Re: [TuxKart-devel] Re: [Tuxkart-cvs] tuxkart/src Driver.h,1.14,1.15 joystick.h,1.3,1.4 PlayerDriver.cxx,1.12,1.13 sdldrv.cxx,1.16,1.17 sdldrv.h,1.6,1.7

[Steve B. <sjb...@ai...>]

Charles Goodwin wrote:

> I would hope you will be 'replacing' it with PLIB-relevant code rather 
> than 'removing' it.

Depends on how much effort it would take.  It might just be easier to
dump it and start over.

>> The idea of GOTM is to help a project - not to make a complete
>> pig's breakfast of it.
> 
> And the idea of GotM is for the maintainer is to play an active role.  

I've tried to do that - but nobody wants to listen to what I have to say
so it's just easier to let you guys bulldoze ahead and then clean up whatever
mess is left at the end.

> No offense Steve, but since GotM started you have done jack all.

That's not true.  I added the multi-view stuff and did a ton of code
cleanup.   Recently, I've not wanted to get involved because I'd be
spending all my time undoing what people have screwed up - that would
lead to interminable arguments which I really don't have the patience
for - so I'd prefer to duck out until the chaos dies down and restore
sanity at the end.

> There are unacceptable caveats with PLIB - the fullscreen one being 
> cheif among them (I run 1280x1024, a resolution I do not want to carry 
> over into the game which my CPU+GPU can barely handle _before_ the 
> models are enhanced).  And you refuse to acknowledge, and hence solve, 
> them.

The whole full screen business is a really trivial matter - if the PLIB
windowing library can't do it then let's make it do it rather than tossing
it out and starting over.  However, this isn't something that in any way
stops people from doing what GoTM was supposed to be doing - it just
causes all of the ridiculous SDL hassles - which is now infecting the
joystick interface and who-knows-what else.

The whole problem with GOTM (from the maintainers perspective) is that you
set out to do a relatively modest amount of work just where it was most
sorely needed - something that could have been managed in two months if
everyone had stayed focussed on the original objectives.  This was all agreed
before the voting and with my 100% backing.

What's actually happened is that you've ended up attempting to do virtually
a top to bottom rewrite with all new models, new libraries, new GUI - the whole
works.  You are dinking unnecessarily with things that are really working just
fine.

Frankly, it would have been easier for you to start afresh with a completely
new game...but that would be ridiculous because you KNOW you can't write a
complete new game in two months.

The GoTM concept is a good one - but failing to stay focussed on what was
the original scope of the work is what undoubtedly lead to your failure
to complete Pingus - and with only a few weeks to run, the same will
happen with TuxKart.

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