From: Raj <sou...@ra...> - 2004-09-14 02:17:27
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Okay, so I finally got tired of the triggers not working on 1.3.14 and having to walk over to my colleagues winblows machine to edit my triggers in benthic. A whole day later, here's the fix, mostly got out of diff'ing the 1.3.13 and 1.3.14 source. I am not a qt programmer, so if you find my fix funny, don't tell me, give me a better fix! Anyhow, here's the diff in tobrowser.cpp: # diff working/tobrowser.cpp orig/tobrowser.cpp 1458d1457 < connect(curr,SIGNAL(currentChanged(QWidget *)),this,SLOT(changeSecondTab(QWidget *))); I also think I have finally got the crashing under control. My solution was to install oracle 8.1.7, compile against that, and use the 8.1.7 client. Ugh. But if you look carefully, the INSTALL instructions do say that its not supported on anything but. Now that the fix is in place, I do want to express my thanks to Mauritz for this wonderful program, if it wasn't for TOra, I would still be stuck to my windoze desktop at work, instead of Linux. My migration to linux is complete! TOra rocks!! cheers! --Raj. |
From: Raj <sou...@ra...> - 2004-09-14 02:24:52
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I also posted a fix to the blank invalid objects browser, here's that fix as well: # diff toinvalid.cpp toinvalid.cpp.orig 131c131 < Objects->setSelectionMode(QListView::Single); --- > Objects->setSelectionMode(QListView::Extended); (this changes it back to what was in there in 1.3.13, which worked.) No idea what the difference means, but perhaps someone who knows more than me can take this and see how it makes a difference. I'm just happy it works now. cheers! --Raj On Mon, 2004-09-13 at 22:17, Raj wrote: > Okay, so I finally got tired of the triggers not working on 1.3.14 and > having to walk over to my colleagues winblows machine to edit my > triggers in benthic. A whole day later, here's the fix, mostly got out > of diff'ing the 1.3.13 and 1.3.14 source. I am not a qt programmer, so > if you find my fix funny, don't tell me, give me a better fix! > Anyhow, here's the diff in tobrowser.cpp: > > # diff working/tobrowser.cpp orig/tobrowser.cpp > > 1458d1457 > < connect(curr,SIGNAL(currentChanged(QWidget *)),this,SLOT(changeSecondTab(QWidget *))); > > I also think I have finally got the crashing under control. My solution > was to install oracle 8.1.7, compile against that, and use the 8.1.7 > client. Ugh. But if you look carefully, the INSTALL instructions do > say that its not supported on anything but. > > Now that the fix is in place, I do want to express my thanks to Mauritz > for this wonderful program, if it wasn't for TOra, I would still be > stuck to my windoze desktop at work, instead of Linux. My migration to > linux is complete! TOra rocks!! > > cheers! > --Raj. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: YOU BE THE JUDGE. Be one of 170 > Project Admins to receive an Apple iPod Mini FREE for your judgement on > who ports your project to Linux PPC the best. Sponsored by IBM. > Deadline: Sept. 13. Go here: http://sf.net/ppc_contest.php > _______________________________________________ > Tora-develop mailing list > Tor...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tora-develop |
From: Don S. <do...@se...> - 2004-10-25 15:13:00
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What is the status of TOra? I haven't seen ANY activity recently, and that trigger/code viewing bug still plagues windows users. Just last week I had to tell my boss to re-up our TOAD licenses because I can't vouch for TOra anymore. The problem for me is that TOAD doesn't even work on linux AFAIK. Henrik are you planning to let go of TOra? Is anyone interested in picking up the torch and maybe forking? I briefly toyed with the idea of writing a gtk+ version of tora that would then be freely cross-platform. That would also require I learn seriously better gtk+ and C coding than my irrelevant gaim modules/patches have taught me. There is also a java/swing possiblity. jDBA is one app but that hasn't made a release in 3 years. Perhaps we could pick up that torch or start over. Anyway I'd like to hear what others think on the state of TOra and if anyone is interested in moving on. --=20 Don Seiler do...@se... Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=3Dget&search=3D0xFC87F041 Fingerprint: 0B56 50D5 E91E 4D4C 83B7 207C 76AC 5DA2 FC87 F041 |
From: Raj <sou...@ra...> - 2004-10-25 15:53:50
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Don, I have been fixing bugs as and when I can find the time to do so. I do have a vested interest in TOra since its the one tool I use at work all the time and I really do not want to go back to windows if I can help it. (I run linux on my desktop). I have been posting bug-fixes as and when I get the time to debug TOra. There are still a few obscure bugs that I have found but they're too minor to fix right now, I'll get to them eventually I'm sure when they start bothering me. I'm also interested in extending it, there's some functionality thats missing that I would love to see. There are a quite a few people in my circle using TOra and we're thinking of making it the tool of choice at work, so yes, there's potential. Having said that however, I would like to clarify that I'm not a c/c++/gtk+ programmer, just a lowly DBA. I have been getting familiar with TOra just from the point of debugging it so I can get it to do what I want. It'll take a bit of effort for me to pick it up, unless there are some good C++/Qt people out there willing to pitch in. I wouldn't be too keen on switching the platform/language since the basic framework is already there and working good, I'd rather extend on what is already there than start from scratch.. I'd really love to hear from Henrik what his official stand on TOra is.. I have seen some of the competing (?) products coming out from Quest that look like they're based on TOra and it seems most of his attention would be focussed there. Would there be a conflict of interest for him to keep TOra going? Should we really fork it here? Henrik? --Raj On Mon, 2004-10-25 at 11:13, Don Seiler wrote: > What is the status of TOra? I haven't seen ANY activity recently, and > that trigger/code viewing bug still plagues windows users. Just last > week I had to tell my boss to re-up our TOAD licenses because I can't > vouch for TOra anymore. The problem for me is that TOAD doesn't even > work on linux AFAIK. > > Henrik are you planning to let go of TOra? Is anyone interested in > picking up the torch and maybe forking? I briefly toyed with the idea > of writing a gtk+ version of tora that would then be freely > cross-platform. That would also require I learn seriously better gtk+ > and C coding than my irrelevant gaim modules/patches have taught me. > > There is also a java/swing possiblity. jDBA is one app but that hasn't > made a release in 3 years. Perhaps we could pick up that torch or start > over. > > Anyway I'd like to hear what others think on the state of TOra and if > anyone is interested in moving on. |
From: Selcuk O. <so...@fd...> - 2004-11-03 19:21:32
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If Henrik is letting go of TOra, I'd like to help in improving it further. Time is a little scarce for me these days but, I like this program and would hate to see it to go to waste. Selcuk Don Seiler wrote: > What is the status of TOra? I haven't seen ANY activity recently, and > that trigger/code viewing bug still plagues windows users. Just last > week I had to tell my boss to re-up our TOAD licenses because I can't > vouch for TOra anymore. The problem for me is that TOAD doesn't even > work on linux AFAIK. > > Henrik are you planning to let go of TOra? Is anyone interested in > picking up the torch and maybe forking? I briefly toyed with the idea > of writing a gtk+ version of tora that would then be freely > cross-platform. That would also require I learn seriously better gtk+ > and C coding than my irrelevant gaim modules/patches have taught me. > > There is also a java/swing possiblity. jDBA is one app but that hasn't > made a release in 3 years. Perhaps we could pick up that torch or start > over. > > Anyway I'd like to hear what others think on the state of TOra and if > anyone is interested in moving on. > |
From: J. K. <jk...@vi...> - 2004-11-03 19:53:05
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I agree. I've been quiet for a long time (and so has TOra development ;(, but I still think this is the best SQL client for Oracle. I've got a couple of patches, and I see others have been active too-- I'd hate to fork the code base only to find Henrik hasn't abandoned us..... Comments? -Jason On Wed, 3 Nov 2004, Selcuk Ozturk wrote: > If Henrik is letting go of TOra, I'd like to help in improving it > further. Time is a little scarce for me these days but, I like this > program and would hate to see it to go to waste. > > Selcuk > > > Don Seiler wrote: > > > What is the status of TOra? I haven't seen ANY activity recently, and > > that trigger/code viewing bug still plagues windows users. Just last > > week I had to tell my boss to re-up our TOAD licenses because I can't > > vouch for TOra anymore. The problem for me is that TOAD doesn't even > > work on linux AFAIK. > > > > Henrik are you planning to let go of TOra? Is anyone interested in > > picking up the torch and maybe forking? I briefly toyed with the idea > > of writing a gtk+ version of tora that would then be freely > > cross-platform. That would also require I learn seriously better gtk+ > > and C coding than my irrelevant gaim modules/patches have taught me. > > > > There is also a java/swing possiblity. jDBA is one app but that hasn't > > made a release in 3 years. Perhaps we could pick up that torch or start > > over. > > > > Anyway I'd like to hear what others think on the state of TOra and if > > anyone is interested in moving on. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: > Sybase ASE Linux Express Edition - download now for FREE > LinuxWorld Reader's Choice Award Winner for best database on Linux. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5588&alloc_id=12065&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Tora-develop mailing list > Tor...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tora-develop > |
From: Oliver J. <oli...@mo...> - 2004-11-04 06:10:05
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I read the last month several questions about the future of this patches and tora itself. I think, to please hendrik/quest to add another maintainers to manage tora would be the best, so there are more people involved. If Hendrik/Quest didn't respond, we should open a new tora project with a board of maintainers. I'm pretty shure, that Hendrik already have a pipe of patches for a lot of problems, but i'm not shure, if Quest is really interested in tora. Oliver |
From: Henrik (M. J. <hp...@gl...> - 2004-11-04 08:02:23
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Oliver Jehle wrote: >I read the last month several questions about the future of this patches and >tora itself. > >I think, to please hendrik/quest to add another maintainers to manage >tora would be the best, so there are more people involved. > >If Hendrik/Quest didn't respond, we should open a new tora project with >a board of maintainers. > >I'm pretty shure, that Hendrik already have a pipe of patches for a lot >of problems, but i'm not shure, if Quest is really interested in tora. > > >Oliver > > Hello, I'm sorry for not being able to spend that much time on TOra as I should. I am now working full time on future versions of TOAD by Quest. Commercial windows users of TOra should hopefully have been contacted by Quest about migrating to TOAD. Quest already has two TOra like products for Windows, TOAD and SQL Navigator and am as far as I understand not interested in having a third one from a totally different codebase. I am currently working on extending the TOAD product to handle better localization, unicode support and different databases than Oracle (All features which TOra already have). I am just about to update the webpage to reflect this new change. Quest has no problem with the freeware linux version living on, and as you have all noticed my bandwidth for this project is somewhat limited and I am wondering if someone on this mailing list is willing to step up as a new maintainer of this project. I wouldn't mind still having admin access, but I don't have a problem sharing with someone else. Nobody will benefit from just moving this project to another place to continue working on it. Preferably someone who has written a few patches (Oliver here in this email for instance have written some nice patches). /Henrik Johnson Quest Software |
From: Oliver J. <oli...@mo...> - 2004-11-04 08:10:40
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I'm sorry to hear that. Really And for Quest, this "Toad" and "SQLNavigator" works only with MS$... Not Linux nor MacOSX. I vote for a group of maintainers, perhaps 2-3 persons. On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 08:00, Henrik (Mauritz) Johnson wrote: > Oliver Jehle wrote: > > >I read the last month several questions about the future of this patches and > >tora itself. > > > >I think, to please hendrik/quest to add another maintainers to manage > >tora would be the best, so there are more people involved. > > > >If Hendrik/Quest didn't respond, we should open a new tora project with > >a board of maintainers. > > > >I'm pretty shure, that Hendrik already have a pipe of patches for a lot > >of problems, but i'm not shure, if Quest is really interested in tora. > > > > > >Oliver > > > > > Hello, > > I'm sorry for not being able to spend that much time on TOra as I > should. I am now working full time on future versions of TOAD by Quest. > Commercial windows users of TOra should hopefully have been contacted by > Quest about migrating to TOAD. Quest already has two TOra like products > for Windows, TOAD and SQL Navigator and am as far as I understand not > interested in having a third one from a totally different codebase. I am > currently working on extending the TOAD product to handle better > localization, unicode support and different databases than Oracle (All > features which TOra already have). I am just about to update the webpage > to reflect this new change. > > Quest has no problem with the freeware linux version living on, and as > you have all noticed my bandwidth for this project is somewhat limited > and I am wondering if someone on this mailing list is willing to step up > as a new maintainer of this project. I wouldn't mind still having admin > access, but I don't have a problem sharing with someone else. Nobody > will benefit from just moving this project to another place to continue > working on it. Preferably someone who has written a few patches (Oliver > here in this email for instance have written some nice patches). > > /Henrik Johnson > Quest Software |
From: Fernando P. <fer...@ma...> - 2004-11-04 15:02:56
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Will there be any interest and is it ok with Hendrik to try to do an Cocoa version of TOra for MacOSX? I think that at the worst it will be a pleasant exercise (as all Cocoa programming is!) Fernando On Thursday, November 04, 2004, at 06:15AM, Oliver Jehle <oli...@mo...> wrote: >I'm sorry to hear that. Really > >And for Quest, this "Toad" and "SQLNavigator" works only with MS$... >Not Linux nor MacOSX. > >I vote for a group of maintainers, perhaps 2-3 persons. > > >On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 08:00, Henrik (Mauritz) Johnson wrote: >> Oliver Jehle wrote: >> >> >I read the last month several questions about the future of this patches and >> >tora itself. >> > >> >I think, to please hendrik/quest to add another maintainers to manage >> >tora would be the best, so there are more people involved. >> > >> >If Hendrik/Quest didn't respond, we should open a new tora project with >> >a board of maintainers. >> > >> >I'm pretty shure, that Hendrik already have a pipe of patches for a lot >> >of problems, but i'm not shure, if Quest is really interested in tora. >> > >> > >> >Oliver >> > >> > >> Hello, >> >> I'm sorry for not being able to spend that much time on TOra as I >> should. I am now working full time on future versions of TOAD by Quest. >> Commercial windows users of TOra should hopefully have been contacted by >> Quest about migrating to TOAD. Quest already has two TOra like products >> for Windows, TOAD and SQL Navigator and am as far as I understand not >> interested in having a third one from a totally different codebase. I am >> currently working on extending the TOAD product to handle better >> localization, unicode support and different databases than Oracle (All >> features which TOra already have). I am just about to update the webpage >> to reflect this new change. >> >> Quest has no problem with the freeware linux version living on, and as >> you have all noticed my bandwidth for this project is somewhat limited >> and I am wondering if someone on this mailing list is willing to step up >> as a new maintainer of this project. I wouldn't mind still having admin >> access, but I don't have a problem sharing with someone else. Nobody >> will benefit from just moving this project to another place to continue >> working on it. Preferably someone who has written a few patches (Oliver >> here in this email for instance have written some nice patches). >> >> /Henrik Johnson >> Quest Software > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This SF.Net email is sponsored by: >Sybase ASE Linux Express Edition - download now for FREE >LinuxWorld Reader's Choice Award Winner for best database on Linux. >http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5588&alloc_id=12065&op=click >_______________________________________________ >Tora-develop mailing list >Tor...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tora-develop > > // ---------------------------------- Fernando |
From: J. K. <jk...@vi...> - 2004-11-04 15:19:41
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Personally, I think this would be a great exercise-- especially if it helps in seperating the core functionality of TOra from the gui code (which from what I've seen will be a very difficult task). -J On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Fernando Pereira wrote: > Will there be any interest and is it ok with Hendrik to try to do an Cocoa version of TOra for MacOSX? I think that at the worst it will be a pleasant exercise (as all Cocoa programming is!) > > Fernando > > > > On Thursday, November 04, 2004, at 06:15AM, Oliver Jehle <oli...@mo...> wrote: > > >I'm sorry to hear that. Really > > > >And for Quest, this "Toad" and "SQLNavigator" works only with MS$... > >Not Linux nor MacOSX. > > > >I vote for a group of maintainers, perhaps 2-3 persons. > > > > > >On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 08:00, Henrik (Mauritz) Johnson wrote: > >> Oliver Jehle wrote: > >> > >> >I read the last month several questions about the future of this patches and > >> >tora itself. > >> > > >> >I think, to please hendrik/quest to add another maintainers to manage > >> >tora would be the best, so there are more people involved. > >> > > >> >If Hendrik/Quest didn't respond, we should open a new tora project with > >> >a board of maintainers. > >> > > >> >I'm pretty shure, that Hendrik already have a pipe of patches for a lot > >> >of problems, but i'm not shure, if Quest is really interested in tora. > >> > > >> > > >> >Oliver > >> > > >> > > >> Hello, > >> > >> I'm sorry for not being able to spend that much time on TOra as I > >> should. I am now working full time on future versions of TOAD by Quest. > >> Commercial windows users of TOra should hopefully have been contacted by > >> Quest about migrating to TOAD. Quest already has two TOra like products > >> for Windows, TOAD and SQL Navigator and am as far as I understand not > >> interested in having a third one from a totally different codebase. I am > >> currently working on extending the TOAD product to handle better > >> localization, unicode support and different databases than Oracle (All > >> features which TOra already have). I am just about to update the webpage > >> to reflect this new change. > >> > >> Quest has no problem with the freeware linux version living on, and as > >> you have all noticed my bandwidth for this project is somewhat limited > >> and I am wondering if someone on this mailing list is willing to step up > >> as a new maintainer of this project. I wouldn't mind still having admin > >> access, but I don't have a problem sharing with someone else. Nobody > >> will benefit from just moving this project to another place to continue > >> working on it. Preferably someone who has written a few patches (Oliver > >> here in this email for instance have written some nice patches). > >> > >> /Henrik Johnson > >> Quest Software > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- > >This SF.Net email is sponsored by: > >Sybase ASE Linux Express Edition - download now for FREE > >LinuxWorld Reader's Choice Award Winner for best database on Linux. > >http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5588&alloc_id=12065&op=click > >_______________________________________________ > >Tora-develop mailing list > >Tor...@li... > >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tora-develop > > > > > > > // ---------------------------------- > Fernando > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: > Sybase ASE Linux Express Edition - download now for FREE > LinuxWorld Reader's Choice Award Winner for best database on Linux. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5588&alloc_id=12065&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Tora-develop mailing list > Tor...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tora-develop > |
From: Rick H. <rp...@co...> - 2004-11-04 15:29:18
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J and Fernando - A Cocoa version of Tora would change a small maintenance issue into a larger one. So far there has been very little willingness to maintain even the Mac Qt version of Tora, so I don't see a Cocoa version as being realistic or wise. - Rick Hall On Nov 4, 2004, at 10:19 AM, J. Klapste wrote: > > Personally, I think this would be a great exercise-- especially if it > helps in seperating the core functionality of TOra from the gui code > (which from what I've seen will be a very difficult task). > > -J > > On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Fernando Pereira wrote: > >> Will there be any interest and is it ok with Hendrik to try to do an >> Cocoa version of TOra for MacOSX? I think that at the worst it will >> be a pleasant exercise (as all Cocoa programming is!) >> >> Fernando >> >> >> >> On Thursday, November 04, 2004, at 06:15AM, Oliver Jehle >> <oli...@mo...> wrote: >> >>> I'm sorry to hear that. Really >>> >>> And for Quest, this "Toad" and "SQLNavigator" works only with MS$... >>> Not Linux nor MacOSX. >>> >>> I vote for a group of maintainers, perhaps 2-3 persons. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 08:00, Henrik (Mauritz) Johnson wrote: >>>> Oliver Jehle wrote: >>>> >>>>> I read the last month several questions about the future of this >>>>> patches and >>>>> tora itself. >>>>> >>>>> I think, to please hendrik/quest to add another maintainers to >>>>> manage >>>>> tora would be the best, so there are more people involved. >>>>> >>>>> If Hendrik/Quest didn't respond, we should open a new tora project >>>>> with >>>>> a board of maintainers. >>>>> >>>>> I'm pretty shure, that Hendrik already have a pipe of patches for >>>>> a lot >>>>> of problems, but i'm not shure, if Quest is really interested in >>>>> tora. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Oliver >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I'm sorry for not being able to spend that much time on TOra as I >>>> should. I am now working full time on future versions of TOAD by >>>> Quest. >>>> Commercial windows users of TOra should hopefully have been >>>> contacted by >>>> Quest about migrating to TOAD. Quest already has two TOra like >>>> products >>>> for Windows, TOAD and SQL Navigator and am as far as I understand >>>> not >>>> interested in having a third one from a totally different codebase. >>>> I am >>>> currently working on extending the TOAD product to handle better >>>> localization, unicode support and different databases than Oracle >>>> (All >>>> features which TOra already have). I am just about to update the >>>> webpage >>>> to reflect this new change. >>>> >>>> Quest has no problem with the freeware linux version living on, and >>>> as >>>> you have all noticed my bandwidth for this project is somewhat >>>> limited >>>> and I am wondering if someone on this mailing list is willing to >>>> step up >>>> as a new maintainer of this project. I wouldn't mind still having >>>> admin >>>> access, but I don't have a problem sharing with someone else. Nobody >>>> will benefit from just moving this project to another place to >>>> continue >>>> working on it. Preferably someone who has written a few patches >>>> (Oliver >>>> here in this email for instance have written some nice patches). >>>> >>>> /Henrik Johnson >>>> Quest Software >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>> This SF.Net email is sponsored by: >>> Sybase ASE Linux Express Edition - download now for FREE >>> LinuxWorld Reader's Choice Award Winner for best database on Linux. >>> http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5588&alloc_id=12065&op=click >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tora-develop mailing list >>> Tor...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tora-develop >>> >>> >> >> >> // ---------------------------------- >> Fernando >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> This SF.Net email is sponsored by: >> Sybase ASE Linux Express Edition - download now for FREE >> LinuxWorld Reader's Choice Award Winner for best database on Linux. >> http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5588&alloc_id=12065&op=click >> _______________________________________________ >> Tora-develop mailing list >> Tor...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tora-develop >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: > Sybase ASE Linux Express Edition - download now for FREE > LinuxWorld Reader's Choice Award Winner for best database on Linux. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5588&alloc_id=12065&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Tora-develop mailing list > Tor...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tora-develop > |
From: J. K. <jk...@vi...> - 2004-11-04 15:46:51
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Hi Rick, What are currently the issues with the Mac Qt version? As it's running under Qt, and assuming the Oracle stuff is there, what are the differences that are causing problems (which I'm sure there are many, I just have been out of the Mac environment since before OS 9 so I, well, basically have no useful knowledge :) -J On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Rick Hall wrote: > J and Fernando - > > A Cocoa version of Tora would change a small maintenance issue into a > larger one. So far there has been very little willingness to maintain > even the Mac Qt version of Tora, so I don't see a Cocoa version as > being realistic or wise. > > - Rick Hall > > > On Nov 4, 2004, at 10:19 AM, J. Klapste wrote: > > > > > Personally, I think this would be a great exercise-- especially if it > > helps in seperating the core functionality of TOra from the gui code > > (which from what I've seen will be a very difficult task). > > > > -J > > > > On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Fernando Pereira wrote: > > > >> Will there be any interest and is it ok with Hendrik to try to do an > >> Cocoa version of TOra for MacOSX? I think that at the worst it will > >> be a pleasant exercise (as all Cocoa programming is!) > >> > >> Fernando > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thursday, November 04, 2004, at 06:15AM, Oliver Jehle > >> <oli...@mo...> wrote: > >> > >>> I'm sorry to hear that. Really > >>> > >>> And for Quest, this "Toad" and "SQLNavigator" works only with MS$... > >>> Not Linux nor MacOSX. > >>> > >>> I vote for a group of maintainers, perhaps 2-3 persons. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 08:00, Henrik (Mauritz) Johnson wrote: > >>>> Oliver Jehle wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I read the last month several questions about the future of this > >>>>> patches and > >>>>> tora itself. > >>>>> > >>>>> I think, to please hendrik/quest to add another maintainers to > >>>>> manage > >>>>> tora would be the best, so there are more people involved. > >>>>> > >>>>> If Hendrik/Quest didn't respond, we should open a new tora project > >>>>> with > >>>>> a board of maintainers. > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm pretty shure, that Hendrik already have a pipe of patches for > >>>>> a lot > >>>>> of problems, but i'm not shure, if Quest is really interested in > >>>>> tora. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Oliver > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> Hello, > >>>> > >>>> I'm sorry for not being able to spend that much time on TOra as I > >>>> should. I am now working full time on future versions of TOAD by > >>>> Quest. > >>>> Commercial windows users of TOra should hopefully have been > >>>> contacted by > >>>> Quest about migrating to TOAD. Quest already has two TOra like > >>>> products > >>>> for Windows, TOAD and SQL Navigator and am as far as I understand > >>>> not > >>>> interested in having a third one from a totally different codebase. > >>>> I am > >>>> currently working on extending the TOAD product to handle better > >>>> localization, unicode support and different databases than Oracle > >>>> (All > >>>> features which TOra already have). I am just about to update the > >>>> webpage > >>>> to reflect this new change. > >>>> > >>>> Quest has no problem with the freeware linux version living on, and > >>>> as > >>>> you have all noticed my bandwidth for this project is somewhat > >>>> limited > >>>> and I am wondering if someone on this mailing list is willing to > >>>> step up > >>>> as a new maintainer of this project. I wouldn't mind still having > >>>> admin > >>>> access, but I don't have a problem sharing with someone else. Nobody > >>>> will benefit from just moving this project to another place to > >>>> continue > >>>> working on it. Preferably someone who has written a few patches > >>>> (Oliver > >>>> here in this email for instance have written some nice patches). > >>>> > >>>> /Henrik Johnson > >>>> Quest Software > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------- > >>> This SF.Net email is sponsored by: > >>> Sybase ASE Linux Express Edition - download now for FREE > >>> LinuxWorld Reader's Choice Award Winner for best database on Linux. > >>> http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5588&alloc_id=12065&op=click > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Tora-develop mailing list > >>> Tor...@li... > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tora-develop > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> // ---------------------------------- > >> Fernando > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------- > >> This SF.Net email is sponsored by: > >> Sybase ASE Linux Express Edition - download now for FREE > >> LinuxWorld Reader's Choice Award Winner for best database on Linux. > >> http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5588&alloc_id=12065&op=click > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Tora-develop mailing list > >> Tor...@li... > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tora-develop > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: > > Sybase ASE Linux Express Edition - download now for FREE > > LinuxWorld Reader's Choice Award Winner for best database on Linux. > > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5588&alloc_id=12065&op=click > > _______________________________________________ > > Tora-develop mailing list > > Tor...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tora-develop > > > |
From: Rick H. <rp...@co...> - 2004-11-04 16:10:06
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J - I haven't done much on the MacOS Qt version since I submitted a patch for the 12.x branch about a year ago. There isn't a lot of work to do on the Mac maintenance, although I get occasional emails from people who have had trouble with the MacOS build or installation. I noticed that I was the only one maintaining a MacOS binary build and there wasn't much download traffic on my site for the build. I took down the site about 4 months ago. There's not much effort involved in maintaining a Qt version across Windows, Linux and MacOS. On the other hand, creating a Cocoa MacOS version would lead to the Cocoa version getting seriously out of date, given the thin numbers of Mac-based Tora developers and users. - Rick On Nov 4, 2004, at 10:46 AM, J. Klapste wrote: > > Hi Rick, > > What are currently the issues with the Mac Qt version? As it's running > under Qt, and assuming the Oracle stuff is there, what are the > differences > that are causing problems (which I'm sure there are many, I just have > been > out of the Mac environment since before OS 9 so I, well, basically > have no > useful knowledge :) > > -J > > > > On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Rick Hall wrote: > >> J and Fernando - >> >> A Cocoa version of Tora would change a small maintenance issue into a >> larger one. So far there has been very little willingness to maintain >> even the Mac Qt version of Tora, so I don't see a Cocoa version as >> being realistic or wise. >> >> - Rick Hall >> >> >> On Nov 4, 2004, at 10:19 AM, J. Klapste wrote: >> >>> >>> Personally, I think this would be a great exercise-- especially if it >>> helps in seperating the core functionality of TOra from the gui code >>> (which from what I've seen will be a very difficult task). >>> >>> -J >>> >>> On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Fernando Pereira wrote: >>> >>>> Will there be any interest and is it ok with Hendrik to try to do an >>>> Cocoa version of TOra for MacOSX? I think that at the worst it will >>>> be a pleasant exercise (as all Cocoa programming is!) >>>> >>>> Fernando >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, November 04, 2004, at 06:15AM, Oliver Jehle >>>> <oli...@mo...> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm sorry to hear that. Really >>>>> >>>>> And for Quest, this "Toad" and "SQLNavigator" works only with >>>>> MS$... >>>>> Not Linux nor MacOSX. >>>>> >>>>> I vote for a group of maintainers, perhaps 2-3 persons. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 08:00, Henrik (Mauritz) Johnson wrote: >>>>>> Oliver Jehle wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I read the last month several questions about the future of this >>>>>>> patches and >>>>>>> tora itself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think, to please hendrik/quest to add another maintainers to >>>>>>> manage >>>>>>> tora would be the best, so there are more people involved. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If Hendrik/Quest didn't respond, we should open a new tora >>>>>>> project >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> a board of maintainers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm pretty shure, that Hendrik already have a pipe of patches for >>>>>>> a lot >>>>>>> of problems, but i'm not shure, if Quest is really interested in >>>>>>> tora. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Oliver >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm sorry for not being able to spend that much time on TOra as I >>>>>> should. I am now working full time on future versions of TOAD by >>>>>> Quest. >>>>>> Commercial windows users of TOra should hopefully have been >>>>>> contacted by >>>>>> Quest about migrating to TOAD. Quest already has two TOra like >>>>>> products >>>>>> for Windows, TOAD and SQL Navigator and am as far as I understand >>>>>> not >>>>>> interested in having a third one from a totally different >>>>>> codebase. >>>>>> I am >>>>>> currently working on extending the TOAD product to handle better >>>>>> localization, unicode support and different databases than Oracle >>>>>> (All >>>>>> features which TOra already have). I am just about to update the >>>>>> webpage >>>>>> to reflect this new change. >>>>>> >>>>>> Quest has no problem with the freeware linux version living on, >>>>>> and >>>>>> as >>>>>> you have all noticed my bandwidth for this project is somewhat >>>>>> limited >>>>>> and I am wondering if someone on this mailing list is willing to >>>>>> step up >>>>>> as a new maintainer of this project. I wouldn't mind still having >>>>>> admin >>>>>> access, but I don't have a problem sharing with someone else. >>>>>> Nobody >>>>>> will benefit from just moving this project to another place to >>>>>> continue >>>>>> working on it. Preferably someone who has written a few patches >>>>>> (Oliver >>>>>> here in this email for instance have written some nice patches). >>>>>> >>>>>> /Henrik Johnson >>>>>> Quest Software >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> This SF.Net email is sponsored by: >>>>> Sybase ASE Linux Express Edition - download now for FREE >>>>> LinuxWorld Reader's Choice Award Winner for best database on Linux. >>>>> http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5588&alloc_id=12065&op=click >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Tora-develop mailing list >>>>> Tor...@li... >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tora-develop >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> // ---------------------------------- >>>> Fernando >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This SF.Net email is sponsored by: >>>> Sybase ASE Linux Express Edition - download now for FREE >>>> LinuxWorld Reader's Choice Award Winner for best database on Linux. >>>> http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5588&alloc_id=12065&op=click >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Tora-develop mailing list >>>> Tor...@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tora-develop >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>> This SF.Net email is sponsored by: >>> Sybase ASE Linux Express Edition - download now for FREE >>> LinuxWorld Reader's Choice Award Winner for best database on Linux. >>> http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5588&alloc_id=12065&op=click >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tora-develop mailing list >>> Tor...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tora-develop >>> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: > Sybase ASE Linux Express Edition - download now for FREE > LinuxWorld Reader's Choice Award Winner for best database on Linux. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5588&alloc_id=12065&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Tora-develop mailing list > Tor...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tora-develop > |
From: Henrik (M. J. <hp...@gl...> - 2004-11-04 16:49:49
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I agree, you are welcome to try but the way TOra I oftenly use UI elements to save data while I'm working on it and that unfortunately don't translate to making it easily to translate it to another toolkit than Qt. /Henrik Johnson Quest Software J. Klapste wrote: >Personally, I think this would be a great exercise-- especially if it >helps in seperating the core functionality of TOra from the gui code >(which from what I've seen will be a very difficult task). > >-J > >On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Fernando Pereira wrote: > > > >>Will there be any interest and is it ok with Hendrik to try to do an Cocoa version of TOra for MacOSX? I think that at the worst it will be a pleasant exercise (as all Cocoa programming is!) >> >>Fernando >> >> >> >>On Thursday, November 04, 2004, at 06:15AM, Oliver Jehle <oli...@mo...> wrote: >> >> >> >>>I'm sorry to hear that. Really >>> >>>And for Quest, this "Toad" and "SQLNavigator" works only with MS$... >>>Not Linux nor MacOSX. >>> >>>I vote for a group of maintainers, perhaps 2-3 persons. >>> >>> >>>On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 08:00, Henrik (Mauritz) Johnson wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Oliver Jehle wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>I read the last month several questions about the future of this patches and >>>>>tora itself. >>>>> >>>>>I think, to please hendrik/quest to add another maintainers to manage >>>>>tora would be the best, so there are more people involved. >>>>> >>>>>If Hendrik/Quest didn't respond, we should open a new tora project with >>>>>a board of maintainers. >>>>> >>>>>I'm pretty shure, that Hendrik already have a pipe of patches for a lot >>>>>of problems, but i'm not shure, if Quest is really interested in tora. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Oliver >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Hello, >>>> >>>>I'm sorry for not being able to spend that much time on TOra as I >>>>should. I am now working full time on future versions of TOAD by Quest. >>>>Commercial windows users of TOra should hopefully have been contacted by >>>>Quest about migrating to TOAD. Quest already has two TOra like products >>>>for Windows, TOAD and SQL Navigator and am as far as I understand not >>>>interested in having a third one from a totally different codebase. I am >>>>currently working on extending the TOAD product to handle better >>>>localization, unicode support and different databases than Oracle (All >>>>features which TOra already have). I am just about to update the webpage >>>>to reflect this new change. >>>> >>>>Quest has no problem with the freeware linux version living on, and as >>>>you have all noticed my bandwidth for this project is somewhat limited >>>>and I am wondering if someone on this mailing list is willing to step up >>>>as a new maintainer of this project. I wouldn't mind still having admin >>>>access, but I don't have a problem sharing with someone else. Nobody >>>>will benefit from just moving this project to another place to continue >>>>working on it. Preferably someone who has written a few patches (Oliver >>>>here in this email for instance have written some nice patches). >>>> >>>>/Henrik Johnson >>>>Quest Software >>>> >>>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------- >>>This SF.Net email is sponsored by: >>>Sybase ASE Linux Express Edition - download now for FREE >>>LinuxWorld Reader's Choice Award Winner for best database on Linux. >>>http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5588&alloc_id=12065&op=click >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Tora-develop mailing list >>>Tor...@li... >>>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tora-develop >>> >>> >>> >>> >>// ---------------------------------- >>Fernando >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------- >>This SF.Net email is sponsored by: >>Sybase ASE Linux Express Edition - download now for FREE >>LinuxWorld Reader's Choice Award Winner for best database on Linux. >>http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5588&alloc_id=12065&op=click >>_______________________________________________ >>Tora-develop mailing list >>Tor...@li... >>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tora-develop >> >> >> |
From: J. K. <jk...@vi...> - 2004-11-04 15:15:42
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I'm also really sorry to hear that. I think TOra is one of the best products out, open source or commercial, and that includes TOAD. I find it ridiciously that Quest charges as much as they do, especially when someone, a single person might I add, like Henrik was able to produce TOra. My vote is for a group of maintainers-- -J On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Oliver Jehle wrote: > I'm sorry to hear that. Really > > And for Quest, this "Toad" and "SQLNavigator" works only with MS$... > Not Linux nor MacOSX. > > I vote for a group of maintainers, perhaps 2-3 persons. > > |
From: Don S. <do...@se...> - 2004-11-04 14:54:44
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On 23:00 Wed 03 Nov , Henrik (Mauritz) Johnson wrote: > Preferably someone who has written a few patches (Oliver=20 > here in this email for instance have written some nice patches). I'll offer to be a maintainer. I'm not the most proficient with Qt and forgot most of my C++, but I do maintain a lot of projects (all on sourceforge) and can bring that experience of managing a software project with all the releases and CVS work involved. I'd love to take time to dig into TOra once I can find a place to start, as I'm sure a lot of timid would-be developers are. I'll try to be more proactive when I see problems and report/describe them fully. Anyway I understand if you only want contributing developers to be maintainers, but I don't think it's necessary to fill a project manager role. Just my $0.02. Don. --=20 Don Seiler do...@se... Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=3Dget&search=3D0xFC87F041 Fingerprint: 0B56 50D5 E91E 4D4C 83B7 207C 76AC 5DA2 FC87 F041 |
From: Don S. <do...@se...> - 2004-11-04 15:24:40
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Also, in the effort to foster the developer community, I've opened #tora on irc.freenode.net. I've registered the channel with chanserv and once maintainers are decided I'll add them to the ops list. Don. --=20 Don Seiler do...@se... Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=3Dget&search=3D0xFC87F041 Fingerprint: 0B56 50D5 E91E 4D4C 83B7 207C 76AC 5DA2 FC87 F041 |
From: Selcuk O. <so...@fd...> - 2004-11-04 15:46:27
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Does this mean Tora for Windows is dead? Can new maintainers continue to build versions for Windows or not? Selcuk Henrik (Mauritz) Johnson wrote: > Oliver Jehle wrote: > >> I read the last month several questions about the future of this >> patches and >> tora itself. >> >> I think, to please hendrik/quest to add another maintainers to manage >> tora would be the best, so there are more people involved. >> >> If Hendrik/Quest didn't respond, we should open a new tora project with >> a board of maintainers. >> >> I'm pretty shure, that Hendrik already have a pipe of patches for a lot >> of problems, but i'm not shure, if Quest is really interested in tora. >> >> Oliver >> >> > Hello, > > I'm sorry for not being able to spend that much time on TOra as I > should. I am now working full time on future versions of TOAD by Quest. > Commercial windows users of TOra should hopefully have been contacted by > Quest about migrating to TOAD. Quest already has two TOra like products > for Windows, TOAD and SQL Navigator and am as far as I understand not > interested in having a third one from a totally different codebase. I am > currently working on extending the TOAD product to handle better > localization, unicode support and different databases than Oracle (All > features which TOra already have). I am just about to update the webpage > to reflect this new change. > > Quest has no problem with the freeware linux version living on, and as > you have all noticed my bandwidth for this project is somewhat limited > and I am wondering if someone on this mailing list is willing to step up > as a new maintainer of this project. I wouldn't mind still having admin > access, but I don't have a problem sharing with someone else. Nobody > will benefit from just moving this project to another place to continue > working on it. Preferably someone who has written a few patches (Oliver > here in this email for instance have written some nice patches). > > /Henrik Johnson > Quest Software > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: > Sybase ASE Linux Express Edition - download now for FREE > LinuxWorld Reader's Choice Award Winner for best database on Linux. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5588&alloc_id=12065&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Tora-develop mailing list > Tor...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tora-develop > |
From: Henrik (M. J. <hp...@gl...> - 2004-11-04 16:55:45
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The windows version is unfortunately dead. And there won't be any way to compile a new one using a commercial version of Qt (Due to the way it is licensed). The reason is that this would compete with Quest products so it would not be something that we would look kindly on. I would recommend windows users going with TOAD (http://www.toadsoft.com/) which also has a free version available with on many respects more features than TOra and a commercial version which is vastly superior (Sorry for the plug). /Henrik Johnson Quest Software Selcuk Ozturk wrote: > Does this mean Tora for Windows is dead? Can new maintainers continue > to build versions for Windows or not? > > Selcuk > > > Henrik (Mauritz) Johnson wrote: > >> Oliver Jehle wrote: >> >>> I read the last month several questions about the future of this >>> patches and >>> tora itself. >>> >>> I think, to please hendrik/quest to add another maintainers to manage >>> tora would be the best, so there are more people involved. >>> >>> If Hendrik/Quest didn't respond, we should open a new tora project with >>> a board of maintainers. >>> >>> I'm pretty shure, that Hendrik already have a pipe of patches for a lot >>> of problems, but i'm not shure, if Quest is really interested in tora. >>> >>> Oliver >> |
From: Don S. <do...@se...> - 2004-11-04 17:28:34
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On 08:55 Thu 04 Nov , Henrik (Mauritz) Johnson wrote: > The windows version is unfortunately dead. And there won't be any way to= =20 > compile a new one using a commercial version of Qt (Due to the way it is= =20 > licensed). The reason is that this would compete with Quest products so= =20 > it would not be something that we would look kindly on. I would=20 > recommend windows users going with TOAD (http://www.toadsoft.com/) which= =20 > also has a free version available with on many respects more features=20 > than TOra and a commercial version which is vastly superior (Sorry for=20 > the plug). If this is going to be the attitude then I would much rather prefer going with a GTK+ or java version that people can freely use and build on any platform they desire. When you say "due to the way it is licensed" are you referring to the licesning of Qt or TOra? Don. --=20 Don Seiler do...@se... Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=3Dget&search=3D0xFC87F041 Fingerprint: 0B56 50D5 E91E 4D4C 83B7 207C 76AC 5DA2 FC87 F041 |
From: J. K. <jk...@vi...> - 2004-11-04 18:17:36
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So..... what other good open source DB/Oracle tools existing that we can start from? |
From: Selcuk O. <so...@fd...> - 2004-11-04 18:33:06
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I am no lawyer. But, my thinking goes this way: I don't think you can restrict the use of code to a computer architecture or operating system under GPL. Tora is GPL'ed. So, you can modify it and compile for Windows as long as everything you link it with is also GPL. But, there is no GPL Qt for Windows. So, using Tora code base in conjunction with Qt toolkit on the Windows platform is out. But, you can use Tora code to develop a version that uses GTK or wxWindows for GUI. Of course, that is probably not a whole lot better than starting from scratch because of the way Tora is coded. Selcuk J. Klapste wrote: > So..... what other good open source DB/Oracle tools existing that we can > start from? > > > |
From: Henrik (M. J. <hp...@gl...> - 2004-11-05 03:28:41
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Yepp, thats exactly what I've been trying to tell you in my own convoluted way ;). /Henrik Selcuk Ozturk wrote: > I am no lawyer. But, my thinking goes this way: > > I don't think you can restrict the use of code to a computer > architecture or operating system under GPL. Tora is GPL'ed. So, you > can modify it and compile for Windows as long as everything you link > it with is also GPL. But, there is no GPL Qt for Windows. So, using > Tora code base in conjunction with Qt toolkit on the Windows platform > is out. > > But, you can use Tora code to develop a version that uses GTK or > wxWindows for GUI. Of course, that is probably not a whole lot better > than starting from scratch because of the way Tora is coded. > > Selcuk > > J. Klapste wrote: > >> So..... what other good open source DB/Oracle tools existing that we can >> start from? >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: > Sybase ASE Linux Express Edition - download now for FREE > LinuxWorld Reader's Choice Award Winner for best database on Linux. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5588&alloc_id=12065&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Tora-develop mailing list > Tor...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tora-develop |
From: J. K. <jk...@vi...> - 2004-11-04 18:15:35
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From the boiler plate source code: * Specifically you are not permitted to link this program with the * Qt/UNIX, Qt/Windows or Qt Non Commercial products of TrollTech. * And you are not permitted to distribute binaries compiled against * these libraries without written consent from Quest Software, Inc. * Observe that this does not disallow linking to the Qt Free Edition. So how are the Qt Free Edition and the Qt Non-Commercial products different? This seems to contradict itself... It also doesn't clarify the definition of linking--- likely it means static, not dynamic-- mostly likely because of the way Qt is licensed. It is also interesting to note that TOra has been GPL'ed, and how that applies to this 'additional' restrictions. Also, Trolltech doesn't have a free/noncommercial version of Qt for windows. I believe Henrik had something worked out with Trolltech directly that allowed him to provide compiled versions for windows for eval purposes (hence the nag/registation dialog). Java is always nice, but so it GTK :) -J On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Don Seiler wrote: > On 08:55 Thu 04 Nov , Henrik (Mauritz) Johnson wrote: > > The windows version is unfortunately dead. And there won't be any way to > > compile a new one using a commercial version of Qt (Due to the way it is > > licensed). The reason is that this would compete with Quest products so > > it would not be something that we would look kindly on. I would > > recommend windows users going with TOAD (http://www.toadsoft.com/) which > > also has a free version available with on many respects more features > > than TOra and a commercial version which is vastly superior (Sorry for > > the plug). > > If this is going to be the attitude then I would much rather prefer > going with a GTK+ or java version that people can freely use and build > on any platform they desire. > > When you say "due to the way it is licensed" are you referring to the > licesning of Qt or TOra? > > Don. > > -- > Don Seiler > do...@se... > > Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xFC87F041 > Fingerprint: 0B56 50D5 E91E 4D4C 83B7 207C 76AC 5DA2 FC87 F041 > |