Re: [Tcllib-devel] [TCLCORE] Tcl GSoC 2011 - Ideas anyone ?

[Larry M. <lm...@bi...>]

I'd kinda like to get a discussion going around Tk.  My personal
feeling is that for the non-tcl people using tcl, it is all about Tk.
By "non-tcl" I mean no disrespect, but there are a set of people, call
them T, who love the tcl syntax and rules, etc.  And I have respect,
true respect for Tcl, especially in the tcl runtime.  Many times I have
found that Tcl has figured out a solution to a portability problem before
we have.  There is real value there.

There is another set of people, call them !T, that use tcl in spite
of tcl.  They don't like the tcl syntax at all but they put up with it
because tcl gets them TK.

This will not play well in this venue but my feeling is that without
the !T crowd, tcl would be far more obscure than it is (and it is pretty
obscure, I was told recently that the language shootout people dropped
tcl a while back, which is, if true, a bummer).

Tk gets some attention now and then but tcl gets lots of attention,
from the crowd of people here.  TK needs more lovin.

I would be open to taking on some effort on TK, to make it better,
require less libs, be even more compelling than it is.  And it is
pretty compelling, it's way more pleasant than other GUI toolkits
in my opinion.  

Colin will step up and say I want to control everything, and he's
partially right.  Sort of.  I have absolutely zero interest in
controlling the direction of tcl, you guys are doing fine on that,
I do have issues and I voice them, but I am fine with being 
ignored or shouted down.  On tcl.  On TK, I'd like to have more
progress.  Or better put, I am willing to put some energy and 
money there.  If it can do some good and if it has a different 
process than the TIP process (or not, if the $DVCS changes help
make the process better.  But as things stand, I'm not spending
a dime to push something through the TIP process).

So, what do you guys want?

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 02:52:29PM -0800, Andreas Kupries wrote:
> 
> Our GSoC 2011 page at
> 
> 	http://wiki.tcl.tk/26127
> 
> looks a bit sparse.
> 
> While we can fluff it up a bit by copying ideas from previous years which did 
> not get executed onto the page (or subpages like in the table at the end), I 
> would really like to have newer ideas as well.
> 
> Anybody with spare cycles, please think and/or dream up ideas and put them up.
> 
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