Re: [Thyapi-developers] Congrats on new release. Some comments.

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

> From: "frank" <fr...@th...>
> Sent: 2005 August 23 Tuesday 07:07
>

>> Em Seg, 2005-08-22 =E0s 21:29 -0400, Leif W escreveu:
>
> But it is not a matter of choice, we choose it because there are a=20
> very
> complicated situation in natural life in our country, some day I will
> write something about in faq and will be clear why we choose this.

Well, a moment to consider it ...

While the amount of life in the rain forests far surpasses that of my=20
temperate North American climate, I have seen natural habitats destroyed=20
for protected species, within the neghborhood of my own childhood.=20
House builders simply paid money to local politicians, hired attorneys=20
that none of us normal people can afford, and ignored several government=20
studies declaring the land as home for a spawning ground for amphibians.=20
It feels like there's nothing I can do.  It seems like most people have=20
the sole purpose to be greedy and destroy defenseless life, regardless=20
of the consequences.  They can see only as far ahead as 18 months,=20
perhaps in some cases as far as their retirement or their children's=20
young adulthood.  No farther.  As long as their houses are big, their=20
bellies are fat, and their kids can live life stupid instead of learning=20
and working and making contributions, then people will be hell-bent on=20
ensuring their income is maintained or usually that it grows=20
disproportionaly compared to inflation.  They won't be satisfied until=20
the planet is a deserted wasteland, devoid of all life but humans,=20
bacteria and cockroaches.  All they can think is that they'll make a=20
fortune selling services that mother nature previously provided free of=20
charge, free of thought, free of worry, services that are far=20
inadequate, inefficient, and inferior to nature.  (Think of the energy=20
spent to make activated carbon, plastics, metals, computers to design=20
and manufacture water filtration systems, which work for a few weeks or=20
months then fill a dump and release poisons, killing off more life, and=20
you can imagine that when man tries to do the job of nature, the result=20
is exponentially raised to the exponential degree more wasteful).  Even=20
then, the earth may yet survive.  Of course, the past 4.5 billion years=20
of evolution will have been destroyed within the last 200 years, the=20
cosmic equivalency of spontaneous combustion, the nature and the legacy=20
of mankind.  However the earth will survive us all and will start the=20
process of life again, so long as conditions exist for amino acids to=20
form.  But with a sun's life span of about 20 billion years, and no=20
guarantee that conditions for the creation of life will ever exist=20
again, it is beyond foolish, it is treacherous and dangerous, to risk=20
all the marvelous forms of life that do exist.  I've been aware of=20
things since childhood, and also that the only solution is to kill a=20
whole lot of people to relieve the strain upon natural resources, and to=20
go back to a pre-industrial, agrarian way of life, with all tools being=20
made by hand from animal, wood, or stone, no metals, which involves=20
mining and smelting and the destructions and poisons that birngs.  I've=20
yet to meet anyone willing to do this, much less walk the 500 feet to=20
the corner store instead of driving their SUV and leave it running for=20
10 minutes while they go inside.

>>  Personally, I need to see
>> numbers or dates, I need to know what version is newer than another.=20
>> I
>
> I do agree with you, probably there are more people in this situation,
> so my proposal is we. keep the version numbers in dowload files. What=20
> do
> you think about? Thake a look in concisus in sf, we are already doing=20
> it
>
>> package-version-date-genus-species.  I realize that this necessitates
>
> :)

Err, I hope that explaiend what I thought as the best compromise.  In=20
any case, names of endangered species are better than the sort of names=20
I'd come up with, "Spinning Wheel", "Flippant Punk", "Swallow=20
Didjeridoo", "Black Flamingo" ...

>> * Looking forward to learning how to backport any browser-specific=20
>> bugs
>> to DynAPI proper.
>>
> We did not time to send our correction to Dynapi, yet. Because we are
> having a lot of job here, and we are try to run our business in a very
> hard time... but we will do it soon.

Well, I do have diff for files that are fairly similar, and text editors=20
otherwise.  Mainly I meant that I'd like to fix some of the bugs in=20
DynAPI, maybe by seeing if it existed in ThyAPI, and if not, how it was=20
solved.  If you did that, it would be really great, but I didn't expect=20
it.  It's hard enough to start a business, and very hard when you give=20
away the software for free.  You get paid entirely for skill and=20
original work, not like other companies that simply collect money for=20
past achievements, and do little to innovate.  So I understand, focus on=20
that rather than any other project.

>> * Wondering how you handled the automatic documentation system.
>>
> This was a serious question. We are php developers, so the first=20
> option
> was the phpdoc, however we did not have success in using it to perform
> javascript, and php documentation at same time. Probably my fault=20
> again,
> I was the guy to select the documentation tool. Well I did tested  lot=20
> o
> softwares to make this documentation. The goal was find a simple to=20
> use
> and fast to implement. Translation: I do not want learn a new
> programming language to document our code. During the tests I found
> Natural docs. A simple perl script in the svn pre commit and we have=20
> all
> code Documented at each commit.  That was enough for us. I future we
> will improve Natural docs javascript documentation and get even better
> result, at least I am learning perl for that...:)
> By the way that was another terrible mistake, we should put it on our
> site.

The topic was discussed a bit on the DynAPI mailing lists, with no solid=20
conclusions.  The best guesses were that DynAPI prototyping method would=20
need to be changed, or some other existing doc tool would need to be=20
made to understand, or some combination of both.  A non-trivial task.=20
jsdoc was one program mentioned.  Natural Docs looks impressive.  I=20
think there was another one mentioned, I forget.  Apart from bug fixing=20
and client-server stuff, auto generated docs I think are the most=20
important for DynAPI, followed closely by examples as part of a=20
comprehensive and cohesive tutorial, like the old DynDuo.

>> Well, keep up the good work and best regards to you all,
>
> No thank you for being using our project, and for suggestions.

Well, not so much a user of either (Dyn|Thy)API project, oddly as it=20
sounds.  I'm just trying to maintain DynAPI as best I can in spare time.=20
:p

Leif