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Rick Morris escreveu: >=20 > I read one of your posts on Slashdot, and found your=20 > sourceforge project on TutorialD. I see that there is really=20 Good, that was really the ideal about posting at Slashdot, to get some=20 attention to Tutorial D and the sad state of DBMSs. > nothing happening here, but I hope there are plans for the=20 > future. Depends on what you call plans. I have no deadlines, and am currently unable to do any useful work. I=20 have moved from Brazil to Switzerland, and Swiss rules are almost=20 driving me crazy. Nevertheless, I intend to resume my studies RSN, and hope to be able to=20 start doing basics like an EBNF syntax, translating it into Lex or=20 Scheme code, etc, in two or three months. > I speak not as a developer who is capable of programming a=20 > DBMS, but a developer who would love to be able to WORK=20 > with one. I am more familiar with the lightweight programming=20 > languages such as Perl, PHP, etc... Same position as me. I realize I have lots to learn, so I'm making no=20 assumptions about anyone else's current knowledge. > But, if there is anything I can do to help in the implementation=20 > of a true relational database, I will do what I can. Although I=20 > am not a C programmer, I do have a fairly good knowledge of=20 > the relational model, some mathematical background, and=20 > have been reading as much theory as possible from Date,=20 > Darwen, Pascal, etc... (and I have read every single article at=20 > DBDebunk.com (lol);-) Good! Seems we have somewhat similar backgrounds. If you peradventure has more time in your hands than me at the present=20 moment, there are somethings that need be done. One I already=20 mentioned, the EBNF syntax. Or at least we could discuss it. You could=20 subscribe to the list at http://tutoriald.sf.net./ that is now dormant,=20 so that at least our initial discussions aren't lost to posterity! :-) Other thing that I intend to do sooner or later is the GNU paperwork. I= =20 wouldn't like to have the work in the public domain for software=20 hoarders to take, nor would like to be the copyright owner. > So, I will be happy to help in such secondary tasks as setting=20 > up a website, documentation, assisting in forums, mail, etc...=20 > as well as testing. I have already set a SourceForge account. I have considered moving to=20 http://savannah.gnu.org./, but there are contacts and paperwork to be=20 done. You could start by either improving http://tutoriald.sf.net./, or=20 moving it to http://savannah.gnu.org./. > I think there is a growing number of developers who are=20 > dissatisfied with existing SQL implementations, and would=20 > love to see a real relational implementation. See a thread=20 I hope you are right. When I participated in comp.database.theory the=20 newsgroup was seriously inundated with SQL help requests and stupid=20 questions from newbies who didn't want to do their reading. There were=20 no more than two or three people posting sanely, and we were loosing our=20 time in byzantine discussions worse than Slashdot's. Also, I tried to=20 submit stories to Slashdot about DBDebunk and Alphora Dataphor, to no=20 avail. All in all I do think awareness is still very low. > called "Object support in the relational model??" at=20 > comp.database.theory. I mentioned you in my post. I also=20 Thanks for that! I hope we can deal with our impending fame! ;-) > mentioned the PostgreSQL project. What do you think of the=20 > possibility to involve PostgreSQL developers in such an effort? When I was still at my home country I tried to start something involving= =20 either PostgreSQL, or GNU SQL Server, or some other free DBMS like Leap,=20 Firebird=E2=80=A6 everyone has more interest in a "good" SQL implementati= on than=20 in doing things right. Come to think about that, that's why everyone's=20 coding in C, not Lisp! If you read pgsql-devel (I forget the real name of that list) you will=20 see the discussion. It must have been last year, I think. > Anyway, I think it is a good time to start a movement for such=20 > things, and I am ready to provide whatever help I can. Thanks for your offer, I hope we can make it into the start of something= =20 real! --=20 _ / \ Leandro Guimar=C3=A3es Faria Corsetti Dutra +41 (21) 216 15 93 \ / http://homepage.mac.com./leandrod/ fax +41 (21) 216 19 04 X http://tutoriald.sf.net./ Orange Communications CH / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign against HTML email +41 (21) 216 15 93 |