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From: Liraz S. <li...@tu...> - 2008-10-20 02:05:39
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi everyone, We've decided to host turnkey mailing lists directly rather than depending on sourceforge. Rational: 1) cleaner, faster archives 2) better administrative control 3) easier to branch out and create new mailing lists 4) direct control over infrastructure will allow us to add features in ~ the future (e.g., automatic integration with web forums, integrated ~ search engine, etc.) If you subscribed to the old mailing list, you don't have to do anything. We will automatically subscribe you to the new mailing list and remove your subscription from the old mailing list. The only difference you need to be aware of is that the address of the mailing list has changed FROM tur...@li... TO tur...@li... Cheers, Liraz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBSPvjL23sltOwZ4DZAQLVZQf9EHP7SQzRN2gNZrDV8oF9GrRrn4lnjlev GWfdKT6LJQXPWl6x2JUAj7hSCqIgBi04mqKVP3Teo+pKNnyA2qh8aRUMwaNPazCZ wEt+yhi2dEpd0vkvXfxoKkC765dOzoY1bfyijpBbLq3OoaeX6H6BVz210BAHXS4l nQQ+NRRBqR+iG1072AbHnV8Arktsl+EjUkpdf4A92RWPZ9lHBBg2nAQWgcOLP0WR iAd/brO/irsWf3epl1Pz4rLza4GHJmwK9iMdfcLRO96VIRUQCfgQ593Ghtick1Do CVTD576zqp2oq1gh94Gh2ae/UtJvTP5qVZisW+ipmXO0MqaccehiHQ== =JoyQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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From: Liraz S. <li...@tu...> - 2008-10-20 02:00:38
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Hi everyone,
We've decided to host turnkey mailing lists directly rather than
depending on sourceforge.
Rational:
1) cleaner, faster archives
2) better administrative control
3) easier to branch out and create new mailing lists
4) direct control over infrastructure will allow us to add features in
the future (e.g., automatic integration with web forums, integrated
search engine, etc.)
If you subscribed to the old mailing list, you don't have to do
anything. We will automatically subscribe you to the new mailing list
and remove your subscription from the old mailing list.
The only difference you need to be aware of is that the address of the
mailing list has changed FROM tur...@li...
TO tur...@li...
Cheers,
Liraz
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From: Liraz S. <li...@tu...> - 2008-09-15 18:40:14
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Neil, Just thought you might like to know we've updated the turnkey development wiki based on your suggestions to include information about developing Live CDs and our custom packages: http://turnkey.wik.is/Developing_Live_CDs http://turnkey.wik.is/Custom_packages_in_TurnKey_Linux Your feedback was helpful. Thanks! Cheers, Liraz Neil Wilson wrote: | 2008/9/15 Liraz Siri <li...@tu...>: |> Finally, we publish all of the source code to any custom components we |> create (e.g., di-live) here: |> |> http://code.turnkeylinux.org/ |> |> The binary packages themselves, which are fully compatible with Ubuntu |> hardy, are available at: |> |> http://archive.turnkeylinux.org/ |> | | | And is there a description anywhere of what these custom components | do, and why you need them? | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBSM6r2G3sltOwZ4DZAQId/wf+N/aRCbtclAxpW9aEIQ39Jl2u97RrczZ8 U3dFy8qILaIK+EiEd0Y9D5bWRp1ZyB2U2hhPrMfxr5h3xzWyYvpVeZppPLYcxVAC 8IYGUME9QZJPe/Iv/upo6aMfi0cbqcueoheqZsfcGMojrcCvgvND1kIiYK5YHWQ8 nDDB1Ok07pXW2GVIK3gGPWe8oG/mJMu0w/cCd29ymXK8vh2wlpqtM6wZl0mN5JJA Va/m9DGocT5JzRqST4BMyLKSmFqOVyMwCgZ5dYuPVFkURQZ2+Ab34e/7sOIQAB/y X0O0QVQ1z2IJTZbGy68dQyp1uHNpuPsSdDLbRy4WFlMnjHZcRfHpRg== =moAA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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From: Liraz S. <li...@tu...> - 2008-09-15 14:12:10
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Neil Wilson wrote: | And is there a description anywhere of what these custom components | do, and why you need them? | Sort of, though documentation is always something that can be improved. Any package that isn't taken straight from Ubuntu's repositories can be found at our mini-repository at archive.turnkeylinux.org, and the corresponding source can be found at code.turnkeylinux.org. New packages have READMEs in them. For example: http://code.turnkeylinux.org/di-live/docs/README Modified packages, of which there are currently only three (casper, busybox-initramfs and turnkey-keyring) are also labeled in the package management system (e.g., casper is versioned 1.131-turnkey+15+g0374506). We had to modify casper because Ubuntu's casper hardwires various behaviors that don't need to happen in a server Live CD type scenario (e.g., X configuration) Ubuntu's developers did that because currently only Ubuntu runs the desktop versions (Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu) "live". Ubuntu server can't run live and doesn't use casper, but TurnKey Linux appliances are mostly built for server tasks so we had to change that. The patches to busybox-initramfs change the built busybox configuration slightly to better serve TurnKey's different usage scenario (compared to Ubuntu). There are a couple of new packages in the appliances as well: we packages Joomla because nobody else would touch it due to frequent security issues and we wrote di-live as glue code that would allow debian-installer to run from a live CD usage scenario without a GUI (which Ubiquity needs). This kind of information is something I think might be good to add to the development wiki http://turnkey.wik.is/, maybe others are interested in it as well. If you have other ideas, we'd love to hear about them. Cheers, Liarz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBSM5tA23sltOwZ4DZAQKjIgf9FDFB5Y1U5i4PhkQD3izs+uN1IBmZItLd 727ZX3FUpCOXGLiT1dEubWntbNTNHgRtTJ9B+hDKE5lkV1eySgCh09c6gO+evm9s KAsqrTZ+2+3loQ8K74e5kaxE1mk3Vo0UGjlsR0mtlqGDQ04eqWU4d/8gwUpsUzCJ IYVBxtReJFLoXYdQjHbFOF9nWZeBWiW5ZGBIZBVBq6mrcm0a2OK54JGh3ct93W+X 0uguLhXVp/hn/cRIugN0qNgaHwZ3Z+T+i+J0XNzFm1rc0JRpE3Xe7/Vmotf6a50o MrgaCbMYSusPgdtWvsw9qVsxxhg3EF/L45S0ka/7zdZkT+9gn+jAew== =YKN3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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From: Liraz S. <li...@tu...> - 2008-09-15 13:21:57
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Good news everybody! The Ubuntu news team is helping us spread the word about TurnKey Linux and has featured us in the most recent edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter (issue #108): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue108 Cheers, Liraz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBSM5Spm3sltOwZ4DZAQLulQf/a2eo93NWgfLy+MYZz9irw6D6kxFMRHCu 5ocMnM0pWvq8vnKQUlcFyvpsEZdz0wcDXuRmw8iZiVo2RfNagFwiAQXu5T0p41f2 n0GAGXfOfo/FAMITOUCazvjrkHyFXnJ9M6wD7peCa7y4km9LqtILJmNn9Jw9tYUm d0vca+KH3BvoGHo3OVzBELx2jqeLhFs7GkiZDvncQH5cLHMow2ny0o9mS3y3SlHv hs1sFqJGJJP8eS8erFOnVRyadkzxSb6KmMKyniNWB/Bf1FtFyhrwpW203zwUxiV4 HmEW/hYavQA8FlB5HnOswveykP5fw57Nbcw6FYSNlW9gaTTddU6gsw== =xcVK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Neil Wilson wrote: | Any particular reason you don't want to publish the process to create | TurnKey CDs? It seems to me that that would be the best way to get | community involvement. Thanks for the feedback! The development process for creating a Live CD from scratch is a bit complicated and that can raise the bar for involvement quite high. There is nothing secret about it though, it is pretty well documented: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch And If you're looking for a more automated approach: http://www.gnewsense.org/Builder/HowToCreateYourOwnGNULinuxDistribution Most users will find it easier to get involved via testing, bug reporting, and participating in discussions on the forums and mailing list. We recognize that not everyone is a technical expert with a lot of free time on their hands and that besides development there are many other ways to make a valuable contribution to an opensource project, so that's what we're encouraging. BTW, hacking an existing appliance is much easier than building one from scratch and there are many tools available to help you do that that should be fully compatible with TurnKey Linux (e.g., UCK, remastersys). To lower the bar further, we'll also working on an easy customization mechanism: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/turnkeylinux/+spec/easy-customization Finally, we publish all of the source code to any custom components we create (e.g., di-live) here: http://code.turnkeylinux.org/ The binary packages themselves, which are fully compatible with Ubuntu hardy, are available at: http://archive.turnkeylinux.org/ I hope this helps. Cheers, Liraz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBSM5ZpG3sltOwZ4DZAQIxYwf8DTdop6u+dbi64cLMoqBWmAptmN5PtI9+ 9GgYylVShrcX+KWSoEYSsQCJpNXQ4fAvjDE831TdaVXpUpvLRXJjbb7yXzac4UAl 2nfhQFL6bNg2tY5J59YcN+d7y5Oy6OuBR74RW46HmKw8U9w9wHSAuPuLAansBHaH 0YiSRn/8Ct+Antq0/jDG6narCdFO/02KPjdr+66PNCZNpY7bPY795leeNM0TspbW 77K4xMzbuVG8v8IxMLE1Ef8CtTPm805sZrWjQMU/pDsgSad5dMoTIGrCC5G/8MYe VP0VRkO0Juoj9YJHO9CKpzoV9wuYHSx9JFzdZ/Gwi52HYM5NVaOTvA== =vG9X -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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From: Liraz S. <li...@tu...> - 2008-09-15 12:26:09
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Daniel Holm wrote: | Thank you so much! I will subscribe to the mailing list and the RSS (I | love RSS). | | I also will look over what I can help with. For the moment, most of | the contributes I make is translating. Great to have you on board Daniel! :) Cheers, Liraz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBSM5Tqm3sltOwZ4DZAQJIHQf/ZxhiiPhBiUbYXVZAQXtJ+8ALO/1xPIwf 3VlphrwRQUKrTxoieJ38jA0DLz67DpE7MsseREEWTLZr1is/GDtJHwc15yoVZ043 zWTl73DqvigG1rdkfdFDCWWOU854iaIQyl4Eph65MhpBMtXchWrs9CIhzBX9CxcS loklT3mURdO6M8MgmLSGtkn/Mwiusy4GJvnedy43u+CvxeUNCNysqiOYmyPeKIJR fZof+S8Mx8uKosO71N/fZg8PMIwx6fu3Stf4bGfajTQKFAjMetdfYDmPqB/Vza5b 37FYYID73a3cx6Z8AjwdV4Iq3CaoU99tsre2lzAXRkpTcG8qDPHgpQ== =bu2F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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From: Liraz S. <li...@tu...> - 2008-09-15 11:57:03
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Onno Benschop wrote: | Wow, | | Everything old is new again. Here is a link to an article[1] I wrote in | November 2003 which describes some of what you describe and combines | nicely with TurnKey :) | | * http://itmaze.com.au/articles/cio/ | Wow indeed, I think using Live CDs to transparently migrate Microsoft File and Print sharing servers off to Linux/Samba is a terrific idea. Implementing this would require a bit of R&D work though. For example, how do you read all of the configuration settings from the Microsoft server and migrate them to Samba? I imagine you would need some software for that. Could this be made compatible enough with the old Microsoft server so that IT staff wouldn't have to run around reconfiguring anything or diagnosing various things that have suddenly broken? There is very little here that is special to a system running from a Live CD. The development approach that would probably work best is to set up a regular Ubuntu system in a VM on one hard drive, with Microsoft File and Print Server installed on another virtual hard drive. Then hammer the issues out until you get to the point where you the capability to read all the necessary configuration settings, and convert them into the equivalent Samba configuration settings. NTFS-3g driver could be used to access the original hard drives read/write so that you could re-use the existing filesystems and wouldn't have to migrate your data to a new partition. We have quite a bit on our plate right now as it is (with work and TurnKey), but if a community effort could get to the point where they can accomplish the transparent migration in a VM, and they publish the details, we will be delighted to do the extra work of turning that into a TurnKey Live CD appliance. Cheers, Liraz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBSM5NVG3sltOwZ4DZAQIiKgf+P7pHjkrxK1Do0vqYul15mMVjJivmMOLv 7nkqt91LauG9JPWXZezlCIw4l3HnI0g/MXKePb5VLlJ9Fjts7eqeNRelithHs4Dg 8JrF6Z+u7toBmjxD2wWcfbz8robWMB9gLXC6GpjTX3NHAmcg/bQmGiy73pr2HkZ4 bLDvEBW2xzq+tX5x6gzuM3cg4L2K9Ip0etE5bueok//kwdidWdRpT0RSs05hkSco P3so33T70JgtRSN6NU7L1XpIIBF45WyHVkw0PizI62W3pC3O8tN92SdtcPWCdYHS TSBHZJpgmyLm9rTLflSnq47hLPypJjMSPFO42+C47D3u7Ko0MLClXw== =MkX9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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From: Liraz S. <li...@tu...> - 2008-09-14 16:03:06
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Daniel Holm wrote: > This is just awsome! Exactly what I've been lookin for. Thanks! You're welcome! We're currently developing a whole range of improvements to the current appliances (e.g., web interface, configuration console) and once we work out the kinks we plan on releasing quite a few more appliances (based on feedback from the community). If you want to receive updates, I recommend you subscribe to the mailing list and/or our web site's RSS news feed. Also, there are many ways to contribute if you want to help us move things along faster: http://www.turnkeylinux.org/community Cheers, Liarz |
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From: Liraz S. <li...@tu...> - 2008-09-14 15:05:20
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I am one of the developers behind TurnKey Linux, a new opensource project that builds installable, Ubuntu based Live CD appliances that serve specific roles: http://www.turnkeylinux.org/ We needed to be able to install TurnKey Linux systems from a Live CD type usage scenario (like Ubiquity), but without requiring an X/GUI interface. This was the impetus for the development of di-live, which glues together, in Python, various bits and pieces of the debian-installer. For further reference: https://launchpad.net/di-live http://code.turnkeylinux.org/di-live http://code.turnkeylinux.org/di-live/docs/README In the future, perhaps it would be a good idea to try and merge di-live with Ubiquity. This would give Ubiquity the flexibility to run from console without requiring a full blown GUI. Cheers, Liraz |
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From: Liraz S. <li...@tu...> - 2008-09-14 14:58:31
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(forgot to CC this message to turnkeylinux-users) Scott Kitterman wrote: > Along these lines, I've been interested in integrating not only packages, but > specific configurations for specific purposes. Somewhat along the lines of > what you are doing, I wrote: > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerFlavorSpec Bending DI and FAI to integrate complete systems is probably possible but the devil is really in the details and this seems to be quite a complex approach. From our experience the development process for pre-integrated purpose-specific systems can be quite complex as it is and (depending on your approach) may require a non-trivial investment in infrastructure (e.g., Canonical's infrastructure). Unfortunately, Canonical has enough on their plate without taking on the development of a whole family of Ubuntu-based appliances. If you have ideas for custom Ubuntu "flavors" (what we call appliances) you would like to see implemented in the near future, we would love for you to piggyback on our efforts and help nudge TurnKey Linux in the direction you are interested in! Experiment with Ubuntu, describe the appliance you would like to see built in enough detail (e.g., packages, configuration tweaks), we'll build it, sourceforge will host it, the community will test it, rinse, lather, repeat. The more people get involved the sooner we can have a whole bunch of opensource appliances to fill every nook and cranny. Cheers, Liraz |
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From: Liraz S. <li...@tu...> - 2008-09-14 13:23:00
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Soren Hansen wrote:
> I'm not sure I understand this.. Is it a live cd or is it installable?
> If both, how is this achieved? Do you choose at boot whether you want to
> run a live cd or to install, or do you have a new mechanism for
> installing from a live system running from a live cd (since I presume
> ubiquity won't work from a console)?
It's actually both.
1) There is a a new installation mechanism involved (di-live) which we
wrote since Ubiquity doesn't (yet) run from the console in a live CD
type usage scenario.
2) There is a boot option ("install to hard disk") that will take you to
the installer first thing after the live system boots.
http://www.turnkeylinux.org/docs/screenshots
If you run the system "live", then di-live doesn't run by default but
you can invoke it manually (I.e., /usr/bin/di-live).
Our next batch of releases will include a curses configuration console
that will run by default and give you the option to invoke the installer
even if you boot into live mode, but its really just a matter of
providing a convenient user interface. Behind the scenes di-live, unlike
debian-installer (which runs in initramfs), always runs from a live
system.
di-live is mostly based on debian-installer with a bit of glue code
written in Python. You can find the source code here:
http://code.turnkeylinux.org/di-live/
Cheers,
Liraz
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From: Liraz S. <li...@tu...> - 2008-09-14 12:22:58
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S'orlok Reaves wrote: > > Interesting stuff --I like the "Live CD with ____" > approach to distribution. Thanks, once we work out the kinks with our current crop of beta appliances we're going to open the flood gates and you can expect to see a whole lot more of these appliances for every major opensource application and then some. For those interested in following up on the project, I recommend subscribing to the turnkeylinux-users mailing list and/or our website RSS news feed. > I am wondering... why do you call them "appliances". > For the longest time, I thought Turnkey Linux was > meant to install Linux on your toaster, microwave, > etc. Why not "backend", "application", "framework", or > something like that? Is "appliance" a buzzword in the > open source community that I'm unaware of? Sorry if the terminology confused you. "Appliance" is short for "software appliance", which is a fairly well known buzzword: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_appliance We omitted the "software" from the name because it's redundant when you are talking about Live CDs. BTW, I think a software appliance is called an appliance for the same reason a toaster or microwave is called an appliance. Its not a general purpose tool, but rather something that serves only one specific role. Cheers, Liraz |
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From: Liraz S. <li...@tu...> - 2008-09-13 10:34:49
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Hi Alan, > I think you have a nice idea here... Thanks! > I'm not sure how Canonical will feel about the look of your website - it > does look "very similar" to Ubuntu's... Canonical published the theme for the official Ubuntu website and we used that. The theme is also used on other Ubuntu related sites (I think that was the point). Just to be on the safe side we also contacted a couple of Canonical employees (Jono Bacon and Daniel Holbach) who are liaisons to the community to give them a heads up before we launched. > One question that immediately springs to mind is how do you plan to > finance your project? Right now thats not an issue. Thanks to resources like sourceforge and Launchpad opensource projects don't really have to worry that much about financing for their supporting infrastructure (e.g., otherwise paying for the bandwidth for the downloads could be an issue) It also helps that our employer has an enlightened attitude regarding opensource (you can't just take, you have to give back too!) > From my own perspective, I'd love to see a couple of other appliances > added to your portfolio: > > * Asterisk > * A Tomcat platform with optional installs of Alfresco (Ubuntu will be > adding this to their repo soon) and or the Cosmo Calendar sever and/or > the Zimbra server (although I am not sure about the license terms for > Zimbra so this one might not be possible). > * Also, how about a development server appliance? (SVN, Git, Bzr...) Great ideas! After we work out the kinks with our current beta appliances (see our project blueprints for details), we'll probably do all of them. Anything that has an opensource license is fair game. If your interested in receiving updated I recommend you subscribe to our mailing list and/or RSS news feed. Cheers, Liraz |
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From: Liraz S. <li...@tu...> - 2008-09-13 09:53:03
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Hi Corey,
Thank you for taking the time to look at our project. I appreciate your
concerns and would like to attempt to address the points you raise.
1) Regarding the security integrity of TurnKey appliances...
(From our FAQ on the website...)
Why should I trust the security integrity of a TurnKey appliance?
In a nutshell: trust, but verify.
The long version: since TurnKey appliances are built almost entirely
from unmodified Ubuntu binaries, it is possible for anyone who wants
to keep us honest to verify the integrity of the binaries that make
up our appliances against the original package signatures from the
official Ubuntu repositories.
There are minor exceptions. When required, an appliance may contain a
few modified or new packages. All such packages are appropriately
labelled in the package management system, and full source code is
available on Launchpad and/or http://code.turnkeylinux.org/
In other words, users should be able to trust a TurnKey appliance as
much as they trust a normal general-purpose installation of Ubuntu.
2) Regarding the website template
I thought the reason the Ubuntu Drupal theme templates were released
in the first place was so they could be used by Ubuntu sister
projects (e.g., loco teams).
We're promoting Ubuntu too, just not in a geographical sense.
We intentionally monkeyed the online tools and stylings of the Ubuntu
community because we view ourselves as an extension of the Ubuntu
community and wanted to avoid reinventing the wheel.
I don't think we went as as far as trying to mislead anyone regarding
any official affiliation with Canonical/Ubuntu.
Just to be on the safe side we did our best to contact the an
official Ubuntu/Canonical representitive (Jono Bacon and Daniel
Holbach) to give them a heads up a couple of weeks before we launched
and asked them for feedback. We also asked about partnership programs
for opensource projects. Jono couldn't reply because he was on
vacation, but Daniel Holbach pretty much gave us his blessing and
offered to help us collaborate with Ubuntu developers and merge any
changes we made back into mainline Ubuntu.
3) Collaboration with the server team
That would certainly be an interesting option to explore in the
future, assuming non-Canonical developers could be given unfettered
access to the relevant Ubuntu infrastructure and tools required to
develop Ubuntu derivatives. Besides our project there are a few other
projects (e.g., gNewSense, MythBuntu) that might benefit.
On the other hand, developing by proxy through the server team
probably wouldn't be very practical. On their side it would
significantly add to their workload and on our side it would slow
down the development cycle dramatically.
Cheers,
Liraz
Corey Burger wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Liraz Siri <li...@tu...> wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> First, let me introduce myself. My name is Liraz Siri and I am one of
>> the developers behind TurnKey Linux, a new opensource project that
>> builds Ubuntu based Live CD appliances to serve specific niche roles.
>>
>> We've recently released public betas of our first three Live CD
>> appliances (TurnKey Drupal, TurnKey joomla and TurnKey LAMP).
>>
>> [ .. snip .. ]
>>
>> What do you think?
>
> I love the idea of applicances. What scares me with them is the
> security issue. You seem to have neatly solved that problem by basing
> your appliances on an actual distro, not some home-brewed stuff.
>
> However, I would be careful with your website, as Alan points out,
> uses the official template (or a close facimile of). Also, you host
> iso files on sf.net without any coressponding source. The easiest way
> to solve both these problems is to help the server team and make your
> appliances with them.
>
> Corey
>
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From: Corey B. <cor...@gm...> - 2008-09-13 08:45:53
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On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Liraz Siri <li...@tu...> wrote: > Hi guys, > > First, let me introduce myself. My name is Liraz Siri and I am one of > the developers behind TurnKey Linux, a new opensource project that > builds Ubuntu based Live CD appliances to serve specific niche roles. > > We've recently released public betas of our first three Live CD > appliances (TurnKey Drupal, TurnKey joomla and TurnKey LAMP). > > As described on our website: http://www.turnkeylinux.org/ > > * Based on Ubuntu 8.04.1 (hardy LTS). > * Minimal footprint (typically around 150MB) - each appliance is > carefully built from the ground up with the minimum components needed > to serve its role with maximum efficiency and security. > * Packaged as an installable Live CD (I.e., bootable ISO) that can run > on real hardware in addition to most types of virtual machines. > > TurnKey Linux has the potential to bring Ubuntu to a wider audience by > optimizing it to better serve specific jobs with minimum hassle. > > Basically we are aiming to become a specialized extension of the Ubuntu > community, in much the same way the Ubuntu community has become a > specialized extension of Debian, which is why I am writing to you guys > at the Ubuntu community marketing list. > > I am interested in receiving feedback on our project and to get your > ideas on ways in which we could collaborate with the Ubuntu community to > spread the word, get people involved in our sub project, and basically > jumpstart a real community effort. > > Note that TurnKey Linux is not officially sanctioned by Canonical. We're > an independent opensource project that is trying to take Ubuntu in > some new directions. > > What do you think? I love the idea of applicances. What scares me with them is the security issue. You seem to have neatly solved that problem by basing your appliances on an actual distro, not some home-brewed stuff. However, I would be careful with your website, as Alan points out, uses the official template (or a close facimile of). Also, you host iso files on sf.net without any coressponding source. The easiest way to solve both these problems is to help the server team and make your appliances with them. Corey |
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From: Liraz S. <li...@tu...> - 2008-09-13 06:27:23
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Hi Bill, Integrating a web interface into Turnkey appliances is a high priority for us. You can take a look (and contribute if you like) to our development blueprints on Launchpad: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/turnkeylinux The leading candidates are in fact webmin (which we use at work) and eBox, which we have been hearing some good things about. We would absolutely love for you to write about your experience with Turnkey, especially if you ran into issues (maybe those should be filed as bugs?). We don't really know what tools people would prefer to use for community collaboration we pretty much have them all at this point (though that may change once we figure out what works best): a mailing list, web forums, community edited documentation, a development wiki, questions and answers database, bug report system. All of these tools are on our website. Feel free to use any tool you find most convenient to document things you think other users (perhaps less knowledgable) would find useful: the issues you ran into + workarounds, how you installed various add-on applications, etc. If you run into problems with the community tools themselves, we're also interested in feedback about that too! Anyhow, the important thing I think is the content itself. You write it and we'll eventually find the best home for it (though I bet the community edited docs might be it). Thanks for pitching in! Cheers, Liraz Bill wrote: > Hi, > I'm Toms neighbor. I've loaded the LAMP version and have added Webmin > just because I'm a GUI type of person. Also have installed Wordpress. > Had a couple of minor issues but solved them. Need me to write something > up for you? Would suggest you include Webmin as I feel it is the easy > way to manage a Linux server. > > Bill > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Fwd: TurnKey support questions > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:38:45 -0400 > From: Tom A <air...@em...> > To: Bill Bunge <bb...@pa...> > > > > Here is forward from the developer > > >> X-BINDING: md35.embarq.synacor.com >> X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined >> X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6ezbr9EC7tvGfOl1cWkx8g==:17 >> a=xNf9USuDAAAA:8 a=vHkEUO5oMXaLdXgPJXIA:9 a=OOxSaa5hGGwd9IwXC_0A:7 >> a=YJNLM09zMKhT27qs2xEzKqUikPUA:4 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 >> X-CM-Score: 0 >> X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine >> Authentication-Results: spam05.embarq.synacor.com >> smtp.mail=li...@tu...; spf=neutral >> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:07:39 +0300 >> From: Liraz Siri <li...@tu...> >> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080227) >> To: olddirt <air...@em...> >> CC: Alon Swartz <al...@tu...> >> Subject: TurnKey support questions >> X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.169 [270.6.20/1666] >> >> Hi! >> >> Thanks for using TurnKey Linux! >> >> I'm one of the developers for turnkey linux. We're having a technical >> problem with the forums so I'm replying to you by mail instead. >> >> We'll be looking into the Joomla extension problem you mentioned soon, >> thanks for reporting it! >> >> Regarding setting the static IP, we are currently working on a >> configuration console to be included in the next release which will let >> you configure the network without having to log in and mess around with >> the command line. >> >> In the meantime, you can log in with the default root password and >> configure you IP the old fashioned way: >> >> joomla login: root >> password: turnkey >> >> # ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.10 netmask 255.255.255.0 up >> >> This sets the IP until reboot. If you want the IP configuration to be >> persistent, edit /etc/network/interfaces like this: >> >> # editor /etc/network/interfaces >> >> auto eth0 >> iface eth0 inet static >> address 192.168.0.10 >> netmask 255.255.255.0 >> >> For further details... >> >> # man interfaces >> >> And here's everything you ever wanted to know about network >> configuration on Debian/Ubuntu but were afraid to ask: >> >> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html >> >> Cheers, >> Liraz >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/> >> Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.20/1666 - Release Date: >> 9/11/2008 7:03 AM > > You're getting old when there's no question in your mind that there's no > question in your mind. > |
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From: Liraz S. <li...@tu...> - 2008-09-12 15:15:49
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Hi guys, First, let me introduce myself. My name is Liraz Siri and I am one of the developers behind TurnKey Linux, a new opensource project that builds Ubuntu based Live CD appliances to serve specific niche roles. We've recently released public betas of our first three Live CD appliances (TurnKey Drupal, TurnKey joomla and TurnKey LAMP). As described on our website: http://www.turnkeylinux.org/ * Based on Ubuntu 8.04.1 (hardy LTS). * Minimal footprint (typically around 150MB) - each appliance is carefully built from the ground up with the minimum components needed to serve its role with maximum efficiency and security. * Packaged as an installable Live CD (I.e., bootable ISO) that can run on real hardware in addition to most types of virtual machines. TurnKey Linux has the potential to bring Ubuntu to a wider audience by optimizing it to better serve specific jobs with minimum hassle. Basically we are aiming to become a specialized extension of the Ubuntu community, in much the same way the Ubuntu community has become a specialized extension of Debian, which is why I am writing to you guys at the Ubuntu community marketing list. I am interested in receiving feedback on our project and to get your ideas on ways in which we could collaborate with the Ubuntu community to spread the word, get people involved in our sub project, and basically jumpstart a real community effort. Note that TurnKey Linux is not officially sanctioned by Canonical. We're an independent opensource project that is trying to take Ubuntu in some new directions. What do you think? Cheers, Liraz |
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From: Liraz S. <li...@tu...> - 2008-09-08 16:49:17
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Or so they say. After a busy couple of weeks we are hopefully ready to launch and see if that really works. As a first step, we are releasing just a handful of proof of concept beta appliances which will be gradually improved and expanded as we receive more ideas, feedback and support from the community (that means you!). We believe opensource projects live and die by the community that builds around to support them, so naturally we would like to strongly encourage the community's involvement as much as possible. Rather than trying to reinvent the wheel (poorly), we've decided to go ahead and shamelessly monkey the online tools and stylings of the Ubuntu community. Secretly we're hoping our community will eventually grow into a specialized extension of the Ubuntu community, just as the Ubuntu community has grown into a specialized extension of the Debian community. Keep in mind, the project infrastructure is all spanking brand new at this point, so there may well be a few kinks to work out (e.g., with the website, beta appliances, community tools). Be patient, if you come across any bugs or issues please let us know! Cheers, Liraz |
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