ice Block. Don't think it fits in the game... W= hat=20 about a polar bear? It's from Antarctica as Tux... Cheers, Ricardo Em Segunda, 28 de Junho de 2004 22:08, o=20 tux...@li... escreveu: > Content-Type=3Dmessage/rfc822 > Content-Description=3Dembedded message > To: tux...@li... > From: Ingo Ruhnke <gr...@gm...> > Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 16:20:28 +0200 > Subject: [TuxKart-devel] Some crude Kart sketches > Reply-To: tux...@li... > > > Some crude Kart sketches: > > http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/tmp/tuxkarts.jpg > > -- > WWW: =A0 =A0 =A0http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/ > JabberID: gr...@ja... > ICQ: =A0 =A0 =A059461927 =2D-=20 A clever prophet makes sure of the event first. |
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From: Steve B. <sjb...@ai...> - 2004-06-29 21:42:36
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Ricardo Cruz wrote: > Those characters just rock! :) > I just didn't like the Mr. Ice Block. Don't think it fits in the game... What > about a polar bear? It's from Antarctica as Tux... Not that it matters - but polar bears come from the North pole - Penguins from the South! Penguins natural enemies are: Skua's (who eat their eggs), Leopard Seals and Killer-Whales. ---------------------------- Steve Baker ------------------------- HomeEmail: <sjb...@ai...> WorkEmail: <sj...@li...> HomePage : http://www.sjbaker.org Projects : http://plib.sf.net http://tuxaqfh.sf.net http://tuxkart.sf.net http://prettypoly.sf.net -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GCS d-- s:+ a+ C++++$ UL+++$ P--- L++++$ E--- W+++ N o+ K? w--- !O M- V-- PS++ PE- Y-- PGP-- t+ 5 X R+++ tv b++ DI++ D G+ e++ h--(-) r+++ y++++ -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK----- |
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From: Ryan F. <rf...@gm...> - 2004-06-29 21:46:55
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:44:45 -0500, Steve Baker <sjb...@ai...> wrote: > > Ricardo Cruz wrote: > > Those characters just rock! :) > > I just didn't like the Mr. Ice Block. Don't think it fits in the game... What > > about a polar bear? It's from Antarctica as Tux... > > Not that it matters - but polar bears come from the North pole - Penguins from > the South! > > Penguins natural enemies are: Skua's (who eat their eggs), Leopard Seals and > Killer-Whales. Yeah, I think seals, albatrosses and whales are pretty much the only other antarctic creatures in addition to penguins :) -- Ryan |
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From: Steve B. <sjb...@ai...> - 2004-06-29 22:55:44
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Ryan Flegel wrote: > > Yeah, I think seals, albatrosses and whales are pretty much the only > other antarctic creatures in addition to penguins :) It can't be nice to be at the bottom of the food chain...aside from the fish, krill and plankton that is. :-( Killer whales make good game characters. Leopard seals are really interesting (graphically speaking) because of their markings - but people wouldn't recognise them for what they are I think. ---------------------------- Steve Baker ------------------------- HomeEmail: <sjb...@ai...> WorkEmail: <sj...@li...> HomePage : http://www.sjbaker.org Projects : http://plib.sf.net http://tuxaqfh.sf.net http://tuxkart.sf.net http://prettypoly.sf.net -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GCS d-- s:+ a+ C++++$ UL+++$ P--- L++++$ E--- W+++ N o+ K? w--- !O M- V-- PS++ PE- Y-- PGP-- t+ 5 X R+++ tv b++ DI++ D G+ e++ h--(-) r+++ y++++ -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK----- |
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From: Charles G. <ch...@ve...> - 2004-06-29 21:53:10
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On Tue, 2004-06-29 at 16:44 -0500, Steve Baker wrote: > Penguins natural enemies are: Skua's (who eat their eggs), Leopard Seals and > Killer-Whales. I think a Killer Whale character would rock. Later on this evening I'll draw up a summary of contributed character ideas thus far and post it to the list. -- - Charlie Charles Goodwin <ch...@ve...> Online @ www.charlietech.com |
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From: Steve B. <sjb...@ai...> - 2004-06-29 22:57:00
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Charles Goodwin wrote: > On Tue, 2004-06-29 at 16:44 -0500, Steve Baker wrote: > >>Penguins natural enemies are: Skua's (who eat their eggs), Leopard Seals and >>Killer-Whales. > > > I think a Killer Whale character would rock. > > Later on this evening I'll draw up a summary of contributed character > ideas thus far and post it to the list. Don't forget the Octopus...I want to see 8 animated tentacles and the ability to hold up to 8 different powerups at once as his special power. :-) "Graphically interesting". ---------------------------- Steve Baker ------------------------- HomeEmail: <sjb...@ai...> WorkEmail: <sj...@li...> HomePage : http://www.sjbaker.org Projects : http://plib.sf.net http://tuxaqfh.sf.net http://tuxkart.sf.net http://prettypoly.sf.net -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GCS d-- s:+ a+ C++++$ UL+++$ P--- L++++$ E--- W+++ N o+ K? w--- !O M- V-- PS++ PE- Y-- PGP-- t+ 5 X R+++ tv b++ DI++ D G+ e++ h--(-) r+++ y++++ -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK----- |
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From: Ricardo C. <ri...@ae...> - 2004-06-28 22:14:59
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Hi Steve, Please, do a favor to all of us: stop writting so much! :) Em Segunda, 28 de Junho de 2004 22:08, o=20 tux...@li... escreveu: > Content-Type=3Dmessage/rfc822 > Content-Description=3Dembedded message > Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:47:10 -0500 > From: Steve Baker <sjb...@ai...> > To: =A0t...@li... > Subject: Re: [TuxKart-devel] Re: Tuxkart-devel digest, Vol 1 #36 - 8 msgs > Reply-To: tux...@li... > > Ricardo Cruz wrote: > > =A0I don't agree with this. > > =A0Why not making it like any other Karts game? Each characters has its > > level of difficulty. > > They don't *all* work that way. =A0MarioKart'64 has an 'engine size' > selection (50cc, 100cc, 150cc IIRC) - what this changes is the game > difficulty - in a number of subtle ways...however, all of the characters > are present in all of those 'difficulty' levels. > > As I recall, the Crash Bandicoot kart game has difficulty too (I'll have = to > dust off our aging Playstation to find out). > I haven't say that there shouldn't be any generic difficulty value. I agre= e=20 with that, that adds replay value. I just said that characters should also have their own difficulty. This wa= y,=20 each kart that you pass through will get harder. And to get into the 1st=20 place, you would have to be really good. > Anyway - this is our game - and we get to choose how to do it. > > The problem with each character having a hard-wired difficulty level is > that we'd have to make a LOT more characters. =A0If you want 'easy' 'medi= um' > and 'hard', you'd need (at a minimum) four characters at each level > otherwise the beginner doesn't have four easy characters to race with - a= nd > the experienced guy doesn't have four difficult characters to choose from. > > That would force us to build at least 12 characters - but even having done > that, we still gave the player very little choice about who to race at > any given level of challenge. > I think 12 characters is too much. But 8 is a must, at least for a challen= ge=20 mode. > If we put 'difficulty' factors into the game in other ways that don't > require us to change the Kart graphics each time - then there can be > more characters available at each stage (although we might want to make > some of them 'unlockable' so you have to work in order to play them). > > We can change the abilities of the karts at different levels by changing > some constants in the code - speed, accelleration, cornering ability, etc. > We can also (in principle) change the skill level in the AI to do that. > > This isn't unreasonable - after all, our human player's abilities > improve with practice - why shouldn't our game characters get better as > time goes on? > Well, that's a good idea. :D Ricardo > I strongly suspect that it's going to be hard to make even 12 > character/kart models that look good...so as a purely practical matter, I > think difficulty has to lie outside of character selection. =2D-=20 In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion. -- Carl Sagan, 1987 CSICOP keynote address |
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From: Ingo R. <gr...@gm...> - 2004-06-29 19:04:32
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Ricardo Cruz <ri...@ae...> writes: > Anyone knows Skunny Kart? :) Looks like a rip-off of Wacky Wheels, which in turn of course got heavily inspried by MarioKart. > Just to point out that a lot of special effects and crazy stuff > doesn't make the game necessarily fun. Yep, I agree on that. I personally prefer the first MarioKart quite a bit for everything that come after it, to many hills and jumps, just kind of spoil the fun that drifting and driving on a simple flat track can make. -- WWW: http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/ JabberID: gr...@ja... ICQ: 59461927 |
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From: Steve B. <sjb...@ai...> - 2004-06-29 21:44:45
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Ricardo Cruz wrote: > Just to point out that a lot of special effects and crazy stuff doesn't make > the game necessarily fun. No - but it's a part of player's expectations these days. That final 'gloss' is what makes a game impressive. > btw. would be cool if players would look at sides, when turning and stuff. :) Yeah - different camera angles are on my 'To Do' list. ---------------------------- Steve Baker ------------------------- HomeEmail: <sjb...@ai...> WorkEmail: <sj...@li...> HomePage : http://www.sjbaker.org Projects : http://plib.sf.net http://tuxaqfh.sf.net http://tuxkart.sf.net http://prettypoly.sf.net -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- GCS d-- s:+ a+ C++++$ UL+++$ P--- L++++$ E--- W+++ N o+ K? w--- !O M- V-- PS++ PE- Y-- PGP-- t+ 5 X R+++ tv b++ DI++ D G+ e++ h--(-) r+++ y++++ -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK----- |
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