[tutoriald-design] Re: TutorialD

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Rick Morris escreveu:
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> I read one of your posts on Slashdot, and found your=20
> sourceforge project on TutorialD. I see that there is really=20

	Good, that was really the ideal about posting at Slashdot, to get some=20
attention to Tutorial D and the sad state of DBMSs.



> nothing happening here, but I hope there are plans for the=20
> future.

	Depends on what you call plans.

	I have no deadlines, and am currently unable to do any useful work.  I=20
have moved from Brazil to Switzerland, and Swiss rules are almost=20
driving me crazy.

	Nevertheless, I intend to resume my studies RSN, and hope to be able to=20
start doing basics like an EBNF syntax, translating it into Lex or=20
Scheme code, etc, in two or three months.



> I speak not as a developer who is capable of programming a=20
> DBMS, but a developer who would love to be able to WORK=20
> with one. I am more familiar with the lightweight programming=20
> languages such as Perl, PHP, etc...

	Same position as me.  I realize I have lots to learn, so I'm making no=20
assumptions about anyone else's current knowledge.



> But, if there is anything I can do to help in the implementation=20
> of a true relational database, I will do what I can. Although I=20
> am not a C programmer, I do have a fairly good knowledge of=20
> the relational model, some mathematical background, and=20
> have been reading as much theory as possible from Date,=20
> Darwen, Pascal, etc... (and I have read every single article at=20
> DBDebunk.com (lol);-)

	Good!  Seems we have somewhat similar backgrounds.

	If you peradventure has more time in your hands than me at the present=20
moment, there are somethings that need be done.  One I already=20
mentioned, the EBNF syntax.  Or at least we could discuss it.  You could=20
subscribe to the list at http://tutoriald.sf.net./ that is now dormant,=20
so that at least our initial discussions aren't lost to posterity!  :-)

	Other thing that I intend to do sooner or later is the GNU paperwork.  I=
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wouldn't like to have the work in the public domain for software=20
hoarders to take, nor would like to be the copyright owner.



> So, I will be happy to help in such secondary tasks as setting=20
> up a website, documentation, assisting in forums, mail, etc...=20
> as well as testing.

	I have already set a SourceForge account.  I have considered moving to=20
http://savannah.gnu.org./, but there are contacts and paperwork to be=20
done.  You could start by either improving http://tutoriald.sf.net./, or=20
moving it to http://savannah.gnu.org./.



> I think there is a growing number of developers who are=20
> dissatisfied with existing SQL implementations, and would=20
> love to see a real relational implementation. See a thread=20

	I hope you are right.  When I participated in comp.database.theory the=20
newsgroup was seriously inundated with SQL help requests and stupid=20
questions from newbies who didn't want to do their reading.  There were=20
no more than two or three people posting sanely, and we were loosing our=20
time in byzantine discussions worse than Slashdot's.  Also, I tried to=20
submit stories to Slashdot about DBDebunk and Alphora Dataphor, to no=20
avail.  All in all I do think awareness is still very low.


> called "Object support in the relational model??" at=20
> comp.database.theory. I mentioned you in my post. I also=20

	Thanks for that!  I hope we can deal with our impending fame!  ;-)


> mentioned the PostgreSQL project. What do you think of the=20
> possibility to involve PostgreSQL developers in such an effort?

	When I was still at my home country I tried to start something involving=
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either PostgreSQL, or GNU SQL Server, or some other free DBMS like Leap,=20
Firebird=E2=80=A6 everyone has more interest in a "good" SQL implementati=
on than=20
in doing things right.  Come to think about that, that's why everyone's=20
coding in C, not Lisp!

	If you read pgsql-devel (I forget the real name of that list) you will=20
see the discussion.  It must have been last year, I think.


> Anyway, I think it is a good time to start a movement for such=20
> things, and I am ready to provide whatever help I can.

	Thanks for your offer, I hope we can make it into the start of something=
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real!


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