tcllib-devel — Discussion of development for tcllib

Re: [Tcllib-devel] Wcb and Mentry into tklib?

[Arjen M. <arj...@de...>]

Hi Csaba,

sounds like useful to me (even though I have used it :)). So my
answer: certainly, go ahead.

Regards,

Arjen

On 2010-11-28 16:03, Csaba Nemethi wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Several people (most recently Stuart Cassoff) using my Wcb (Widget
> callback) and Mentry (Multi-entry) packages suggested me to submit these
> pure Tcl extensions for inclusion in tklib.  Before doing this, I would
> like to ask you, the subscribers of this list, whether you share the
> opinion that it would make sense to see Wcb and Mentry in tklib.
> 
> In case of a positive answer I would perform the (minor) necessary
> changes and then send the resulting tarballs to Andreas Kupries (who has
> already been asked by Stuart and liked his suggestion).
> 
> Both packages are available for free download from my web page given below.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Csaba
> 
 

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[Tcllib-devel] Wcb and Mentry into tklib?

[Csaba N. <csa...@t-...>]

Hi,

Several people (most recently Stuart Cassoff) using my Wcb (Widget
callback) and Mentry (Multi-entry) packages suggested me to submit these
pure Tcl extensions for inclusion in tklib.  Before doing this, I would
like to ask you, the subscribers of this list, whether you share the
opinion that it would make sense to see Wcb and Mentry in tklib.

In case of a positive answer I would perform the (minor) necessary
changes and then send the resulting tarballs to Andreas Kupries (who has
already been asked by Stuart and liked his suggestion).

Both packages are available for free download from my web page given below.

Best regards,

Csaba

-- 
Csaba Nemethi   http://www.nemethi.de   mailto:csa...@t-...

Re: [Tcllib-devel] ChangeLogs and other stuff in CVS

[Andreas K. <and...@ac...>]

Lars Hellström wrote:
> Only recently did I get around to checking something in to the tcllib 
> CVS myself. This mostly behaved as I expected it to, but there are some 
> points I think I'd better ask about.
> 
> 1. ChangeLogs
> 
> Since the ChangeLog files mostly seem to be a concatenation of commit 
> messages (for example 
> http://tcllib.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tcllib/tcllib/modules/aes/ChangeLog?revision=1.21&view=markup 
> bears a striking resemblance to 
> http://tcllib.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tcllib/tcllib/modules/aes/ChangeLog?view=log), 
> I concluded those were probably autogenerated somehow and didn't touch 

Ah, no. We wish it were so easy. I usually write the changelog message first, 
and then CVS commit asks me for a message I paste that over.

> it. However, since it's now been three days and no autoupdate, I 
> suppose I'd better add an entry manually as soon as I'm confident 
> noone's going to point out what other thing I should have done instead.

> I also notice there is a ChangeLog file in the main tcllib directory 
> which has gone through a lot more changes than any of the other files 
> there, so it appears it records changes anywhere in tcllib. On the 
> other hand, this main ChangeLog hasn't been changed during the last two 
> months despite some bugs being fixed in that period, so when is a 
> change important enough to update this main ChangeLog?

Changes noted in the main changelog are usually about things which affect 
tcllib as a whole, like changes to the sak.tcl tool, or code underneath 
support/. Things which do not have their own Changelog. As creation of new 
modules and packages requires additional lines in 
support/installation/modules.tcl (*) this is usually also recorded in the main 
changelog.

(*) Make the installer aware of them.


> 2. Project feed
> 
> Possibly related is that the "project feed" on 
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/tcllib/ doesn't seem to show any 
> commits even though commits have occurred. Anyone know why?

Huh. I'll try to find some time for a lookaround. Off the top of my head I 
don't know.


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Re: [Tcllib-devel] ChangeLogs and other stuff in CVS

[Arjen M. <arj...@de...>]

Hi LArs,

On 2010-09-16 14:12, Lars Hellström wrote:

> 3. pkgIndex.tcl
> 
> One thing I did come across when trying to find documentation about the 
> above was a note that the pkgIndex.tcl file in the "math" module needed 
> special treatment, but the note didn't say how. From looking at the 
> file, I suppose running pkg_mkIndex would be a Bad Idea. (This is of 
> interest to me, because the next contribution I was going to make is a 
> new package math::numtheory providing a math::numtheory::isprime 
> command.) So is this supposed to be updated manually?
> 

IIRC the problem is limited to math.tcl (and the two files it sources).
math.tcl has been in existence for a long time and still uses the
old autoloading mechanism.

Adding a new package to the math module itself (so the directory math)
should be straightforward.

Regards,

Arjen
 

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[Tcllib-devel] ChangeLogs and other stuff in CVS

[Lars H. <Lar...@re...>]

Only recently did I get around to checking something in to the tcllib 
CVS myself. This mostly behaved as I expected it to, but there are some 
points I think I'd better ask about.

1. ChangeLogs

Since the ChangeLog files mostly seem to be a concatenation of commit 
messages (for example 
http://tcllib.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tcllib/tcllib/modules/aes/ChangeLog?revision=1.21&view=markup 
bears a striking resemblance to 
http://tcllib.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tcllib/tcllib/modules/aes/ChangeLog?view=log), 
I concluded those were probably autogenerated somehow and didn't touch 
it. However, since it's now been three days and no autoupdate, I 
suppose I'd better add an entry manually as soon as I'm confident 
noone's going to point out what other thing I should have done instead.

I also notice there is a ChangeLog file in the main tcllib directory 
which has gone through a lot more changes than any of the other files 
there, so it appears it records changes anywhere in tcllib. On the 
other hand, this main ChangeLog hasn't been changed during the last two 
months despite some bugs being fixed in that period, so when is a 
change important enough to update this main ChangeLog?


2. Project feed

Possibly related is that the "project feed" on 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/tcllib/ doesn't seem to show any 
commits even though commits have occurred. Anyone know why?


3. pkgIndex.tcl

One thing I did come across when trying to find documentation about the 
above was a note that the pkgIndex.tcl file in the "math" module needed 
special treatment, but the note didn't say how. From looking at the 
file, I suppose running pkg_mkIndex would be a Bad Idea. (This is of 
interest to me, because the next contribution I was going to make is a 
new package math::numtheory providing a math::numtheory::isprime 
command.) So is this supposed to be updated manually?


Lars Hellström

[Tcllib-devel] Register For The 17th Annual Tcl/Tk Conference 2010

[Andreas K. <and...@ac...>]

17th Annual Tcl/Tk Conference (Tcl'2010)
http://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2010/

October 11 - 15, 2010
Hilton Suites/Conference Center

Chicago/Oakbrook Terrace, Illinois, USA


Registration for the Conference is open at

	http://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2010/reg.html

To book a room at the conference hotel at reduced rates follow the
link on that page. Note that this offer expires on September 26. Book
early.


Our schedule can be found at

	http://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2010/schedule.html


We have special social activites

October 15, 2010 - Friday afternoon -- Tour of Fermilab

Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory,   http://www.fnal.gov/

Tour signup is at the conference, Wednesday, Oct 13.

A tour lasts about two hours and begins in Wilson Hall. Visitors view
the Laboratory from the 15th floor windows and visit various displays
located there. The tour moves to the Linear Accelerator building where
visitors see the Cockcroft-Walton, the components in the linear
accelerator gallery and the Main Control Room.  There is a docent for
every 20 people. Registration required since tours must be arranged in
advance.

October 15, 2010 - Friday evening 

Dinner-theater at the award winning Drury Lane theater located next to
our hotel.

Special package price for dinner and theater at $44.00 per
person. Regularly $64 per person.

Please make reservation and payment at time of registration, or
by Wednesday Oct 13 latest (at the conference).


"Seven Brides for Seven Brothers"  http://www.drurylaneoakbrook.com/

Bill Jenkins is one of the newest and most exciting new directors on
the Chicago scene. As Chairman of the Department of Theatre and Dance
at Ball State University, he heads one of the nation's largest theatre
programs. After admiring his work with other Chicago area theatres, we
are very pleased for this opportunity to showcase his talent at Drury
Lane. Once Bill shared some of the fresh ideas and insights he had for
“Seven Brides for Seven Brothers”, we knew we would have a great
show for the holidays.


Conference Committee

Clif Flynt              Noumena Corp                    General Chair, Website Admin
Andreas Kupries         ActiveState Software Inc.       Program Chair
Cyndy Lilagan           Iomas Research, LLC             Facilities Coordination
Brian Griffin           Mentor Graphics
Ron Fox                 NSCL/FRIB Michigan State University
Arjen Markus            Deltares
Mike Doyle              Iomas Research, LLC
Gerald Lester           KnG Consulting, LLC
Donal Fellows           University of Manchester
Jeffrey Hobbs           ActiveState Software Inc.
Steve Landers           Digital Smarties
Kevin Kenny             GE Global Research Center
Larry Virden            Tcl FAQ Maintainer
Steve Redler IV		SR Technology

Contact Information     tcl...@go...


Tcl'2010 would like to thank those who are sponsoring the conference:

ActiveState Software Inc.
Buonacorsi Foundation
Mentor Graphics
Noumena Corp.
SR Technology
Tcl Community Association

[Tcllib-devel] 3rd Call For Papers, 17th Annual Tcl/Tk Conference 2010

[Andreas K. <and...@ac...>]

[[
    Get your papers in.

    The deadline for abstracts and proposals is
    less than two weeks away.
]]

17th Annual Tcl/Tk Conference (Tcl'2010)
http://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2010/

October 11 - 15, 2010
Hilton Suites/Conference Center

Chicago/Oakbrook Terrace, Illinois, USA

Important Dates:

Abstracts and proposals due   August   1, 2010
Notification to authors       August  15, 2010
WIP and BOF reservations open August   1, 2010
Author materials due          October  1, 2010
Tutorials Start               October 11, 2010
Conference starts             October 13, 2010

Email Contact:                tcl...@go...

Submission of Summaries

Tcl/Tk 2010 will be held in Chicago/Oakbrook Terrace, Illinois USA
from October 11 - 15, 2010. The program committee is asking for papers
and presentation proposals from anyone using or developing with Tcl/Tk
(and extensions). Past conferences have seen submissions covering a
wide variety of topics including:

* Scientific and engineering applications
* Industrial controls
* Distributed applications and Network Managment
* Object oriented extensions to Tcl/Tk
* New widgets for Tk
* Simulation and application steering with Tcl/Tk
* Tcl/Tk-centric operating environments
* Tcl/Tk on small and embedded devices
* Medical applications and visualization
* Use of different programming paradigms in Tcl/Tk and proposals for new
  directions.
* New areas of exploration for the Tcl/Tk language

This year is the third year that the Tcl community is participating in
the Google Summer of Code.  The conference program committee would
like to encourage submissions that report on the Tcl projects selected
for Google SoC 2010.

Submissions should consist of an abstract of about 100 words and a
summary of not more than two pages, and should be sent as plain text
to <tclconference AT googlegroups DOT com> no later than August 15,
2010. Authors of accepted abstracts will have until October 1, 2010 to
submit their final paper for the inclusion in the conference
proceedings. The proceedings will be made available on digital media,
so extra materials such as presentation slides, code examples, code
for extensions etc. are encouraged.

Printed proceedings will be produced as an on-demand book at lulu.com

The authors will have 25 minutes to present their paper at the
conference.

The program committee will review and evaluate papers according to the
following criteria:

* Quantity and quality of novel content
* Relevance and interest to the Tcl/Tk community
* Suitability of content for presentation at the conference

Proposals may report on commercial or non-commercial systems, but
those with only blatant marketing content will not be accepted.

Application and experience papers need to strike a balance between
background on the application domain and the relevance of Tcl/Tk to
the application. Application and experience papers should clearly
explain how the application or experience illustrates a novel use of
Tcl/Tk, and what lessons the Tcl/Tk community can derive from the
application or experience to apply to their own development efforts.

Papers accompanied by non-disclosure agreements will be returned to
the author(s) unread. All submissions are held in the highest
confidentiality prior to publication in the Proceedings, both as a
matter of policy and in accord with the U. S. Copyright Act of 1976.

The primary author for each accepted paper will receive registration
to the Technical Sessions portion of the conference at a reduced rate.

Other Forms of Participation

The program committee also welcomes proposals for panel discussions of
up to 90 minutes. Proposals should include a list of confirmed
panelists, a title and format, and a panel description with position
statements from each panelist. Panels should have no more than four
speakers, including the panel moderator, and should allow time for
substantial interaction with attendees. Panels are not presentations
of related research papers.

Slots for Works-in-Progress (WIP) presentations and Birds-of-a-Feather
sessions (BOFs) are available on a first-come, first-served basis
starting in August 1, 2010. Specific instructions for reserving WIP
and BOF time slots will be provided in the registration information
available in June 2010. Some WIP and BOF time slots will be held open
for on-site reservation. All attendees with an interesting work in
progress should consider reserving a WIP slot.

Registration Information

More information on the conference is available the conference Web
site (http://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2010/) and will be published on
various Tcl/Tk-related information channels.

Reservations for hotel suites and $25 airport shuttle rides can be
made at
http://www.hilton.com/en/hi/groups/personalized/CHIOTHS-TCL-20101010/index.jhtml?WT.mc_id=POG

To keep in touch with news regarding the conference and Tcl events in
general, subscribe to the tcl-announce list. See:
http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Mail/ to subscribe to the
tcl-announce mailing list.


Special Social Activites

October 15, 2010 - Friday afternoon -- Tour of Fermilab

Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory,   http://www.fnal.gov/

A tour lasts about two hours and begins in Wilson Hall. Visitors view
the Laboratory from the 15th floor windows and visit various displays
located there. The tour moves to the Linear Accelerator building where
visitors see the Cockcroft-Walton, the components in the linear
accelerator gallery and the Main Control Room.  There is a docent for
every 20 people. Registration required since tours must be arranged in
advance.

October 15, 2010 - Friday evening 

Dinner-theater at the award winning Drury Lane theater located next to
our hotel.  .

Special package price for dinner and theater at $44.00 per
person. Regularly $64 per person.

"Seven Brides for Seven Brothers"  http://www.drurylaneoakbrook.com/

Bill Jenkins is one of the newest and most exciting new directors on
the Chicago scene. As Chairman of the Department of Theatre and Dance
at Ball State University, he heads one of the nation's largest theatre
programs. After admiring his work with other Chicago area theatres, we
are very pleased for this opportunity to showcase his talent at Drury
Lane. Once Bill shared some of the fresh ideas and insights he had for
“Seven Brides for Seven Brothers”, we knew we would have a great
show for the holidays.


Conference Committee

Clif Flynt              Noumena Corp                    General Chair, Website Admin
Andreas Kupries         ActiveState Software Inc.       Program Chair
Cyndy Lilagan           Iomas Research, LLC             Facilities Coordination
Brian Griffin           Mentor Graphics
Ron Fox                 NSCL/FRIB Michigan State University
Arjen Markus            Deltares
Mike Doyle              Iomas Research, LLC
Gerald Lester           KnG Consulting, LLC
Donal Fellows           University of Manchester
Jeffrey Hobbs           ActiveState Software Inc.
Steve Landers           Digital Smarties
Kevin Kenny             GE Global Research Center
Larry Virden            Tcl FAQ Maintainer
Steve Redler IV		SR Technology

Contact Information     tcl...@go...


Tcl'2010 would like to thank those who are sponsoring the conference:

ActiveState Software Inc.
Buonacorsi Foundation
Mentor Graphics
Noumena Corp.
SR Technology
Tcl Community Association

[Tcllib-devel] 2 Call For Papers, 17th Annual Tcl/Tk Conference 2010

[Andreas K. <and...@ac...>]

[[ Important Changes:

   More information about registration at the hotel.

   Our location chair has organized special social
   activities, both geeky (FermiLab Tour) and
   cultured (Theatre). See below for more.
]]

17th Annual Tcl/Tk Conference (Tcl'2010)
http://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2010/

October 11 - 15, 2010
Hilton Suites/Conference Center

Chicago/Oakbrook Terrace, Illinois, USA

Important Dates:

Abstracts and proposals due   August   1, 2010
Notification to authors       August  15, 2010
WIP and BOF reservations open August   1, 2010
Author materials due          October  1, 2010
Tutorials Start               October 11, 2010
Conference starts             October 13, 2010

Email Contact:                tcl...@go...

Submission of Summaries

Tcl/Tk 2010 will be held in Chicago/Oakbrook Terrace, Illinois USA
from October 11 - 15, 2010. The program committee is asking for papers
and presentation proposals from anyone using or developing with Tcl/Tk
(and extensions). Past conferences have seen submissions covering a
wide variety of topics including:

* Scientific and engineering applications
* Industrial controls
* Distributed applications and Network Managment
* Object oriented extensions to Tcl/Tk
* New widgets for Tk
* Simulation and application steering with Tcl/Tk
* Tcl/Tk-centric operating environments
* Tcl/Tk on small and embedded devices
* Medical applications and visualization
* Use of different programming paradigms in Tcl/Tk and proposals for new
  directions.
* New areas of exploration for the Tcl/Tk language

This year is the third year that the Tcl community is participating in
the Google Summer of Code.  The conference program committee would
like to encourage submissions that report on the Tcl projects selected
for Google SoC 2010.

Submissions should consist of an abstract of about 100 words and a
summary of not more than two pages, and should be sent as plain text
to <tclconference AT googlegroups DOT com> no later than August 15,
2010. Authors of accepted abstracts will have until October 1, 2010 to
submit their final paper for the inclusion in the conference
proceedings. The proceedings will be made available on digital media,
so extra materials such as presentation slides, code examples, code
for extensions etc. are encouraged.

Printed proceedings will be produced as an on-demand book at lulu.com

The authors will have 25 minutes to present their paper at the
conference.

The program committee will review and evaluate papers according to the
following criteria:

* Quantity and quality of novel content
* Relevance and interest to the Tcl/Tk community
* Suitability of content for presentation at the conference

Proposals may report on commercial or non-commercial systems, but
those with only blatant marketing content will not be accepted.

Application and experience papers need to strike a balance between
background on the application domain and the relevance of Tcl/Tk to
the application. Application and experience papers should clearly
explain how the application or experience illustrates a novel use of
Tcl/Tk, and what lessons the Tcl/Tk community can derive from the
application or experience to apply to their own development efforts.

Papers accompanied by non-disclosure agreements will be returned to
the author(s) unread. All submissions are held in the highest
confidentiality prior to publication in the Proceedings, both as a
matter of policy and in accord with the U. S. Copyright Act of 1976.

The primary author for each accepted paper will receive registration
to the Technical Sessions portion of the conference at a reduced rate.

Other Forms of Participation

The program committee also welcomes proposals for panel discussions of
up to 90 minutes. Proposals should include a list of confirmed
panelists, a title and format, and a panel description with position
statements from each panelist. Panels should have no more than four
speakers, including the panel moderator, and should allow time for
substantial interaction with attendees. Panels are not presentations
of related research papers.

Slots for Works-in-Progress (WIP) presentations and Birds-of-a-Feather
sessions (BOFs) are available on a first-come, first-served basis
starting in August 1, 2010. Specific instructions for reserving WIP
and BOF time slots will be provided in the registration information
available in June 2010. Some WIP and BOF time slots will be held open
for on-site reservation. All attendees with an interesting work in
progress should consider reserving a WIP slot.

Registration Information

More information on the conference is available the conference Web
site (http://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2010/) and will be published on
various Tcl/Tk-related information channels.

Reservations for hotel suites and $25 airport shuttle rides can be
made at
http://www.hilton.com/en/hi/groups/personalized/CHIOTHS-TCL-20101010/index.jhtml?WT.mc_id=POG

To keep in touch with news regarding the conference and Tcl events in
general, subscribe to the tcl-announce list. See:
http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Mail/ to subscribe to the
tcl-announce mailing list.


Special Social Activites

October 15, 2010 - Friday afternoon -- Tour of Fermilab

Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory,   http://www.fnal.gov/

A tour lasts about two hours and begins in Wilson Hall. Visitors view
the Laboratory from the 15th floor windows and visit various displays
located there. The tour moves to the Linear Accelerator building where
visitors see the Cockcroft-Walton, the components in the linear
accelerator gallery and the Main Control Room.  There is a docent for
every 20 people. Registration required since tours must be arranged in
advance.

October 15, 2010 - Friday evening 

Dinner-theater at the award winning Drury Lane theater located next to
our hotel.  .

Special package price for dinner and theater at $44.00 per
person. Regularly $64 per person.

"Seven Brides for Seven Brothers"  http://www.drurylaneoakbrook.com/

Bill Jenkins is one of the newest and most exciting new directors on
the Chicago scene. As Chairman of the Department of Theatre and Dance
at Ball State University, he heads one of the nation's largest theatre
programs. After admiring his work with other Chicago area theatres, we
are very pleased for this opportunity to showcase his talent at Drury
Lane. Once Bill shared some of the fresh ideas and insights he had for
“Seven Brides for Seven Brothers”, we knew we would have a great
show for the holidays.


Conference Committee

Clif Flynt              Noumena Corp                    General Chair, Website Admin
Andreas Kupries         ActiveState Software Inc.       Program Chair
Cyndy Lilagan           Iomas Research, LLC             Facilities Coordination
Brian Griffin           Mentor Graphics
Ron Fox                 NSCL/FRIB Michigan State University
Arjen Markus            Deltares
Mike Doyle              Iomas Research, LLC
Gerald Lester           KnG Consulting, LLC
Donal Fellows           University of Manchester
Jeffrey Hobbs           ActiveState Software Inc.
Steve Landers           Digital Smarties
Kevin Kenny             GE Global Research Center
Larry Virden            Tcl FAQ Maintainer
Steve Redler IV		SR Technology

Contact Information     tcl...@go...


Tcl'2010 would like to thank those who are sponsoring the conference:

ActiveState Software Inc.
Buonacorsi Foundation
Mentor Graphics
Noumena Corp.
SR Technology
Tcl Community Association

Re: [Tcllib-devel] XML generation

[Lars H. <Lar...@re...>]

Andreas Kupries skrev:
> Having read this I now also see that the _xml.tcl I mentioned in my 
> first mail is more of a low level generator which would be driven by 
> such data structures. Assembler in essence, versus your HLL.
> 
> The xmlgen/htmlgen refeenced on your pages are much more comparable to 
> the _xml.tcl

Having looked at _xml.tcl myself, I'd summarise the differences roughly 
as follows:

_xml.tcl is indeed "assembler", in that it generates start- and 
end-tags separately (though with some facilities for automating closing 
of elements). xmlgen and my procedures are higher level, which make it 
more difficult to mess things up, but probably also increases memory 
requirements.

A difference between my approach on one hand and that of _xml.tcl and 
xmlgen on the other is however that the former (re)encodes an existing 
data structure as XML, whereas the latter generate it on the fly; a 
[trace] of one's program when using these two will correspond fairly 
directly to the structure of the XML being generated.

Lars Hellström

Re: [Tcllib-devel] XML generation

[Lars H. <Lar...@re...>]

Andreas Kupries skrev:
> Lars Hellström wrote:
>> Lately, a lot of the projects I've been working on have involved (i) 
>> generating Tcl data structures that could be viewed as a particular 
>> encoding of part of an XML document and (ii) converting said data 
>> structures to XML on output.
[snip]
>> The latest version of my command is TDLtoXML::xml_from_trees (but 
>> never mind the namespace) on http://wiki.tcl.tk/25681#pagetocbc2b8a8c. 
>> This coverts from a tdom list format to XML (cf. 
>> http://wiki.tcl.tk/26156), and that is perhaps something that should 
>> be scrutinised, since putting something like this in tcllib is an act 
>> of blessing its data format.

Note that TDL is just one of the projects where XML generation pops up. 
One could envision a package for both TDL and XML, but it's not 
something I'm suggesting here and now.

> "The trick is to parse TDL data by evaluating it in an empty slave 
> interpreter."
> 
> Are you limited to Tcl 8.4 ? If not, i.e. 8.5 is viable, then usage of
> a namespace and 'namespace unknown' may allow us to forego the empty slave.

No, for security reasons that wouldn't be good; you can always give a 
fully qualified named even from within a given namespace.

> What I am missing is some explanation on how you envision the dnyamic 
> creation of TDL structures. Plain [list] commands ? Right now I only see 
> static structures on the page, and their conversion to other formats 
> (data tress, pretty printing, ...)

For dynamic generation, you might instead want to look at Part III of 
http://abel.math.umu.se/~lars/mtmtcl/interfaces.pdf (page 79 and 
forth); that's one of the other projects. In yet another project, I've 
been generating SVG for inlining into XHTML...

> Having read this I now also see that the _xml.tcl I mentioned in my 
> first mail is more of a low level generator which would be driven by 
> such data structures. Assembler in essence, versus your HLL.

I'll have to take a look at it. Must rush now.

> The xmlgen/htmlgen refeenced on your pages are much more comparable to 
> the _xml.tcl

Lars Hellström

Re: [Tcllib-devel] XML generation

[Andreas K. <and...@ac...>]

Lars Hellström wrote:
> Lately, a lot of the projects I've been working on have involved (i) 
> generating Tcl data structures that could be viewed as a particular 
> encoding of part of an XML document and (ii) converting said data 
> structures to XML on output.
> 
> While (i) is always rather specific, the (ii) part tends to be very 
> generic, and while it's code-wise very short, it kind of worries me 
> that I'm copying the same procedures from project to project, so I've 
> been thinking "maybe this should go into tcllib?" As a matter of fact, 
> I've been somewhat surprised to not already find something along these 
> lines in there, but maybe it's too elementary to make a package for... 
> The intent is not to provide industrial capacity XML handling (there 
> are well-known compiled extensions for that), but rather to provide a 
> cheap package that you can put into your script when you just want to 
> add XML as another output format.
> 
> The latest version of my command is TDLtoXML::xml_from_trees (but never 
> mind the namespace) on http://wiki.tcl.tk/25681#pagetocbc2b8a8c. This 
> coverts from a tdom list format to XML (cf. http://wiki.tcl.tk/26156), 
> and that is perhaps something that should be scrutinised, since putting 
> something like this in tcllib is an act of blessing its data format.


"The trick is to parse TDL data by evaluating it in an empty slave interpreter."

Are you limited to Tcl 8.4 ? If not, i.e. 8.5 is viable, then usage of
a namespace and 'namespace unknown' may allow us to forego the empty slave.


What I am missing is some explanation on how you envision the dnyamic creation 
of TDL structures. Plain [list] commands ? Right now I only see static 
structures on the page, and their conversion to other formats (data tress, 
pretty printing, ...)

Having read this I now also see that the _xml.tcl I mentioned in my first mail 
is more of a low level generator which would be driven by such data structures. 
Assembler in essence, versus your HLL.

The xmlgen/htmlgen refeenced on your pages are much more comparable to the _xml.tcl



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Re: [Tcllib-devel] XML generation

[Andreas K. <and...@ac...>]

Lars Hellström wrote:
> Lately, a lot of the projects I've been working on have involved (i) 
> generating Tcl data structures that could be viewed as a particular 
> encoding of part of an XML document and (ii) converting said data 
> structures to XML on output.
> 
> While (i) is always rather specific, the (ii) part tends to be very 
> generic, and while it's code-wise very short, it kind of worries me 
> that I'm copying the same procedures from project to project, so I've 
> been thinking "maybe this should go into tcllib?" As a matter of fact, 
> I've been somewhat surprised to not already find something along these 
> lines in there, but maybe it's too elementary to make a package for... 

The doctools support TMML as output format, which is a XML format. Joe English 
wrote that plugin (IIRC), and provided

	tcllib/modules/doctools/mpformats/_xml.tcl

containing the more generic support code. This is not a package outright, just 
a file which is dt_source'd by the {fmt,toc}.tmml files/engines.

The _html in mpformats also has bit of generic tag generation.

> The intent is not to provide industrial capacity XML handling (there 
> are well-known compiled extensions for that), but rather to provide a 
> cheap package that you can put into your script when you just want to 
> add XML as another output format.
> 
> The latest version of my command is TDLtoXML::xml_from_trees (but never 
> mind the namespace) on http://wiki.tcl.tk/25681#pagetocbc2b8a8c. This 
> coverts from a tdom list format to XML (cf. http://wiki.tcl.tk/26156), 
> and that is perhaps something that should be scrutinised, since putting 
> something like this in tcllib is an act of blessing its data format.
> 
> Comments, anyone?

Not yet, will have to make the time for a look.

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[Tcllib-devel] XML generation

[Lars H. <Lar...@re...>]

Lately, a lot of the projects I've been working on have involved (i) 
generating Tcl data structures that could be viewed as a particular 
encoding of part of an XML document and (ii) converting said data 
structures to XML on output.

While (i) is always rather specific, the (ii) part tends to be very 
generic, and while it's code-wise very short, it kind of worries me 
that I'm copying the same procedures from project to project, so I've 
been thinking "maybe this should go into tcllib?" As a matter of fact, 
I've been somewhat surprised to not already find something along these 
lines in there, but maybe it's too elementary to make a package for... 
The intent is not to provide industrial capacity XML handling (there 
are well-known compiled extensions for that), but rather to provide a 
cheap package that you can put into your script when you just want to 
add XML as another output format.

The latest version of my command is TDLtoXML::xml_from_trees (but never 
mind the namespace) on http://wiki.tcl.tk/25681#pagetocbc2b8a8c. This 
coverts from a tdom list format to XML (cf. http://wiki.tcl.tk/26156), 
and that is perhaps something that should be scrutinised, since putting 
something like this in tcllib is an act of blessing its data format.

Comments, anyone?


Lars Hellström

[Tcllib-devel] BWidget 1.9.2 with polish translations

[Harald O. <Har...@El...>]

Hi list,

Refering on the release of BWidget 1.9.2, which is based on the
"compatibility" cvs-branch of folder "bwidget" of tcllib holding the
sticky tag "bwidget".

Andreas Kupries pointed out, that the polish translation file is only
included in head and not in the bwidget branch and thus not included in
the 1.9.2 release.

Thus I:
- added in tcllib CVS the sticky tag "bwidget" to the file
bwidget/lang/pl.rc
- added a note to the bwidget/ChangeLog (sticky tag "bwidget")

... and now its getting a bit critical ...

- replaced the released files with a version containing the pl.rc file
  and the new ChangeLog
  https://sourceforge.net/projects/tcllib/files/
	->Bwidget->1.9.2

I think, this is reasonable.
Please annotate, if this might be a *big* problem.
(this might be a problem, because this should not happen and may cause
confusion but IMHO it is ok)

Regards,
Harald

Re: [Tcllib-devel] Announce: BWidget 1.9.2

[Harald O. <Har...@El...>]

Am 07.06.2010 13:22, schrieb Arjen Markus:
> Hi Harald,
> 
> yes, those are the widgets I as thinking of. Here are some more:
> http://wiki.tcl.tk/16994
> http://wiki.tcl.tk/9108
> http://wiki.tcl.tk/9109
> http://wiki.tcl.tk/9177
> 
> I do not know the quality of the implementations, but it seems
> worth looking into them a bit.

Yes, anyway, they have to be integrated into the BWidget framework.

I first want to get the framework stable and compatible to Tile before
adding new widgets.

Anyway, I don't think I will add the scale widgets on my own.
There is a sponsor required.

I have another widget, I want to implement which is a page manager like
the firefox property window with an icon and a title per item.
But many other things to do before.

Regards,
Harald

Re: [Tcllib-devel] Announce: BWidget 1.9.2

[Harald O. <Har...@El...>]

Am 07.06.2010 12:10, schrieb Arjen Markus:
> Hello Harald, Johann,
> 
> something I thought of this weekend, on the Wiki we have a number
> of widgets implemented via the canvas to select, say, a real number.
> I am thinking of the various "dial" widgets. Would it fit into the
> concept of BWidget to include these widgets? Just a thought, mind you.
> Arjen

Hello Arjen,
no problem, IMHO ok.

Did you thought about:
http://wiki.tcl.tk/26357
http://wiki.tcl.tk/17065

Harald

Re: [Tcllib-devel] Announce: BWidget 1.9.2

[Arjen M. <arj...@de...>]

Hi Harald,

yes, those are the widgets I as thinking of. Here are some more:
http://wiki.tcl.tk/16994
http://wiki.tcl.tk/9108
http://wiki.tcl.tk/9109
http://wiki.tcl.tk/9177

I do not know the quality of the implementations, but it seems
worth looking into them a bit.

Regards,

Arjen

On 2010-06-07 13:15, Harald Oehlmann wrote:
> Am 07.06.2010 12:10, schrieb Arjen Markus:
>> Hello Harald, Johann,
>>
>> something I thought of this weekend, on the Wiki we have a number
>> of widgets implemented via the canvas to select, say, a real number.
>> I am thinking of the various "dial" widgets. Would it fit into the
>> concept of BWidget to include these widgets? Just a thought, mind you.
>> Arjen
> 
> Hello Arjen,
> no problem, IMHO ok.
> 
> Did you thought about:
> http://wiki.tcl.tk/26357
> http://wiki.tcl.tk/17065
> 
> Harald
> 

Re: [Tcllib-devel] Announce: BWidget 1.9.2

[Arjen M. <arj...@de...>]

Hello Harald, Johann,

something I thought of this weekend, on the Wiki we have a number
of widgets implemented via the canvas to select, say, a real number.
I am thinking of the various "dial" widgets. Would it fit into the
concept of BWidget to include these widgets? Just a thought, mind you.

Regards,

Arjen

On 2010-06-07 10:50, Harald Oehlmann wrote:
> As 3rd result of the European User meeting in Strasbourg, I am pleased
> to announce BWidget 1.9.2.
> 
> This is a release due to two reasons:
> - there are some bug fixes and enhancements since 1.9.0
> - ActiveTCL contained a package BWidget 1.9.1 which was a development
> snapshot from the Tile-enabled version.
>   Anybody having compatibility issues with this version is encouraged to
> use BWidget 1.9.2
>   The Tile-enabled version will not be released as 1.9.x.
> 
> Thanks to all reporters, contributers and testers.
> Sorry for the eventual troubble with BWidget 1.9.1 (and of cause with
> this release if you might have any).
> 
> Attached are the full release notes.
> 
> Regards,
> Harald
> -----
> BWidget ToolKit 1.9.2				June 2010
> Copyright (c) 1998-1999 UNIFIX.
> Copyright (c) 2001-2002 ActiveState Corp.
> 
> See the file LICENSE.txt for license info (uses Tcl's BSD-style license).
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Maintenance release containing some bugfixes and minor enhancements.
> 
> Highlight:
> - ListBox: Drag and Drop sample handles multiple items
> 
> Release 1.9.1 was included in ActiveTCL in may 2010.
> This release was a snapshop of the outcomming tile-enhanced version which
> showed incompatibilities in default option handling.
> This 1.9.2 release does not include the Tile enhancements but only bug fixes
> arised after release 1.9.0.
> 
> Remark that this is a snapshot of the bugfix release branch which resides
> in tcllib cvs under the tag "bwidget".
> The trunc contains the tile-enabled version.
> 
> Dedication:
> This release is dedicated to Luc Moulinier who organized the European TCL
> user meeting where this release was coordinated.
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> WHAT IS BWIDGET ?
> 
> The BWidget Toolkit is a high-level Widget Set for Tcl/Tk built using
> native Tcl/Tk 8.x namespaces.
> 
> The BWidgets have a professional look&feel as in other well known
> Toolkits (Tix or Incr Widgets), but the concept is radically different
> because everything is pure Tcl/Tk.  No platform dependencies, and no
> compiling required.  The code is 100% Pure Tcl/Tk.
> 
> The BWidget library was originally developed by UNIFIX Online, and
> released under both the GNU Public License and the Tcl license.
> BWidget is now maintained as a community project, hosted by
> Sourceforge.  Scores of fixes and enhancements have been added by
> community developers.  See the ChangeLog file for details.
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> WIDGET LIST (1.9)
> 
> Simple Widgets
>       Label           Extended Label widget
>       Entry           Extended Entry widget
>       Button          Extended Button widget
>       ArrowButton     Button widget with an arrow shape.
>       ProgressBar     Progress indicator widget
>       ScrollView      Display the visible area of a scrolled window
>       Separator       3D separator widget
> 
> Manager Widgets
>       MainFrame       Manage toplevel with menu, toolbar and statusbar
>       LabelFrame      Frame with a Label
>       TitleFrame      Frame with a title
>       ScrolledWindow  Generic scrolled widget
>       ScrollableFrame Scrollable frame containing widget
>       PanedWindow     Tiled layout manager widget
>       ButtonBox       Set of buttons with horizontal or vertical layout
>       PagesManager    Pages manager widget
>       NoteBook        Notebook manager widget
>       Dialog          Dialog abstraction with custom buttons
> 
> Composite Widgets
>       LabelEntry      LabelFrame containing an Entry widget.
>       ComboBox        ComboBox widget
>       SpinBox         SpinBox widget
>       Tree            Tree widget
>       ListBox         ListBox widget
>       MessageDlg      Message dialog box
>       ProgressDlg     Progress indicator dialog box
>       PasswdDlg       Login/Password dialog box (contributed by Stephane
> Lavirotte)
>       SelectFont      Font selection widget
>       SelectColor     Color selection widget
> 
> Commands Classes
>       Widget          The Widget base class
>       DynamicHelp     Provide help to Tk widget or BWidget
>       DragSite        Commands set for Drag facilities
>       DropSite        Commands set for Drop facilities
>       BWidget         Utilities
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> INSTALLATION AND USE
> 
> - On Unix Platform:
>   Uncompress the file BWidget-<version>.tar.Z|gz
> 
>   To use the BWidget:
>   - If you have uncompressed the archive file under the Tcl Library Path
>     directory, you only need to do:
>       % package require BWidget
>   - If not, you have to specify the BWidget installation path in auto_path
>     global variable:
>       % lappend auto_path <install_path>
>       % package require BWidget
> 
>   To launch the demo, you need to cd into the demo subdirectory:
>       $ cd <install_path>/demo
>       $ wish demo.tcl
> 
> - On Windows and others Platforms:
>   Uncompress the file BWidget-<version>.zip
> 
>   To use the BWidget:
>   - If you uncompressed the archive file under the Tcl Library Path
>     directory, you only need to do:
>       % package require BWidget
>   - If not, you have to specify the BWidget installation path in auto_path
>     global variable:
>       % lappend auto_path your_path
>       % package require BWidget
> 
>   To launch the demo :
>       Double click on demo.tcl in the demo subdirectory
> 
> 
> Distribution contains these directories:
> 
> BWidget-<version>   Root directory and BWidget Tcl sources
>    BWman        HTML manual pages
>    images       images used by BWidget
>    lang         Resources for language customization
>    demo         Demo sources
>    tests        BWidgets test suite
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> DOCUMENTATION
> 
> HTML manual pages are available in the BWman subdirectory.  Point to
> index.html for frame version with tree navigation, or to contents.html
> for no frame version.
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> CONTACTS
> 
> The BWidget toolkit is maintained on Sourceforge, at
> http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/tcllib/
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Changes:
> 	(Only showing changes since BWidget 1.9 release.)
> 
> 
> 2010-05-31 Harald Oehlmann < oe...@us...>
> 
> 	* listbox.html Reflected patch 2010-05-12 in documentation.
> 	The selection may not be disabled any more by binding button 1.
> 
> 2010-05-12 Harald Oehlmann < oe...@us...>
> 
> 	* listbox.tcl(ListBox::bindText and ListBox::bindImage)
> 	Method bindText and bindImage overwrote internal selection
> 	bindings [Bug 3000293] reported by Robert Karen.
> 
> 2010-05-11 Harald Oehlmann < oe...@us...>
> 
> 	* listbox.tcl(ListBox::see) Method see shifts image out of
> 	view. Showed up, by a selection click on a long item with icon
> 	[Bug 2999764] reported by Robert Karen.
> 
> 2010-05-05 Harald Oehlmann < oe...@us...>
> 
> 	* listbox.tcl(ListBox::_configureSelectmode) Drag modifies
> 	multiple selection [Bug 2995969] reported by Robert Karen.
> 	Bound events on ButtonRelease-1 instead Button-1 for multiple
> 	selections to avoid bug.
> 	* listbox.tcl(ListBox::_drag_and_drop) The default drag and drop
> 	routine only handled single drag and drop.
> 	It was extended to handle also drag and drop of multiple entries.
> 
> 2009-09-03 Harald Oehlmann  <oe...@us...>
> 
> 	* util.tcl(BWidget::place), BWidget.html Widget placed incorrectly,
> 	when bigger than current screen [Bug 2850031] by Thomas Grausgruber
> 	Possible incompatibility: BWidget::place w h -> w,h are reduced to
> 	screen width.
> 
> 2009-08-12 Harald Oehlmann  <oe...@us...>
> 
> 	* dynhelp.tcl Use balloon help font TkTooltipFont if tk <= 8.5.
> 	Otherwise use helvetica 11 on Aqua [Patch 2835180] for Kevin Walzer
> 	* dynhelp.tcl(DynamicHelp::_show_help)Replaced aqua conditional code
> 	check by $Widget::_aqua
> 
> 2009-08-10 Harald Oehlmann  <oe...@us...>
> 
> 	* notebook.tcl (NoteBook::delete) Method delete destroyframe=1 and
> 	reinsertion -> raise failed - state variables were deleted.
> 	[Bug 2831785] by kjnash
> 	* tree.tcl (Tree::_keynav) Fire virtual event <<TreeSelect>> also on
> 	keyboard navigation [Patch 2828086] by Kevin Walzer
> 	* combobox.tcl Replaced aqua conditional code check by $Widget::_aqua
> 
> 2009-08-10 Harald Oehlmann  <oe...@us...>
> 
> 	**** Branched to bwidget ****
> 
> 	This is the bwidget branch of module bwidget of tcllib
> 	Use "-r bwidget" for all cvs operations
> 	Scope: Package BWidget compatible to tcl/tk 8.1 and tk
> 	(e.g. no tile/ttk).
> 
> 
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[Tcllib-devel] Announce: BWidget 1.9.2

[Harald O. <Har...@El...>]

As 3rd result of the European User meeting in Strasbourg, I am pleased
to announce BWidget 1.9.2.

This is a release due to two reasons:
- there are some bug fixes and enhancements since 1.9.0
- ActiveTCL contained a package BWidget 1.9.1 which was a development
snapshot from the Tile-enabled version.
  Anybody having compatibility issues with this version is encouraged to
use BWidget 1.9.2
  The Tile-enabled version will not be released as 1.9.x.

Thanks to all reporters, contributers and testers.
Sorry for the eventual troubble with BWidget 1.9.1 (and of cause with
this release if you might have any).

Attached are the full release notes.

Regards,
Harald
-----
BWidget ToolKit 1.9.2				June 2010
Copyright (c) 1998-1999 UNIFIX.
Copyright (c) 2001-2002 ActiveState Corp.

See the file LICENSE.txt for license info (uses Tcl's BSD-style license).

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Maintenance release containing some bugfixes and minor enhancements.

Highlight:
- ListBox: Drag and Drop sample handles multiple items

Release 1.9.1 was included in ActiveTCL in may 2010.
This release was a snapshop of the outcomming tile-enhanced version which
showed incompatibilities in default option handling.
This 1.9.2 release does not include the Tile enhancements but only bug fixes
arised after release 1.9.0.

Remark that this is a snapshot of the bugfix release branch which resides
in tcllib cvs under the tag "bwidget".
The trunc contains the tile-enabled version.

Dedication:
This release is dedicated to Luc Moulinier who organized the European TCL
user meeting where this release was coordinated.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

WHAT IS BWIDGET ?

The BWidget Toolkit is a high-level Widget Set for Tcl/Tk built using
native Tcl/Tk 8.x namespaces.

The BWidgets have a professional look&feel as in other well known
Toolkits (Tix or Incr Widgets), but the concept is radically different
because everything is pure Tcl/Tk.  No platform dependencies, and no
compiling required.  The code is 100% Pure Tcl/Tk.

The BWidget library was originally developed by UNIFIX Online, and
released under both the GNU Public License and the Tcl license.
BWidget is now maintained as a community project, hosted by
Sourceforge.  Scores of fixes and enhancements have been added by
community developers.  See the ChangeLog file for details.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

WIDGET LIST (1.9)

Simple Widgets
      Label           Extended Label widget
      Entry           Extended Entry widget
      Button          Extended Button widget
      ArrowButton     Button widget with an arrow shape.
      ProgressBar     Progress indicator widget
      ScrollView      Display the visible area of a scrolled window
      Separator       3D separator widget

Manager Widgets
      MainFrame       Manage toplevel with menu, toolbar and statusbar
      LabelFrame      Frame with a Label
      TitleFrame      Frame with a title
      ScrolledWindow  Generic scrolled widget
      ScrollableFrame Scrollable frame containing widget
      PanedWindow     Tiled layout manager widget
      ButtonBox       Set of buttons with horizontal or vertical layout
      PagesManager    Pages manager widget
      NoteBook        Notebook manager widget
      Dialog          Dialog abstraction with custom buttons

Composite Widgets
      LabelEntry      LabelFrame containing an Entry widget.
      ComboBox        ComboBox widget
      SpinBox         SpinBox widget
      Tree            Tree widget
      ListBox         ListBox widget
      MessageDlg      Message dialog box
      ProgressDlg     Progress indicator dialog box
      PasswdDlg       Login/Password dialog box (contributed by Stephane
Lavirotte)
      SelectFont      Font selection widget
      SelectColor     Color selection widget

Commands Classes
      Widget          The Widget base class
      DynamicHelp     Provide help to Tk widget or BWidget
      DragSite        Commands set for Drag facilities
      DropSite        Commands set for Drop facilities
      BWidget         Utilities

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
INSTALLATION AND USE

- On Unix Platform:
  Uncompress the file BWidget-<version>.tar.Z|gz

  To use the BWidget:
  - If you have uncompressed the archive file under the Tcl Library Path
    directory, you only need to do:
      % package require BWidget
  - If not, you have to specify the BWidget installation path in auto_path
    global variable:
      % lappend auto_path <install_path>
      % package require BWidget

  To launch the demo, you need to cd into the demo subdirectory:
      $ cd <install_path>/demo
      $ wish demo.tcl

- On Windows and others Platforms:
  Uncompress the file BWidget-<version>.zip

  To use the BWidget:
  - If you uncompressed the archive file under the Tcl Library Path
    directory, you only need to do:
      % package require BWidget
  - If not, you have to specify the BWidget installation path in auto_path
    global variable:
      % lappend auto_path your_path
      % package require BWidget

  To launch the demo :
      Double click on demo.tcl in the demo subdirectory


Distribution contains these directories:

BWidget-<version>   Root directory and BWidget Tcl sources
   BWman        HTML manual pages
   images       images used by BWidget
   lang         Resources for language customization
   demo         Demo sources
   tests        BWidgets test suite


--------------------------------------------------------------------------

DOCUMENTATION

HTML manual pages are available in the BWman subdirectory.  Point to
index.html for frame version with tree navigation, or to contents.html
for no frame version.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

CONTACTS

The BWidget toolkit is maintained on Sourceforge, at
http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/tcllib/

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Changes:
	(Only showing changes since BWidget 1.9 release.)


2010-05-31 Harald Oehlmann < oe...@us...>

	* listbox.html Reflected patch 2010-05-12 in documentation.
	The selection may not be disabled any more by binding button 1.

2010-05-12 Harald Oehlmann < oe...@us...>

	* listbox.tcl(ListBox::bindText and ListBox::bindImage)
	Method bindText and bindImage overwrote internal selection
	bindings [Bug 3000293] reported by Robert Karen.

2010-05-11 Harald Oehlmann < oe...@us...>

	* listbox.tcl(ListBox::see) Method see shifts image out of
	view. Showed up, by a selection click on a long item with icon
	[Bug 2999764] reported by Robert Karen.

2010-05-05 Harald Oehlmann < oe...@us...>

	* listbox.tcl(ListBox::_configureSelectmode) Drag modifies
	multiple selection [Bug 2995969] reported by Robert Karen.
	Bound events on ButtonRelease-1 instead Button-1 for multiple
	selections to avoid bug.
	* listbox.tcl(ListBox::_drag_and_drop) The default drag and drop
	routine only handled single drag and drop.
	It was extended to handle also drag and drop of multiple entries.

2009-09-03 Harald Oehlmann  <oe...@us...>

	* util.tcl(BWidget::place), BWidget.html Widget placed incorrectly,
	when bigger than current screen [Bug 2850031] by Thomas Grausgruber
	Possible incompatibility: BWidget::place w h -> w,h are reduced to
	screen width.

2009-08-12 Harald Oehlmann  <oe...@us...>

	* dynhelp.tcl Use balloon help font TkTooltipFont if tk <= 8.5.
	Otherwise use helvetica 11 on Aqua [Patch 2835180] for Kevin Walzer
	* dynhelp.tcl(DynamicHelp::_show_help)Replaced aqua conditional code
	check by $Widget::_aqua

2009-08-10 Harald Oehlmann  <oe...@us...>

	* notebook.tcl (NoteBook::delete) Method delete destroyframe=1 and
	reinsertion -> raise failed - state variables were deleted.
	[Bug 2831785] by kjnash
	* tree.tcl (Tree::_keynav) Fire virtual event <<TreeSelect>> also on
	keyboard navigation [Patch 2828086] by Kevin Walzer
	* combobox.tcl Replaced aqua conditional code check by $Widget::_aqua

2009-08-10 Harald Oehlmann  <oe...@us...>

	**** Branched to bwidget ****

	This is the bwidget branch of module bwidget of tcllib
	Use "-r bwidget" for all cvs operations
	Scope: Package BWidget compatible to tcl/tk 8.1 and tk
	(e.g. no tile/ttk).

Re: [Tcllib-devel] Has anyone noticed the keywords being output during tcllib doc generation?

[Andreas D. <an...@dr...>]

Dear all,
The man files had some wrapper procedures around the section and 
subsection commands that allowed structuring visually the different 
sections and sub sections in the documentation source files. These 
wrapper procedures have still contained by mistake some debugging code.
The wrapper procedures have now be replaced by the original section and 
sub section commands which eliminates the output of the mentioned 
strange text. The updated documentation source files have been 
transferred into to the repository.
Best regards,
Andreas

On 17.05.10 17:10, Andreas Kupries wrote:
> Larry W. Virden wrote:
>    
>> I was just processing the latest tcllib cvs head from the activestate
>> ftp site. I noticed the following:
>>
>> followed by more words
>>
>> I took a look at the file in the module/tepam directory and I'm
>> perplexed at why these are going to stdout (or perhaps it is stderr).
>> I don't know all the formatting tags, so I may be missing something.
>>      
> The tepam documentation files contains some 'macro definitions' based on Tcl's
> 'proc' command, and their bodies contain 'puts'. During their execution as part
> of the documentation processing they print to stdout.
>
> Strictly speaking 'proc' is not part of the doctools language. It works only
> because the doctools commands are interpreted as Tcl commands, run through a
> safe interp. Meaning that you can use most Tcl commands, not just the doctools
> markup commands, in your docs. This is not documented however, and an internal
> 'feature' of the implementation. In other words, this can go away any time.
>
> Fact of the matter, for doctools::idx and doctools::toc this has gone away in
> the 2.x code I have written. For doctools itself it still works just because I
> haven't done its v2 yet.
>    
>> Is this output expected from doctools? If not, does someone see what is
>>      
> No.
>
>    
>> missing? If it is expected, I'm puzzled why these terms are being output
>> and other terms, which appear to be coded similarly in the same file,
>> are not being output.
>>
>> Thanks for insights.
>>      
>    

Re: [Tcllib-devel] Has anyone noticed the keywords being output during tcllib doc generation?

[Andreas K. <and...@ac...>]

Larry W. Virden wrote:
> I was just processing the latest tcllib cvs head from the activestate 
> ftp site. I noticed the following:
>  
> followed by more words
>  
> I took a look at the file in the module/tepam directory and I'm 
> perplexed at why these are going to stdout (or perhaps it is stderr).
> I don't know all the formatting tags, so I may be missing something.

The tepam documentation files contains some 'macro definitions' based on Tcl's 
'proc' command, and their bodies contain 'puts'. During their execution as part 
of the documentation processing they print to stdout.

Strictly speaking 'proc' is not part of the doctools language. It works only 
because the doctools commands are interpreted as Tcl commands, run through a 
safe interp. Meaning that you can use most Tcl commands, not just the doctools 
markup commands, in your docs. This is not documented however, and an internal 
'feature' of the implementation. In other words, this can go away any time.

Fact of the matter, for doctools::idx and doctools::toc this has gone away in 
the 2.x code I have written. For doctools itself it still works just because I 
haven't done its v2 yet.


> Is this output expected from doctools? If not, does someone see what is 

No.

> missing? If it is expected, I'm puzzled why these terms are being output 
> and other terms, which appear to be coded similarly in the same file, 
> are not being output.
>  
> Thanks for insights.

-- 
Sincerely,
     Andreas Kupries <an...@ac...>
     Developer @    <http://www.activestate.com/>

[Tcllib-devel] Has anyone noticed the keywords being output during tcllib doc generation?

[Larry W. V. <lv...@gm...>]

I was just processing the latest tcllib cvs head from the activestate ftp
site. I noticed the following:
Generating /projects/sprs_lwv/tcl86/man/mann/tepam_procedure.n
TERMINOLOGY
PROCEDURE DECLARATION
Procedure Attributes
Argument Declaration
VARIABLES
ARGUMENT TYPES
Predefined Argument Types
Defining Application Specific Argument Types
PROCEDURE CALLS
Help
Interactive Procedure Call
Unnamed Arguments

followed by more words

I took a look at the file in the module/tepam directory and I'm perplexed at
why these are going to stdout (or perhaps it is stderr).
I don't know all the formatting tags, so I may be missing something.

Is this output expected from doctools? If not, does someone see what is
missing? If it is expected, I'm puzzled why these terms are being output and
other terms, which appear to be coded similarly in the same file, are not
being output.

Thanks for insights.

-- 
Tcl - The glue of a new generation.   http://wiki.tcl.tk/
Larry W. Virden
http://www.xanga.com/lvirden/
Even if explicitly stated to the contrary, nothing in this posting
should be construed as representing my employer's opinions.

[Tcllib-devel] 1st Call For Papers, 17th Annual Tcl/Tk Conference 2010

[Andreas K. <and...@ac...>]

17th Annual Tcl/Tk Conference (Tcl'2010)
http://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2010/

October 11 - 15, 2010
Hilton Suites/Conference Center

Chicago/Oakbrook Terrace, Illinois, USA

Important Dates:

Abstracts and proposals due   August   1, 2010
Notification to authors       August  15, 2010
WIP and BOF reservations open August   1, 2010
Author materials due          October  1, 2010
Tutorials Start               October 11, 2010
Conference starts             October 13, 2010

Email Contact:                tcl...@go...

Submission of Summaries

Tcl/Tk 2010 will be held in Chicago/Oakbrook Terrace, Illinois USA
from October 11 - 15, 2010. The program committee is asking for papers
and presentation proposals from anyone using or developing with Tcl/Tk
(and extensions). Past conferences have seen submissions covering a
wide variety of topics including:

* Scientific and engineering applications
* Industrial controls
* Distributed applications and Network Managment
* Object oriented extensions to Tcl/Tk
* New widgets for Tk
* Simulation and application steering with Tcl/Tk
* Tcl/Tk-centric operating environments
* Tcl/Tk on small and embedded devices
* Medical applications and visualization
* Use of different programming paradigms in Tcl/Tk and proposals for new
  directions.
* New areas of exploration for the Tcl/Tk language

This year is the third year that the Tcl community is participating in
the Google Summer of Code.  The conference program committee would
like to encourage submissions that report on the Tcl projects selected
for Google SoC 2010.

Submissions should consist of an abstract of about 100 words and a
summary of not more than two pages, and should be sent as plain text
to <tclconference AT googlegroups DOT com> no later than August 15,
2010. Authors of accepted abstracts will have until October 1, 2010 to
submit their final paper for the inclusion in the conference
proceedings. The proceedings will be made available on digital media,
so extra materials such as presentation slides, code examples, code
for extensions etc. are encouraged.

Printed proceedings will be produced as an on-demand book at lulu.com

The authors will have 25 minutes to present their paper at the
conference.

The program committee will review and evaluate papers according to the
following criteria:

* Quantity and quality of novel content
* Relevance and interest to the Tcl/Tk community
* Suitability of content for presentation at the conference

Proposals may report on commercial or non-commercial systems, but
those with only blatant marketing content will not be accepted.

Application and experience papers need to strike a balance between
background on the application domain and the relevance of Tcl/Tk to
the application. Application and experience papers should clearly
explain how the application or experience illustrates a novel use of
Tcl/Tk, and what lessons the Tcl/Tk community can derive from the
application or experience to apply to their own development efforts.

Papers accompanied by non-disclosure agreements will be returned to
the author(s) unread. All submissions are held in the highest
confidentiality prior to publication in the Proceedings, both as a
matter of policy and in accord with the U. S. Copyright Act of 1976.

The primary author for each accepted paper will receive registration
to the Technical Sessions portion of the conference at a reduced rate.

Other Forms of Participation

The program committee also welcomes proposals for panel discussions of
up to 90 minutes. Proposals should include a list of confirmed
panelists, a title and format, and a panel description with position
statements from each panelist. Panels should have no more than four
speakers, including the panel moderator, and should allow time for
substantial interaction with attendees. Panels are not presentations
of related research papers.

Slots for Works-in-Progress (WIP) presentations and Birds-of-a-Feather
sessions (BOFs) are available on a first-come, first-served basis
starting in August 1, 2010. Specific instructions for reserving WIP
and BOF time slots will be provided in the registration information
available in June 2010. Some WIP and BOF time slots will be held open
for on-site reservation. All attendees with an interesting work in
progress should consider reserving a WIP slot.

Registration Information

More information on the conference is available the conference Web
site (http://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2010/) and will be published on
various Tcl/Tk-related information channels.

To keep in touch with news regarding the conference and Tcl events in
general, subscribe to the tcl-announce list. See:
http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Mail/ to subscribe to the
tcl-announce mailing list.


Conference Committee

Clif Flynt              Noumena Corp                    General Chair, Website Admin
Andreas Kupries         ActiveState Software Inc.       Program Chair
Cyndy Lilagan           Iomas Research, LLC             Facilities Coordination
Brian Griffin           Mentor Graphics
Ron Fox                 NSCL/FRIB Michigan State University
Arjen Markus            Deltares
Mike Doyle              Iomas Research, LLC
Gerald Lester           KnG Consulting, LLC
Donal Fellows           University of Manchester
Jeffrey Hobbs           ActiveState Software Inc.
Steve Landers           Digital Smarties
Kevin Kenny             GE Global Research Center
Ken Jones               Avia Training
Larry Virden            Tcl FAQ Maintainer
Steve Redler IV		SR Technology

Contact Information     tcl...@go...


Tcl'2010 would like to thank those who are sponsoring the conference:

ActiveState Software Inc.
Buonacorsi Foundation
Mentor Graphics
Noumena Corp.
SR Technology
Tcl Community Association

Re: [Tcllib-devel] Tcllib: Adding a module for an enhanced procedure and argument management

[Andreas D. <dr...@us...>]

Hello,
It seems that mail attachements are generally removed by the SF mail 
distribution system.
The TEPAM documentation is of course also part of the TEPAM module that 
has been checked into the repository. You have to generate yourself the 
documentation from the Doctools format into your preferred format. Sorry 
for the inconvenience!
Best regards,
Andreas Drollinger

On 16.02.10 17:43, Andreas Kupries wrote:
> Andreas Drollinger wrote:
>> Dear Tcllib developer,
>> I finally could complete the cleanup work on the new Tcllib module 
>> TEPAM (Tcl's Enhanced Procedure and Argument Manager) and check-in a 
>> first version into the repository.
>
>> The interested people can find the documentation of this new module 
>> attached to this mail.
>
> Actually we will not. The SF mailing lists strip attachments of mails 
> going through them.
>

Re: [Tcllib-devel] Tcllib: Adding a module for an enhanced procedure and argument management

[Andreas K. <and...@ac...>]

Andreas Drollinger wrote:
> Dear Tcllib developer,
> I finally could complete the cleanup work on the new Tcllib module TEPAM 
> (Tcl's Enhanced Procedure and Argument Manager) and check-in a first 
> version into the repository.

> The interested people can find the documentation of this new module 
> attached to this mail.

Actually we will not. The SF mailing lists strip attachments of mails going 
through them.

-- 
Sincerely,
     Andreas Kupries <an...@ac...>
     Developer @    <http://www.activestate.com/>