Re: [Treebase-devel] ABI proposal for phyloinformatics

[Hilmar L. <hl...@ne...>]

Yes, I was going to suggest the same. -hilmar

On Jun 9, 2011, at 2:01 PM, Karen Cranston wrote:

> Tomorrow morning at 11 am EST is a winner so far. It would be good to
> talk before the weekend, so I am going to tentatively schedule that
> block unless I hear otherwise. Connection information will be in the
> Google Doc - please ask if you need access.
>
> Talk to you tomorrow,
> Karen
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Karen Cranston
> <kar...@ne...> wrote:
>> Hilmar and I talked to Anne Maglia from NSF this morning. The notes
>> are on the "Pitches for TreeBASE_ABI" document (which is now editable
>> by anyone with the link, BTW). She did not see any major issues and
>> had plenty of advise on how to avoid common pitfalls when writing for
>> the ABI panel.
>>
>> Summary:
>> 1. Making the MIAPA component into a separate Innovation proposal is
>> probably a good idea.
>> 2. The TreeBASE / ToLWeb piece is well-suited for a Development
>> proposal, and we can discuss MIAPA in this proposal as long as we  
>> have
>> a concrete contingency plan for the possibility that this gets funded
>> and the MIAPA proposal does not.
>> 3. There is no general rule about incremental improvement vs major
>> re-engineering, but the goals of the proposal must be novel in some
>> way and have intellectual merit. A re-engineering proposal could be
>> computationally novel, while a proposal with only incremental
>> improvements must instead have novel interface components or strong
>> biological motivations.
>> 4. There seems to be an empty niche for proposals that include novel
>> front-end as well as back-end development, but we need to make sure  
>> we
>> have the appropriate expertise for the former.
>> 5. She suggests sharing the draft with someone from BIO (perhaps
>> Maureen Kearney) to get the user community perspective
>>
>> Please fill out the doodle poll so that we can plan the next course  
>> of action!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Karen
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Hilmar Lapp <hl...@ne...>  
>> wrote:
>>> It looks like a response from NSF is still pending. There is not a  
>>> lot of
>>> time left until the submission deadline, and I'll be out of  
>>> commission for
>>> at least 7 days during that time starting Wed next week. So I  
>>> suggest we
>>> start planning and get together independently of the NSF response  
>>> to hash
>>> out over a conference call possible contributions and commitments.  
>>> Here's a
>>> Doodle poll for scheduling.
>>>
>>> http://www.doodle.com/8zvwbidtxm9gzxcp
>>>
>>> To make sure that we can have a relatively targeted discussion, my
>>> suggestion would be that everyone who is willing to play a role in  
>>> this
>>> proposal enter their availability, and come prepared for the  
>>> following
>>> questions:
>>>
>>> 1. What aims would a proposal need to have to for you to commit to  
>>> be part
>>> of it, and conversely, what aims should it not have. (Ideally, the  
>>> aims
>>> would be from either pitch A or pitch B that Karen sent to NSF for
>>> feedback.)
>>>
>>> 2. What aims, expertise, and partners are we missing from the  
>>> group. Do you
>>> have suggestions for how to pull those in.
>>>
>>> 3. What role are you interested in playing, for which aim(s). What  
>>> kind and
>>> how many resources do you anticipate requiring support for to  
>>> accomplish
>>> those aims.
>>>
>>> At the end of this, ideally we have a concrete sense for whether  
>>> there are
>>> 0, 1, or 2 proposals that are viably going to come together, what  
>>> size of
>>> proposal(s) we are talking about, who would take responsibility  
>>> for what,
>>> and who else we need to reach out to.
>>>
>>> Comments / suggestions / additional items for the enumeration  
>>> above welcome.
>>>
>>>        -hilmar
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> nescent.org
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