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From: <Ge...@Or...> - 2002-02-25 12:00:54
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Frommage: Brent Welch <we...@pa...> # # Hmm - for some reason this is the first mac-tcl email I've gotten # in a long time. Perhaps the list has gone stale. There's traffic, you must not be connected anymore. BTW, thanks for the terrific books (rev after rev). # I suggest you take your questions to the comp.lang.tcl newsgroup. Yep. ---- "Daniel A. Steffen" <st...@ic...> wrote: # # I'm sorry that you're disappointed with the list, probably it's # just that you've caught me and others at a very busy time... # # The problem with mac tcl/tk on OS9 is manyfold: [snip] Thanks for your reply. I had no idea when I started coding that Tcl/Tk on the Mac was such a third-world poverty implementation. I hope the MacOS X source is not such a problem, my client might buy a new iMac, which the WSJ reports is selling like hotcakes. The buttons under 9.1 looked so bad I switched most of them to labels to get a decent look. http://wired.com: Finally, a Photoshop for OS X. Alrighty. |
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From: Daniel A. S. <st...@ic...> - 2002-02-25 08:43:17
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George, I'm sorry that you're disappointed with the list, probably it's just that you've caught me and others at a very busy time... the problem with mac tcl/tk on OS9 is manyfold: - as Jim has said, the user community is not that large and is declining rapidly due to increasing OSX use. - the mac specific sources of tk are often quite hacky and newer MacOS releases have broken or made functionality more unstable (e.g. sockets, menus) - there is no "Tcl/Tk ActiveState 8.3.4", they are not supporting MacOS9; what you are presumably using is a distribution built by me... - lately I've been the only person working on the mac specific tk sources (in my free time), and as I've had the good fortune to be paid for a port of tcl/tk open source software to the mac in the last few months, of course during paid time spent on tk, I've been fixing bugs that showed up in that port. I've seen your [focus] bug in our app as well though, but haven't gotten around to fix it yet. - like Jim, i'm mostly using OSX now and the compiler/debugger used to build mac tcl/tk is very painful/impossible to use in classic mode, so I end up only spending time on mac tcl/tk when booted into OS9... - the other main project using mac tcl/tk I'm involved in (Alpha), only uses tcl and not tk, wich has contributed in the past to focusing my energy towards fixing tcl (which now passes all non-socket, non-thread tests on the mac btw, thanks to that work...) - there is little incentive for me and others at this stage to spend _large_ amounts of free time fixing buggy areas such as menus or sockets in OS9 specific code, given that it won't be used that much longer. - i'm also one of the tcl & tk maintainers for mac code in 8.4, so any leftover amount of time spent on tcl/tk often goes into tracking 8.4 improvements and adding/fixing code so that they build on the mac. your specific problems all sound like they can only be fixed in tk sources, and esp. the menu bugs look like they're in the very crufty MDEF code that is indeed buggy. so IMHO your options at this stage are to workaround the bugs in tcl as best you can (as you've done), spend time in the tk sources fixing bugs yourself, wait for someone else to do it (probably won't happen soon if at all), or to pay someone to do it... in any case, please report your bugs on the sourcefourge tk tracker, you can assign them to me (das): https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=12997&atid=112997 otherwise they will slip under the radar... sorry not to be more helpful... Cheers, Daniel -- ** Daniel A. Steffen ** "And now to something completely ** Department of Mathematics ** different" Monty Python ** Macquarie University ** <mailto:st...@ma...> ** NSW 2109 Australia ** <http://www.maths.mq.edu.au/~steffen/> |
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From: Joe L. <jfl...@dg...> - 2002-02-25 03:57:53
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Hi,
Sorry for the cross-post - this really involves both Tcl/Tk and
GLUT pretty equally.
I'm wondering if anyone has tried or has suggestions on integrating
GLUT and Tcl/AquaTk into the same application.
FYI, this is to bring a free for non-commercial (and source-available)
physics-based animation research application that runs on unix &
Windows to Mac OS X and maybe let one of the researcher's who wrote
it use it on his TiBook. I believe the app. is used by a number of
universities.
This integration is pretty straightforward (if not very pretty) in
linux, SGI and Windows.
The basic way things work on the other platforms is as
follows:
main() - sets up glut, including an idle callback, myGLUTIdleCallBack()
- calls TkMain() (never to return) with a callback of
myTkAppInit() (a tweaked version of tkMacOSXAppInit() on OSX)
myTkAppInit()
- setup tcl/tk more or less as in tkMacOSXAppInit()
- creates a one-time tcl timer to fire in a short time
calling myMainLoop()
myMainLoop()
- calls glutMainLoop() (never to return)
myGLUTIdleCallBack()
- calls Tk_DoOneEvent(TK_DONT_WAIT) until it returns 0
(i.e. no events left)
The program flow is as follows:
main()
--> TkMain( ... , myTkMacOSXAppInit )
--> myTkMacOSXAppInit()
--> TclCreateTimer( ... , myMainLoop )
[Tcl timer fires:]
myMainLoop()
--> glutMainLoop() (spins in here, calling)
[every GLUT idle callback:]
myGLUTIdleCallBack()
--> Tk_DoOneEvent(TK_DONT_WAIT)
(handle pending Tcl/Tk events)
The above only sort of works on MacOS X. Setup all seems ok, the
GLUT idle and display callbacks get called ok, the tk shell/console
works ok and the windows (both GLUT and Tk/Wish) can all be moved
around BUT
- the GLUT window never becomes the frontmost (it's always 'dimmed'
or whatever it's called)
- GLUT mouse and key event callbacks don't get called
My guess is that the problem is a conflict between GLUT's event
handling and AquaTk's event handling. It seems to work on other
platforms because they probably have event callbacks registered for
each window by the respective libraries and everyone is happy,
but in MacOS X it seems like AquaTk is stealing other window's
events. This was *definitely* a problem in Classic MacOS, which I
tried hacking together way back and gave up on doing cleanly.
Any help/suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Unfortunately,
I don't have a lot of time to spend on this, but I'd really like
to see this app. on MacOS X.
Joe.
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From: Jim I. <ji...@ap...> - 2002-02-24 04:14:21
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On 2/23/02 5:33 PM, "Robert Ramsay" <moc...@ro...> wrote: > Thanks for the info but I appear to be still stuck. > I'm new to cvs and that maybe the problem. > > I have been using the following to check out the project > > robertra% cvs -z8 > -d:pserver:ano...@cv...:/cvsroot/tcl co tcl > You need to do: robertra% cvs -z8 -d:pserver:ano...@cv...:/cvsroot/tcl co -rmacosx-8-4-branch tcl There are some pretty good docs for CVS in the developer install. Have a look at: file:///Developer/Documentation/Commands/cvs/cvs_toc.html And particularly the section on branches: file:///Developer/Documentation/Commands/cvs/cvs_48.html#SEC49 Hope this helps... Jim > and appear to getting source files for everything but macosx. > > [cpe00306547fc90:~/tmp_source/tcl/macosx] robertra% pwd > /Users/robertra/tmp_source/tcl/macosx > [cpe00306547fc90:~/tmp_source/tcl/macosx] robertra% find ./ -print > ./ > .//CVS > .//CVS/Entries > .//CVS/Repository > .//CVS/Root > .//Tcl.pbproj > .//Tcl.pbproj/CVS > .//Tcl.pbproj/CVS/Entries > .//Tcl.pbproj/CVS/Repository > .//Tcl.pbproj/CVS/Root > [cpe00306547fc90:~/tmp_source/tcl/macosx] robertra% > > > > rob > > > > > Jim Ingham wrote: > >> Are you sure that you checked out the macosx-8-4-branch? When you add >> directories to a branch, they infiltrate the head as well, but the >> files don't show up till they are committed to the head. I am still >> working on a branch, so you need to add >> >> -rmacosx-8-4-branch >> >> to your checkout line. >> >> Jim >> >> On Friday, February 22, 2002, at 02:53 AM, Robert Ramsay wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> Curious to know what I am missing about the following. >>> >>> I am attempting to build a version of the latest release of mac osx tcl. >>> >>> I've downloaded the tcl project from sourceforge via cvs anonymous. >>> >>>> drwxr-xr-x 21 robertra staff 670 Feb 21 07:13 . >>>> drwxr-xr-x 3 robertra staff 58 Feb 21 07:10 .. >>>> drwxr-xr-x 5 robertra staff 264 Feb 21 07:52 CVS >>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 180608 Feb 20 14:08 ChangeLog >>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 90675 Sep 13 15:10 ChangeLog.1999 >>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 94642 Jan 28 20:17 ChangeLog.2000 >>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 6935 Aug 8 2001 README >>>> drwxr-xr-x 3 robertra staff 264 Feb 21 07:13 S4-0-2 >>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 243291 Feb 19 03:38 changes >>>> drwxr-xr-x 27 robertra staff 874 Feb 21 07:13 compat >>>> drwxr-xr-x 4 robertra staff 264 Feb 21 07:13 djgpp >>>> drwxr-xr-x 195 robertra staff 6586 Feb 21 07:13 doc >>>> drwxr-xr-x 98 robertra staff 3288 Feb 21 07:13 generic >>>> drwxr-xr-x 31 robertra staff 1010 Feb 21 07:13 library >>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 2233 Jun 29 1998 license.terms >>>> drwxr-xr-x 59 robertra staff 1962 Feb 21 07:13 mac >>>> drwxr-xr-x 4 robertra staff 264 Feb 21 07:13 macosx >>>> drwxr-xr-x 137 robertra staff 4614 Feb 21 07:13 tests >>>> drwxr-xr-x 30 robertra staff 976 Feb 21 07:13 tools >>>> drwxr-xr-x 41 robertra staff 1350 Feb 21 07:13 unix >>>> drwxr-xr-x 48 robertra staff 1588 Feb 21 07:13 win >>> >>> >>> >>> When I attempt to open the Tcl.pbproj from within the macosx dir I >>> get an error >>> about not being able to open the file. >>> >>> >>> I'd appreciate any suggestions. >>> >>> >>> rob >>> moc...@ro... >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tcl-mac mailing list >>> Tc...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tcl-mac >>> >> -- >> Jim Ingham ji...@ap... >> Developer Tools - gdb >> Apple Computer >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tcl-mac mailing list >> Tc...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tcl-mac >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tcl-mac mailing list > Tc...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tcl-mac > -- ++=++=++=++=++=++=++=++=++=++=++=++=++=++=++=++=++=++=++= Jim Ingham ji...@ap... Developer Tools - gdb |
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From: Robert R. <moc...@ro...> - 2002-02-24 01:44:25
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Thanks for the info but I appear to be still stuck. I'm new to cvs and that maybe the problem. I have been using the following to check out the project robertra% cvs -z8 -d:pserver:ano...@cv...:/cvsroot/tcl co tcl and appear to getting source files for everything but macosx. [cpe00306547fc90:~/tmp_source/tcl/macosx] robertra% pwd /Users/robertra/tmp_source/tcl/macosx [cpe00306547fc90:~/tmp_source/tcl/macosx] robertra% find ./ -print ./ .//CVS .//CVS/Entries .//CVS/Repository .//CVS/Root .//Tcl.pbproj .//Tcl.pbproj/CVS .//Tcl.pbproj/CVS/Entries .//Tcl.pbproj/CVS/Repository .//Tcl.pbproj/CVS/Root [cpe00306547fc90:~/tmp_source/tcl/macosx] robertra% rob Jim Ingham wrote: > Are you sure that you checked out the macosx-8-4-branch? When you add > directories to a branch, they infiltrate the head as well, but the > files don't show up till they are committed to the head. I am still > working on a branch, so you need to add > > -rmacosx-8-4-branch > > to your checkout line. > > Jim > > On Friday, February 22, 2002, at 02:53 AM, Robert Ramsay wrote: > >> Hi >> >> Curious to know what I am missing about the following. >> >> I am attempting to build a version of the latest release of mac osx tcl. >> >> I've downloaded the tcl project from sourceforge via cvs anonymous. >> >>> drwxr-xr-x 21 robertra staff 670 Feb 21 07:13 . >>> drwxr-xr-x 3 robertra staff 58 Feb 21 07:10 .. >>> drwxr-xr-x 5 robertra staff 264 Feb 21 07:52 CVS >>> -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 180608 Feb 20 14:08 ChangeLog >>> -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 90675 Sep 13 15:10 ChangeLog.1999 >>> -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 94642 Jan 28 20:17 ChangeLog.2000 >>> -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 6935 Aug 8 2001 README >>> drwxr-xr-x 3 robertra staff 264 Feb 21 07:13 S4-0-2 >>> -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 243291 Feb 19 03:38 changes >>> drwxr-xr-x 27 robertra staff 874 Feb 21 07:13 compat >>> drwxr-xr-x 4 robertra staff 264 Feb 21 07:13 djgpp >>> drwxr-xr-x 195 robertra staff 6586 Feb 21 07:13 doc >>> drwxr-xr-x 98 robertra staff 3288 Feb 21 07:13 generic >>> drwxr-xr-x 31 robertra staff 1010 Feb 21 07:13 library >>> -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 2233 Jun 29 1998 license.terms >>> drwxr-xr-x 59 robertra staff 1962 Feb 21 07:13 mac >>> drwxr-xr-x 4 robertra staff 264 Feb 21 07:13 macosx >>> drwxr-xr-x 137 robertra staff 4614 Feb 21 07:13 tests >>> drwxr-xr-x 30 robertra staff 976 Feb 21 07:13 tools >>> drwxr-xr-x 41 robertra staff 1350 Feb 21 07:13 unix >>> drwxr-xr-x 48 robertra staff 1588 Feb 21 07:13 win >> >> >> >> When I attempt to open the Tcl.pbproj from within the macosx dir I >> get an error >> about not being able to open the file. >> >> >> I'd appreciate any suggestions. >> >> >> rob >> moc...@ro... >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tcl-mac mailing list >> Tc...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tcl-mac >> > -- > Jim Ingham ji...@ap... > Developer Tools - gdb > Apple Computer > > > _______________________________________________ > Tcl-mac mailing list > Tc...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tcl-mac > |
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From: Jim I. <ji...@ap...> - 2002-02-23 01:50:10
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Hi, all... Just a note to save time in case anybody else runs into this. The little haxie WindowShade by unsanity seems to do something evil that runs afoul of Aqua Tk. If you have this installed, it will cause Wish to crash on startup when it goes to fetch its first event. I wrote the unsanity folks to see if they can tell me what they are doing when we crash, so I can work around it for them. Until then, if you want to run Aqua Tk, you will need to turn off WindowShade. You don't need to uninstall it, just turning it off in the preferences panel seems to do the trick... Jim -- Jim Ingham ji...@ap... Developer Tools - gdb Apple Computer |
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From: Jim I. <ji...@ap...> - 2002-02-23 01:05:21
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I don't know if it is a list problem, I got 5 messages from George, including the one I answered, and the ones he refers to. But maybe it is not getting out to everyone? Other than that, I don't really know what to say. From my side, I don't really use 9 anymore. I try to get to X questions pretty quickly, however. The menu example works fine in X, but I didn't really think you wanted to hear that... The MacOS 9 Tk community is not all that large, and when folks are busy, you may not get a response for a while. I know the Alpha folks are trying to get their 8.0 release out, and get it ported to X, so they are plenty busy... Presumably nobody else had seen these bugs (particularly the pack forget one), and nobody had time to tackle your code to figure out what bug it was tripping. Jim On Friday, February 22, 2002, at 11:08 AM, Brent Welch wrote: > Hmm - for some reason this is the first mac-tcl email I've gotten in > a long time. Perhaps the list has gone stale. I suggest you take > your questions to the comp.lang.tcl newsgroup, readable via the > groups.goole.com website. > >>>> Ge...@or... said: >> I'm really disappointed with this list. >> >> I guess I'll unsubscribe in a few days. >> >> I'm working on a [paid] app for a record store, >> and it's for the Mac (under MacOS 9.1.4). >> >> My expertise is Unix (Solaris). >> >> So I thought I might be able to get some help >> when I run into problems. But no, I'm not even >> getting a response, aside from one thing. And >> that one thing was answered best by a Usenet >> reply. >> >> ---- >> >> The first coding problem I ask for feedback on >> was a problem with "pack forget" not completely >> unpacking a hierarchy, leaving a mess on the >> screen. >> >> Brent Welch's book recommends that technique >> for fast instantiation. >> >> Not a single comment, reply, or email on that. >> >> So I worked around it by not using it. >> >> I used two top level windows instead. >> >> ---- >> >> The next problem I had I didn't post about. >> >> I couldn't get focus to _any_ field when the app >> was first started. After a while I realized that >> when the window first comes up, if I click on >> the background desktop then click on my app's >> window again, it had focus. Focus to the field >> I had waited on (successfully) for visibility >> then had issued a focus command for. >> >> So, the work-around was to issue a toplevel .zot >> immediately followed by a destroy .zot. It worked. >> >> ---- >> >> The third problem I posted about, and received >> zilch comment on. Here is the post again: >> >> # Subject: [MACTCL] Another problem on the Mac >> # Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:29:52 GMT >> # From: Ge...@Or... >> # To: tc...@li... >> # >> # Hi. The last post I made was regarding "pack forget" not >> # working properly. >> # >> # There was not a single reply, email or list. >> # >> # Is this because it is on MacOS 9.1? >> # >> # Clients are hard to come by, and the client is running 9.1, >> # and so am I. I don't plan on using MacOS X until a number >> # of releases in the future. >> # >> # So I'd really appreciate it if someone would look at this bug. >> # The previous bug I worked around by not using "pack forget", > and >> # using two top-level windows instead. >> # >> # ---- >> # >> # This time, still under a fresh install of ActiveState 8.3.4, >> # the menubutton is flaky. >> # >> # Out of ten times clicking on it, either holding the mouse > button >> # down, or releasing it, the pop-up menu appears then <POOF> > it's gone. >> # >> # I've isolated it down to a very few lines of code, enclosed. >> # >> # Please, someone tell me if this problem happens for you, >> # and what might be done about it. >> # >> # I source the file to execute it under wish. (The entry box > that >> # used variable ::lce to display the chosen menu entry is > chopped >> # out too, to no avail.) >> # >> # ---- >> # >> # wm geometry . 746x536+24+21 >> # >> # set ::Canvas2a [frame .f] >> # set ::COUNTRY_menu $::Canvas2a.mb >> # set ::COUNTRY_menu_mb $::COUNTRY_menu.mb >> # >> # menubutton $::COUNTRY_menu -text Country -menu > $::COUNTRY_menu_mb >> # set mb [menu $::COUNTRY_menu_mb -tearoff 0] >> # >> # foreach {country value} {U.S.A. USA UK UK Canada Canada Japan > Japan \ >> # Germany Germany E.E.C EEC Italy Italy Australia Australia \ >> # {New Zealand} {New Zealand} Mexico Mexico Brazil Brazil \ >> # {South America} {South America}} { >> # >> # $mb add radio -label $country ;# -variable ::lce -value > $value >> # } >> # >> # pack $::COUNTRY_menu -side left -fill x >> # pack $::Canvas2a -side top >> >> ---- >> >> I have hacked out a work-around, after about 6 hours >> of screwing around. >> >> This involved looking up the bindings for Menu and Menubutton, >> retrieving and loading into my app the procs involved, hacking. >> >> This was the solution: >> >> proc tkMbEnter {w} { >> >> global tkPriv >> >> if {[string compare $tkPriv(inMenubutton) ""]} { >> tkMbLeave $tkPriv(inMenubutton) >> } >> # Commenting out the following line was the solution: >> # set tkPriv(inMenubutton) $w >> if {[string compare [$w cget -state] "disabled"]} { >> $w configure -state active >> } >> } >> >> Although the menu doesn't pop-up anymore when just clicking on it, >> by clicking (without releasing) and moving the mouse down slightly, >> the menu now appears consistently *without vanishing* before a >> selection can be made. >> >> ---- >> >> I can only imagine that many many more people who experience >> these sort of problems on the Mac simply terminate their >> use of Tcl/Tk without reporting the bugs, and this is a very >> bad thing for Tcl/Tk and its claim of working cross-platform. >> >> It's not like the 'menu' widget is an obscure use of Tcl/Tk. > > -- > Brent Welch > Software Architect, Panasas Inc > Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network > www.panasas.com > we...@pa... > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tcl-mac mailing list > Tc...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tcl-mac > -- Jim Ingham ji...@ap... Developer Tools - gdb Apple Computer |
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From: Jim I. <ji...@ap...> - 2002-02-22 19:14:43
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Are you sure that you checked out the macosx-8-4-branch? When you add directories to a branch, they infiltrate the head as well, but the files don't show up till they are committed to the head. I am still working on a branch, so you need to add -rmacosx-8-4-branch to your checkout line. Jim On Friday, February 22, 2002, at 02:53 AM, Robert Ramsay wrote: > Hi > > Curious to know what I am missing about the following. > > I am attempting to build a version of the latest release of mac osx tcl. > > I've downloaded the tcl project from sourceforge via cvs anonymous. > >> drwxr-xr-x 21 robertra staff 670 Feb 21 07:13 . >> drwxr-xr-x 3 robertra staff 58 Feb 21 07:10 .. >> drwxr-xr-x 5 robertra staff 264 Feb 21 07:52 CVS >> -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 180608 Feb 20 14:08 ChangeLog >> -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 90675 Sep 13 15:10 ChangeLog.1999 >> -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 94642 Jan 28 20:17 ChangeLog.2000 >> -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 6935 Aug 8 2001 README >> drwxr-xr-x 3 robertra staff 264 Feb 21 07:13 S4-0-2 >> -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 243291 Feb 19 03:38 changes >> drwxr-xr-x 27 robertra staff 874 Feb 21 07:13 compat >> drwxr-xr-x 4 robertra staff 264 Feb 21 07:13 djgpp >> drwxr-xr-x 195 robertra staff 6586 Feb 21 07:13 doc >> drwxr-xr-x 98 robertra staff 3288 Feb 21 07:13 generic >> drwxr-xr-x 31 robertra staff 1010 Feb 21 07:13 library >> -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 2233 Jun 29 1998 license.terms >> drwxr-xr-x 59 robertra staff 1962 Feb 21 07:13 mac >> drwxr-xr-x 4 robertra staff 264 Feb 21 07:13 macosx >> drwxr-xr-x 137 robertra staff 4614 Feb 21 07:13 tests >> drwxr-xr-x 30 robertra staff 976 Feb 21 07:13 tools >> drwxr-xr-x 41 robertra staff 1350 Feb 21 07:13 unix >> drwxr-xr-x 48 robertra staff 1588 Feb 21 07:13 win > > > When I attempt to open the Tcl.pbproj from within the macosx dir I get > an error > about not being able to open the file. > > > I'd appreciate any suggestions. > > > rob > moc...@ro... > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tcl-mac mailing list > Tc...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tcl-mac > -- Jim Ingham ji...@ap... Developer Tools - gdb Apple Computer |
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From: Brent W. <we...@pa...> - 2002-02-22 19:08:10
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Hmm - for some reason this is the first mac-tcl email I've gotten in a long time. Perhaps the list has gone stale. I suggest you take your questions to the comp.lang.tcl newsgroup, readable via the groups.goole.com website. >>>Ge...@or... said: > I'm really disappointed with this list. > > I guess I'll unsubscribe in a few days. > > I'm working on a [paid] app for a record store, > and it's for the Mac (under MacOS 9.1.4). > > My expertise is Unix (Solaris). > > So I thought I might be able to get some help > when I run into problems. But no, I'm not even > getting a response, aside from one thing. And > that one thing was answered best by a Usenet > reply. > > ---- > > The first coding problem I ask for feedback on > was a problem with "pack forget" not completely > unpacking a hierarchy, leaving a mess on the > screen. > > Brent Welch's book recommends that technique > for fast instantiation. > > Not a single comment, reply, or email on that. > > So I worked around it by not using it. > > I used two top level windows instead. > > ---- > > The next problem I had I didn't post about. > > I couldn't get focus to _any_ field when the app > was first started. After a while I realized that > when the window first comes up, if I click on > the background desktop then click on my app's > window again, it had focus. Focus to the field > I had waited on (successfully) for visibility > then had issued a focus command for. > > So, the work-around was to issue a toplevel .zot > immediately followed by a destroy .zot. It worked. > > ---- > > The third problem I posted about, and received > zilch comment on. Here is the post again: > > # Subject: [MACTCL] Another problem on the Mac > # Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:29:52 GMT > # From: Ge...@Or... > # To: tc...@li... > # > # Hi. The last post I made was regarding "pack forget" not > # working properly. > # > # There was not a single reply, email or list. > # > # Is this because it is on MacOS 9.1? > # > # Clients are hard to come by, and the client is running 9.1, > # and so am I. I don't plan on using MacOS X until a number > # of releases in the future. > # > # So I'd really appreciate it if someone would look at this bug. > # The previous bug I worked around by not using "pack forget", and > # using two top-level windows instead. > # > # ---- > # > # This time, still under a fresh install of ActiveState 8.3.4, > # the menubutton is flaky. > # > # Out of ten times clicking on it, either holding the mouse button > # down, or releasing it, the pop-up menu appears then <POOF> it's gone. > # > # I've isolated it down to a very few lines of code, enclosed. > # > # Please, someone tell me if this problem happens for you, > # and what might be done about it. > # > # I source the file to execute it under wish. (The entry box that > # used variable ::lce to display the chosen menu entry is chopped > # out too, to no avail.) > # > # ---- > # > # wm geometry . 746x536+24+21 > # > # set ::Canvas2a [frame .f] > # set ::COUNTRY_menu $::Canvas2a.mb > # set ::COUNTRY_menu_mb $::COUNTRY_menu.mb > # > # menubutton $::COUNTRY_menu -text Country -menu $::COUNTRY_menu_mb > # set mb [menu $::COUNTRY_menu_mb -tearoff 0] > # > # foreach {country value} {U.S.A. USA UK UK Canada Canada Japan Japan \ > # Germany Germany E.E.C EEC Italy Italy Australia Australia \ > # {New Zealand} {New Zealand} Mexico Mexico Brazil Brazil \ > # {South America} {South America}} { > # > # $mb add radio -label $country ;# -variable ::lce -value $value > # } > # > # pack $::COUNTRY_menu -side left -fill x > # pack $::Canvas2a -side top > > ---- > > I have hacked out a work-around, after about 6 hours > of screwing around. > > This involved looking up the bindings for Menu and Menubutton, > retrieving and loading into my app the procs involved, hacking. > > This was the solution: > > proc tkMbEnter {w} { > > global tkPriv > > if {[string compare $tkPriv(inMenubutton) ""]} { > tkMbLeave $tkPriv(inMenubutton) > } > # Commenting out the following line was the solution: > # set tkPriv(inMenubutton) $w > if {[string compare [$w cget -state] "disabled"]} { > $w configure -state active > } > } > > Although the menu doesn't pop-up anymore when just clicking on it, > by clicking (without releasing) and moving the mouse down slightly, > the menu now appears consistently *without vanishing* before a > selection can be made. > > ---- > > I can only imagine that many many more people who experience > these sort of problems on the Mac simply terminate their > use of Tcl/Tk without reporting the bugs, and this is a very > bad thing for Tcl/Tk and its claim of working cross-platform. > > It's not like the 'menu' widget is an obscure use of Tcl/Tk. -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network www.panasas.com we...@pa... |
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From: <Ge...@Or...> - 2002-02-22 17:25:06
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I'm really disappointed with this list.
I guess I'll unsubscribe in a few days.
I'm working on a [paid] app for a record store,
and it's for the Mac (under MacOS 9.1.4).
My expertise is Unix (Solaris).
So I thought I might be able to get some help
when I run into problems. But no, I'm not even
getting a response, aside from one thing. And
that one thing was answered best by a Usenet
reply.
----
The first coding problem I ask for feedback on
was a problem with "pack forget" not completely
unpacking a hierarchy, leaving a mess on the
screen.
Brent Welch's book recommends that technique
for fast instantiation.
Not a single comment, reply, or email on that.
So I worked around it by not using it.
I used two top level windows instead.
----
The next problem I had I didn't post about.
I couldn't get focus to _any_ field when the app
was first started. After a while I realized that
when the window first comes up, if I click on
the background desktop then click on my app's
window again, it had focus. Focus to the field
I had waited on (successfully) for visibility
then had issued a focus command for.
So, the work-around was to issue a toplevel .zot
immediately followed by a destroy .zot. It worked.
----
The third problem I posted about, and received
zilch comment on. Here is the post again:
# Subject: [MACTCL] Another problem on the Mac
# Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:29:52 GMT
# From: Ge...@Or...
# To: tc...@li...
#
# Hi. The last post I made was regarding "pack forget" not
# working properly.
#
# There was not a single reply, email or list.
#
# Is this because it is on MacOS 9.1?
#
# Clients are hard to come by, and the client is running 9.1,
# and so am I. I don't plan on using MacOS X until a number
# of releases in the future.
#
# So I'd really appreciate it if someone would look at this bug.
# The previous bug I worked around by not using "pack forget", and
# using two top-level windows instead.
#
# ----
#
# This time, still under a fresh install of ActiveState 8.3.4,
# the menubutton is flaky.
#
# Out of ten times clicking on it, either holding the mouse button
# down, or releasing it, the pop-up menu appears then <POOF> it's gone.
#
# I've isolated it down to a very few lines of code, enclosed.
#
# Please, someone tell me if this problem happens for you,
# and what might be done about it.
#
# I source the file to execute it under wish. (The entry box that
# used variable ::lce to display the chosen menu entry is chopped
# out too, to no avail.)
#
# ----
#
# wm geometry . 746x536+24+21
#
# set ::Canvas2a [frame .f]
# set ::COUNTRY_menu $::Canvas2a.mb
# set ::COUNTRY_menu_mb $::COUNTRY_menu.mb
#
# menubutton $::COUNTRY_menu -text Country -menu $::COUNTRY_menu_mb
# set mb [menu $::COUNTRY_menu_mb -tearoff 0]
#
# foreach {country value} {U.S.A. USA UK UK Canada Canada Japan Japan \
# Germany Germany E.E.C EEC Italy Italy Australia Australia \
# {New Zealand} {New Zealand} Mexico Mexico Brazil Brazil \
# {South America} {South America}} {
#
# $mb add radio -label $country ;# -variable ::lce -value $value
# }
#
# pack $::COUNTRY_menu -side left -fill x
# pack $::Canvas2a -side top
----
I have hacked out a work-around, after about 6 hours
of screwing around.
This involved looking up the bindings for Menu and Menubutton,
retrieving and loading into my app the procs involved, hacking.
This was the solution:
proc tkMbEnter {w} {
global tkPriv
if {[string compare $tkPriv(inMenubutton) ""]} {
tkMbLeave $tkPriv(inMenubutton)
}
# Commenting out the following line was the solution:
# set tkPriv(inMenubutton) $w
if {[string compare [$w cget -state] "disabled"]} {
$w configure -state active
}
}
Although the menu doesn't pop-up anymore when just clicking on it,
by clicking (without releasing) and moving the mouse down slightly,
the menu now appears consistently *without vanishing* before a
selection can be made.
----
I can only imagine that many many more people who experience
these sort of problems on the Mac simply terminate their
use of Tcl/Tk without reporting the bugs, and this is a very
bad thing for Tcl/Tk and its claim of working cross-platform.
It's not like the 'menu' widget is an obscure use of Tcl/Tk.
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From: Robert R. <moc...@ro...> - 2002-02-22 16:00:36
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Hi Curious to know what I am missing about the following. I am attempting to build a version of the latest release of mac osx tcl. I've downloaded the tcl project from sourceforge via cvs anonymous. > drwxr-xr-x 21 robertra staff 670 Feb 21 07:13 . > drwxr-xr-x 3 robertra staff 58 Feb 21 07:10 .. > drwxr-xr-x 5 robertra staff 264 Feb 21 07:52 CVS > -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 180608 Feb 20 14:08 ChangeLog > -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 90675 Sep 13 15:10 ChangeLog.1999 > -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 94642 Jan 28 20:17 ChangeLog.2000 > -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 6935 Aug 8 2001 README > drwxr-xr-x 3 robertra staff 264 Feb 21 07:13 S4-0-2 > -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 243291 Feb 19 03:38 changes > drwxr-xr-x 27 robertra staff 874 Feb 21 07:13 compat > drwxr-xr-x 4 robertra staff 264 Feb 21 07:13 djgpp > drwxr-xr-x 195 robertra staff 6586 Feb 21 07:13 doc > drwxr-xr-x 98 robertra staff 3288 Feb 21 07:13 generic > drwxr-xr-x 31 robertra staff 1010 Feb 21 07:13 library > -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 2233 Jun 29 1998 license.terms > drwxr-xr-x 59 robertra staff 1962 Feb 21 07:13 mac > drwxr-xr-x 4 robertra staff 264 Feb 21 07:13 macosx > drwxr-xr-x 137 robertra staff 4614 Feb 21 07:13 tests > drwxr-xr-x 30 robertra staff 976 Feb 21 07:13 tools > drwxr-xr-x 41 robertra staff 1350 Feb 21 07:13 unix > drwxr-xr-x 48 robertra staff 1588 Feb 21 07:13 win When I attempt to open the Tcl.pbproj from within the macosx dir I get an error about not being able to open the file. I'd appreciate any suggestions. rob moc...@ro... |
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From: Larry W. V. <lv...@ca...> - 2002-02-22 11:59:13
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Call For Papers
9th Annual Tcl/Tk Conference
September 16-20, 2002
Vancouver, BC, Canada
We are pleased to announce the 9th Annual Tcl/Tk conference, to be
held September 16-20, 2002, in Vancouver, BC, Canada.
This conference is a forum to:
* bring together Tcl/Tk researchers and practitioners
* publish and present current work involving Tcl/Tk
* learn about the latest developments in Tcl/Tk
* plan for future Tcl/Tk related developments
The conference program will include paper presentations, tutorials,
Birds of a Feather (BOF) sessions and invited key-note talks. This
call invites you to submit extended abstracts to be considered for
the conference program. The conference schedule will consist of 2
days of tutorials (Monday - Tuesday) and 3 days for the main
conference (Wednesday - Friday).
Submission of Extended Abstracts
The conference provides an opportunity to report on original Tcl/Tk
research. The audience is practitioners and researchers who are
intermediate or experienced users of Tcl/Tk. For this reason,
reports on experiences and applications must draw out lessons for
other Tcl/Tk developers. Topics include, but are not limited to:
* System extensions
* Novel Tcl/Tk-based applications
* Experience reports on building applications in Tcl/Tk
* Comparative evaluations of Tcl/Tk and other languages or
toolkits for building applications
* Use of different programming paradigms in Tcl/Tk and
proposals for new directions.
* New areas of exploration for the Tcl/Tk language
Extended Abstracts should be written in English and 600 to 1000 words
long (1-2 pages). Omit extraneous or redundant information. Length
is not a direct factor in judging the quality of the submission.
Send submissions as plain text to <tcl2002@-SPAM-.tcl.tk> no later
than April 28, 2002. Authors of accepted abstracts will have until
August 20, 2002 to submit their final paper for the inclusion in the
conference proceedings. The proceedings will be made available on
CD-ROM, so extra materials like code samples are welcome.
The authors will have 20-25 minutes to present the paper at the
conference.
The program committee will review and evaluate papers according to
the following criteria:
* Quantity and quality of novel content
* Relevance and interest to the Tcl/Tk community
* Suitability of content for presentation at the conference
Proposals may report on commercial or non-commercial systems, but
those with only blatant marketing content will not be accepted.
Application and experience papers need to strike a balance between
background on the application domain and the relevance of Tcl/Tk to
the application. Application and experience papers should clearly
explain how the application or experience illustrates a novel use of
Tcl/Tk, and what lessons the Tcl/Tk community can derive from the
application or experience to apply to their own development efforts.
Papers accompanied by non-disclosure agreement forms will be returned
to the author(s) unread. All submissions are held in the highest
confidentiality prior to publication in the Proceedings, both as a
matter of policy and in accord with the U. S. Copyright Act of 1976.
Other Forms of Participation
The program committee also welcomes proposals for panel discussions
of up to 90 minutes. Proposals should include a list of confirmed
panelists, a title and format, and a panel description with position
statements from each panelist. Panels should have no more than four
speakers, including the panel moderator, and should allow time for
substantial interaction with attendees. Panels are not presentations
of related research papers.
Slots for Works-in-Progress (WIP) presentations and
Birds-of-a-Feather sessions (BOFs) are available on a first-come,
first-served basis starting in August 2002. Specific instructions
for reserving WIP and BOF time slots will be provided in the
registration information available in June 2002. Some WIP and BOF
time slots will be held open for on-site reservation, so we encourage
all attendees with interesting work in progress to consider
presenting that work at the conference.
Registration Information
More information on the conference will be available in Spring 2002
at the conference web site (http://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2002/)
and published on various Tcl/Tk-related information channels.
To keep in touch with conference announcements and Tcl events in
general, subscribe to the tcl-announce list at:
http://listserv.activestate.com/mailman/mysubs?show=announce
by entering your email and selecting Tcl-announce.
Conference Committee
Jeff Hobbs ActiveState Corp General Chair
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Kevin Kenny GE Global Research Center Program Co-chair
Andreas Kupries ActiveState Corp
Andrej Vckovski NetCetera
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Ken Jones Avia Training
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Contact Information
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http://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2002/
--
Never apply a Star Trek solution to a Babylon 5 problem.
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Even if explicitly stated to the contrary, nothing in this posting should
be construed as representing my employer's opinions.
-><-
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From: Robert R. <moc...@ro...> - 2002-02-22 11:38:32
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Hi Curious to know what I am missing about the following. I am attempting to build a version of the latest release of mac osx tcl. I've downloaded the tcl project from sourceforge via cvs anonymous. > drwxr-xr-x 21 robertra staff 670 Feb 21 07:13 . > drwxr-xr-x 3 robertra staff 58 Feb 21 07:10 .. > drwxr-xr-x 5 robertra staff 264 Feb 21 07:52 CVS > -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 180608 Feb 20 14:08 ChangeLog > -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 90675 Sep 13 15:10 ChangeLog.1999 > -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 94642 Jan 28 20:17 ChangeLog.2000 > -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 6935 Aug 8 2001 README > drwxr-xr-x 3 robertra staff 264 Feb 21 07:13 S4-0-2 > -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 243291 Feb 19 03:38 changes > drwxr-xr-x 27 robertra staff 874 Feb 21 07:13 compat > drwxr-xr-x 4 robertra staff 264 Feb 21 07:13 djgpp > drwxr-xr-x 195 robertra staff 6586 Feb 21 07:13 doc > drwxr-xr-x 98 robertra staff 3288 Feb 21 07:13 generic > drwxr-xr-x 31 robertra staff 1010 Feb 21 07:13 library > -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 2233 Jun 29 1998 license.terms > drwxr-xr-x 59 robertra staff 1962 Feb 21 07:13 mac > drwxr-xr-x 4 robertra staff 264 Feb 21 07:13 macosx > drwxr-xr-x 137 robertra staff 4614 Feb 21 07:13 tests > drwxr-xr-x 30 robertra staff 976 Feb 21 07:13 tools > drwxr-xr-x 41 robertra staff 1350 Feb 21 07:13 unix > drwxr-xr-x 48 robertra staff 1588 Feb 21 07:13 win When I attempt to open the Tcl.pbproj from within the macosx dir I get an error about not being able to open the file. I'd appreciate any suggestions. rob moc...@ro... |
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From: Robert R. <moc...@ro...> - 2002-02-22 11:34:35
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Hi Curious to know what I am missing about the following. I am attempting to build a version of the latest release of mac osx tcl. I've downloaded the tcl project from sourceforge via cvs anonymous. > drwxr-xr-x 21 robertra staff 670 Feb 21 07:13 . > drwxr-xr-x 3 robertra staff 58 Feb 21 07:10 .. > drwxr-xr-x 5 robertra staff 264 Feb 21 07:52 CVS > -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 180608 Feb 20 14:08 ChangeLog > -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 90675 Sep 13 15:10 ChangeLog.1999 > -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 94642 Jan 28 20:17 ChangeLog.2000 > -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 6935 Aug 8 2001 README > drwxr-xr-x 3 robertra staff 264 Feb 21 07:13 S4-0-2 > -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 243291 Feb 19 03:38 changes > drwxr-xr-x 27 robertra staff 874 Feb 21 07:13 compat > drwxr-xr-x 4 robertra staff 264 Feb 21 07:13 djgpp > drwxr-xr-x 195 robertra staff 6586 Feb 21 07:13 doc > drwxr-xr-x 98 robertra staff 3288 Feb 21 07:13 generic > drwxr-xr-x 31 robertra staff 1010 Feb 21 07:13 library > -rw-r--r-- 1 robertra staff 2233 Jun 29 1998 license.terms > drwxr-xr-x 59 robertra staff 1962 Feb 21 07:13 mac > drwxr-xr-x 4 robertra staff 264 Feb 21 07:13 macosx > drwxr-xr-x 137 robertra staff 4614 Feb 21 07:13 tests > drwxr-xr-x 30 robertra staff 976 Feb 21 07:13 tools > drwxr-xr-x 41 robertra staff 1350 Feb 21 07:13 unix > drwxr-xr-x 48 robertra staff 1588 Feb 21 07:13 win When I attempt to open the Tcl.pbproj from within the macosx dir I get an error about not being able to open the file. I'd appreciate any suggestions. rob moc...@ro... |
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From: MarineDigital Inc<new...@ma...> - 2002-02-20 23:03:28
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padding-bottom: 0"></td> </tr> <tr> <td height="7" style="padding-top: 0; padding-bottom: 0" bgcolor="#FBE6B6"> <p align="center"><a href="http://www.marinedigital.com/en/mall/equipment/index.asp?menu_code=EquipmentSaleView&gubun=S1&GoodsNo=S10512002"><img src="http://www.marinedigital.com/en/news/img/CX300R.gif" border="0" width="122" height="67"></a></td> </tr> <tr> <td bgcolor="#990000" height="1" style="padding-top: 0; padding-bottom: 0"></td> </tr> <tr> <td height="7" style="padding-top: 0; padding-bottom: 0"> <p align="center"><a href="http://www.marinedigital.com/en/mall/equipment/index.asp?menu_code=EquipmentSaleView&gubun=S1&GoodsNo=S10512002"><b>Hydro Crane</b></a></td> </tr> <tr> <td bgcolor="#990000" height="1" style="padding-top: 0; padding-bottom: 0"></td> </tr> </table> </td> <td width="420" valign="top" align="right" bgcolor="#ffffff" height="1"> <table width="410" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" bgcolor="#999999" height="447"> <tr> <td height="1" bgcolor="#DA4040" colspan="2" width="408"></td> </tr> <tr><td class="text" align="center" bgcolor="#FED203" colspan="2" width="408" style="padding-top: 2; padding-bottom: 2" height="21"><B><font color="#294EFA">:: MARITIME NEWS ::</font></b> </td> </tr> <tr><td height="1" bgcolor="#DA4040" colspan="2" width="408"></td></tr> <tr> <td class="text" bgcolor="#ffffff" width="15" valign="top" style="padding-top: 2; padding-bottom: 2" height="36"> 1. </td> <td class="text" bgcolor="#ffffff" width="391" style="padding-top: 2; padding-bottom: 2" height="36"> Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering Co.,Ltd is approching to contract two(1+1) 22,000 cbm LPG Carriers at worth USD 32mill/ship. </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="text" bgcolor="#ffffff" width="15" valign="top" style="padding-top: 2; padding-bottom: 2" height="36"> 2. </td> <td class="text" bgcolor="#ffffff" width="391" style="padding-top: 2; padding-bottom: 2" height="36"> Samho Shipyard (Korea) contracted three(1+2) 3,000dwt product tankers with Sembcorp Logistics at worth USD 7.5mill. </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="text" bgcolor="#ffffff" width="15" valign="top" style="padding-top: 2; padding-bottom: 2" height="30"> 3. </td> <td class="text" bgcolor="#ffffff" width="391" style="padding-top: 2; padding-bottom: 2" height="30"> NORDEN (Denmark) ordered two 55,000dwt bulk carriers from Mitsui Shipyard (Japan). </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="text" bgcolor="#ffffff" width="15" valign="top" style="padding-top: 2; padding-bottom: 2" height="30"> 4. </td> <td class="text" bgcolor="#ffffff" width="391" style="padding-top: 2; padding-bottom: 2" height="30"> Miura Shipyard (Japan) contracted three product tankers(two 4,999dwt & one 1,900dwt) with Japanese shipowner. </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="text" bgcolor="#ffffff" width="15" valign="top" style="padding-top: 2; padding-bottom: 2" height="30"> 5. </td> <td class="text" bgcolor="#ffffff" width="391" style="padding-top: 2; padding-bottom: 2" height="30"> TEPCO (Japan) ordered a 135,000 cbm LNG carrier from Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (Japan). </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="text" bgcolor="#ffffff" width="15" valign="top" style="padding-top: 2; padding-bottom: 2" height="21"> 6. </td> <td class="text" bgcolor="#ffffff" width="391" style="padding-top: 2; padding-bottom: 2" height="21"> SWS Shipyard (China) contracted a 150,000dwt FPSO. </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="text" bgcolor="#ffffff" width="15" valign="top" style="padding-top: 2; padding-bottom: 2" height="30"> 7. </td> <td class="text" bgcolor="#ffffff" width="391" style="padding-top: 2; padding-bottom: 2" height="30"> Hyundai Heavy Industries (Korea) two 172,000dwt Cape size Bulk carriers with Golden Union, at worth USD 36mill. </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="text" bgcolor="#ffffff" width="15" valign="top" style="padding-top: 2; padding-bottom: 2" height="30"> 8. </td> <td class="text" bgcolor="#ffffff" width="391" style="padding-top: 2; padding-bottom: 2" height="30"> Pertamina Shipping (India) plans to contract for newbuilding of 11 product tankers. </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="text" bgcolor="#ffffff" width="15" valign="top" style="padding-top: 2; padding-bottom: 2" height="30"> 9. </td> <td class="text" bgcolor="#ffffff" width="391" style="padding-top: 2; padding-bottom: 2" height="30"> Sanoyas Shipyard (Japan) contracted two 113,000dwt Aframax tankers with Seaarland shipping (Austria). </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="text" bgcolor="#ffffff" width="15" valign="top" style="padding-top: 2; padding-bottom: 2" height="30"> <font color="#505050">10.</font> </td> <td class="text" bgcolor="#ffffff" width="391" style="padding-top: 2; padding-bottom: 2" height="30"> French energy company Gaz de France's newly contracted 74,000-cbm LNG carrier at Chantiers de l'Atlantique comes with a price tag of US$130.9mill. </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="text" bgcolor="#ffffff" width="15" valign="top" style="padding-top: 2; padding-bottom: 2" height="9"> 11. </td> <td class="text" bgcolor="#ffffff" width="391" style="padding-top: 2; padding-bottom: 2" height="9"> Fincantieri shipyard contracted a Fast Ferry with Tirrenia Group. </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="text" bgcolor="#ffffff" width="15" valign="top" style="padding-top: 2; padding-bottom: 2" height="9"> 12. </td> <td class="text" bgcolor="#ffffff" width="391" style="padding-top: 2; padding-bottom: 2" height="9"> <font color="#505050"><b>Cummins and Mercury Marine to Form Joint Venture</b></font><br> Cummins Marine, a division of Cummins Inc., and Mercury Marine, a division of Brunswick Corporation, announced the formation of a 50/50 joint venture to supply integrated diesel propulsion systems to the worldwide recreational and commercial marine markets. The joint venture, Cummins MerCruiser Diesel Marine LLC, will be headquartered in Charleston, S.C. Under the terms of the agreement, Cummins will supply diesel engines 15 liters and below, including certain electronic displays and other hardware. Mercury Marine will supply the Mercury 1.7 liter, 2.8 liter, 4.2 liter and 7.3 liter diesel engines, drive units for sterndrive applications and their SmartCraft(R) electronic integration hardware. </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="text" bgcolor="#ffffff" width="15" valign="top" style="padding-top: 2; padding-bottom: 2" height="9"> 13. </td> <td class="text" bgcolor="#ffffff" width="391" style="padding-top: 2; padding-bottom: 2" height="9"> <b><font color="#505050">Japan back to No. 1 in shipbuilding</font></b><br> Japan regained the title of the world's No. 1 shipbuilder in 2001, beating out rival South Korea for the first time in three years, according to industry data.<br> According to data from the Shipbuilders' Association of Japan and other organizations, domestic shipbuilders in 2001 received orders equivalent to 7.97 million tons on the basis of compensated gross registered tonnage -- a measurement for shipbuilding work.<br> The amount is 1.56 million tons more than the year before.<br> Orders for South Korean shipbuilders in 2001 totaled 6.41 million tons, down 3.99 million tons from the year before.<br> The two are the world's major shipbuilding countries and receive about 75 percent of global orders. Japan had enjoyed the No. 1 position until 1999, when South Korea overtook it with lower prices. </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="text" bgcolor="#ffffff" width="15" valign="top" style="padding-top: 2; padding-bottom: 2" height="9"> 14. </td> <td class="text" bgcolor="#ffffff" width="391" style="padding-top: 2; padding-bottom: 2" height="9"> <font color="#505050"><b>Shipbuilders Eye More Value-added Vessels</b></font><br> Most Korean shipbuilding firms ushered in 2002 with new strategies to win more shipbuilding orders for cutting-edge vessels, such as liquefied natural gas (LNG) carriers and offshore plants.<br> Korean shipbuilding firms began concentrating investments into the technical know-how for the construction of sophisticated vessels about three to four years ago, as shipbuilding cost for such value-added ships ran about two to three times higher than that of building conventional ones.<br> On the strength of their technical know-how, Korean ship-makers won shipbuilding contracts for a total of 23 LNG carriers last year, a sharp rise from only eight in the preceding year. Analysts said that the ships accounted for about 70 percent of the global orders and that another 100 LNG vessels will have to be built by 2010.<br> Korean firms also find that various offshore plants, such as a floating production storage and offloading (FPSO) system, used for offshore oil exploration, are more lucrative. They say that the global demand for such plants has been rising constantly and the construction period of such equipment is usually longer. Daewoo Shipbuilding has won contracts to build ten LNG carriers last year, and the firm said it will continue to exert all-out efforts to win new orders for such vessels this year. The firm also plans to expand its shipbuilding capacity of up to five LNG vessels to ten this year. </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="text" bgcolor="#ffffff" width="15" valign="top" style="padding-top: 2; padding-bottom: 2" height="9"> 15. </td> <td class="text" bgcolor="#ffffff" width="391" style="padding-top: 2; padding-bottom: 2" height="9"> <b><font color="#505050">Acquisition of Hippo Marine Ltd</font></b><br> Fender care marine solutions acquired "Hippo Marine". an established manufacturer of marine safety products, both for offshore and onshore use. </td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" bgcolor="#ffffff" valign="top" height="1"> <table width="590" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" bgcolor="#ffffff" height="1"> <tr><td colspan="2" bgcolor="#ffffff" align="center" height="1"></td></tr> <tr> <td colspan="3" align="center" bgcolor="#FEB05A" class="text" height="17"><font color="#666666"><b>::: Company and Product Advertisement ::: </b></font><img src="http://www.marinedigital.com/en/news/img/button.gif" width="12" height="11"><font color="#666666"><b> <font color="#808080"><a href="http://www.marinedigital.com/en/mall/product/index.asp?menu_code=ShipSaleView&GoodsNo=S51602036">Send your Ads</a></font></b></font></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="3" align="center" bgcolor="#000000" height="1"></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="590" valign="top" colspan="3" height="1"> <b> < <a href="http://www.marinedigital.com/en/products_sell/hdvalve/intro.asp"> Marine Valves !!</a> </b><b><img border="0" src="http://www.marinedigital.com/en/news/img/icon_new.gif" width="31" height="12"></b><b><a href="http://www.marinedigital.com/kr/mall/partner/index.asp">></a><font color="#0000ff"><br> </font></b><br> We, Marine Digital Co., LTD are one of the largest market leaders in Korea to supply Valves.<br> The valves are produced for marine application as well as industrial application in accordance with your purchase specification.<br> <a href="http://www.marinedigital.com/en/products_sell/hdvalve/feature.asp"> </a> <table border="0" width="100%" height="15"> <tr> <td width="29%" height="16"> <img src="http://www.marinedigital.com/en/news/img/button.gif" width="12" height="11"> <a href="http://www.marinedigital.com/en/products_sell/hdvalve/intro.asp"><u>Introduction</u></a></td> <td width="27%" height="16"></td> <td width="24%" height="16"></td> <td width="20%" height="16"></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="29%" height="1"></td> <td width="27%" height="1"></td> <td width="24%" height="1"></td> <td width="20%" height="1"></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="29%" bgcolor="#F5F9F4" height="16"> - 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style="padding-left: 10"><a href="http://www.marinedigital.com/en/mall/partner/index.asp?menu_code=PartnerWantingView&gubun=S3&GoodsNo=P30302002">agency in turkey</a></td> <td width="84" bgcolor="#DEEADC" class="text" align="center">Turkey</td> </tr> <tr> <td bgcolor="#ffffff" class="text" style="padding-left: 10" width="168"><a href="http://www.marinedigital.com/en/mall/partner/index.asp?menu_code=PartnerWantingView&gubun=S3&GoodsNo=P30002007">Pilot Chairs</a></td> <td bgcolor="#DEEADC" class="text" align="center" width="84">Europe</td> </tr> <tr> <td bgcolor="#ffffff" class="text" style="padding-left: 10" width="168"><a href="http://www.marinedigital.com/en/mall/partner/index.asp?menu_code=PartnerWantingView&gubun=S3&GoodsNo=P30302001">Shipping Services</a></td> <td bgcolor="#DEEADC" class="text" align="center" width="84">World</td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> <tr><td colspan="3" height="1"></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="3" align="center" bgcolor="#A6CAA0" class="text" height="17"> <img 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From: Jim I. <ji...@ap...> - 2002-02-19 05:13:11
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Dorothy, This is great! The way that you are supposed to make a "Tcl/Tk" based app on Mac OS X is to put make a copy of the Wish.app package, and call it whatever you want - maybe TkCVS.app. Then make a "Scripts" folder in TkCVS.app/Contents/Resources, and put a startup script in the Scripts folder with the name AppMain.tcl. This will get sourced when the app is double-clicked. Also, the Scripts folder is added to the auto_path, so if you put other tcl library files, or a tclIndex file there, your app will find the other bits it needs from. You can also replace the Wish.icns file with an icon file for your App, if you want it to have a different desktop/Dock icon. If you were being really complete about it you might also want to edit the info.plist, and set things like the version string to appropriate values. Jim > Whee! Tkcvs works (with minor cosmetic issues) with the latest MacOS X > version > of tcl/tk, once I hard-coded the path to the Wish Shell into it. Tkcvs goes > to > a lot of trouble to ask the system about font sizes and such so that it will > look native whether it wakes up and finds itself running under CDE, some funny > Windows theme, or whatever, and that seems to be paying off now (pats self on > back.) TkDiff isn't quite as lucky and has definite problems. > > What mechanism should be used to start TK applications? I tried telling > the .tcl suffix to invoke Wish Shell (you never know until you try), and it > dutifully started Wish but then Wish didn't run tkcvs. I'm sadly ignorant > about > Macintosh, being an old unix person, so the whole double-click thing is kind > of > a mystery to me. Should I be making one of those .app packages myself? How > would it know where to find wish? > > Thanks for getting Aqua TK running. I'm much happier about having an > additional > platform to support than I should be :-) > > Dorothy > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Dorothy Robinson > http://www.twobarleycorns.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Tcl-mac mailing list > Tc...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tcl-mac > -- ++=++=++=++=++=++=++=++=++=++=++=++=++=++=++=++=++=++=++= Jim Ingham ji...@ap... Developer Tools - gdb |
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From: Dorothy R. <mo...@ar...> - 2002-02-19 04:20:35
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Whee! Tkcvs works (with minor cosmetic issues) with the latest MacOS X version of tcl/tk, once I hard-coded the path to the Wish Shell into it. Tkcvs goes to a lot of trouble to ask the system about font sizes and such so that it will look native whether it wakes up and finds itself running under CDE, some funny Windows theme, or whatever, and that seems to be paying off now (pats self on back.) TkDiff isn't quite as lucky and has definite problems. What mechanism should be used to start TK applications? I tried telling the .tcl suffix to invoke Wish Shell (you never know until you try), and it dutifully started Wish but then Wish didn't run tkcvs. I'm sadly ignorant about Macintosh, being an old unix person, so the whole double-click thing is kind of a mystery to me. Should I be making one of those .app packages myself? How would it know where to find wish? Thanks for getting Aqua TK running. I'm much happier about having an additional platform to support than I should be :-) Dorothy -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Dorothy Robinson http://www.twobarleycorns.net |
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From: <Ge...@Or...> - 2002-02-17 16:29:55
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Hi. The last post I made was regarding "pack forget" not
working properly.
There was not a single reply, email or list.
Is this because it is on MacOS 9.1?
Clients are hard to come by, and the client is running 9.1,
and so am I. I don't plan on using MacOS X until a number
of releases in the future.
So I'd really appreciate it if someone would look at this bug.
The previous bug I worked around by not using "pack forget", and
using two top-level windows instead.
----
This time, still under a fresh install of ActiveState 8.3.4,
the menubutton is flaky.
Out of ten times clicking on it, either holding the mouse button
down, or releasing it, the pop-up menu appears then <POOF> it's gone.
I've isolated it down to a very few lines of code, enclosed.
Please, someone tell me if this problem happens for you,
and what might be done about it.
I source the file to execute it under wish. (The entry box that
used variable ::lce to display the chosen menu entry is chopped
out too, to no avail.)
----
wm geometry . 746x536+24+21
set ::Canvas2a [frame .f]
set ::COUNTRY_menu $::Canvas2a.mb
set ::COUNTRY_menu_mb $::COUNTRY_menu.mb
menubutton $::COUNTRY_menu -text Country -menu $::COUNTRY_menu_mb
set mb [menu $::COUNTRY_menu_mb -tearoff 0]
foreach {country value} {U.S.A. USA UK UK Canada Canada Japan Japan \
Germany Germany E.E.C EEC Italy Italy Australia Australia \
{New Zealand} {New Zealand} Mexico Mexico Brazil Brazil \
{South America} {South America}} {
$mb add radio -label $country ;# -variable ::lce -value $value
}
pack $::COUNTRY_menu -side left -fill x
pack $::Canvas2a -side top
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From: Jim I. <ji...@ap...> - 2002-02-15 18:42:33
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Daniel,
This looks great. I am not that upset about not supporting 10.0 for=20
Tcl. There are a bunch of Apps (including Office) that only support=20
10.1. And 10.1 is SO much better... People can always check out the=20
old version if they really must support 10.0 for some reason. So check=20=
it into the head. You can check stuff into the macosx-8-4-branch too,=20=
right? If so, feel free to check it in there, otherwise I will figure=20=
out why you can't.
Thanks for hacking on this.
Jim
On Friday, February 15, 2002, at 05:18 AM, Daniel A. Steffen wrote:
> At 21:39 +1100 on 15/2/02, Daniel A. Steffen wrote:
>
>> probably we should rewrite tclLoadDyld.c using the 10.1
>> TwoLevelNamespaces API anyway.
>
> I took a stab at this, c.f. below. (based on tclLoadDyld.c from the
> tip of core-8-3-1-branch)
>
> works well, doesn't fail on nonexistent files, searches
> DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH etc. Howver, it probably requires 10.1,
> <mach-o/dyld.h> is unclear on this (Jim?), so it might not be
> appropriate for core-8-3-1-branch ?
>
> If I don't hear any objections, I'll check a CONSTified version into
> the HEAD though.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Daniel
>
> -------------------------- paste into=20
> tclLoadDyld.c --------------------------
>
> #include "tclInt.h"
> #include "tclPort.h"
> #include <mach-o/dyld.h>
>
> /*
> =
*----------------------------------------------------------------------
> *
> * TclpLoadFile --
> *
> * Dynamically loads a binary code file into memory and returns
> * the addresses of two procedures within that file, if they
> * are defined.
> *
> * Results:
> * A standard Tcl completion code. If an error occurs, an error
> * message is left in the interpreter's result. *proc1Ptr and=20
> *proc2Ptr
> * are filled in with the addresses of the symbols given by
> * *sym1 and *sym2, or NULL if those symbols can't be found.
> *
> * Side effects:
> * New code suddenly appears in memory.
> *
> =
*----------------------------------------------------------------------
> */
>
> int
> TclpLoadFile(interp, fileName, sym1, sym2, proc1Ptr, proc2Ptr,=20
> clientDataPtr)
> Tcl_Interp *interp; /* Used for error reporting. */
> char *fileName; /* Name of the file containing the =
desired
> * code. */
> char *sym1, *sym2; /* Names of two procedures to =
look up in
> * the file's symbol table. */
> Tcl_PackageInitProc **proc1Ptr, **proc2Ptr;
> /* Where to return the addresses =
corresponding
> * to sym1 and sym2. */
> ClientData *clientDataPtr; /* Filled with token for =
dynamically=20
> loaded
> * file which will be passed back to
> * TclpUnloadFile() to unload the file. =
*/
> {
> NSSymbol symbol;
> const struct mach_header *dyld_lib;
> Tcl_DString newName, ds;
> char *native;
>
> native =3D Tcl_UtfToExternalDString(NULL, fileName, -1, &ds);
> dyld_lib =3D NSAddImage(native,
> NSADDIMAGE_OPTION_WITH_SEARCHING |
> NSADDIMAGE_OPTION_RETURN_ON_ERROR);
> Tcl_DStringFree(&ds);
> =A0=A0
> if (!dyld_lib) {
> NSLinkEditErrors editError;
> char *name, *msg;
> NSLinkEditError(&editError, &errno, &name, &msg);
> Tcl_AppendResult(interp, msg, (char *) NULL);
> return TCL_ERROR;
> }
>
> /*
> * dyld adds an underscore to the beginning of symbol names.
> */
>
> native =3D Tcl_UtfToExternalDString(NULL, sym1, -1, &ds);
> Tcl_DStringInit(&newName);
> Tcl_DStringAppend(&newName, "_", 1);
> native =3D Tcl_DStringAppend(&newName, native, -1);
> symbol =3D NSLookupSymbolInImage(dyld_lib, native,
> NSLOOKUPSYMBOLINIMAGE_OPTION_BIND_NOW |
> NSLOOKUPSYMBOLINIMAGE_OPTION_RETURN_ON_ERROR);
> if(symbol) {
> *proc1Ptr =3D NSAddressOfSymbol(symbol);
> *clientDataPtr =3D NSModuleForSymbol(symbol);
> } else {
> *proc1Ptr=3DNULL;
> *clientDataPtr=3DNULL;
> }
> Tcl_DStringFree(&newName);
> Tcl_DStringFree(&ds);
>
> native =3D Tcl_UtfToExternalDString(NULL, sym2, -1, &ds);
> Tcl_DStringInit(&newName);
> Tcl_DStringAppend(&newName, "_", 1);
> native =3D Tcl_DStringAppend(&newName, native, -1);
> symbol =3D NSLookupSymbolInImage(dyld_lib, native,
> NSLOOKUPSYMBOLINIMAGE_OPTION_BIND_NOW |
> NSLOOKUPSYMBOLINIMAGE_OPTION_RETURN_ON_ERROR);
> if(symbol) {
> *proc2Ptr =3D NSAddressOfSymbol(symbol);
> } else {
> *proc2Ptr=3DNULL;
> }
> Tcl_DStringFree(&newName);
> Tcl_DStringFree(&ds);
> =A0=A0
> return TCL_OK;
> }
>
> ------------------------ end paste into=20
> tclLoadDyld.c -------------------------
>
>
> --
> ** Daniel A. Steffen ** "And now to something completely
> ** Department of Mathematics ** different" Monty Python
> ** Macquarie University ** <mailto:st...@ma...>
> ** NSW 2109 Australia ** =
<http://www.maths.mq.edu.au/~steffen/>
>
--
Jim Ingham ji...@ap...
Developer Tools - gdb
Apple Computer
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From: Daniel A. S. <st...@ic...> - 2002-02-15 13:18:46
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At 21:39 +1100 on 15/2/02, Daniel A. Steffen wrote:
>probably we should rewrite tclLoadDyld.c using the 10.1
>TwoLevelNamespaces API anyway.
I took a stab at this, c.f. below. (based on tclLoadDyld.c from the
tip of core-8-3-1-branch)
works well, doesn't fail on nonexistent files, searches
DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH etc. Howver, it probably requires 10.1,
<mach-o/dyld.h> is unclear on this (Jim?), so it might not be
appropriate for core-8-3-1-branch ?
If I don't hear any objections, I'll check a CONSTified version into
the HEAD though.
Cheers,
Daniel
-------------------------- paste into tclLoadDyld.c ------------------------=
--
#include "tclInt.h"
#include "tclPort.h"
#include <mach-o/dyld.h>
/*
*----------------------------------------------------------------------
*
* TclpLoadFile --
*
* Dynamically loads a binary code file into memory and returns
* the addresses of two procedures within that file, if they
* are defined.
*
* Results:
* A standard Tcl completion code. If an error occurs, an error
* message is left in the interpreter's result. *proc1Ptr and *proc2Pt=
r
* are filled in with the addresses of the symbols given by
* *sym1 and *sym2, or NULL if those symbols can't be found.
*
* Side effects:
* New code suddenly appears in memory.
*
*----------------------------------------------------------------------
*/
int
TclpLoadFile(interp, fileName, sym1, sym2, proc1Ptr, proc2Ptr, clientDataPtr=
)
Tcl_Interp *interp; /* Used for error reporting. */
char *fileName; /* Name of the file containing the desired
* code. */
char *sym1, *sym2; /* Names of two procedures to look up in
* the file's symbol table. */
Tcl_PackageInitProc **proc1Ptr, **proc2Ptr;
/* Where to return the addresses corresponding
* to sym1 and sym2. */
ClientData *clientDataPtr; /* Filled with token for dynamically loaded
* file which will be passed back to
* TclpUnloadFile() to unload the file. */
{
NSSymbol symbol;
const struct mach_header *dyld_lib;
Tcl_DString newName, ds;
char *native;
native =3D Tcl_UtfToExternalDString(NULL, fileName, -1, &ds);
dyld_lib =3D NSAddImage(native,
NSADDIMAGE_OPTION_WITH_SEARCHING |
NSADDIMAGE_OPTION_RETURN_ON_ERROR);
Tcl_DStringFree(&ds);
=A0=A0
if (!dyld_lib) {
NSLinkEditErrors editError;
char *name, *msg;
NSLinkEditError(&editError, &errno, &name, &msg);
Tcl_AppendResult(interp, msg, (char *) NULL);
return TCL_ERROR;
}
/*
* dyld adds an underscore to the beginning of symbol names.
*/
native =3D Tcl_UtfToExternalDString(NULL, sym1, -1, &ds);
Tcl_DStringInit(&newName);
Tcl_DStringAppend(&newName, "_", 1);
native =3D Tcl_DStringAppend(&newName, native, -1);
symbol =3D NSLookupSymbolInImage(dyld_lib, native,
NSLOOKUPSYMBOLINIMAGE_OPTION_BIND_NOW |
NSLOOKUPSYMBOLINIMAGE_OPTION_RETURN_ON_ERROR);
if(symbol) {
*proc1Ptr =3D NSAddressOfSymbol(symbol);
*clientDataPtr =3D NSModuleForSymbol(symbol);
} else {
*proc1Ptr=3DNULL;
*clientDataPtr=3DNULL;
}
Tcl_DStringFree(&newName);
Tcl_DStringFree(&ds);
native =3D Tcl_UtfToExternalDString(NULL, sym2, -1, &ds);
Tcl_DStringInit(&newName);
Tcl_DStringAppend(&newName, "_", 1);
native =3D Tcl_DStringAppend(&newName, native, -1);
symbol =3D NSLookupSymbolInImage(dyld_lib, native,
NSLOOKUPSYMBOLINIMAGE_OPTION_BIND_NOW |
NSLOOKUPSYMBOLINIMAGE_OPTION_RETURN_ON_ERROR);
if(symbol) {
*proc2Ptr =3D NSAddressOfSymbol(symbol);
} else {
*proc2Ptr=3DNULL;
}
Tcl_DStringFree(&newName);
Tcl_DStringFree(&ds);
=A0=A0
return TCL_OK;
}
------------------------ end paste into tclLoadDyld.c ----------------------=
---
--
** Daniel A. Steffen ** "And now to something completely
** Department of Mathematics ** different" Monty Python
** Macquarie University ** <mailto:st...@ma...>
** NSW 2109 Australia ** <http://www.maths.mq.edu.au/~steffen/>
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From: Daniel A. S. <st...@ic...> - 2002-02-15 10:39:39
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At 9:55 +0000 on 15/2/02, James Bonfield wrote:
>Note that there also seems to be a bug in MacOS X where if "native" is a file
>that does not exist then instead of returning a failure (as the docs state)
>the process simply exits! Wonderful...
AFAIK this is not a bug, just the default behaviour if no
LinkEditErrorHandlers are installed.
man 3 NSModule:
If the dynamic shared library has not already been loaded
it along with all the needed dependent libraries are
loaded. With the options parameter NSADDIMAGE_OPTION_NONE
then any error in loading will cause the linkEdit error
handler set by NSInstallLinkEditErrorHandlers(3) to be
called or the default action of printing the error and
exiting to be taken.
also see
http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/ReleaseNotes/TwoLevelNamespaces.html
probably we should rewrite tclLoadDyld.c using the 10.1
TwoLevelNamespaces API anyway.
Cheers,
Daniel
--
** Daniel A. Steffen ** "And now to something completely
** Department of Mathematics ** different" Monty Python
** Macquarie University ** <mailto:st...@ma...>
** NSW 2109 Australia ** <http://www.maths.mq.edu.au/~steffen/>
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From: James B. <jk...@mr...> - 2002-02-15 09:55:31
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On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 06:26:21PM -0800, Daniel Lopez wrote:
> daniel% /Users/daniel/install2/bin/tclsh8.4
> dyld: /Users/daniel/install2/bin/tclsh8.4 can't open library:
> libtcl8.4.dylib (No such file or directory, errno = 2)
>
> This is a pretty basic question, but this is my first experience with Mac OS
> X (and I am not even at the machine, but ssh'ing remotely into it :) and I
> have no clue on how to add that directory to my library path.
> I tried LD_LIBRARY_PATH and other Linux/Unix tricks but that does not seem
> to work.
MacOS X uses DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH.
Hoever even with that it doesn't work for me. Look in unix/tclLoadDyld.c and
you'll find this:
dyld_return = NSAddLibrary(native);
Looking at the docs it seems that NSAddLibraryWithSearching(native) (IIRC)
should then search DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH, but changing that _still_ didn't work
for me. In the end I had to manually implement it myself in tcl before calling
load.
Note that there also seems to be a bug in MacOS X where if "native" is a file
that does not exist then instead of returning a failure (as the docs state)
the process simply exits! Wonderful...
James
--
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Medical Research Council - Laboratory of Molecular Biology,
Hills Road, Cambridge, CB2 2QH, England.
Also see Staden Package WWW site at http://www.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk/pubseq/
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From: Daniel A. S. <st...@ic...> - 2002-02-15 04:02:27
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At 16:56 -0800 on 14/2/02, Daniel Lopez wrote: > > Daniel, >> >> Two things here. First, ot doesn't look like you are including the Tcl >> library in your link line for tk. But that doesn't much matter, the port of > >Do you know why Tk is not picking it up? > > 8.3.3 had no trouble looking in ../tcl8.3.3 to find it. > In 8.3.4, it does not find tcl even if I have it in .. or pass ithe > --with-tcl option it does not pickit it up > I tried also adding a -ltcl8.3 by hand and I get the same error c.f http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=110894&aid=506393&group_id=10894 the gist of the problem is that unlike on other platforms, the OSX linker needs to link with the Tcl library to make the Tk library, which the Tk makesystem doesn't provide for. after the Tk build fails, copying the tk.dylib link line and manually adding -ltcl8.3 works, or you can turn on TCL_STUBS in Tk's configure.in; however, there are a few missing bits in the makesystem for stub support that need to be backported from 8.4 (if you're still interested in building 8.3.4, I can provide them.) Cheers, Daniel -- ** Daniel A. Steffen ** "And now to something completely ** Department of Mathematics ** different" Monty Python ** Macquarie University ** <mailto:st...@ma...> ** NSW 2109 Australia ** <http://www.maths.mq.edu.au/~steffen/> |
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From: Daniel L. <da...@ra...> - 2002-02-15 02:14:02
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> > I will give it a try with the macosx-8-4-branch, will it work with latest > > Itcl? > > You will have to monkey a bit to get it built, but it should work. I checkout the sources from cvs, and I got Tcl/Tk8.4a2 and Itcl compiled and installed without any problem But I run into the following now, which I didnt with 8.3 daniel% /Users/daniel/install2/bin/tclsh8.4 dyld: /Users/daniel/install2/bin/tclsh8.4 can't open library: libtcl8.4.dylib (No such file or directory, errno = 2) This is a pretty basic question, but this is my first experience with Mac OS X (and I am not even at the machine, but ssh'ing remotely into it :) and I have no clue on how to add that directory to my library path. I tried LD_LIBRARY_PATH and other Linux/Unix tricks but that does not seem to work. Thanks Daniel |
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From: Jeff H. <Je...@Ac...> - 2002-02-15 02:06:07
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Call For Papers
9th Annual Tcl/Tk Conference
September 16-20, 2002
Vancouver, BC, Canada
We are pleased to announce the 9th Annual Tcl/Tk conference, to be
held September 16-20, 2002, in Vancouver, BC, Canada.
This conference is a forum to:
* bring together Tcl/Tk researchers and practitioners
* publish and present current work involving Tcl/Tk
* learn about the latest developments in Tcl/Tk
* plan for future Tcl/Tk related developments
The conference program will include paper presentations, tutorials,
Birds of a Feather (BOF) sessions and invited key-note talks. This
call invites you to submit extended abstracts to be considered for
the conference program. The conference schedule will consist of 2
days of tutorials (Monday - Tuesday) and 3 days for the main
conference (Wednesday - Friday).
Submission of Extended Abstracts
The conference provides an opportunity to report on original Tcl/Tk
research. The audience is practitioners and researchers who are
intermediate or experienced users of Tcl/Tk. For this reason,
reports on experiences and applications must draw out lessons for
other Tcl/Tk developers. Topics include, but are not limited to:
* System extensions
* Novel Tcl/Tk-based applications
* Experience reports on building applications in Tcl/Tk
* Comparative evaluations of Tcl/Tk and other languages or
toolkits for building applications
* Use of different programming paradigms in Tcl/Tk and
proposals for new directions.
* New areas of exploration for the Tcl/Tk language
Extended Abstracts should be written in English and 600 to 1000 words
long (1-2 pages). Omit extraneous or redundant information. Length
is not a direct factor in judging the quality of the submission.
Send submissions as plain text to <tcl2002@-SPAM-.tcl.tk> no later
than April 28, 2002. Authors of accepted abstracts will have until
August 20, 2002 to submit their final paper for the inclusion in the
conference proceedings. The proceedings will be made available on
CD-ROM, so extra materials like code samples are welcome.
The authors will have 20-25 minutes to present the paper at the
conference.
The program committee will review and evaluate papers according to
the following criteria:
* Quantity and quality of novel content
* Relevance and interest to the Tcl/Tk community
* Suitability of content for presentation at the conference
Proposals may report on commercial or non-commercial systems, but
those with only blatant marketing content will not be accepted.
Application and experience papers need to strike a balance between
background on the application domain and the relevance of Tcl/Tk to
the application. Application and experience papers should clearly
explain how the application or experience illustrates a novel use of
Tcl/Tk, and what lessons the Tcl/Tk community can derive from the
application or experience to apply to their own development efforts.
Papers accompanied by non-disclosure agreement forms will be returned
to the author(s) unread. All submissions are held in the highest
confidentiality prior to publication in the Proceedings, both as a
matter of policy and in accord with the U. S. Copyright Act of 1976.
Other Forms of Participation
The program committee also welcomes proposals for panel discussions
of up to 90 minutes. Proposals should include a list of confirmed
panelists, a title and format, and a panel description with position
statements from each panelist. Panels should have no more than four
speakers, including the panel moderator, and should allow time for
substantial interaction with attendees. Panels are not presentations
of related research papers.
Slots for Works-in-Progress (WIP) presentations and
Birds-of-a-Feather sessions (BOFs) are available on a first-come,
first-served basis starting in August 2002. Specific instructions
for reserving WIP and BOF time slots will be provided in the
registration information available in June 2002. Some WIP and BOF
time slots will be held open for on-site reservation, so we encourage
all attendees with interesting work in progress to consider
presenting that work at the conference.
Registration Information
More information on the conference will be available in Spring 2002
at the conference web site (http://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2002/)
and published on various Tcl/Tk-related information channels.
To keep in touch with conference announcements and Tcl events in
general, subscribe to the tcl-announce list at:
http://listserv.activestate.com/mailman/mysubs?show=announce
by entering your email and selecting Tcl-announce.
Conference Committee
Jeff Hobbs ActiveState Corp General Chair
Gerald Lester Aspen Technology Program Co-chair
Kevin Kenny GE Global Research Center Program Co-chair
Andreas Kupries ActiveState Corp
Andrej Vckovski NetCetera
Clif Flynt Noumena Corp
Ken Jones Avia Training
Larry Virden Chemical Abstracts Service (CAS)
Mac Cody Raytheon Company
Mark Roseman Sonexis, Inc.
Steve Landers Digital Smarties
Contact Information
tcl2002@-SPAM-.tcl.tk
http://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2002/
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