#712 alignment of multiple \tempo marks over `church rests'

[Anonymous]

Originally created by: *anonymous

Originally created by: lemzw...@googlemail.com

\version "2.11.65"

\header { texidoc = "
The text string of @code{\tempo} over whole bar rests always starts
at the beginning of a bar.

Here is a counterexample.
" }

{
  \tempo "Foo" R1*5 |
  \tempo "Bar" R1*5 |
}

\layout {
  \context {
    \Score
    skipBars = ##t
  }
}

\paper {
  ragged-right = ##f
}

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Originally posted by: percival.music.ca@gmail.com

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Originally posted by: lemzw...@googlemail.com

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Originally posted by: v.villenave

This seems related to issue 684 (at least, I believe fixing #684 should fix this one
as well).

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Originally posted by: x.sche...@gmail.com

Output is different with 2.13.59 since issue 684 is now fixed.
Now the text string of @code{\tempo} over whole bar rests always starts
at the beginning of a bar.

The output is not very pleasant though (IMHO).  It is maybe  better than
2.12 but I'd prefer it to be aligned over the first (non-existant) note
(NoteColumn?).

See attachment.

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Originally posted by: lemzw...@googlemail.com

Yes, this would be a better optical solution.

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Originally posted by: x.sche...@gmail.com

You mean align the tempo indication on the first (non-existing) note?

Maybe Mike could solve this issue while fixing issue 1263.
I'll drop a comment there.

Thank you Werner!

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Originally posted by: lemzw...@googlemail.com

Yes, aligning the tempo indication on the first note gives a better result.

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Originally posted by: k-ohara5...@oco.net

The tempo indication over a full-measure rest was moved back to the bar-line as part of the fix for (bounty) issue 684 citing the request of this issue as the reason:
https://codereview.appspot.com/1579041/#msg5

It looks like we can change the settings to
\override Score.MetronomeMark #'non-break-align-symbols =  #'(paper-column-interface)
if we want the tempo indication on the first (non-existing) note.

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Originally posted by: k-ohara5...@oco.net

Neil added a regression test ‘metronome-marking-break-align.ly’ that says pretty much what the initial request said:
"\tempo marks are aligned with the time signature or first musical element unless the first element is a multi-measure rest: in this case, the tempo mark is aligned with the bar line."

The result looks strange to me, so I'll use the override in the comment above, but this bug seems to be fixed.

Labels: fixed_2_17
Status: Fixed

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Originally posted by: lemzw...@googlemail.com

Hmm.  For me, `beginning of a bar' is not the same as `aligned with the bar line'.  Especially the `Vivace' in your image is certainly wrong.  Neil's regression test slipped my attention, sorry.

Note that the alignment mentioned in comment #8 isn't optimal either, especially if the rest takes a large horizontal space: For a plain full-measure rest, I consider the position of the first paper column too much to the right.  Instead, I would like to position the tempo mark as if there were a time signature.

Below are shown all possible combinations, with and without the paper column setting.  Especially ugly is the case where the tempo mark slips under the rehearsal mark

Messy, messy.  I've removed the `fixed' label.

Labels: -fixed_2_17
Status: Started

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Originally posted by: x.sche...@gmail.com

Note that the placement of RehearsalMark at begin of line is wrong,
it should not be printed above the clef.
This is tracked as issue 1150.

(imagine an "invisible" barline after the Clef, after the KeySignature,
before possible TimeSignature, the RehearsalMark would be just on top
of this "invisible" barline)
The placement of this bar line can be clearly seen if you put a begin
of volta repeat barline at begin of line, actually.

[Trevor Daniels]

Changing Status to Accepted as there is no owner, no patch and there has been no action for several years.

[Valentin Villenave]

Is this issue still relevant? As of 2.20 the following setting is no longer working (or have I overlooked a syntax change?):
\override Score.MetronomeMark.non-break-align-symbols = #'(paper-column-interface)
Besides, Xavier’s two examples now look exactly the same.

Couldn’t/shouldn’t we rather make it simply a matter of documenting the current behavior (which, by the way, doesn’t look so ugly to me)?