Re: [Tm4j-developers] Future of Panckoucke 2

[Christoph F. <cf...@fo...>]

Hi Harald,

(Since you did write in english, I assume that the mail was accidently
send to me off-list)
  
I'm really happy that it was a misunderstanding and the we have the same
intentions with panckoucke.

I agree absolutely with what you are saying below, especially with your
list of common points. 



Bye
c

 

Am Do, den 16.09.2004 schrieb Harald Kuhn um 17:30:
> Hi Christoph,
> 
> >Hi Harald,
> >
> >I go with you, that it would be great to extend the scope of panckoucke
> >o 'abstract' data from other technologies than topicmaps. RDF for
> >Example.
> >
> >And it's comprehensible, from a technical point of view, to make this
> >next generation panckoucke a project of its own.
> >
> >I have also strong objections against this, regarding the distraction of
> >the community, but since panckoucke is the module that has the lowest
> >attention on the tm4j-mailing lists, we maybe could risk it. 
> 
> That is quite true. Moreover, i do not think that even if some of us would move panckoucke to another project and keep on developing it there, that we all would stop contributing to TMNav or TM4J. On the contrary, I think that it is quite well possible, that panckoucke does get much more attention as a project of its own. 
> 
> >But before we strike this path, we should come to an agreement what
> >panckoucke is about. There seems to be a major misunderstanding. I
> >*never* voted to split panckoucke in any way, especially I did not vote
> >for a separation of the model/abstractor definition on the one hand and
> >the concrete abstractor implementations on the other (at least I did not
> >want to vote for something like that. Sorry if something I said, gave
> >you that impression).
> >To me, a vital part of panckoucke is the implementations of abstractors
> >and the helpersas well, that connect engines like tm4j and maybe jena in
> >the future. 
> 
> That was indeed a misunderstanding. I thought, that you had objections in moving the abstractors into a new panckoucke. However it is good, that you clarified this, as i also think that the Abstractors are a vital part of panckoucke.
> 
> 
> >I could imagine very well that panckoucke does not implement the
> >abstract model on its own. In fact, I searched for a java-graph-api
> >implementation when starting panckoucke, but did not find one and
> >therefor implemented it by myself. This is something that I would
> >definitely like to include as a third-party lib.
> >
> >But a project that just defines the model and interfaces and leaves the
> >implementation of real and useful abstractors to others, is not what I
> >mean, when talking about panckoucke. 
> 
> As i already wrote above, i too do not really want to separate these two, but thought this to be a compromise between what you and i suggested because i did misunderstand some of what you wrote. For me panckocke is the complete Framework, the Store API, the Abstractors, the model,  and the renderers which create a visualisation from it. 
> 
> >Maybe it is a project of its own and panckoucke could use it?
> >
> >What do you think?
> 
> I do not think that such a project would stand a chance at all. The real innovation of panckouck is, that it does not just define a GraphAPI, some algorithms and renderers, but that it does provide a complete framework which starts with as soon as handling asynchronous loading. There are about a dozen Graph Frameworks out there, so just define another one is probably not going to persuade anyone to use it. And a graph project which is only used by panckoucke and only developed by some of the panckoucke developers would IMHO make things only more complicated without any real gain. 
> 
> >Bye
> >c
> 
> I will try to collect the things (that i think) we agree on:
> 
> - panckoucke is the whole framework including everything which is part of it now
> - panckoucke should stay like this, if we move it or not
> - there is a danger of splitting the community in moving it, however as there is not that much 
>   attention for panckoucke, it may be only a small one
> 
> Cheers,
> Harald
> 
> 
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