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From: <the...@li...> - 2003-10-08 01:55:09
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Hello all! I just wanted to let you know that I've updated the website. It's quite a drastic improvement over the previous single-page fowarding site to direct people to the SF site. Any how, let the webdev list know what you think! Benjamen R. Meyer The OS Project Team Manager __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com |
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From: <the...@li...> - 2003-08-27 06:51:37
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I was looking at the settings for the lists, and noticed that SF has recently re-enabled an option that sets the 'reply-to' field to the list. Personally, this would be my preference, and I would have set it up this way to begin with if it was available at the time. So, before I do make a change, I'd like to get peoples opinions. Here's the changes I'm proposing: The...@li... -> Reply-To unmodified The...@li... -> Reply-To changed to list The...@li... -> Reply-To changed to list I'd like to collect all votes by the end of the month (August) - e.g. next Monday. Your opinions are much appreciated! Thank you! Benjamen R. Meyer The OS Project List Administrator |
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From: <the...@li...> - 2003-01-22 23:11:59
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As I am getting ready to either instantiate a new web site team or get
the old group to do something (more likely a new team), I would like to
get some content information from you guys. Currently we have a
directory that contains an Unofficial Document - the i386 Reference
Manual. It would be good to provide the web team with a good set of
links/documents to put up on the website as resource references for
everyone.
The goals of the website are to do the following:
1) Inform the world about The OS Project, who we are, our goals, etc.
2) Provide a place where people can download the latest version of our
code, and information on how to install and run it.
3) Provide help information concerning our OS.
4) Provide information on how to build an operating system
- I've found very little information on the web that can be solidly
used to create an OS. I would like our website to solidify what is out
there, and create new material - a central resource - for others for
building an OS.
- Provide Resources and/or links to resources
+-> Example: We can't really re-publish Intel's Archictecture
manuals until Intel doesn't provide them on-line, but we can provide a
link to Intel's website where the manuals can be found.
Is there more? Probably. If you think of something, please let me know.
Thanks!
Benjamen R. Meyer
The OS Project
http://theosproject.sourceforge.net/
Revolutionizing Operating Systems
http://online.securityfocus.com/columnists/131
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From: <the...@li...> - 2003-01-06 22:12:56
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FYI, I'm setting a deadline of 1 week to get at least some change or notification to me of maintained interest along with a timeline of when a new site could be expected to be up. Thanks! Ben > -----Original Message----- > From: the...@li... > [mailto:the...@li...] > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 9:02 PM > To: OS Project - WebDev > Subject: [The OS Project - WebDev] Website... > > > Will someone please update the website. If you are no longer > interested > in working on the website, please contact me so that I may update the > project and if necessary post a job opening for it. > > It is very important to me that we get a website up and running. The > resources are there, we just need to utilize them. If you want a > database account for dynamic content, then let me know so that I can > request one for the project. > > If there is any information that you need to know, please consult the > documents at the SF site, or contact me. > > Thank you! > > Benjamen R. Meyer > Project Administrator > The OS Project > > http://online.securityfocus.com/columnists/131 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > TheOSProject-WebDev mailing list > The...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/theosproject-webdev > |
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From: <the...@li...> - 2003-01-06 02:00:40
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Will someone please update the website. If you are no longer interested in working on the website, please contact me so that I may update the project and if necessary post a job opening for it. It is very important to me that we get a website up and running. The resources are there, we just need to utilize them. If you want a database account for dynamic content, then let me know so that I can request one for the project. If there is any information that you need to know, please consult the documents at the SF site, or contact me. Thank you! Benjamen R. Meyer Project Administrator The OS Project http://online.securityfocus.com/columnists/131 |
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From: <the...@li...> - 2002-10-03 03:10:29
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Hi guys. Sorry I haven't been on the list very much lately, I've been a bit busy having moved around the last month and gotten computers set up again. Karthigan - anything new with the code? Please let me know. I haven't done anything since we last talked about it. I would like to see some stuff get done. We made some good progress this summer and would like to see it continue. Web Developers - Any news on a website? We _need_ to get something up to inform people about the project, and stimulate interest. (Even though we're going rather slowly paced, stimulating interest could change that.) Please contact me with any questions. Thanks! Benjamen R. Meyer ============================================== The Toa of Programming http://my.execpc.com/CE/AC/geezer/misc/tao.txt ============================================== |
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From: <the...@li...> - 2002-08-24 04:34:27
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Please let me know what the status is of getting a new site posted for the team. Much appriciated! TIA, Ben ============================================== The Toa of Programming http://my.execpc.com/CE/AC/geezer/misc/tao.txt ============================================== |
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From: <the...@li...> - 2002-08-23 16:02:16
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> Well regarding the memory map, let us start with a
> spreadsheet. It will be
> good if we can get started on that.
Will post an excel sheet tonight.
Also, if I were to request a database account for the website, would it
be useful for this? We could get the webdev team - if they'll do some
work - to put up a page that we could login into and edit a live
"spreadsheet" (aka database created) available to all of us. It'd be a
bit of work to get it up and working, but we could also use the code for
other things like an interrupt vector table (IVT), and other areas where
we need to have a spreadsheet type thing. And we could also provide a
static view for the public to see when we're ready for the information
to go public. Any how just a thought.
> We have to remember that once we go into PM the DOS and BIOS
> interrupt
> service routines are no longer available. We have to write
> our own Interrupt
> vector table and ISRs and set it up through IDT.
> So it will be good for someone to take the job of working on
> ISRs. This
> needs to be done soon too.
I have no problem with working on ISRs - they'll be in C and I'd enjoy
the challenge. Of course, if someone else wants to step forward and take
this I'd welcome that too as I haven't much time. I just want to see
this get going.
What are the absolute basics we need from the ISR's right now?
I know we need to have one to print to the screen, and we'll need the
VGA detection before that can be completed as it will have to use some
values that will be initialized from that data (and then changed for
when we go to something higher), or perhaps we could just set something
to move the ISR to the video driver in HAL OS when it is ready. (Then
the video driver can be in print based on the mode of the video card,
and all the information will be properly initialized, etc.)
And we'll also need one for the keyboard, and another to clear the
screen. So here's what I'm thinking:
ISR 1 -> Print Screen
ISR 2 -> Keyboard->Get(&SCANCODE, &MASK) // Mask = Shift, Control, Alt,
etc with L/R values.
ISR 3 -> Disk->Read(&disk,&address, &data, &length)
ISR 4 -> Disk->Write("")
ISR 5 -> Memory_Allocate(...)
ISR 6 -> Memory_Dellocate(...)
ISR 7 -> Submit_Job(...)
ISR 8 -> Yield_Processor(...)
** Numbering to the above is irrelevant. **
We should support hard drive and floppy in the early stuff. (Floppy
first, then we can get harddrives.)
Ideas? Volunteers?
Ben
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From: <the...@li...> - 2002-07-24 03:56:19
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For those of you interested in what I am doing in relation to TOSP... The last couple days I have been doing more research, trying to find more code. I finally found a copy of nasm to install under Linux (http://sourceforge.net/projects/nasm/), and have been working on (a) trying to learn more about CVS, (b) trying to learn more assembly, and (c) trying to get more stuff into the kernel. I know we need a bit of SE, but I'm more interested in getting the project going. While you guys have been at this since Feb, I've been at it 3 years (since July '99) and would really like to get some code going. What we have so far is cool. But we need more. So what am I going to do? Well, (1) I'm going to start pushing our web developers to get us a website - or I might have to throw one together myself (which means it probably won't be too pretty). (2) I'm going to start pushing us to get some code out. I really really want to see some progression here. (3) As coding gets underway, I'm also going to push that someone document somethings - even if its me. I'm willing to throw sweat and blood into this, and have been (though not as much as I should). So, what can you guys do? (1) Get working on the assignments you have - if you want another assignment, let me know and we'll see what can be done. Volunteering is a great thing. (2) Dig up some stuff on the what we need to do. Below is what I found Monday night (7/23). (3) Get some activity into the e-mail lists. The more we talk to each other on the lists, the more details will get ironed out, and the quicker things will be able to get done. That's why I got the lists. Sorry if it feels like I'm biting the nail on the head here, I just really want to get something done, and I'm going to start doing it too.\ Right now I'm focussed on learning more Assembly , and I'm on the hunt for a good assembly tutorial, and will post stuff as I find it. Why? So I can get some stuff done in the bootsector/setup/kernel/microkernel/whatever. I believe we need to get to the point where C/C++ programs will work, and we need to do so quickly. I'm going to give my evenings the next several weeks to do this as much as I can, and will try to do so in the fall too. Let's see what we can do. So your number 1 priority with TOSP, is to check out the links below and then start finding your own and posting them. I would also recommend that you get NASM, GCC/G++ (with CygWin if you want to use Windows), AutoConf, AutoMake, GNU Make (or compatible Make program) and Bochs. GCC/G++ will be the standard C/C++ compiler for the project, at least for now. (For those that have another lying around - e.g. MS VC++ - it'd be great to help us note the differences between them, but you'll need to have GCC/G++ as well for standard use.) NASM is good, and that'll be great to use. We'll focus on using Intel syntax - it's easier anyway, and people know it. AutoConf/AutoMake will be good utilities for creating GNU Make Makefiles, which we'll need for building. These are all supported on Win32 as well, though you may need Cygwin (available from RedHat and friends) on some platforms. Bochs is the best thing I've found, though you are free to try Plex86 as well. The software is all available free, and available on Linux and Windows ('9x/Me/XP/2k/NT/etc). I'd recommend having a Linux distro available for use, as it'll make development easier, but as long as you can compile the projects with the above software, I could care less what OS you use. So let's get to work! Benjamen R. Meyer http://www.x86.org http://www.sandpile.org http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~ralf/books.html http://users.win.be/W0005997/ASSEMBLY/alinks.html http://users.win.be/W0005997/O3S/index.html http://phantom.urbis.net.il/bphantom/OS_Design_Qs.html http://phantom.urbis.net.il/bphantom/ http://www.execpc.com/~geezer/osd/boot/index.htm http://www.mega-tokyo.com/os/os-faq.html http://www.overwhelmed.org/shawn/faq.html http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/sigops/roll_your_own/ http://www.execpc.com/~geezer/osd/libc/index.htm http://www.execpc.com/~geezer/osd/index.htm http://www.thesky.demon.co.uk/os-development/index.html |
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From: <the...@li...> - 2002-07-12 15:52:48
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I would like to welcome v1tal1ty the team. v1tal1ty will be involved with getting our CVS in order, and then both on the website and development of the OS. Sincerely, Benjamen R. Meyer |
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From: <the...@li...> - 2002-07-12 13:31:20
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Is anyone of you working on the website? It would be very good to get a website up. If you need any information, or have any questions, please post to the webdev list, (and if you like the development list). Lists are: the...@so... the...@so... the...@so... Getting a website up should be a priority, and is one for me, though it is the job of those on this list. Currently the index page is just pointing to the http://sourceforge.net/projects/theosproject page, but it needs to be made into a full-featured site. If you have any ideas for the site that have been scripted but not posted, then please feel free to send me a zip or gzip'd tarball of them. Also, if anyone has tried to upload to the site directory at theosproject.sourceforge.net but not been able to because of permissions, then please let me know. I want to make sure that everyone has the correct permissions. Thank you, Benjamen R. Meyer Witness The OS Project |
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From: <the...@li...> - 2002-02-28 20:07:11
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Here's a list of the positions for everyone. I tried to get things
associated with people's skills as best I can. Please let me know if
anything conflicts. The main things we need right now are:
MicroKernel
HAL OS
Memory Management OS
Registry OS
Once we have those started and with a small level of support - i.e. the
ability to do somethings in the SITS shell [probably some things it won't=
do
after we have other parts completed] - then we'll start on the Actual OS.
I've really got to do a little bit of work right now, so I'll post more a=
s
soon as I can. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks you.
Ben
Jobs:
Boot/Setup - Completed.
MicroKernel - Started
Secondary Stages
Memory Management OS
Registry OS
HAL OS
Actual OS
Network OS -> Not yet available. (could be if needed)
Assignments:
Group Leaders:
Karthigan
HAL OS
+Ben Meyer
+Stanislav Simakov
+Rodrigo Miguel Mart=EDnez Soler
Vinod
Memory Management OS
+Mithun Sen
+Balaji Muralidhar
+Andrew Falanga
+Stephano Mariani
Mostafa Ahmed Radwan
Registry OS
+Ben Meyer
+Mostafa Ahmed Radwan
+Brad Drake
+Gavin Heer
Ben Meyer/Josh Kruck
Actual OS
+Josh Kruck
+Ben Meyer
+Brad Drake
+Gavin Heer
+Stephano Mariani
?
Network OS -> Not made available yet.
[Master/MicroKernel Group]
Ben M.
Karthigan
Vinod
+Mithun Sen
+Balaji Muralidhar
Requests:
The following people have not requested positions:
Brad Drake
Gavin Heer
Stephano Mariani (The Keyboard Caper)
Rodrigo Miguel Mart=EDnez Soler
ONn Ben-Zvi
Stanislav Simakov
Vinod:
Memory Management OS
MicroKernel
Karthigan:
MicroKernel
HAL OS
Joshua Kruck:
MicroKernel
Actual OS
Balaji Muralidharan:
Kernel
Memory Management OS
Mithun Sen:
Kernel
Memory Management OS
Ben Meyer:
Actual OS (especially)
MicroKernel
HAL OS
Registry OS
Andrew Falanga:
Memory Management OS
The following people have requested any position:
Mostafa Ahmed Radwan
Website Developer:
Adam Towill
Lior Hammer
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From: <the...@li...> - 2002-02-19 20:56:41
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Just checking, are you still interested in writing the website? I think most everyone else dropped out. I know several people expressed the opinion that it was best to leave it to one person. Personally, I think it may get kind of large for that, but for now, I guess that is how it will be, unless there are other people on the webdev list. I have already given you webdeveloper access to the site, all you have to do is login to theosproject.sourceforge.net via ssh/sftp, and post files to /home/groups/t/th/theosproject. There are htdocs and cgi-bin directories. Please update the site. :) If you need any information, please let me know. Make it as fancy or as textual as you like. Please keep in mind that the best defined interfaces had a good contrast between the foreground and background colors, perferably something dark on top of something light. Just a thought. Ben I should also mention that I am good with graphic design, if you want me to do anything in terms of logos, images, color schemes, etc. Thanks again - Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: Witness To: NewGate IT Solutions Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 10:28 AM Subject: RE: The OS Project Website at SourceForge Cool. What is your unix name for Source Forge? I need it to add you in. Also, I suggest that you join the lists. theosproject-newsletter theosproject-developers theosproject-webdev The first 2 are for the project itself, the last is for the website development. Thanks, Ben meye -----Original Message----- From: NewGate IT Solutions [mailto:ne...@pi...] Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 6:48 PM To: Witness Subject: Re: The OS Project Website at SourceForge Hi there, Yes, it is still something I want to do. Anything that is alternative to Windows is a great idea, and something I've been meaning to set up here myself for a long time, but never got round to it. So I'd love to hear back from you. Also, I should let you know that my experience is in HTML, and I am only just learning PHP at the moment. (Shouldn't take me too long to pick it up, as it is only embedded) but MySQL, I will probably need to get a book for. Hope that's not too much of a prob. Speak (or type) to you soon! - Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: Witness To: Adam Towill Cc: vee...@li... Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 3:57 PM Subject: The OS Project Website at SourceForge I've gotten a number of responses to people asking to write the website (and I've only had the project on SourceForge for about a day), and I would like to allow everyone to do so as a collaboration. Personally, I'm not looking for anything fancy but the nicer you guys can do it, the better. I can create another e-mail list at SourceForge if you guys want to work collaboratively and I'll be on there so you can ask me anything you need to know, but I have to inform you that this is a volunteer position (just want to make that clear). Currently, I am looking for something that will allow people to: 1) Download source snapshots/distributions. 2) Find information on the project - who's working on it, what it's it, theories, where to find information, anything relevant. 3) Look decent. I can't do much myself with website's and decent graphical interface, and I don't have the time to put into it either. 4) Creativity. I don't know what all will go on it, or how to do it all. I'm guessing that SourceForge allows the projects under it to use PHP; and I can request a MySQL account for the site. Any how, let me know if this is still something you want to do. If no one wants to work collaboratively, then I guess I can choose someone, but I'd rather have a group that could work together - especially since you could then each decide to take part of it and work on that part. Please let me know, and I'll discuss this with each of you more. Thank you for your interest. Ben Meyer |
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From: <the...@li...> - 2002-02-12 04:45:49
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For your information, SourceForge is not allowing the ability of mailing lists to have the reply set to the mailing list by default. In order to reply to the mailing list, one must hit "replay all" in their e-mail client. Otherwise, it will go to the poster instead. Please keep this in mind for the list discussions. Thank you. Benjamen R. Meyer |
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From: Witness <bme...@ca...> - 2002-02-11 22:20:13
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I've got a few documents that I need translated to HTML before I can post them. They are going to go under the docs section of the SF site (not the actual webpage, at least not for now). I'm trying to get information up so that everyone knows what we are trying to implement. They don't need to be translated any more than the one that is currently posted, and the translation includes the following: 1) Add <BR><BR> to the end of each paragraph. 2) Change headings from: [Doc Title] -> <H1><U>Doc Title</U></H1> Heading -> <H2><U>Heading</U></H2> ======= Heading -> <H3><U>Heading</U></H3> ------- Heading -> <H4><U>Heading</U></H4> That's really all there is to it. Let me know if you are interested. All docs are in Windows/Notepad format. Let me know if you are interested. Ben |
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From: Witness <bme...@ca...> - 2002-02-11 18:08:33
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The doc has been updated. The problem was I uploaded a text file, and it didn't like it. So I did a quick conversion to HTML, formatting the headers a bit, and adding in line returns for the paragraphs. It'll get to be a little more formatted later, but the format will be something for the webdev team to decide. Thanks for the tips. Ben > Benjamen > If you get a chance, some paragraphs would be great in the > document that is up > on sourceforge now. Its a little hard on the eyes. > thanks > Josh > > 23% of all photocopier faults worldwide are caused by people > sitting on them > and photocopying their buttocks. > > _______________________________________________ > Theosproject-newsletter mailing list > The...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/theosproject-newsletter > |
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From: Witness <bme...@ca...> - 2002-02-11 17:47:39
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Just to let you guys know, my AIM account is witnessbm. Feel free to contact me with it. Ben Meyer |
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From: Witness <bme...@ca...> - 2002-02-11 17:44:20
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Currently a lot of the information you guys need is in the documents that I need to get up. So for now, I think I would suggest that we build an index page based on the History & Overview document that is already on the SF site. So, perhaps the following: 1) Primary index page - entrance into the site with menus/etc for the other pages. 2) History Page 3) About page 4) Overview page There should also be a links page for information on OS development. I'll also work on consolidating all the links that I have and sending them to the list for you guys. Questions? Comments? Ben Meyer |
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From: Witness <bme...@ca...> - 2002-02-11 17:30:15
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Sorry for the triple post, but I want to bring you all up to speed quite quickly. As you may have read in the history of The OS Project, it's been around for about 2 years with little work done (much to my dismay). I'm hoping that that will change now, especially with all the interest from everyone on these lists. I'm going to make it my job over the next couple weeks to get all the documents I have brought together and posted on-line. There's a lot of documents and a lot of repeativity (I think), so I don't want to post them all at the same time. In the meantime, I would like to get the website team started, and additionally get the development team started on the bootsector/kernel loading. I'll address each of those in e-mail specific to each list, and I'll be working on both sides. Also, I would like to let everyone know the versioning scheme that I've been using. We can discuss this on the developers list to see if it'll continue. Basically it is the following format: [Major Build].[Minor Build].[Make].[Build] The last part is for developmental usage. The other three will be used in official releases. If we want to use something else, that can be address. That is currently what the version numbers mean for the cvs source - which is only 0.00.01[letter], where letter relates to the bootsector version. Thanks everyone for your interest, and I hope that we as a team can get the coding under way. :) I'm looking forward to working with everyone. Sincerely, Benjamen R. Meyer |
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From: JSGA <js...@if...> - 2002-02-10 23:08:55
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Just for information, do you know XOSL? that's a great boot loader! 10/02/02 23:38:13, "Witness" <bme...@ca...> a =E9crit: >> For the question of the pages language I'm of course ready to >> write french pages. >> There'll be no problem to translate the parts of my code soon >> written which contain french labels in english : >> However the software is in english, French people must be >> interested by your project and if they have an information in >> french about it, they would want to try it. >> For the design, I work on a table only design, wich with PHP acts >> like a virtual frame : the site is available with >> any browser, as old he is. The admin area contains a Skin manager >> wich one you can apply different skins to the website. >> Have you a logo, an idea of design, a color or a symbol for the projec= t? > >We don't have a logo for the project, or anything else that way. It's re= ally >going straight from scratch. About the closest things are the following: > >The OS Project (TOSP for short) >Winux -> The OS the project is developing >Bootix -> The boot loader for the OS. Similar to LILO, but more graphica= l in >nature. > >> For the subsites, the Xims system permit to non-webmasters to >> create a sub site less really knowing design or coding. >> But we can do everything you want :o) > >Cool. I went to the site earlier to check it out, but it wasn't up. I'l= l >check again tomorrow. > >> Please, can you also tell me more about your project? > >The easiest way to describe it is in the history & overview document in >Source Forge. >It contains a lot of information, most of which I have found myself >repeating to people over the last few years, and especially the last few >days as TOSP has gotten a lot of attention in comparison since Friday wh= en >it went up on SourceForge. > >As I'm not going to go for the full structure that I use to be going for= , >I'll leave it at and take questions about it. I use to be into putting >together teams to fulfill the different parts of the project - there wer= e >about 8 major groups with like 10 sub-groups, but I could not get enough >people to even start building the structure. Then I read "The Cathedral= & >The Bazaar" (great book), and learned I need to go with a more >structure-less approach; so I'm going to give it a try. > >I'll discuss more information on the e-mail list. > > > |
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From: Witness <bme...@ca...> - 2002-02-10 22:51:43
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> For the question of the pages language I'm of course ready to > write french pages. > There'll be no problem to translate the parts of my code soon > written which contain french labels in english : > However the software is in english, French people must be > interested by your project and if they have an information in > french about it, they would want to try it. > For the design, I work on a table only design, wich with PHP acts > like a virtual frame : the site is available with > any browser, as old he is. The admin area contains a Skin manager > wich one you can apply different skins to the website. > Have you a logo, an idea of design, a color or a symbol for the project? We don't have a logo for the project, or anything else that way. It's really going straight from scratch. About the closest things are the following: The OS Project (TOSP for short) Winux -> The OS the project is developing Bootix -> The boot loader for the OS. Similar to LILO, but more graphical in nature. > For the subsites, the Xims system permit to non-webmasters to > create a sub site less really knowing design or coding. > But we can do everything you want :o) Cool. I went to the site earlier to check it out, but it wasn't up. I'll check again tomorrow. > Please, can you also tell me more about your project? The easiest way to describe it is in the history & overview document in Source Forge. It contains a lot of information, most of which I have found myself repeating to people over the last few years, and especially the last few days as TOSP has gotten a lot of attention in comparison since Friday when it went up on SourceForge. As I'm not going to go for the full structure that I use to be going for, I'll leave it at and take questions about it. I use to be into putting together teams to fulfill the different parts of the project - there were about 8 major groups with like 10 sub-groups, but I could not get enough people to even start building the structure. Then I read "The Cathedral & The Bazaar" (great book), and learned I need to go with a more structure-less approach; so I'm going to give it a try. I'll discuss more information on the e-mail list. |
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