From: Dani O. <ode...@gm...> - 2004-12-16 17:42:52
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Marcel Ferrante wrote: >Guys, I feel that something wrong. >Looking at CMSMATRIX.ORG, the score of tikiwiki is low=20 >in almost all parameters. But, the tikiwiki has many=20 >features that aren't has in the "better cms" like xoops and >post-nuke. >Doesn't make sense for me. Anyone knows the reason for that ? >Or we choose the wrong open source project ? > > Well, these things are allways hard to say. Why did we end up with VHS rather than Betamax? Why gets mysql much more and postgres much less attention than it deserves? It could have to do with Marketing, or just with some kind og Lemming effect, I don't know. The other question (which seems more important to me) is if one should care. In the VHS case, its obvious: if you did not change, there were no fils left to be seen. But with an OpenSource CMS this is less of a concern (if you speak for a company, however, this might be different). I think its unfair to judge a system by its popularity, that doesnt necessarily say something about the quality. Besides, I did not see the criteria of cmsmatrix.org, maybe they just did not do their job? Regards, Dani -- Daniel Oderbolz Jagowstrasse 13 D-10555 Berlin http://www.swissbytes.de |
From: Jason D. <jd-...@co...> - 2004-12-16 22:29:39
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Hi all In my experience, the biggest reason why people don't adopt TikiWiki is that is confusing. The shear number of features and options scares people who just want a blog, wiki or page based CMS. As well, I've heard many smart people complain about the poor usability, e.g. learning how to set permissions or apply a custom menu is not easy. Personally, I think that the tiki mods approach will bring new and exiting innovation to TikiWiki that could help it rise. But an additional strategy would be to create some new themes and better documentation that more clearly address the key needs of CMS users. I'll be working on this in the new year. And by the way, VHS won because it had more storage capacity: people could record 8 hours on VHS and only 3.25 on Beta. Cheers - jd - - > -----Original Message----- > From: tik...@li... [mailto:tikiwiki-users- > ad...@li...] On Behalf Of Dani Oderbolz > Sent: December 16, 2004 12:49 PM > To: tik...@li... > Subject: [Tikiwiki-users] Re: WHY THE TIKIWIKI'S SCORE IS SO BAD ? > > Marcel Ferrante wrote: > > >Guys, I feel that something wrong. > >Looking at CMSMATRIX.ORG, the score of tikiwiki is low=20 > >in almost all parameters. But, the tikiwiki has many=20 > >features that aren't has in the "better cms" like xoops and > >post-nuke. > >Doesn't make sense for me. Anyone knows the reason for that ? > >Or we choose the wrong open source project ? > > > > > Well, these things are allways hard to say. > Why did we end up with VHS rather than Betamax? > Why gets mysql much more and postgres much less attention than it > deserves? > It could have to do with Marketing, > or just with some kind og Lemming effect, I don't know. > The other question (which seems more important to me) is > if one should care. > In the VHS case, its obvious: if you did not change, there were no fils > left > to be seen. > But with an OpenSource CMS this is less of a concern (if you speak for > a company, however, this might be different). > I think its unfair to judge a system by its popularity, > that doesnt necessarily say something about the quality. > Besides, I did not see the criteria of cmsmatrix.org, > maybe they just did not do their job? > > Regards, > Dani > > -- > Daniel Oderbolz > Jagowstrasse 13 > D-10555 Berlin > > http://www.swissbytes.de > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. > Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. > http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Tikiwiki-users mailing list > Tik...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tikiwiki-users > |
From: Marcel F. <ma...@gm...> - 2004-12-17 02:32:12
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Ok, people, thanks for the answers. I thing discussions is good not only for the tool and it's evolution, but also for our evolution. Particularly, I am doing a course of university that the people consider the PLONE the best option for CMS actually. (www.plone.org). I don't aceppty this ideia imediatelly because I have many other question to consider behind the features of the open project. The are economic factors to consider like: what plataform is more popular? what plataform has the cheaper specialist ? What plataform promisses more to the future ? PHP+MYSQL, ASP/C#+SQLSERVER, JAVA+ORACLE, or PYTHON+ZOPE? Also I would like to say that type of pratic is crucial for the keeping the existence of the open project! See a eGruoupware developing bellow my legs is a little frightened. (www.egroupware.org). I would like to share my studies and my visions with you, so I am initianting this with the file attached. Maybe we can think to create a project for this in the own tikiwiki. Who ko= nws ? Tikiwiki has to colaborate to improve itself. Thanks everybody. Marcel On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:30:20 -0500, Jason Diceman <jd-...@co...> wrote: > Hi all >=20 > In my experience, the biggest reason why people don't adopt TikiWiki is t= hat > is confusing. The shear number of features and options scares people who > just want a blog, wiki or page based CMS. As well, I've heard many smart > people complain about the poor usability, e.g. learning how to set > permissions or apply a custom menu is not easy. >=20 > Personally, I think that the tiki mods approach will bring new and exitin= g > innovation to TikiWiki that could help it rise. But an additional strate= gy > would be to create some new themes and better documentation that more > clearly address the key needs of CMS users. I'll be working on this in = the > new year. >=20 > And by the way, VHS won because it had more storage capacity: people coul= d > record 8 hours on VHS and only 3.25 on Beta. >=20 > Cheers >=20 > - jd - - >=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tik...@li... [mailto:tikiwiki-users= - > > ad...@li...] On Behalf Of Dani Oderbolz > > Sent: December 16, 2004 12:49 PM > > To: tik...@li... > > Subject: [Tikiwiki-users] Re: WHY THE TIKIWIKI'S SCORE IS SO BAD ? > > > > Marcel Ferrante wrote: > > > > >Guys, I feel that something wrong. > > >Looking at CMSMATRIX.ORG, the score of tikiwiki is low=3D20 > > >in almost all parameters. But, the tikiwiki has many=3D20 > > >features that aren't has in the "better cms" like xoops and > > >post-nuke. > > >Doesn't make sense for me. Anyone knows the reason for that ? > > >Or we choose the wrong open source project ? > > > > > > > > Well, these things are allways hard to say. > > Why did we end up with VHS rather than Betamax? > > Why gets mysql much more and postgres much less attention than it > > deserves? > > It could have to do with Marketing, > > or just with some kind og Lemming effect, I don't know. > > The other question (which seems more important to me) is > > if one should care. > > In the VHS case, its obvious: if you did not change, there were no fils > > left > > to be seen. > > But with an OpenSource CMS this is less of a concern (if you speak for > > a company, however, this might be different). > > I think its unfair to judge a system by its popularity, > > that doesnt necessarily say something about the quality. > > Besides, I did not see the criteria of cmsmatrix.org, > > maybe they just did not do their job? > > > > Regards, > > Dani > > > > -- > > Daniel Oderbolz > > Jagowstrasse 13 > > D-10555 Berlin > > > > http://www.swissbytes.de > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > > Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users= . > > Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. > > http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Tikiwiki-users mailing list > > Tik...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tikiwiki-users > > >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. > Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. > http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Tikiwiki-users mailing list > Tik...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tikiwiki-users >=20 --=20 Marcel Ferrante Silva Especialista em Gest=E3o da Informa=E7=E3o www.finaltec.com.br (31) 8851-9069 3499-6797 ICQ:218148957 MSN: mar...@ho... |