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Re: [tuxdroid-user] Python API: store() and restore() unused

[David B. <da...@ja...>]

I just asked Rémi and he now uses them for the widgets stuff. He changed  
them somehow but that's still not on svn so better leave that until he  
commits his changes. AFAIK he changed a lot on the API but unfortunately  
he doesn't like to use SVN so commits are not regular.

On Mon, 28 May 2007 16:35:21 +0200, Martin Thomas  
<ma...@ma...> wrote:

> I would remove them if they are not being used. Why change code that is
> being used to support a change in unused code?
>
> //m
>
> On Mon, 2007-05-28 at 14:56 +0200, neimad wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I was browsing the Tuxdroïd's Python API and noticed two big functions,
>> namely store() and restore(), whose roles are to "save" the contents of
>> on_xxx members to s_on_xxx members and copy back s_on_xxx to on_xxx
>> later, respectively.
>>
>> They don't seem to be used anywhere, though, so I'm willing to remove
>> them entirely. However, if there's a good reason to keep them, I would
>> rewrite them more concisely, something along the lines of:
>>
>>     def store(self):
>>         members = [m for m in self.__dict__ if m[:3] == "on_"]
>>         for m in members:
>>                 self.__dict__["saved_" + m] = self.__dict__[m]
>>
>>     def restore(self):
>>         members = [m for m in self.__dict__ if m[:3] == "on_"]
>>         for m in members:
>>                 self.__dict__[m] = self.__dict__["saved_" + m]
>>
>> And maybe even return the "saved" state instead of storing it within
>> the object.
>>
>> This could be applied to clear() as well:
>>
>>     def clear(self):
>>         for member in self.__dict__:
>>             if member[:3] == "on_":
>>                 self.__dict__[member] = None
>>
>> The problem with in doing so is that currently the objects have both
>> variables and methods with the same name: on_status and on_status(),
>> for example. Thus it would require to rename either of these.
>>
>> Comments ?
>>
>> 	Damien
>>
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Re: [tuxdroid-user] Python API: store() and restore() unused

[Martin T. <ma...@ma...>]

I would remove them if they are not being used. Why change code that is
being used to support a change in unused code?

//m

On Mon, 2007-05-28 at 14:56 +0200, neimad wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I was browsing the Tuxdroïd's Python API and noticed two big functions,
> namely store() and restore(), whose roles are to "save" the contents of
> on_xxx members to s_on_xxx members and copy back s_on_xxx to on_xxx
> later, respectively.
> 
> They don't seem to be used anywhere, though, so I'm willing to remove
> them entirely. However, if there's a good reason to keep them, I would
> rewrite them more concisely, something along the lines of:
> 
>     def store(self):
>         members = [m for m in self.__dict__ if m[:3] == "on_"]
>         for m in members:
>                 self.__dict__["saved_" + m] = self.__dict__[m]
> 
>     def restore(self):
>         members = [m for m in self.__dict__ if m[:3] == "on_"]
>         for m in members:
>                 self.__dict__[m] = self.__dict__["saved_" + m]
> 
> And maybe even return the "saved" state instead of storing it within
> the object.
> 
> This could be applied to clear() as well:
> 
>     def clear(self):
>         for member in self.__dict__:
>             if member[:3] == "on_":
>                 self.__dict__[member] = None
> 
> The problem with in doing so is that currently the objects have both
> variables and methods with the same name: on_status and on_status(),
> for example. Thus it would require to rename either of these.
> 
> Comments ?
> 
> 	Damien
> 
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[tuxdroid-user] Python API: store() and restore() unused

[neimad <ror...@gm...>]

Hello,

I was browsing the Tuxdro=C3=AFd's Python API and noticed two big functions,
namely store() and restore(), whose roles are to "save" the contents of
on_xxx members to s_on_xxx members and copy back s_on_xxx to on_xxx
later, respectively.

They don't seem to be used anywhere, though, so I'm willing to remove
them entirely. However, if there's a good reason to keep them, I would
rewrite them more concisely, something along the lines of:

    def store(self):
        members =3D [m for m in self.__dict__ if m[:3] =3D=3D "on_"]
        for m in members:
                self.__dict__["saved_" + m] =3D self.__dict__[m]

    def restore(self):
        members =3D [m for m in self.__dict__ if m[:3] =3D=3D "on_"]
        for m in members:
                self.__dict__[m] =3D self.__dict__["saved_" + m]

And maybe even return the "saved" state instead of storing it within
the object.

This could be applied to clear() as well:

    def clear(self):
        for member in self.__dict__:
            if member[:3] =3D=3D "on_":
                self.__dict__[member] =3D None

The problem with in doing so is that currently the objects have both
variables and methods with the same name: on_status and on_status(),
for example. Thus it would require to rename either of these.

Comments ?

	Damien

Re: [tuxdroid-user] Tux Droid and Pidgin!!

[Julien R. <jul...@gm...>]

Good work !

This script is enough well, it is possible to put this on svn ? it
will be more easy to work.

Julien

2007/5/26, neimad <ror...@gm...>:
> I added simplistic language and gender selection from the commandline.
> Patch attached.
>
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Re: [tuxdroid-user] Tux Droid and Pidgin!!

[neimad <ror...@gm...>]

CARPENTIER Thomas <car...@fr...> writes:

I added simplistic language and gender selection from the commandline.
Patch attached.

	Damien

Re: [tuxdroid-user] Tux Droid and Pidgin!!

[neimad <ror...@gm...>]

CARPENTIER Thomas <car...@fr...> writes:

[...]

> at line 81 =3D> text need be encoded in 'utf-8'
> text=3Dtext.encode('utf-8')
> Fixed in attached file.

It works now :-) except that Tux says both the alias of the contact
and its status (occupied, away, etc):

    "Alice is online"
    "Bob Occup=C3=A9 is online"

This is weird, and I think Tux should only say the name.

Unfortunately, from what I see in your code libpurple returns the
status as part of the contact's alias ! This is pretty stupid, and I
hope there's a way to get the alias (or name) *only* ?

	Damien

Re: [tuxdroid-user] Tux Droid and Pidgin!!

[neimad <ror...@gm...>]

"Julien Ruchaud" <jul...@gm...> writes:

> 4': Is it preferable to exit with return code different to 0 and
> specify in error maybe that dbus support is not supported by Pidgin ?

Yes, exiting with a value other than zero would be better in this case
(no dbus support or not pidgin running, which would be the same thing
from the script's pov, i guess).

However, if the script is intended to be run as a daemon, it would be
better to periodically check whether pidgin is running and notify the
user (with notify-send, for instance) when pidgin is started/stopped.

	Damien

Re: [tuxdroid-user] Tux Droid and Pidgin!!

[Julien R. <jul...@gm...>]

Hi,

Thank for all tester !

1: That's strange I work in debian !

Sorry I doesn't believe that script is on svn.

2, 3, 4:  Thanks

4': Is it preferable to exit with return code different to 0 and
specify in error maybe that dbus support is not supported by Pidgin ?

Julien

2007/5/26, CARPENTIER Thomas <car...@fr...>:
> Hi!
>
> 2:
> i modified it
>
> 3 :  at line 96, i added 'try except" functions.
>
>  4 :
> at line 81 =3D> text need be encoded in 'utf-8'
> text=3Dtext.encode('utf-8')
> Fixed in attached file.
> I am working about received message, i found a parser for html to text.
> I will post it when it will done
>
> Thomas
>
>
> ror...@gm... a =E9crit :
> > "Julien Ruchaud" <jul...@gm...> writes:
> >
> >
> >> Hi,
> >> I post on the forum a new version, now Tuxdroid speaks with TTS voices
> >> that say the contact on pidgin. I can't really test because I haven't
> >> got tuxdroid, so I need somebody test and say if it run.
> >>
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Just tried it and I have a few comments:
> >
> > 1. There is a bunch of ^M at the end of the lines in the module's doc
> >    string and in __author__, __app__name, etc. Please don't use these
> >    in the Unix/Linux world. (See dos2unix.)
> >
> >    There is trailing whitespace. It's ugly and may lead to conflicts
> >    or unnecessary diffs when merging/committing in svn. Your editor
> >    probably has an option to remove these automatically.
> >
> > 2. I think you should use underscores in your function names:
> >    received_im_msg() and buddy_signed_on() are much more readable than
> >    receivedimmsg() and buddysignedon().
> >
> > 3. When pidgin is not running, your script dumps an exception; it
> >    should catch it and print a nice, user-friendly error message
> >    instead.
> >
> > 4. When I started pidgin and then your script, the latter printed on
> >    stdout that "Blah is online" (which was right) but Tux didn't *say*
> >    it. Both tuxdaemon and tuxttsdaemon where running
> >
>
> > I'll keep your script running and see what happens when my contacts
> > come and go.
> >
> >       Damien
> >
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Re: [tuxdroid-user] Tux Droid and Pidgin!!

[CARPENTIER T. <car...@fr...>]

Hi!

2:
i modified it

3 :  at line 96, i added 'try except" functions.

 4 :
at line 81 => text need be encoded in 'utf-8'
text=text.encode('utf-8')
Fixed in attached file.
I am working about received message, i found a parser for html to text. 
I will post it when it will done

Thomas


ror...@gm... a écrit :
> "Julien Ruchaud" <jul...@gm...> writes:
>
>   
>> Hi,
>> I post on the forum a new version, now Tuxdroid speaks with TTS voices
>> that say the contact on pidgin. I can't really test because I haven't
>> got tuxdroid, so I need somebody test and say if it run.
>>     
>
> Hello,
>
> Just tried it and I have a few comments:
>
> 1. There is a bunch of ^M at the end of the lines in the module's doc
>    string and in __author__, __app__name, etc. Please don't use these
>    in the Unix/Linux world. (See dos2unix.)
>
>    There is trailing whitespace. It's ugly and may lead to conflicts
>    or unnecessary diffs when merging/committing in svn. Your editor
>    probably has an option to remove these automatically.
>
> 2. I think you should use underscores in your function names:
>    received_im_msg() and buddy_signed_on() are much more readable than
>    receivedimmsg() and buddysignedon().
>
> 3. When pidgin is not running, your script dumps an exception; it
>    should catch it and print a nice, user-friendly error message
>    instead.
>
> 4. When I started pidgin and then your script, the latter printed on
>    stdout that "Blah is online" (which was right) but Tux didn't *say*
>    it. Both tuxdaemon and tuxttsdaemon where running
>   

> I'll keep your script running and see what happens when my contacts
> come and go.
>
> 	Damien
>
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Re: [tuxdroid-user] Tux Droid and Pidgin!!

[<ror...@gm...>]

"Julien Ruchaud" <jul...@gm...> writes:

> Hi,
> I post on the forum a new version, now Tuxdroid speaks with TTS voices
> that say the contact on pidgin. I can't really test because I haven't
> got tuxdroid, so I need somebody test and say if it run.

Hello,

Just tried it and I have a few comments:

1. There is a bunch of ^M at the end of the lines in the module's doc
   string and in __author__, __app__name, etc. Please don't use these
   in the Unix/Linux world. (See dos2unix.)

   There is trailing whitespace. It's ugly and may lead to conflicts
   or unnecessary diffs when merging/committing in svn. Your editor
   probably has an option to remove these automatically.

2. I think you should use underscores in your function names:
   received_im_msg() and buddy_signed_on() are much more readable than
   receivedimmsg() and buddysignedon().

3. When pidgin is not running, your script dumps an exception; it
   should catch it and print a nice, user-friendly error message
   instead.

4. When I started pidgin and then your script, the latter printed on
   stdout that "Blah is online" (which was right) but Tux didn't *say*
   it. Both tuxdaemon and tuxttsdaemon where running.

I'll keep your script running and see what happens when my contacts
come and go.

	Damien

Re: [tuxdroid-user] Tux Droid and Pidgin!!

[Julien R. <jul...@gm...>]

Hi,
I post on the forum a new version, now Tuxdroid speaks with TTS voices
that say the contact on pidgin. I can't really test because I haven't
got tuxdroid, so I need somebody test and say if it run.

Thanks

Julien

2007/5/22, ror...@gm... <ror...@gm...>:
> ma...@ma... writes:
>
> > Very nice!
> > I was also looking at Tux and DBus recently.. I need to get back to
> > that. Thanks for the reminder!
> >
> > //m
>
> Speaking of which, if you intend to add DBus support to Tux, this post
> on Planet Gnome is an interesting read (and the example happens to be
> about Gaim's use of DBus):
>
> "Best D-Bus Practices"
> http://swik.net/GNOME/Planet+GNOME/Havoc+Pennington:+Best+D-Bus+Practices/7rss
>
>         Damien
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Re: [tuxdroid-user] Tux Droid and Pidgin Emoticones!!

[<car...@fr...>]

Hi,

i think emoticones for

- Tux Smiles ( Tux open open mouth and read waw "ahahah")
- Tux spins left and/or right ( like
http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Pingouins/pingouin1.gif)
- Tux wings left and or/right ( like
http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Pingouins/pingouin-20060614.gif)
- Tux open/close eyes
- Tux leds blinks


Thomas


Selon Florent THIERY <ft...@gm...>:

> > I develop a new feature into my script, but before deliver it i need
> > somebody who can help me to (really good in design ;-) ) creates
> > emoticones of TuxDroid which symbolize each actions TuxDroid can do
>
> Well, first, what types of actions do you have in mind?  :)
>
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Re: [tuxdroid-user] Tux Droid and Pidgin Emoticones!!

[Florent T. <ft...@gm...>]

> I develop a new feature into my script, but before deliver it i need
> somebody who can help me to (really good in design ;-) ) creates
> emoticones of TuxDroid which symbolize each actions TuxDroid can do

Well, first, what types of actions do you have in mind?  :)

Florent

[tuxdroid-user] Tux Droid and Pidgin Emoticones!!

[CARPENTIER T. <car...@fr...>]

Hi All!!

I develop a new feature into my script, but before deliver it i need 
somebody who can help me to (really good in design ;-) ) creates 
emoticones of TuxDroid which symbolize each actions TuxDroid can do.( 
picture need be in png).

Thanks a lot

Thomas

Re: [tuxdroid-user] Tux Droid and Pidgin!!

[<ror...@gm...>]

ma...@ma... writes:

> Very nice!
> I was also looking at Tux and DBus recently.. I need to get back to
> that. Thanks for the reminder!
>
> //m

Speaking of which, if you intend to add DBus support to Tux, this post
on Planet Gnome is an interesting read (and the example happens to be
about Gaim's use of DBus):

"Best D-Bus Practices"
http://swik.net/GNOME/Planet+GNOME/Havoc+Pennington:+Best+D-Bus+Practices/7rss

	Damien

Re: [tuxdroid-user] Tux Droid and Pidgin!!

[<ma...@ma...>]

Very nice!
I was also looking at Tux and DBus recently.. I need to get back to  
that. Thanks for the reminder!

//m

Quoting CARPENTIER Thomas <car...@fr...>:

> hi all
>
> After long time to read pidgin API, i can update my python script for
> Gaim in python script for Pidgin.
>
> *Description :*
> when a contact is connected, Tux Droid opens the mouth, and says  alias
> contact to you
>
> TODO LIST
> =========
> - make some actions when a conversation started
> - Internationalization Regards,
>
> Thomas CARPENTIER

[tuxdroid-user] Tux Droid and Pidgin!!

[CARPENTIER T. <car...@fr...>]

hi all

After long time to read pidgin API, i can update my python script for 
Gaim in python script for Pidgin.

*Description :*
when a contact is connected, Tux Droid opens the mouth, and says  alias 
contact to you

TODO LIST
=========
- make some actions when a conversation started
- Internationalization 


Regards,

Thomas CARPENTIER

[tuxdroid-user] Awesome ruby-netvibes project

[Florent T. <ft...@gm...>]

Notice the apps: load monitor, uploader, downloader, ...

http://gnetvibes.rubyforge.org/index.html

... What about tuxdroid web widgets? :)

[tuxdroid-user] Tux on the D-bus

[<ma...@ma...>]

I am working on some code to allow dbus aware applications to make  
requests of Tux to read out messages, flap wings etc.
This would provide a single point of access to Tux, instead of having  
multiple scripts simultaneously try to do conflicting things.

Is anyone else working on anything similar?


//M

Re: [tuxdroid-user] Ubuntu party: saturday, la Villette?

[David B. <da...@ja...>]

On Thu, 10 May 2007 09:52:45 +0200, Florent THIERY <ft...@gm...>  
wrote:

> Hey
>
> You've been quite silent about it, but what about next saturday? :)
>
> Florent
>

I've just been asked a few minutes ago if I could go there give a  
presentation but I have a gig on saturday. Seb will probably do it.

Re: [tuxdroid-user] Tux's widgets and Impress

[David B. <da...@ja...>]

On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:49:31 +0200, <car...@fr...> wrote:

>
> hi all,
>
> I have read on the Wiki  paragraph concerning impress :
> [...]
> I 've already think about it. And my first idea is to work with PyUno (
> http://udk.openoffice.org/python/python-bridge.html). It's a  
> python-bridge to
> automate openoffice. As you can create a OODocument, i think it's  
> possible to
> manage presentation. ( I will like use it for my exam !!!)

Hi Thomas,

I created a new page for this presentation widget, I put all the links I  
found over there:
http://wiki.tuxisalive.com/index.php/Presenter

With the couple of presentation applications that I found, I think we can  
already do a lot with fake keys and mouse events. Keyjnote looks good and  
simple, it has some nice looking features that would be very good to use  
with tux. It uses pdf or bitmaps so there shouldn't be any problem to view  
any presentation once converted.
For impress, that's not a good idea anyway to rely on impress itself in  
beamer mode, you can use indeview if you want to keep your file in the  
original ODF.

"Xtest" is the extension API to use for sending fake X events but I don't  
know what's the best way to use it in python.
I added the links in the wiki, basically I found one guy using a command  
line wrapper for Xtest (xte), the Python X Library module, a small C  
extension module wrapping the necessary part of Xtest and used in python,  
or some more complex stuff used with SWIG.

That's where I am. If the Python X Library module is part of python by  
default and is usable, that's probably the way to go, otherwise a small C  
extension module makes sense so we don't have other dependencies. What do  
you think?

David

Re: [tuxdroid-user] Imagination?

[David B. <da...@ja...>]

Nice to find some guys with the same needs :-)
Right now the microphone level is not monitored by tux itself but the  
captured sound is streamed continously to the computer so it should be  
possible to do whatever you imagine from the computer side.

As the ADC inside tuxaudio CPU continuously acquires the microphone  
signal, I thought of computing a kind of peak signal that would be sent to  
the computer each 100ms in order to get a sound level value without having  
to process the audio signal itself. But the main advantage is that this  
peak value could be used by the standalone behavior of tux, like flashing  
the blue leds when you clap in the hands.

We're now working on the sleep and ID stuff in the firmware, that may come  
next together with the improved light measurement.

David

On Thu, 10 May 2007 06:31:38 +0200, Martin Thomas  
<Ma...@ma...> wrote:

> That was my other example!
> Turn off the eye LEDs if the room is dark, play the noises from the
> baby's room (baby monitor) and maybe even record on a calendar the
> level of the baby's activity...
>
> On Thu, 10 May 2007 00:41:55 +0200
> xAD <xa...@xb...> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have the same idea ;-D .. but for monitor my Baby , when it cries i
>> play a soft-song for 'x' minutes.
>>
>> xAD
>>
>> On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 16:36 -0500, ma...@ma... wrote:
>>
>> > Am I imagining this or did there used to be a method in the Python
>> > API to get the sound level from the microphone?
>> >
>> > I want to monitor ambient noise levels and use the feedback to
>> > control the volume before using TTS to make announcements: "There's
>> > a tornado warning for your area!" or "Don't you think it's time to
>> > go to sleep?"
>> >
>> > Cheers // Martin

[tuxdroid-user] Ubuntu party: saturday, la Villette?

[Florent T. <ft...@gm...>]

Hey

You've been quite silent about it, but what about next saturday? :)

Florent

Re: [tuxdroid-user] Imagination?

[Martin T. <Ma...@ma...>]

That was my other example!
Turn off the eye LEDs if the room is dark, play the noises from the
baby's room (baby monitor) and maybe even record on a calendar the
level of the baby's activity...

On Thu, 10 May 2007 00:41:55 +0200
xAD <xa...@xb...> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have the same idea ;-D .. but for monitor my Baby , when it cries i
> play a soft-song for 'x' minutes.
> 
> xAD
> 
> On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 16:36 -0500, ma...@ma... wrote:
> 
> > Am I imagining this or did there used to be a method in the Python
> > API to get the sound level from the microphone?
> > 
> > I want to monitor ambient noise levels and use the feedback to
> > control the volume before using TTS to make announcements: "There's
> > a tornado warning for your area!" or "Don't you think it's time to
> > go to sleep?"
> > 
> > Cheers // Martin
> > 
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Re: [tuxdroid-user] Imagination?

[xAD <xa...@xb...>]

Hi,

I have the same idea ;-D .. but for monitor my Baby , when it cries i
play a soft-song for 'x' minutes.

xAD

On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 16:36 -0500, ma...@ma... wrote:

> Am I imagining this or did there used to be a method in the Python API  
> to get the sound level from the microphone?
> 
> I want to monitor ambient noise levels and use the feedback to control  
> the volume before using TTS to make announcements: "There's a tornado  
> warning for your area!" or "Don't you think it's time to go to sleep?"
> 
> Cheers // Martin
> 
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> Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take
> control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now.
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