From: Torsten B. <re...@ma...> - 2008-03-22 20:59:45
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> I could port from Carbon to Cocoa, I have done this > many a times for other companies. Does anyone think this would be a > good idea and a worthwhile undertaking? >> This would be fantastic! It is definitely worth the work, however hard it may be (I can't tell). Although it would be a great thing to have Tcl on the iPhone (would make it even harder for me not to buy it) I woud propose to focus on Tcl for the Mac in the first place. The user community is much larger there, and I would assume help is nearer too. And, Tcl and Tk already run on the Mac, so this is a good place to start, while the iPhone doesn't even have Tcl now. Is there a Tcl version for the iPhone CPU (ARM?) anyway? Torsten |
From: J. T. S. <mai...@ja...> - 2008-03-24 23:14:34
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Hi All, OK, well since a lot of people think this is worth while, I will start doing this and I will blog my progress. I will post a URL to the blog in a few days, I am re-arranging my web hosting now based upon some other business items. Feel free to contact me anytime for an update. -Jason On Mar 22, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Torsten Berg wrote: > >> I could port from Carbon to Cocoa, I have done this >> many a times for other companies. Does anyone think this would be a >> good idea and a worthwhile undertaking? >>> > > > This would be fantastic! It is definitely worth the work, however > hard it may be (I can't tell). > > Although it would be a great thing to have Tcl on the iPhone (would > make it even harder for me not to buy it) I woud propose to focus on > Tcl for the Mac in the first place. The user community is much larger > there, and I would assume help is nearer too. And, Tcl and Tk already > run on the Mac, so this is a good place to start, while the iPhone > doesn't even have Tcl now. Is there a Tcl version for the iPhone CPU > (ARM?) anyway? > > Torsten > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Tcl-mac mailing list > tc...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tcl-mac |
From: Daniel A. S. <da...@us...> - 2008-03-27 17:00:06
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Hi Jason, On 25/03/2008, at 0:14, J. Todd Slack wrote: > OK, well since a lot of people think this is worth while, I will > start doing this and I will blog my progress. that's great news! I have investigated what would be necessary for a Tk Cocoa port in quite some detail and have talked with several Cocoa engineers at the last WWDC about some of the trickier areas, so I have quite a detailed picture of what needs to be done that I can look at writing up for you if you'd like. Unfortunately I've had to decide that the amount of work is such (I'd estimate 6-12 man-months) that I cannot have a go at this on my own in my (recently much reduced) spare time, but I'd certainly be happy to help out if you get stuck. As has been mentioned here, I have proposed a Google Summer of Code project for a subset of this effort http://wiki.tcl.tk/20832#pagetoc8a734dd7 if we get a successful student application for this, it would be good to coordinate efforts. Cheers, Daniel -- ** Daniel A. Steffen ** ** <mailto:da...@us...> ** |
From: J. T. S. <mai...@ja...> - 2008-03-27 21:17:54
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Hi Daniel, Thank you for your e-mail. >> OK, well since a lot of people think this is worth while, I will >> start doing this and I will blog my progress. > > that's great news! > > I have investigated what would be necessary for a Tk Cocoa port in > quite some detail and have talked with several Cocoa engineers at > the last WWDC about some of the trickier areas, so I have quite a > detailed picture of what needs to be done that I can look at writing > up for you if you'd like. Yes, please, when can I expect to receive this? It would really help confirm the steps I think are necessary, etc. > As has been mentioned here, I have proposed a Google Summer of Code > project for a subset of this effort > http://wiki.tcl.tk/20832#pagetoc8a734dd7 > if we get a successful student application for this, it would be > good to coordinate efforts. Agreed. Thanks! -Jason |
From: Daniel A. S. <da...@us...> - 2008-03-27 21:56:20
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On 27/03/2008, at 22:17, J. Todd Slack wrote: > Yes, please, when can I expect to receive this? It would really help > confirm the steps I think are necessary, etc. I'll have a go over the next few days, I should have something cogent early next week... I'm thinking such a roadmap might best be done on wiki.tcl.tk so that it can easily be added to/amended over time (and maybe ticked off as work progresses)? Cheers, Daniel -- ** Daniel A. Steffen ** ** <mailto:da...@us...> ** |
From: J. T. S. <mai...@ja...> - 2008-03-28 18:16:07
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Hi Daniel. Great, thank you for this effort. Once I have your items and a concrete plan, I am happy to post on the Wiki as well as me website. Thanks! -Jason On Mar 27, 2008, at 2:56 PM, Daniel A. Steffen wrote: > > On 27/03/2008, at 22:17, J. Todd Slack wrote: > >> Yes, please, when can I expect to receive this? It would really help >> confirm the steps I think are necessary, etc. > > I'll have a go over the next few days, I should have something > cogent early next week... > I'm thinking such a roadmap might best be done on wiki.tcl.tk so > that it can easily be added to/amended over time (and maybe ticked > off as work progresses)? > > Cheers, > > Daniel > > -- > ** Daniel A. Steffen ** > ** <mailto:da...@us...> ** > > |
From: Kevin W. <kw...@co...> - 2008-04-18 01:26:42
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J. Todd Slack wrote: > Hi Daniel. > > Great, thank you for this effort. > > Once I have your items and a concrete plan, I am happy to post on the > Wiki as well as me website. > > Thanks! > -Jason > > Jason, Anything to report on this project? A roadmap, initial plan, website, etc? --Kevin -- Kevin Walzer Code by Kevin http://www.codebykevin.com |
From: J. T. S. <mai...@ja...> - 2008-04-18 02:42:49
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Hi Kevin, >> Great, thank you for this effort. >> Once I have your items and a concrete plan, I am happy to post on >> the Wiki as well as me website. >> > Anything to report on this project? A roadmap, initial plan, > website, etc? I am working on a website as we speak, hoping to have it finalized this weekend. I do see that you sent me an e-mail. I will reply this weekend as well. Thanks, -Jason |
From: Jeff H. <je...@ac...> - 2008-04-18 05:51:36
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J. Todd Slack wrote: > Hi Kevin, > >>> Great, thank you for this effort. >>> Once I have your items and a concrete plan, I am happy to post on the >>> Wiki as well as me website. >>> > >> Anything to report on this project? A roadmap, initial plan, website, etc? > > I am working on a website as we speak, hoping to have it finalized this > weekend. > > I do see that you sent me an e-mail. I will reply this weekend as well. FWIW, I noticed that there was Tcl available via Installer.app. Don't know anything about it though. Jeff |
From: Jeff H. <je...@ac...> - 2008-03-24 23:36:35
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Hi Jason, Looking forward to watching the progress. FWIW, Tcl has been compiled for ARM processors before, but Linux or Windows/CE based. I imagine the Tcl part shouldn't be that hard. On the Cocoa/Tk side, that will be interesting. Feel free to mail the list or me directly if you have any compile issues. Cocoa is not an area I have much experience in, but it's all just code, right? I have a Mac and an iPod touch, but no iPhone, when it comes to testing. Jeff J. Todd Slack wrote: > Hi All, > > OK, well since a lot of people think this is worth while, I will start > doing this and I will blog my progress. > > I will post a URL to the blog in a few days, I am re-arranging my web > hosting now based upon some other business items. > > Feel free to contact me anytime for an update. > > -Jason > > > On Mar 22, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Torsten Berg wrote: > >>> I could port from Carbon to Cocoa, I have done this >>> many a times for other companies. Does anyone think this would be a >>> good idea and a worthwhile undertaking? >> >> This would be fantastic! It is definitely worth the work, however >> hard it may be (I can't tell). >> >> Although it would be a great thing to have Tcl on the iPhone (would >> make it even harder for me not to buy it) I woud propose to focus on >> Tcl for the Mac in the first place. The user community is much larger >> there, and I would assume help is nearer too. And, Tcl and Tk already >> run on the Mac, so this is a good place to start, while the iPhone >> doesn't even have Tcl now. Is there a Tcl version for the iPhone CPU >> (ARM?) anyway? >> >> Torsten |
From: Hans-Christoph S. <ha...@ed...> - 2008-03-27 01:29:51
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I've used Tcl/Tk on GNU/Linux ARM and it works well. .hc On Mar 24, 2008, at 7:36 PM, Jeff Hobbs wrote: > Hi Jason, > > Looking forward to watching the progress. FWIW, Tcl has been compiled > for ARM processors before, but Linux or Windows/CE based. I > imagine the > Tcl part shouldn't be that hard. On the Cocoa/Tk side, that will be > interesting. Feel free to mail the list or me directly if you have > any > compile issues. Cocoa is not an area I have much experience in, but > it's all just code, right? I have a Mac and an iPod touch, but no > iPhone, when it comes to testing. > > Jeff > > J. Todd Slack wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> OK, well since a lot of people think this is worth while, I will >> start >> doing this and I will blog my progress. >> >> I will post a URL to the blog in a few days, I am re-arranging my web >> hosting now based upon some other business items. >> >> Feel free to contact me anytime for an update. >> >> -Jason >> >> >> On Mar 22, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Torsten Berg wrote: >> >>>> I could port from Carbon to Cocoa, I have done this >>>> many a times for other companies. Does anyone think this would be a >>>> good idea and a worthwhile undertaking? >>> >>> This would be fantastic! It is definitely worth the work, however >>> hard it may be (I can't tell). >>> >>> Although it would be a great thing to have Tcl on the iPhone (would >>> make it even harder for me not to buy it) I woud propose to focus on >>> Tcl for the Mac in the first place. The user community is much >>> larger >>> there, and I would assume help is nearer too. And, Tcl and Tk >>> already >>> run on the Mac, so this is a good place to start, while the iPhone >>> doesn't even have Tcl now. Is there a Tcl version for the iPhone CPU >>> (ARM?) anyway? >>> >>> Torsten > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Tcl-mac mailing list > tc...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tcl-mac ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. - General Smedley Butler |
From: Daniel A. S. <da...@us...> - 2008-03-27 16:59:25
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Re running Tcl on the iPhone: if you have entered the iPhone dev program and downloaded the iPhone SDK you should read the iPhone SDK Agreement in detail (that you have entered into by doing so), in particular clause 3.3.2... As the agreement appears to be under the same NDA as the SDK itself, I cannot say more here; for the folks not under this restriction, a bit of googling will bring up the clause I am referring to, a number of people out there have violated their NDA in this respect... Cheers, Daniel -- ** Daniel A. Steffen ** ** <mailto:da...@us...> ** |
From: J. T. S. <mai...@ja...> - 2008-03-25 16:02:14
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Hi Jeff, Thanks! Anyone have any good ideas for a domain name to register for this? Jason On Mar 24, 2008, at 4:36 PM, Jeff Hobbs wrote: > Hi Jason, > > Looking forward to watching the progress. FWIW, Tcl has been > compiled for ARM processors before, but Linux or Windows/CE based. > I imagine the Tcl part shouldn't be that hard. On the Cocoa/Tk > side, that will be interesting. Feel free to mail the list or me > directly if you have any compile issues. Cocoa is not an area I > have much experience in, but it's all just code, right? I have a > Mac and an iPod touch, but no iPhone, when it comes to testing. > > Jeff > > J. Todd Slack wrote: >> Hi All, >> OK, well since a lot of people think this is worth while, I will >> start doing this and I will blog my progress. >> I will post a URL to the blog in a few days, I am re-arranging my >> web hosting now based upon some other business items. >> Feel free to contact me anytime for an update. >> -Jason >> On Mar 22, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Torsten Berg wrote: >>>> I could port from Carbon to Cocoa, I have done this >>>> many a times for other companies. Does anyone think this would be a >>>> good idea and a worthwhile undertaking? >>> >>> This would be fantastic! It is definitely worth the work, however >>> hard it may be (I can't tell). >>> >>> Although it would be a great thing to have Tcl on the iPhone (would >>> make it even harder for me not to buy it) I woud propose to focus on >>> Tcl for the Mac in the first place. The user community is much >>> larger >>> there, and I would assume help is nearer too. And, Tcl and Tk >>> already >>> run on the Mac, so this is a good place to start, while the iPhone >>> doesn't even have Tcl now. Is there a Tcl version for the iPhone CPU >>> (ARM?) anyway? >>> >>> Torsten |
From: Tim J. <tj...@to...> - 2008-03-25 16:14:39
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How about cocoatk.org or tkcocoa.org? Tim On Mar 25, 2008, at 9:02 AM, J. Todd Slack wrote: > Hi Jeff, > > Thanks! > > Anyone have any good ideas for a domain name to register for this? > > Jason > On Mar 24, 2008, at 4:36 PM, Jeff Hobbs wrote: > >> Hi Jason, >> >> Looking forward to watching the progress. FWIW, Tcl has been >> compiled for ARM processors before, but Linux or Windows/CE based. >> I imagine the Tcl part shouldn't be that hard. On the Cocoa/Tk >> side, that will be interesting. Feel free to mail the list or me >> directly if you have any compile issues. Cocoa is not an area I >> have much experience in, but it's all just code, right? I have a >> Mac and an iPod touch, but no iPhone, when it comes to testing. >> >> Jeff >> >> J. Todd Slack wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> OK, well since a lot of people think this is worth while, I will >>> start doing this and I will blog my progress. >>> I will post a URL to the blog in a few days, I am re-arranging my >>> web hosting now based upon some other business items. >>> Feel free to contact me anytime for an update. >>> -Jason >>> On Mar 22, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Torsten Berg wrote: >>>>> I could port from Carbon to Cocoa, I have done this >>>>> many a times for other companies. Does anyone think this would >>>>> be a >>>>> good idea and a worthwhile undertaking? >>>> >>>> This would be fantastic! It is definitely worth the work, however >>>> hard it may be (I can't tell). >>>> >>>> Although it would be a great thing to have Tcl on the iPhone (would >>>> make it even harder for me not to buy it) I woud propose to >>>> focus on >>>> Tcl for the Mac in the first place. The user community is much >>>> larger >>>> there, and I would assume help is nearer too. And, Tcl and Tk >>>> already >>>> run on the Mac, so this is a good place to start, while the iPhone >>>> doesn't even have Tcl now. Is there a Tcl version for the iPhone >>>> CPU >>>> (ARM?) anyway? >>>> >>>> Torsten > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Tcl-mac mailing list > tc...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tcl-mac > |
From: J. T. S. <mai...@ja...> - 2008-03-25 16:53:40
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Hi All, Actually, I am considering starting a corporation that focuses on improving open sourced solutions. It would be a not-for-profit organization.. My attorney has provided guidance. Can anyone think of a cool company name, that is where I am stumped. My business plan still uses "unknown Name" all over the place. Jason On Mar 25, 2008, at 9:14 AM, Tim Jones wrote: > How about cocoatk.org or tkcocoa.org? > > Tim > > > > On Mar 25, 2008, at 9:02 AM, J. Todd Slack wrote: >> Hi Jeff, >> >> Thanks! >> >> Anyone have any good ideas for a domain name to register for this? >> >> Jason >> On Mar 24, 2008, at 4:36 PM, Jeff Hobbs wrote: >> >>> Hi Jason, >>> >>> Looking forward to watching the progress. FWIW, Tcl has been >>> compiled for ARM processors before, but Linux or Windows/CE based. >>> I imagine the Tcl part shouldn't be that hard. On the Cocoa/Tk >>> side, that will be interesting. Feel free to mail the list or me >>> directly if you have any compile issues. Cocoa is not an area I >>> have much experience in, but it's all just code, right? I have a >>> Mac and an iPod touch, but no iPhone, when it comes to testing. >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> J. Todd Slack wrote: >>>> Hi All, >>>> OK, well since a lot of people think this is worth while, I will >>>> start doing this and I will blog my progress. >>>> I will post a URL to the blog in a few days, I am re-arranging my >>>> web hosting now based upon some other business items. >>>> Feel free to contact me anytime for an update. >>>> -Jason >>>> On Mar 22, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Torsten Berg wrote: >>>>>> I could port from Carbon to Cocoa, I have done this >>>>>> many a times for other companies. Does anyone think this would >>>>>> be a >>>>>> good idea and a worthwhile undertaking? >>>>> >>>>> This would be fantastic! It is definitely worth the work, however >>>>> hard it may be (I can't tell). >>>>> >>>>> Although it would be a great thing to have Tcl on the iPhone >>>>> (would >>>>> make it even harder for me not to buy it) I woud propose to >>>>> focus on >>>>> Tcl for the Mac in the first place. The user community is much >>>>> larger >>>>> there, and I would assume help is nearer too. And, Tcl and Tk >>>>> already >>>>> run on the Mac, so this is a good place to start, while the iPhone >>>>> doesn't even have Tcl now. Is there a Tcl version for the iPhone >>>>> CPU >>>>> (ARM?) anyway? >>>>> >>>>> Torsten >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft >> Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. >> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Tcl-mac mailing list >> tc...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tcl-mac >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse0120000070mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Tcl-mac mailing list > tc...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tcl-mac |