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Re: [Tikiwiki-devel] repo.tikiwiki.org | An idea
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From: Aldo <ax...@gm...> - 2009-06-15 21:50:37
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Yes, you are right! But it wasn't my intention to limit the access to tikiwiki, only imho, SVN don't give the powerful than git does. But despite the fact, I didn't have in consideration the community itself, and yes, moving a delicate piece of software (maybe with 300 active developers) could be very difficult, and more if we considering for example your case. Only I want to show you that there are more possibilities that can be useful for us (I mean, for the Tikiwiki philosophy itself). In the case of Git, people like Linux Kernel developers are using it, and Perl, and gnome, and android ... (of course their needs are very different that we have here, and for those can be very nice). Aldo ;) On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Wings-of-Glory <kan...@gm...> wrote: > QFT. > > Kerr, Michael E (Mike) schrieb: > > The other consideration is that a lot of folks had problems getting > access just to use SVN. On many server installs, SVN is not a base install > option, so you have to request it. I personally had to fight tooth and nail > to get SVN installed, and SVN is fairly widely known. I doubt I could get > something called Git installed on our corporate images. I'm sure this would > also be an issue for many others. > > > > > > > > While it may be that it adds certain functionalities that would benefit > developers, you also have to balance that with the question of it possibly > cutting down the developer pool because the software isn't available to > everybody. > > > > > > > > Anybody who works or uses a Linux environment that is static with a > particular Red Hat Enterprise Release, for example, does not have access to > Git, and if the maintainers of those systems will only support the Red Hat > Enterprise Release with nothing else (like me) then they're left out. I had > to call in favours to get SVN added to our production server here. I > believe it is now part of one of the more recent RHEL versions, so at least > folks running a recent RHEL release have access to it. > > > > > > > > I'm usually all for change that can improve things, but when it comes to > involving critical software development tools where the playing field is > uneven, then I usually advocate the lowest common denominator. I would have > preferred to stay with CVS because everybody has access to a version of it, > no matter the platform. SVN wasn't a bad move because it is pretty much > mainstream now and synonymous with CVS. Moving to anything other than those > two, I think you would probably lose a lot of fringe developers who can't > get Git installed on their systems. You'd certainly lose me as a developer, > not that that would be much of a loss lately. I've never heard of Git, and > unless you're a hardcore developer, others probably haven't either, so my > guess is that it is not a mainstream tool. > > > > > > > > Essentially, it comes down to this: we need more developers in Tiki, not > less. > > > > > > > > I hate to shoot down interesting ideas, but when making a decision like > that immediately cuts off a number of developers from participating, then it > turns from a constructive idea to a destructive one. At least as far as my > $0.02 go anyway. > > > > > > > > Mike. > > > > > > > > ______________________________ > > Mike Kerr > > Sr. Internet Network Engineer > > (703) 886-2251 > > mik...@ve... > > > > "I didn't come here to be ordinary." > > > > > > > > verizonbusiness > > > > global capability. personal accountability. > > http://www.verizonbusiness.com <http://www.verizonbusiness.com/> > > > > This e-mail is strictly confidential and intended only for use by the > addressee unless otherwise indicated. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Aldo [mailto:ax...@gm...] > > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:02 PM > > To: Tikiwiki developers > > Subject: Re: [Tikiwiki-devel] repo.tikiwiki.org | An idea > > > > > > > > Well, because with GIT your productivity suffer an increase. And for > migrating from SVN to GIT isn't be a pain because there are tools for doing > this automatically. > > > > The true nature of GIT (and it's real power) is the branching-merging > work flow, among the distributed way too. > > > > What means that? Suppose you grab the code. You can create in your own > copy more branches. One for experimental, you do things, and when you finish > you can merge with your own copy and again pull your changes to the main > server. Of course your branch experimental when you finish your merge, will > disappear. There are a lot of possibilities! > > > > I think that the distributed model proposed in Git, fits very well in > Tikiwiki right now. > > > > See http://git-scm.com/ if you want more info about Git, I'm pretty sure > that this soft will not disappoint you. > > > > I'm proposing a change. But very slowly change, what means that? It > means, we can try this tool (without affecting the current model), and if we > get a positive feedback, we can migrate to this tool. > > > > Aldo. > > > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Kerr, Michael E (Mike) < > mik...@ve...> wrote: > > > > It was a huge pain just to switch from CVS to SVN, why would we do it > again when SVN has pretty much everything we need? > > > > > > > > Mike. > > > > > > > > ______________________________ > > Mike Kerr > > Sr. Internet Network Engineer > > (703) 886-2251 > > mik...@ve... > > > > "I didn't come here to be ordinary." > > > > > > > > verizonbusiness > > > > global capability. personal accountability. > > http://www.verizonbusiness.com <http://www.verizonbusiness.com/> > > > > This e-mail is strictly confidential and intended only for use by the > addressee unless otherwise indicated. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Aldo [mailto:ax...@gm...] > > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 12:38 PM > > To: Tikiwiki developers > > Subject: Re: [Tikiwiki-devel] repo.tikiwiki.org | An idea > > > > > > > > Wow! > > > > Well I didn't know that! Well in the TikiFest London I'm going to talk > about the Git methodology and why it can be useful for tikiwiki. :D > > > > Aldo ;) > > > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Marc Laporte <ma...@ma...> > wrote: > > > > This message has been blocked for a while because it was too heavy. I > > approved just now. > > > > SourceForge.net now offers many more options than before: > > > http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/What%20is%20Source%20Code%20Management > ? > > > > Best regards, > > > > M ;-) > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Aldo<ax...@gm...> wrote: > >> Hi folks! > >> > >> The other day when I was navigating on the http://git.kernel.org/ I > found > >> that they're using git for source code management and gitweb as web > >> interface. So I was very curious about git, and I dug into the doc page. > I > >> found git is very powerful and very easy to understand, take a look at > its > >> site http://git-scm.com/documentation and it has tools for migrating > from > >> svn to git. > >> > >> So I started to think about the possibility of creating a > repo.tikiwiki.org > >> site where the developers could have all code and branches that > currently we > >> have in that site. So anyone could grab the code in a very easy way. > >> > >> All I saying here it's an idea, I know currently tikiwiki have php for > doing > >> svn things like create one branch or something like that (in git is very > >> easy to create branches and merging). > >> > >> An for the server option I have one account in dreamhost that right now > I'm > >> not using so it's can be a good site for placing the repo site if you > like > >> the idea. > >> > >> I created a demo on my localhost to show you how could be the repo site. > >> > >> Plz share your thoughts, guys! > >> > >> -- > >> Aldo Borrero González > >> Estudiante de Ingeniería Técnica en Informática de Sistemas > >> Universidad de Alcalá de Henares > >> > > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial > >> Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited > >> royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing > >> server and web deployment. > >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Tikiwiki-devel mailing list > >> Tik...@li... > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tikiwiki-devel > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Marc Laporte > > > > http://MarcLaporte.com > > http://TikiWiki.org/MarcLaporte > > http://AvanTech.net > > http://OurWiki.net > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial > > Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited > > royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing > > server and web deployment. > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects > > _______________________________________________ > > Tikiwiki-devel mailing list > > Tik...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tikiwiki-devel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial > > Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited > > royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing > > server and web deployment. > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Tikiwiki-devel mailing list > > Tik...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tikiwiki-devel > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial > Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited > royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing > server and web deployment. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects > _______________________________________________ > Tikiwiki-devel mailing list > Tik...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tikiwiki-devel > -- Aldo Borrero González Estudiante de Ingeniería Técnica en Informática de Sistemas Universidad de Alcalá de Henares |