Re: [Thinstation-developer] TSOM Slovenia Shutdown time

[Mike Eriksen <thinstation.mike@gm...>]

On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Boštjan Berglez
<bostjan.berglez@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I must inform you that I will shutdown Slovenian TS-O-Matic server in the
> end of April 2008.
>
> The reason is my change of job and I will no longer have access to the
> server room and company internet access.

Well, first congratulations with your new job. Second, thank you for a
long and careful hosting of TS-O-Matic. Many, many people has
benefited from your work!

I'll abuse this moment to ask for others to pick up the task to host a
TS-O-Matic. We have many users in Germany, Russia and Brazil, so it
would be obvious to look at these countries.

Mike

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[Thinstation-developer] TSOM Slovenia Shutdown time

[Boštjan Berglez <bostjan.berglez@ko...>]

Hi,

 

I must inform you that I will shutdown Slovenian TS-O-Matic server in the end of April 2008.

The reason is my change of job and I will no longer have access to the server room and company internet access.

 

Best Regards

 

Bostjan Berglez

[Thinstation-developer] Hp Laserjet 1020, 1022 support in thinstation

[Vinod Nadiadwala <thinwala@gm...>]

Hi, there,
             I am using thinstation 2.1 with windows 2003 server, i am
trying to get print from hp laserjet 1020 printer, it cannot print,
also tryied to search drivers for windows 2003 for the same but no
success, and another one laserjet 1022 works with TS, but after some
time use it gives spool.exe error, i think these drivers dont support
terminal services, anybody used these two printers with success with
Thinstation under windows 2003 ?

             I searched mailing list archive got this link
http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com/, but these drivers are for linux, anybody
can help me with this issue ? or tell me how to use laserjet 1020/1022
printer with TS.


Thanks in advance.


Vino...

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Re: [Thinstation-developer] ICA now also working with xorg73

[S. J. van Harmelen <svanharmelen@xi...>]

On Sat, 2008-03-22 at 19:06 +1100, Trevor Batley wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-03-21 at 15:06 +0100, S. J. van Harmelen wrote:
> > Hi Trevor,
> > 
> > I don't get any mails from the list at this moment, but I assume that
> > they will be delivered later on so I'll just go ahead and send this
> > one :)
> > 
> > I managed to get ICA working. I found out where the 75dpi dir came from
> > in TS2.2.1 and saw that I probably screwed something up while testing
> > with TS2.3 because I didn't get it anymore although I selected the right
> > packages.
> > 
> > So I went ahead and untarred a fresh TS2.3 and put in my packages. Now I
> > did get the 75dpi dir, but still ICA would not start. So I updated all
> > the files in the 75dpi dir from the xorg7 source tree and gave it
> > another go. Unfortunately still without any luck.
> > 
> > But when I just copy the entire 75dpi dir from source to the TS2.3 tree,
> > then it does work without any errors. So I will see if I can find out
> > which fonts it is that ICA needs and just add that one (or see if I can
> > change the one ICA needs to another one already in the 75dpi dir).
> 
> I guess we should look at the utils/build_maps/create_fonts.sh script.
> Haven't explored how/why it's there but it only looks at specific
> fonts....

OK, will have a look at it to...

Sander

> 
> Trevor B
> > 
> > Concerning the size of the share/X11/local and share/icons folder, they
> > seem not to have a big influence to the size of the initrd. When I build
> > a initrd in TS2.2.1 with some specific options, and then build it again
> > in TS2.3 with exactly the same options, the difference is ~1.4MB.
> > 
> > And then we should remember that the 2.2MB libGLcore is also in that
> > same package. So I don't think that it's that bad. It's bigger then with
> > xorg6, but not that much...
> > 
> > Well I'll go on, but just wanted to let you know my findings.
> > 
> > Sander
> > 
> > 
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Re: [Thinstation-developer] ICA now also working with xorg73

[S. J. van Harmelen <svanharmelen@xi...>]

On Sat, 2008-03-22 at 18:53 +1100, Trevor Batley wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-03-21 at 15:06 +0100, S. J. van Harmelen wrote:
> > Hi Trevor,
> > 
> > I don't get any mails from the list at this moment, but I assume that
> > they will be delivered later on so I'll just go ahead and send this
> > one :)
> > 
> > I managed to get ICA working. I found out where the 75dpi dir came from
> > in TS2.2.1 and saw that I probably screwed something up while testing
> > with TS2.3 because I didn't get it anymore although I selected the right
> > packages.
> > 
> > So I went ahead and untarred a fresh TS2.3 and put in my packages. Now I
> > did get the 75dpi dir, but still ICA would not start. So I updated all
> > the files in the 75dpi dir from the xorg7 source tree and gave it
> > another go. Unfortunately still without any luck.
> > 
> > But when I just copy the entire 75dpi dir from source to the TS2.3 tree,
> > then it does work without any errors. So I will see if I can find out
> > which fonts it is that ICA needs and just add that one (or see if I can
> > change the one ICA needs to another one already in the 75dpi dir).
> > 
> I copied over the 75dpi, encodings, misc & utils directories from the
> compiled area. I ALSO copied the Type1 into
> packages/fonts-type1/lib/X11/fonts and changed the
> packages/fonts-type1/lib/X11/fs/config file to point at X11R7 rather
> than X11R6 and seemed to avoid any problems (ie. wfica started and
> complained about my settings (which is what I usually get as I know
> NOTHING about ica).

Did you copy over the whole dirs, or just some files from the dirs?
Copying over everything makes the initrd quite big, so we should only
copy over the files we need and not the whole dirs.

I tried to find out what files are needed for ICA to start without any
problems, but did not have time enough to pin-point it just yet.

Sander


> 
> Trevor B
> 
> > Concerning the size of the share/X11/local and share/icons folder, they
> > seem not to have a big influence to the size of the initrd. When I build
> > a initrd in TS2.2.1 with some specific options, and then build it again
> > in TS2.3 with exactly the same options, the difference is ~1.4MB.
> > 
> > And then we should remember that the 2.2MB libGLcore is also in that
> > same package. So I don't think that it's that bad. It's bigger then with
> > xorg6, but not that much...
> > 
> > Well I'll go on, but just wanted to let you know my findings.
> > 
> > Sander
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [Thinstation-developer] ThinStation 3.0 fails downloading packages

[Christoph Peus <cp@pe...>]

Trevor Batley wrote:

> It works, but without most of the dynamic functionality of the 2.x
> series at the moment (ie. thinstation.conf<whatever>)

I ran into this problem too and found a simple solution - which is far 
from perfect of course. From a mail I wrote to Antti some time ago:

> In the original build script from 2.2 you find the following:
> 
> echo -e "Setting basepath"
> 
> if [ -e $PACDIR/basename.param ]; then
>   if [ -e $PACDIR/basename.param ]; then
>     echo "BASENAME=$ts_basename" >> ./tmp-tree/etc/thinstation.defaults
>   elif [ "$ts_basename" = "." ] ; then
>     echo "BASENAME=" >> ./tmp-tree/etc/thinstation.defaults
>   fi
> else
>     echo "BASENAME=thinstation" >> ./tmp-tree/etc/thinstation.defaults
> fi
> 
> if [ -e $PACDIR/basepath.param ]; then
>     echo "BASEPATH=$ts_basepath" >> ./tmp-tree/etc/thinstation.defaults
> else
>     echo "BASEPATH=." >> ./tmp-tree/etc/thinstation.defaults
> fi
> 
> 
> In the new build system there seems to be no analog code to put the BASEPATH into the thinstation.defaults file. As a workaround I "hardcoded" my values directly into the thinstation.defaults file of the ts-base package, and this works for me now. But it would be mutch better to make the build process do this.
> (Besides that I had to put NET_FILE_ENABLED=On into thinstation.conf.buildtime to make it work.)

Regards
Christoph

Re: [Thinstation-developer] ThinStation 3.0 fails downloading packages

[Trevor Batley <trevorbatley@us...>]

Hoping Antti will be able to help here.

I have compiled a TS3.0, but didn't include any additional drivers over
the standard ones antii had in the thinstation setup (ie. didn't include
the amd drivers). Found a couple of dependencies that needed updating to
newer versions (the old ones had been removed from the site), but
otherwise managed to get it through.

It works, but without most of the dynamic functionality of the 2.x
series at the moment (ie. thinstation.conf<whatever>)

Trevor B

On Sun, 2008-03-23 at 21:24 +0100, Christian Schuermann wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I just wanted to give it a try but I'm stuck here
> 
> 5. Download source packages from internet (optional)
> $ bitbake -fc fetchall thinstation-image
> 
> [...]
> (try: 5) => 
> `/home/cschuer/Downloads/OpenEmbedded/build/sources/git_git.freedesktop.org.git.xorg.driver.xf86-video-amd_d4cd5d91a015088d548736831edd31760bcda88d.tar.gz'
> Connecting to http://www.oesources.org|64.136.190.225|:80... failed: Connection 
> timed out.
> Giving up.
> 
> You asked me to pull without telling me which branch you
> want to merge with, and 'branch.master.merge' in
> your configuration file does not tell me either.  Please
> name which branch you want to merge on the command line and
> try again (e.g. 'git pull <repository> <refspec>').
> See git-pull(1) for details on the refspec.
> 
> If you often merge with the same branch, you may want to
> configure the following variables in your configuration
> file:
> 
>      branch.master.remote = <nickname>
>      branch.master.merge = <remote-ref>
>      remote.<nickname>.url = <url>
>      remote.<nickname>.fetch = <refspec>
> 
> See git-config(1) for details.
> [...]
> 
> 
> oesources.org seems to be down for days now. Can someone help me out 
> with the file?
> 
> Regards, Chris
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[Thinstation-developer] ThinStation 3.0 fails downloading packages

[Christian Schuermann <huor.carnesir@ar...>]

Hi!

I just wanted to give it a try but I'm stuck here

5. Download source packages from internet (optional)
$ bitbake -fc fetchall thinstation-image

[...]
(try: 5) => 
`/home/cschuer/Downloads/OpenEmbedded/build/sources/git_git.freedesktop.org.git.xorg.driver.xf86-video-amd_d4cd5d91a015088d548736831edd31760bcda88d.tar.gz'
Connecting to http://www.oesources.org|64.136.190.225|:80... failed: Connection 
timed out.
Giving up.

You asked me to pull without telling me which branch you
want to merge with, and 'branch.master.merge' in
your configuration file does not tell me either.  Please
name which branch you want to merge on the command line and
try again (e.g. 'git pull <repository> <refspec>').
See git-pull(1) for details on the refspec.

If you often merge with the same branch, you may want to
configure the following variables in your configuration
file:

     branch.master.remote = <nickname>
     branch.master.merge = <remote-ref>
     remote.<nickname>.url = <url>
     remote.<nickname>.fetch = <refspec>

See git-config(1) for details.
[...]


oesources.org seems to be down for days now. Can someone help me out 
with the file?

Regards, Chris

Re: [Thinstation-developer] Change gcc version

[Christian Schuermann <huor.carnesir@ar...>]

Trevor Batley wrote:

>>>    version `GLIBCXX_3.4.4' not found
>>>
> Stable release of GLIBC is 2.7.......
> 
> I wouldn't even know where to get GLIBC 3.4.4

As far as I understand [1], it's searching for libgcc_s >= 4.0.0 (or 
maybe libstdc++ >= .6.0.4, or both, I'm not really sure).

> 2.3b1 uses gcc 3.4.4 & glibc 2.3.5 (although I might look at glibc 2.7
> to see if it is smaller - but a glibc change is potentially HUGE for a
> full distro).

I was afraid you might say that. Unfortunately Thinstation 3.0 fails to 
fetch "xf86-video-amd" from oesources.org (seems that they have been 
down for almost two weeks now).

Thanks anyway, Chris


[1] http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/libstdc++/abi.html

Re: [Thinstation-developer] Change gcc version

[Trevor Batley <trevorbatley@us...>]

Ah,

found your first post. Must have missed it....

On Sat, 2008-03-08 at 11:22 +0100, Christian Schürmann wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I would like to run USBServer [1] on my thinstation. The usb kernel 
> driver is GPLed but the actual Server seems to be binary-only. When I 
> try to start it on my thin client it says something like
> 
>    version `GLIBCXX_3.4.4' not found
> 
> I guess, the binary has been compiled with gcc >= 4. Is there a chance 
> to get this to run? Is there a (more or less) easy way to exchange gcc 
> in the buildroot and recompile everything?

You can try and add a gcc >= 4 into the tree, but are you going to
compile everything? Major undertaking, especially when there have been
MANY regression issues with gcc 4. Main reason we, and many others, are
still with GCC 3 (although if we can get 2.3b2 & 2.2.2 out, I might look
at it for 2.4 as a part of a complete update of the env).

Even then, what does that give you? The binary is looking for a specific
GLIBC. You could compile that with GCC 4 and see.....

Trevor B
PS. TS 3.0 uses GCC 4.1 & GLIBC 2.5
> 
> Background: I would like to use some smartcard reader on the linux 
> server which my thin client connects to. As far as I know there is no 
> way to talk to the pcscd running on the thin client so that an 
> application running on the server can use the smartcard (please cmiiw). 
> There is a project called libchipcard [2] which provides a client/server 
> framework to talk with the smartcard reader via tcp/ip. This works 
> flawlessly here, but unfortunately I have not been able to compile it 
> for thinstation.
> Maybe I am completly wrong here, and there is an easy way (somthing like 
>   -r scard with rdesktop) to do this.
> 
> 
> Regards, Chris
> 
> 
> [1] http://usb-server.com/product.html
> [2] http://www.libchipcard.de/
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Re: [Thinstation-developer] Change gcc version

[Trevor Batley <trevorbatley@us...>]

On Sat, 2008-03-22 at 15:37 +0100, Christian Schuermann wrote:
> Hi again!
> 
> Christian Schürmann wrote:
> > I would like to run USBServer [1] on my thinstation.
> 
> Since nobody answered here, I tried my luck with a diskless fedora 
> environment and whooohooo it works! Now I can share devices between thin 
> client and server without caring about the drivers and apps on the 
> thinclient.
> But of course there is a catch. Fedora diskless is rather big and rather 
> slow compared with ThinStation. Is there really no way to include a 
> precompiled binary (proprietary) in ThinStation? Whenever I start the 
> binary I get
> 
> > 
> >    version `GLIBCXX_3.4.4' not found
> > 
Stable release of GLIBC is 2.7.......

I wouldn't even know where to get GLIBC 3.4.4

2.3b1 uses gcc 3.4.4 & glibc 2.3.5 (although I might look at glibc 2.7
to see if it is smaller - but a glibc change is potentially HUGE for a
full distro).

If you can find the source you can always compile it in the thinstation
chrooted compile environment and try it (look at
utils/scripts/update_libc.sh).

Good Luck
Trevor B
> 
> Thanks for your help in advance.
> 
> Regards, Chris
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Re: [Thinstation-developer] Change gcc version

[Christian Schuermann <huor.carnesir@ar...>]

Hi Mike,

Mike Eriksen wrote:
>>  Is there really no way to include a
>>  precompiled binary (proprietary) in ThinStation? Whenever I start the
>>  binary I get
>>
>>
>>  >
>>  >    version `GLIBCXX_3.4.4' not found
>>  >
> 
> If you need to run a non-native binary, you should try to get a
> statically linked version. It is much bigger than one with shared
> libs, but it normally works.

Good idea, but since there is no source code (proprietary software) and 
the author linked it against glibc I guess my chances are pretty bad. I 
already emailed those guys [1] but I didn't get any reply. It's pretty 
dumb because compiling it statically is just an effort of a few minutes 
(for them).

Regards, Chris



[1] http://usb-server.com/product.html

Re: [Thinstation-developer] Change gcc version

[Mike Eriksen <thinstation.mike@gm...>]

On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Christian Schuermann
<huor.carnesir@...> wrote:
> Hi again!
>
>
>  Christian Schürmann wrote:
>  > I would like to run USBServer [1] on my thinstation.
>
>  Since nobody answered here, I tried my luck with a diskless fedora
>  environment and whooohooo it works! Now I can share devices between thin
>  client and server without caring about the drivers and apps on the
>  thinclient.
>  But of course there is a catch. Fedora diskless is rather big and rather
>  slow compared with ThinStation. Is there really no way to include a
>  precompiled binary (proprietary) in ThinStation? Whenever I start the
>  binary I get
>
>
>  >
>  >    version `GLIBCXX_3.4.4' not found
>  >
>
>  Thanks for your help in advance.

If you need to run a non-native binary, you should try to get a
statically linked version. It is much bigger than one with shared
libs, but it normally works.

Mike


>
>  Regards, Chris
>
>
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Re: [Thinstation-developer] Change gcc version

[Christian Schuermann <huor.carnesir@ar...>]

Hi again!

Christian Schürmann wrote:
> I would like to run USBServer [1] on my thinstation.

Since nobody answered here, I tried my luck with a diskless fedora 
environment and whooohooo it works! Now I can share devices between thin 
client and server without caring about the drivers and apps on the 
thinclient.
But of course there is a catch. Fedora diskless is rather big and rather 
slow compared with ThinStation. Is there really no way to include a 
precompiled binary (proprietary) in ThinStation? Whenever I start the 
binary I get

> 
>    version `GLIBCXX_3.4.4' not found
> 

Thanks for your help in advance.

Regards, Chris

Re: [Thinstation-developer] ICA now also working with xorg73

[Trevor Batley <trevorbatley@us...>]

On Fri, 2008-03-21 at 15:06 +0100, S. J. van Harmelen wrote:
> Hi Trevor,
> 
> I don't get any mails from the list at this moment, but I assume that
> they will be delivered later on so I'll just go ahead and send this
> one :)
> 
> I managed to get ICA working. I found out where the 75dpi dir came from
> in TS2.2.1 and saw that I probably screwed something up while testing
> with TS2.3 because I didn't get it anymore although I selected the right
> packages.
> 
> So I went ahead and untarred a fresh TS2.3 and put in my packages. Now I
> did get the 75dpi dir, but still ICA would not start. So I updated all
> the files in the 75dpi dir from the xorg7 source tree and gave it
> another go. Unfortunately still without any luck.
> 
> But when I just copy the entire 75dpi dir from source to the TS2.3 tree,
> then it does work without any errors. So I will see if I can find out
> which fonts it is that ICA needs and just add that one (or see if I can
> change the one ICA needs to another one already in the 75dpi dir).

I guess we should look at the utils/build_maps/create_fonts.sh script.
Haven't explored how/why it's there but it only looks at specific
fonts....

Trevor B
> 
> Concerning the size of the share/X11/local and share/icons folder, they
> seem not to have a big influence to the size of the initrd. When I build
> a initrd in TS2.2.1 with some specific options, and then build it again
> in TS2.3 with exactly the same options, the difference is ~1.4MB.
> 
> And then we should remember that the 2.2MB libGLcore is also in that
> same package. So I don't think that it's that bad. It's bigger then with
> xorg6, but not that much...
> 
> Well I'll go on, but just wanted to let you know my findings.
> 
> Sander
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Thinstation-developer] ICA now also working with xorg73

[Trevor Batley <trevorbatley@us...>]

On Fri, 2008-03-21 at 15:06 +0100, S. J. van Harmelen wrote:
> Hi Trevor,
> 
> I don't get any mails from the list at this moment, but I assume that
> they will be delivered later on so I'll just go ahead and send this
> one :)
> 
> I managed to get ICA working. I found out where the 75dpi dir came from
> in TS2.2.1 and saw that I probably screwed something up while testing
> with TS2.3 because I didn't get it anymore although I selected the right
> packages.
> 
> So I went ahead and untarred a fresh TS2.3 and put in my packages. Now I
> did get the 75dpi dir, but still ICA would not start. So I updated all
> the files in the 75dpi dir from the xorg7 source tree and gave it
> another go. Unfortunately still without any luck.
> 
> But when I just copy the entire 75dpi dir from source to the TS2.3 tree,
> then it does work without any errors. So I will see if I can find out
> which fonts it is that ICA needs and just add that one (or see if I can
> change the one ICA needs to another one already in the 75dpi dir).
> 
I copied over the 75dpi, encodings, misc & utils directories from the
compiled area. I ALSO copied the Type1 into
packages/fonts-type1/lib/X11/fonts and changed the
packages/fonts-type1/lib/X11/fs/config file to point at X11R7 rather
than X11R6 and seemed to avoid any problems (ie. wfica started and
complained about my settings (which is what I usually get as I know
NOTHING about ica).

Trevor B

> Concerning the size of the share/X11/local and share/icons folder, they
> seem not to have a big influence to the size of the initrd. When I build
> a initrd in TS2.2.1 with some specific options, and then build it again
> in TS2.3 with exactly the same options, the difference is ~1.4MB.
> 
> And then we should remember that the 2.2MB libGLcore is also in that
> same package. So I don't think that it's that bad. It's bigger then with
> xorg6, but not that much...
> 
> Well I'll go on, but just wanted to let you know my findings.
> 
> Sander
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Thinstation-developer] ICA now also working with xorg73

[Trevor Batley <trevorbatley@us...>]

On Sat, 2008-03-22 at 13:31 +1100, Trevor Batley wrote:
> > Hmmm, I'm not sure why it needs the 75dpi. Xorg7 doesn't seem to
> > generate a 75dpi structure at all. Maybe it's something we have in the x
> > script. Anyway, I'm doing a little reading on XOrg7 fonts to fully
> > understand.
> > 
> Ahh, my build of the fonts failed (some silly permissions error), so
> only the adobe 100dpi appeared to be built. Need to fix the error and
> see which ones we really need.

OK, my attempt to do a minimal compile of the apps caused me grief
(bdftopcf is required to make the fonts - I guess there are others as
well).

I guess that the trick is to compile them all, but just copy across the
ones we want.

Sigh!!
Trevor B

> Trevor B
> 
> > One thing I did notice was that a number of other people had similar
> > problems and runnning mkfontdir helped (which might need to be included
> > in the build or init.d). Will look into this further.
> > > 
> 
> 
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Re: [Thinstation-developer] ICA now also working with xorg73

[Trevor Batley <trevorbatley@us...>]

> Hmmm, I'm not sure why it needs the 75dpi. Xorg7 doesn't seem to
> generate a 75dpi structure at all. Maybe it's something we have in the x
> script. Anyway, I'm doing a little reading on XOrg7 fonts to fully
> understand.
> 
Ahh, my build of the fonts failed (some silly permissions error), so
only the adobe 100dpi appeared to be built. Need to fix the error and
see which ones we really need.

Trevor B

> One thing I did notice was that a number of other people had similar
> problems and runnning mkfontdir helped (which might need to be included
> in the build or init.d). Will look into this further.
> > 

Re: [Thinstation-developer] ICA now also working with xorg73

[Trevor Batley <trevorbatley@us...>]

On Fri, 2008-03-21 at 15:06 +0100, S. J. van Harmelen wrote:
> Hi Trevor,
> 
> I don't get any mails from the list at this moment, but I assume that
> they will be delivered later on so I'll just go ahead and send this
> one :)
> 
> I managed to get ICA working. I found out where the 75dpi dir came from
> in TS2.2.1 and saw that I probably screwed something up while testing
> with TS2.3 because I didn't get it anymore although I selected the right
> packages.
> 
> So I went ahead and untarred a fresh TS2.3 and put in my packages. Now I
> did get the 75dpi dir, but still ICA would not start. So I updated all
> the files in the 75dpi dir from the xorg7 source tree and gave it
> another go. Unfortunately still without any luck.
> 
> But when I just copy the entire 75dpi dir from source to the TS2.3 tree,
> then it does work without any errors. So I will see if I can find out
> which fonts it is that ICA needs and just add that one (or see if I can
> change the one ICA needs to another one already in the 75dpi dir).

Hmmm, I'm not sure why it needs the 75dpi. Xorg7 doesn't seem to
generate a 75dpi structure at all. Maybe it's something we have in the x
script. Anyway, I'm doing a little reading on XOrg7 fonts to fully
understand.

One thing I did notice was that a number of other people had similar
problems and runnning mkfontdir helped (which might need to be included
in the build or init.d). Will look into this further.
> 
> Concerning the size of the share/X11/local and share/icons folder, they
> seem not to have a big influence to the size of the initrd. When I build
> a initrd in TS2.2.1 with some specific options, and then build it again
> in TS2.3 with exactly the same options, the difference is ~1.4MB.
> 
> And then we should remember that the 2.2MB libGLcore is also in that
> same package. So I don't think that it's that bad. It's bigger then with
> xorg6, but not that much...

And I'm sure that we could probably trim a little more. I don't think we
need to worry about it for 2.3b2, but will continue to try to minimise.

Thanks again for all of your hard work Sander
Trevor B
> 
> Well I'll go on, but just wanted to let you know my findings.
> 
> Sander
> 
> 
> 
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[Thinstation-developer] ICA now also working with xorg73

[S. J. van Harmelen <svanharmelen@xi...>]

Hi Trevor,

I don't get any mails from the list at this moment, but I assume that
they will be delivered later on so I'll just go ahead and send this
one :)

I managed to get ICA working. I found out where the 75dpi dir came from
in TS2.2.1 and saw that I probably screwed something up while testing
with TS2.3 because I didn't get it anymore although I selected the right
packages.

So I went ahead and untarred a fresh TS2.3 and put in my packages. Now I
did get the 75dpi dir, but still ICA would not start. So I updated all
the files in the 75dpi dir from the xorg7 source tree and gave it
another go. Unfortunately still without any luck.

But when I just copy the entire 75dpi dir from source to the TS2.3 tree,
then it does work without any errors. So I will see if I can find out
which fonts it is that ICA needs and just add that one (or see if I can
change the one ICA needs to another one already in the 75dpi dir).

Concerning the size of the share/X11/local and share/icons folder, they
seem not to have a big influence to the size of the initrd. When I build
a initrd in TS2.2.1 with some specific options, and then build it again
in TS2.3 with exactly the same options, the difference is ~1.4MB.

And then we should remember that the 2.2MB libGLcore is also in that
same package. So I don't think that it's that bad. It's bigger then with
xorg6, but not that much...

Well I'll go on, but just wanted to let you know my findings.

Sander

Re: [Thinstation-developer] Xorg7 ready for testing :)

[S. J. van Harmelen <svh@dd...>]

Sorry for double posting, but I used the wrong emailadres which is not
allowed by the list (at least I do not recieve the mail true the list
that is).

On Fri, 2008-03-21 at 19:14 +1100, Trevor Batley wrote:
> Great work... I am using your packages.
> 
> On Wed, 2008-03-19 at 11:43 +0100, S. J. van Harmelen wrote:
> > Hi folks...
> > 
> > Well, I think xorg7 is ready for some testing. The package is NOT
> > finished yet, but I'm a little stuck at this moment. So I hope someone
> > will step up and give me a hand so that xorg7 can be finished.
> > 
> > The problems that need to be fixed are the locale and the fonts errors:
> > 
> > Running xterm
> > xterm -tn linux -fn 6x13
> > Warning: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C
> > Warning: X locale modifiers not supported, using default
> > Warning: Unable to load any usable ISO8859 font
> > Failed to open input method
> 
> I noticed that you hadn't copied over the generated share directory and
> it's underlings (share/X11/locale, share/icons). I copied those over and
> have no errors when running xterm -tn linux -fn 6x13.

Is everything in these directories nessesairy? Or can we strip a bunch
of files? This adds another 6MB to the xorg7 package which is allready 3
MB larger (mainly because of the 2.2MB libGLcore adds) then the xorg6
package was (I didn't count the extra libs from packages/lib, just the
difference between the original xorg6 package and the xorg7 package I
created with the added share/X11/locale and share/icons dirs).

> 
> Still some font errors with icewm, but that can be reduced by commented
> out the hardcoded _adobe references in the
> packages/icew/etc/icewm/themes/xp/default.theme file
> > 
> > For some apps this is not a problem. rxvt for example starts without any
> > problems and doesn't even report an error. xterm will also start, but
> > does report the errors. The ICA client on the other also reports the
> > errors but will not start at all after that. So the errors need to be
> > fixed asap.
> 
> Need to do some testing here.

I tried to get ICA going but it kept failing. So just for testing I
added the whole newly compiled 75dpi dir from the development tree into
packages/xorg7/lib/X11/fonts and now (besides having an issue with
the .ICAClient dir not being in /home/ts/) it works great.

So I checked in TS2.2.1 how it was done there and where the 75dpi dir
was, but found that it was not there...!! So how did this work in the
TS2.2.1 without the fonts dir?

Adding the dir adds 16MB to the image and so is not an option. Well
maybe totally striped down if that's possible?

Sander

Re: [Thinstation-developer] Xorg7 ready for testing :)

[S. J. van Harmelen <svanharmelen@xi...>]

On Fri, 2008-03-21 at 19:14 +1100, Trevor Batley wrote:
> Great work... I am using your packages.
> 
> On Wed, 2008-03-19 at 11:43 +0100, S. J. van Harmelen wrote:
> > Hi folks...
> > 
> > Well, I think xorg7 is ready for some testing. The package is NOT
> > finished yet, but I'm a little stuck at this moment. So I hope someone
> > will step up and give me a hand so that xorg7 can be finished.
> > 
> > The problems that need to be fixed are the locale and the fonts errors:
> > 
> > Running xterm
> > xterm -tn linux -fn 6x13
> > Warning: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C
> > Warning: X locale modifiers not supported, using default
> > Warning: Unable to load any usable ISO8859 font
> > Failed to open input method
> 
> I noticed that you hadn't copied over the generated share directory and
> it's underlings (share/X11/locale, share/icons). I copied those over and
> have no errors when running xterm -tn linux -fn 6x13.

Is everything in these directories nessesairy? Or can we strip a bunch
of files? This adds another 6MB to the xorg7 package which is allready 3
MB larger (mainly because of the 2.2MB libGLcore adds) then the xorg6
package was (I didn't count the extra libs from packages/lib, just the
difference between the original xorg6 package and the xorg7 package I
created with the added share/X11/locale and share/icons dirs).

> 
> Still some font errors with icewm, but that can be reduced by commented
> out the hardcoded _adobe references in the
> packages/icew/etc/icewm/themes/xp/default.theme file
> > 
> > For some apps this is not a problem. rxvt for example starts without any
> > problems and doesn't even report an error. xterm will also start, but
> > does report the errors. The ICA client on the other also reports the
> > errors but will not start at all after that. So the errors need to be
> > fixed asap.
> 
> Need to do some testing here.

I tried to get ICA going but it kept failing. So just for testing I
added the whole newly compiled 75dpi dir from the development tree into
packages/xorg7/lib/X11/fonts and now (besides having an issue with
the .ICAClient dir not being in /home/ts/) it works great.

So I checked in TS2.2.1 how it was done there and where the 75dpi dir
was, but found that it was not there...!! So how did this work in the
TS2.2.1 without the fonts dir?

Adding the dir adds 16MB to the image and so is not an option. Well
maybe totally striped down if that's possible?

Sander

Re: [Thinstation-developer] Xorg7 ready for testing :)

[Trevor Batley <trevorbatley@us...>]

> Also I noticed an error during the build process. It's about not being
> able to add the video.ko module. It seems like this module is no longer
> available in TS2.3 (in the .config from the kernel the option
> CONFIG_ACPI_VIDEO is no longer available), but it's still a dependency
> from ./kernel/dependencies_module/button. So I guess it just has to be
> removed from that file?

Yes. Known problem, and that is the fix. :-)

Trevor B
> 

Re: [Thinstation-developer] Invalid compressed format (err=2) or sometimes with (err=1)

[stijn maris <grimpy_ms@ho...>]

ts.bat content

loadlin vmlinuz initrd=initrd ramdisk_blocksize=4096 root=/dev/ram0





stijn maris-2 wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> I've made custom thinstation images from the nederlands, slovenia and
> denmark and also 2.2 and 2.2.1 from ts-o-matic.
> 
> But still have always the same problem when I run ts.bat, with the next
> error 
> 
>  
> 
> Uncompressing Linux...
> 
>  
> 
> Invalid compressed format (err=2) or sometimes with (err=1)
> 
>  
> 
> *       system halted
> 
>  
> 
> How can I solve this?
> 
> Fat32 is filesystem
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
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