#4981 Web: Remove links to gmane for 'bug-reports' section of Website

On 06/10/16 18:18, Lee Zipin wrote:

(Not a bug in the conventional sense ... ) The page
http://lilypond.org/bug-reports.html offers a link to post.gmane.org as the
only way to submit a bug report if one is not subscribed to
bug-lilypond@gnu.org. post.gmane.org has been down for some time, and is
possibly down for good. The link should be removed from bug-reports.html.

-- Lee

[Federico Bruni]

Not only the web manual, also the footer used in all manuals should be fixed:

python/auxiliar/postprocess_html.py:footer_report_links = _doc ('We welcome your aid; please <a href="%(help_us_url)s">help us</a> by reporting errors to our <a href="%(mail_address_url)s">bug list</a>.')

What should we use as replacement?
Probably this one: https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond

... and we should also ask the mailing list admin to remove this sentence:

You can post a message without subscribing by using the Gmane interface at
http://post.gmane.org/post.php?group=gmane.comp.gnu.lilypond.bugs

[Federico Bruni]

We may suggest that bug-lilypond is a low traffic mailing list, so subscribing to it should not be a problem... And maybe suggest that even if you must be subscribed to be able to write to the mailing list, you can disable receiving the messages from the list and still receiving replies to your messages, as our convention is replying to all and not to the list only (but this may be risky or change in the future).

[David Kastrup]

We may suggest that bug-lilypond is a low traffic mailing list, so subscribing to it should not be a problem...

I don't think it would well be characterized as low-traffic, but do you really need to be subscribed in order to write to it? It's probably less work for our list moderator if you are but I don't think that your mails otherwise will get lost. No guarantees though.

[David R. Linn]

TL;WR? I believe Frederico is correct in saying that there is no longer any reason to steer people to gmane.

I don't set policy for the mailing lists - I just follow/enforce the policies set by the project leadership. (I'll admit I'm not really sure who that is nowadays but David Kastrup is definitely on my personal list of Lilypond leaders.)

The Lilypond mailing lists are moderated ... to prevent spam from swamping the lists. That you think any of these are low-volume lists is actually a sign that this configuration is successful; the moderators (plural) are doing a good job of stripping spam from the input stream.

Because the moderators let through almost anything through to a Lilypond list that is relevant to the purpose of that list, it's not really necessary to go through gmane to post as a non-subscriber. If a message is relevant, it will still be posted.