Dear Felix,
first of all, let me congratulate you on TheoDore. I find it amaizing. Thank you for making public such an arsenal of important tools. Now, on to my question. I a trying to characterise double excited states using casscf calculations from OpenMolcas (input file attached). However, I can't seem to get the eta, y0 and y1 parameters to work. Could you please help me with this issue?
Nice to hear that you are looking at this. These descriptors are actually computed from the density matrix (not transition density matrix). I think they are printed if you run something of the sort
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2023-09-01
Hi Felix,
Could you please give me some more hints on how to using the analyse_nos module? Because I could not make it work. It does not run when I call it as you put in your post. I also tried running tne sden module with the option NO_ana=True but still don't get the values for the descriptors I want.
Thank you in advancee
Federico
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You can get y0 and y1 already from the standard WFA output. If you have the line
Occupation of frontier NOs:
0.0000 0.0191 0.1021 1.8989 1.9819 1.9979
then this means that y0=0.1021 and y1=0.0191 .
You can also get Omega from the WFA output. In our paper ( http://dx.doi.org/10.1039/D2SC06990C ) we are actually arguing that Omega is a bit more meaningful to use than eta.
NTOs
Leading SVs:
0.8600 0.0007 0.0000
Sum of SVs (Omega): 0.860726
In this case Omega is 0.861
I never included eta into WFA because I was not so happy with how it performs and how to interpret it. But you can do the detour via TheoDORE. First you need to set MOLCAS_MOLDEN=ON to get the molden files. In my case these files are called MOLCAS.rasscf.molden.1 and MOLCAS.rasscf.molden.2 but this of course depends on your precise set up. If those files are there, then I can run
And if I have the newest TheoDORE version, then it should print y0, y1 and eta by default.
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2023-09-05
Thank you very much! Your help has been so useful.
Federico
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2023-09-07
Hi Felix,
just a follow-up quesiton. I have been trying to obtain the same parameters to characterise doubly excited states but using ADC2 from Turbomole. Just for the sake of learning to use the program, I would like to obtain 'y0', 'y1', 'p', 'eta', 'n_u', and 'n_u,nl'. I understand I need to run the "sden" for this. However, I have not been susccesful even running the module. I get this error:
ADC(2) is not actually able to describe doubly excited states properly. So, you won't see anything interesting there.
You can run analyze_tden and this will produce an Om values. But in the case of ADC(2) this is just a normalisation factor, not actually the double excitations.
There is no integrated option for running analyze_sden with ADC(2). If you can produce molden files with the NOs, then you can analyze those via analyze_nos. But again, I don't think there is much of a point for ADC(2).
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Dear Felix,
first of all, let me congratulate you on TheoDore. I find it amaizing. Thank you for making public such an arsenal of important tools. Now, on to my question. I a trying to characterise double excited states using casscf calculations from OpenMolcas (input file attached). However, I can't seem to get the eta, y0 and y1 parameters to work. Could you please help me with this issue?
Thank you
Best wishes
Federico Hernández
Hi Federico,
Nice to hear that you are looking at this. These descriptors are actually computed from the density matrix (not transition density matrix). I think they are printed if you run something of the sort
theodore analyze_nos MOLCAS.molden.1 MOLCAS.molden.2
I can have a closer look later ...
Hi Felix,
Could you please give me some more hints on how to using the analyse_nos module? Because I could not make it work. It does not run when I call it as you put in your post. I also tried running tne sden module with the option NO_ana=True but still don't get the values for the descriptors I want.
Thank you in advancee
Federico
Hi, just a few comments:
You can get y0 and y1 already from the standard WFA output. If you have the line
then this means that y0=0.1021 and y1=0.0191 .
You can also get Omega from the WFA output. In our paper ( http://dx.doi.org/10.1039/D2SC06990C ) we are actually arguing that Omega is a bit more meaningful to use than eta.
In this case Omega is 0.861
I never included eta into WFA because I was not so happy with how it performs and how to interpret it. But you can do the detour via TheoDORE. First you need to set
MOLCAS_MOLDEN=ON
to get the molden files. In my case these files are calledMOLCAS.rasscf.molden.1
andMOLCAS.rasscf.molden.2
but this of course depends on your precise set up. If those files are there, then I can runAnd if I have the newest TheoDORE version, then it should print y0, y1 and eta by default.
Thank you very much! Your help has been so useful.
Federico
Hi Felix,
just a follow-up quesiton. I have been trying to obtain the same parameters to characterise doubly excited states but using ADC2 from Turbomole. Just for the sake of learning to use the program, I would like to obtain 'y0', 'y1', 'p', 'eta', 'n_u', and 'n_u,nl'. I understand I need to run the "sden" for this. However, I have not been susccesful even running the module. I get this error:
And here is the last part of the TM's control file:
May thanks in advance.
Federico
Hi Federico.
ADC(2) is not actually able to describe doubly excited states properly. So, you won't see anything interesting there.
You can run
analyze_tden
and this will produce anOm
values. But in the case of ADC(2) this is just a normalisation factor, not actually the double excitations.There is no integrated option for running
analyze_sden
with ADC(2). If you can produce molden files with the NOs, then you can analyze those viaanalyze_nos
. But again, I don't think there is much of a point for ADC(2).