tcl-gsoc — Tcl Google Summer of Code discussion

Re: [Tcl-gsoc] TDBC driver

[Tomasz K. <tk...@gm...>]

I think that GSoC project scope could include adding more that one
database support, do TDBC, for example:
a) 1 or 2 database tcl-only adopters on top of existing Tcl bindings
b) one new C TDBC binding for selected database (+ evaluation how
feasable it is by comparing to tcl-only adopters - performance,
features, maintenance overhead)
c) checking how TDBC can be used on top other *popular* multidatabase
interfaces like OpenACS DB API
(http://openacs.org/doc/current/db-api.html) which was reimplemented
in pure Tcl as nstcl), AOLserver original ns_db and new Naviserver
ns_dbi, see comparision in http://wiki.tcl.tk/14972. We've already
have TclODBC TDBC driver.
d) explore approach about emulating those other multidatabase APIs on
top of TDBC to allow smooth transitions.

I'm not sure that all those points are feasible but i think they
should be researched. Single tcl-only adopter is probably a few days
task and it IMHO is far too small project for 12+ weeks of quite well
paid work. I think that we are willing to spend one slot for such a
more complete approach. But this is my humble opinion, maybe other
mentors disagree or rather support my view.

So I looking forward for a discussion. That is why I also cross post
it to tcl-core so others can join tcl-gsoc mailing list if interested
(https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tcl-gsoc).

--tkosiak

2009/3/29 vishakh harikumar <vs...@gm...>:
> ive been checking up on TDBC development too
> i think tcl interface for postgresql already exists
> http://pgtclng.projects.postgresql.org/ which is based on libpq the standard
> postgresql library
> so it would only be a matter of adding above library to the standard
> interface for the driver?
> so maybe i should apply for adding oracle support?
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[Tcl-gsoc] TDBC driver

[vishakh h. <vs...@gm...>]

ive been checking up on TDBC development too
i think tcl interface for postgresql already exists
http://pgtclng.projects.postgresql.org/ which is based on libpq the standard
postgresql library
so it would only be a matter of adding above library to the standard
interface for the driver?
so maybe i should apply for adding oracle support?

[Tcl-gsoc] .......:::::Hello:::::.......

[lukas m. <mia...@gm...>]

Hi everyone ! I would like to introduce myself. My name is Łukasz Miądowicz.

I'm 24 and I'm ungraduate in Gdańsk University of Technology at Faculty of
Applied Physics and Mathematics in Poland.
My main department is Department of Theoretical Physics and Quantum
Informatics.
I'm very exticed about Google Summer of Code 2009.
I have many passions in my life these are quantum informatics, quantum
chemistry,
applied mathematics,algorithms , photo manipulation. One of my favourite
passion is programming.
I have basic knowledge of TCL/TK. I can say that I'm advanced in Java, C++,
C.
I want to develop my TCL/TK knowledge and I think that participating in GSoC
2009 is the
best way for doing this. I'm fast learning person so learning this language
is not a problem for me.
I was participating in many projects at my department mainly numerical
projects for quantum chemistry and photo recognition.
I'm also implementing algorithms for quantum informatics (simulated quantum
computers).
I'm implementing an open-source application for Video-Conferecning in java
and red5 server now.
I have also practice in commercial programming (ERP systems etc.). My
favourite topic is
programming for science. (:
As I mentioned above I'm interested in photo manipulation and I found at
your projects
list a topic : "Tk Photo Image Manipulation". I have intermediate knowledge
in that matter.
During my 3rd year of studies I was programming algorithms for photo
manipulation such as
you mention at wiki.tcl.tk and other graphics routines as edge detection
(e.g. Canny algorithm), filters which
I could add to this Tk GSoC 2009 project.
I have very good mathematical and algorithmic knowledge in this matter.
Other interesting but less than above topic for me is : "Glade XML-to-Tk
Translator".

I would like to have further information about those projects especially "Tk
Photo Image Manipulation".
That's all about me (: .
I'm waiting for further information.

Best Regards, Lukas Miadowicz

[Tcl-gsoc] Post Scriptum

[Karol \Zal\ Z. <kar...@4z...>]

  What do you think about Tk Photo Image Manipulation? It would be
interesting for me :]

-- 
Best wishes,
Karol "Zal" Zalewski

WWW: www.4zal.net
JID: kar...@4z...
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[Tcl-gsoc] Short introduction

[Karol \Zal\ Z. <kar...@4z...>]

Hi!

  I am a 4th year student of Computer Science and a 2nd year student of
Management, Gdańsk University of Technology, from Poland (CEST, UTC+2).
I would like to participate in on of Tcl GSoC project. I have a little
experience in Tcl language - I made small Tcl/Expect framework for Intel
Technology Poland for Single Blade Computers BIOS/OS testing purposes
(2,5 month practices). I have also some experience in C/C++ (for ex.
"Talking keyboard" plug-in for Expressivo - voice synthesis app) and
Java - you can find some of my projects on my private FTP and on Assembla:

  - ftp://ftp.4zal.net/Projekty/
  - for ex. http://www.assembla.com/spaces/BAIproject/documents (Java
GUI tool for file encryption using Serpent cipher)
  - http://www.assembla.com/profile/zal?public=true

  As you can see I have two problems (and maybe another, but small one).
Time, project topic and language.

  Some of you may say "you have two faculties - how will you find time
for GSoC?". Yes, it is true, studying takes me about 45h for a week (CS
and Management in daily mode) and GSoC timeline does not fit to polish
vacation time (July, August and September). I would like to start
project on July, but if it is not possible, I will take dean vacation on
Management for one semester. It will not be a problem for me.

  I have already talked with Clif Flynt and Tomasz Kosiak, but TkTutor
is withdrawn and "Cross-platform framework for database application GUI
development" is developed in some other way. To be clear, I do not have
much experience, so every other project looks for me like it is a very
big problem which need a big amount of knowledge to complete it. Maybe
if someone suggest and explain me one of medium difficulty projects it
would be easier for me to make choice.

  Last, but not least - English. If you understand me, forget about this
paragraph - it is not a problem. If not, it will be a big problem ;-]

  You can find more info about me in my CV:
  - http://www.4zal.net/full_ang.pdf

-- 
Best wishes,
Karol "Zal" Zalewski

WWW: www.4zal.net
JID: kar...@4z...
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[Tcl-gsoc] Tk demo expansion

[Damien TARDY-P. <dam...@gm...>]

Hi,

I'm Damien Tardy-Panis. I introduced myself on this mailing list if you want
more informations about me.
I applied for the XLS read/write application and I'd like to do the same for
another project as you advised.

I was also first interested in the Tktutor which was replaced by Tk demo
expansion project.
I would like to ask you some questions about this project, more exactly I
would know if I understand precisely what you are expected for.

As I understood it will be an application with graphical interface, that
allows the user to code some small games, text editor and other predefined
programs in Tcl/Tk showing him how to do it step by step with explanations.
So the user needs to have a good command of Tcl ?
As I supposed that it is just demo for Tk, I was thinking of doing several
demos for each program which depend on what are the user's skills in Tcl. In
this way, every Tcl user will be able to use Tk without the need to
understand "difficult" Tcl code.
It will show that with a minimum of Tcl skills, we can do interesting things
with Tk.
But maybe, you think that's not a good idea to differenciate the users ?


Thank you for your reply,

Best regards,
Damien Tardy-Panis

Ensimag, Grenoble, France (National School for Computer Science and Applied
Mathematics of Grenoble).

Re: [Tcl-gsoc] Hello !

[Tomasz K. <tk...@da...>]

On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Kevin Kenny <ke...@ac...> wrote:
> Nitin Gupta wrote:
>> Hello ,
>>                                I am Nitin Gupta from India. i am
>> undergraduate engineering student in computer science  where  i am in
>> III year of my course.
>>  i am willing to work in  "TDBC driver development " mentored by kevin
>> kenny.
>
> I'm glad to hear of your interest.
>
> Tomasz, can you fill me in on what I should be telling this guy
> about the mechanics of applying? I'm fairly new to this.
>
> Kevin

Students register in Melange almost in the same way as mentors (I have
posted about it today). For students it is described step by step
here: http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/userguide#depth_students

--tkosiak

[Tcl-gsoc] Why IMHO it is good to post in public about your GSoC application?

[Tomasz K. <tk...@da...>]

Please send to <tcl...@li...> at least reminder that
you actively researching proposed project in private e-mails with a
mentor (name him) and you are planning to apply to this idea.

1. This is the only way to *early* know that some proposed ideas are
getting too crowded and we admins should step in to handle that.

2. Don't afraid posting in public. We as a community know that this is
difficult for students. But otherwise you miss opportunity to get
advise from other people who are also experts in this field. Remember
that some of the best experts are not mentioned as mentors.

3. If you do post in public about your research and questions you make
it more probable that this project will be assign to you. All students
interested in this project can judge their chances better. It is
expected that two or more students apply to some really important
projects for the community. But in the process you may realize that
there is also another strong candidate so you should maybe think also
about secondary application for another idea from our list. Remember
that application can be revised by public comments even after the
deadline for submission set currently on March 3rd 12:00 PDT = 19:00
UTC.

4. When you discuss an idea in public you advertise among other
mentors that will later review and score your application. From last
year I know that it was sometimes difficult to understand what student
meant when you were not involved in the earlier discussions.

--tkosiak





If any student only contacted potentials mentors in private e-mail

[Tcl-gsoc] Even potential GSoC mentors/reviewers should sign into Melange

[Tomasz K. <tk...@da...>]

Hi!

If you've been contacted by a student in private about Google Summer
of Code or you have contributed to our GSoC 2009 idea list *please*
sign in to Melange (web app prepared by Google to handle GSoC 2009).
There we mentors can put private comments on student applications,
score them, etc. It is desirable that TCT members or Tcl/Tk
maintainers sign-in into Melange to be able to influence which
projects will be funded.

How to do it:

1. Make sure you have an GMail account (you can forward it easily to
you normal e-mail account in Settings so you don't have to use it to
read e-mail).
2. Sign-in with you GMail account to http://socghop.appspot.com
3. Choose LinkID (your screen name in Melange) to be somehow related
to your first+last name so it will be easy to identify you
4. Apply to be a mentor (last item in the left menu) for Tcl Community
Association - it is under this link
http://socghop.appspot.com/org/apply_mentor/google/gsoc2009

Do this even if you do not plan to mentor but you are willing to help
us refine the scope of projects from your field of expertise.

For me this is a declaration that we should add you to private e-mail
discussion about students applications.

--tkosiak

Re: [Tcl-gsoc] Hello !

[Kevin K. <ke...@ac...>]

Nitin Gupta wrote:
> Hello ,
>                                I am Nitin Gupta from India. i am 
> undergraduate engineering student in computer science  where  i am in 
> III year of my course.
>  i am willing to work in  "TDBC driver development " mentored by kevin 
> kenny.
> I have fair skills of C,C++, Java and SQL. i must tell that i am new to 
> tcl but i am highly interested in it..
> i always love to work in the guidance of great people and i believe that 
> it will be a very good chance for me to learn a lot and hone my skills.

I'm glad to hear of your interest.

You should probably start by reading http://tip.tcl.tk/308, where
TDBC is specified; the manual pages for tdbc and its classes
(tdbc::connection, tdbc::statement, tdbc::resultset) are also
likely to be informative.

Another thing that you're going to have to decide early - probably
before the final version of your proposal goes in - is what database
you intend to target.  We already have drivers for MySQL and for
ODBC in reasonable working order, so I'd say that choosing one
of those is unlikely to result in an acceptable proposal. We could
use a SQLite3 driver that uses the C interfaces (the current one
layers on top of the 'sqlite3' Tcl extension and is written in Tcl),
but even more urgent is to have drivers for the other popular engines.
Postgresql, Oracle, and SQL Server (the native API, not ODBC) all
come to mind as needed. But if you have another database in mind,
tell us and we can talk.

Tomasz, can you fill me in on what I should be telling this guy
about the mechanics of applying? I'm fairly new to this.

Kevin

Re: [Tcl-gsoc] Some clarification: What project ideas students should be focusing the most?

[Tomasz K. <tk...@da...>]

I thought that it will be clear that the list below is not settled but
it is just a proposal to start up the discussion. But I've received
quite a few complaints about it as not comprehensive - IT IS NOT.

As my page with hints still didn't have any useful content it is no
longer linked from our main list - in order not to mislead students
and mentors.

--tkosiak

2009/3/27 Tomasz Kosiak <tk...@da...>:

>>>>
>>>> I feel that this year it is good to focus on:
>>>> 1 string handling modernization (titlecase, unicode, ropes, etc)
>>>> 2 regexp engine
>>>> 3 http protocol code unification
>>>> 4 Tcl application server
>>>> 5 Tk printing
>>>> 6 XLS in Tcl
>>>> 7 Bittorrent & SSH in pure Tcl
>>>> 8 native GTK, QT, Cocoa Title themes
>>>> 9 Tcl on bare metal (embedded Linux / Solaris / QNX)
>>>> and some more I haven't noticed yet
>>>>

Re: [Tcl-gsoc] Guidance regarding further process.

[Pat T. <pat...@us...>]

Yash Goswami <ya...@gm...> writes:

>Hi
>
>As the last date of submitting the application  for GSOC 2009 is approaching
>I have intensified my understanding of the  projects that I am interested
>in. I have started scanning project needs and learning Tcl/Tk further.
>
>Projects of my Interest are -
>
>1. *Tk Demo Expansion*
>    Mentor: Donal Fellows or Jeff Hobbs
>
>2. *Improved HTTP/1.1 support in the core*
>   Mentor: Pat Thoyts, backup Jeff Hobbs
>
>I would be obliged if you could guide me about what should be my objectives
>for coming days.
>Thanks.

I will try and write up a brief specification document for the http
work by end of Monday (I'm away all week-end).

-- 
Pat Thoyts                            http://www.patthoyts.tk/
PGP fingerprint 2C 6E 98 07 2C 59 C8 97  10 CE 11 E6 04 E0 B9 DD

Re: [Tcl-gsoc] GSOC: RegExp Engine

[Andreas K. <and...@ac...>]

Mukhitdinov Manzur wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> A month ago I had conversation with Jeff and Andreas about 2 projects, 
> namely "RegExp engine" and "Graph query language".


> But unfortunately, "Graph query language" was given to Alejandro(a 
> student from previous year).

To clarify. While Alejandro has stated that he is continuing work on 
struct::graph and operations on them he has not stated that he is doing Graph 
Query exactly. The point is, that even working full-tilt only on graph 
operations he (Alejandro) will not be able to do everything.

I would recommend to contact Alejandro and query him about his short- to 
medium-term plans, to see what he is _not_ working on, and whether your ideas 
in the area fit into these holes.

Andreas

[Tcl-gsoc] Guidance regarding further process.

[Yash G. <ya...@gm...>]

Hi

As the last date of submitting the application  for GSOC 2009 is approaching
I have intensified my understanding of the  projects that I am interested
in. I have started scanning project needs and learning Tcl/Tk further.

Projects of my Interest are -

1. *Tk Demo Expansion*
    Mentor: Donal Fellows or Jeff Hobbs

2. *Improved HTTP/1.1 support in the core*
   Mentor: Pat Thoyts, backup Jeff Hobbs

I would be obliged if you could guide me about what should be my objectives
for coming days.
Thanks.

-- 
Regards
Yash Goswami

[Tcl-gsoc] Hello !

[Nitin G. <nit...@gm...>]

Hello ,
                               I am Nitin Gupta from India. i am
undergraduate engineering student in computer science  where  i am in III
year of my course.
 i am willing to work in  "TDBC driver development " mentored by kevin
kenny.
I have fair skills of C,C++, Java and SQL. i must tell that i am new to tcl
but i am highly interested in it..
i always love to work in the guidance of great people and i believe that it
will be a very good chance for me to learn a lot and hone my skills.

waiting for your response ..

Thanks .

Nitin Gupta

[Tcl-gsoc] GSOC: RegExp Engine

[Mukhitdinov M. <man...@gm...>]

Hi!

A month ago I had conversation with Jeff and Andreas about 2 projects,
namely "RegExp engine" and "Graph query language".
But unfortunately, "Graph query language" was given to Alejandro(a student
from previous year). So I focused my attention on "RegExp engine" project.

I've following solutions:

- Coding Style

   Make RegExp engine follow coding style written in "Tcl Style Guide" for
Tcl and "Tcl/Tk engineering" for C.

- Reversion

  Reversion of automaton is done simply by adding a new state from which all
previous accept states are reachable for 0 step(that means, needs no input).
Then, previous accept states are changed to non-accept and previous
beginning state is changed to accept state.
   In practice it can be done by addional "reverse" flag to regexp/regsub
("options" array) and setting appropriate flag for Tcl_RegExpFromObj. All
following work with automaton manipulation is done when regexp is compiled

-Lookbehind constraints

I've 2 solutions to this problem:
   1) Lookbehind constraint is somewhat similar to lookafter constraint. So
it can be done by changing lookbehind to lookafter and placing empty
character before it.
        For example, If we were searching for
             (?<=a)b
       we could change it to
             e(?=a)b
       where e - is empty character

    But this solution is more patchy. To give precise position of the match
we should somehow adjust the current position. It's more invisible problems

   2) This solution is involves adding caching, structures, constants and
functions similar what's needed for lookafter constraint

- Stream interface.
   It seems to me that adding this feature to the core slows the engine.
Cause each element is compiled every time it's extracted. Of course, caching
may help, but performance will vary from case to case. Besides, it can be
done without much effort by the user

- Fixed character width
  I can't see what's the problem. If it intends removing
Tcl_UtfToUniCharDString call and doing byte oriented search we can face
problems with counting.

After each step documentation will be updated and test suites will be
developed!

Comments are appreciated.

Thanks for your attention,
Manzur

[Tcl-gsoc] [Tcl/Tk Community] We need *urgent* advertisement among CS students about Tcl in GSoC 2009

[Tomasz K. <tk...@gm...>]

Hi! I'm Tomasz Kosiak.

This year I have an honor to officially serve as an administrator for
Tcl/Tk Community involvement in Google Summer of Code 2009 program. I
would like to ask all broad Tcl community members to help us reach
students worldwide and encourage them to apply for a summer
scholarship.

If you have never heard of Google Summer of Code (aka GSoC) it is a
Google, Inc. sponsored initiative to fund aproximately 1000 student
scholarship $4500 each for coding during a summer for ideas freely
chosen by approved open-source organization. Tcl/Tk community is
approved again by Google this year (second time).

We seek opportunities to advertise among CS students our GSoC project
ideas. That is why I have prepared one slide info about Tcl/Tk and
GSoC. This e-mail can be freely forwarded directly to prospective
students or to your fellow university teachers so they can show this
slide for their students. The goal is to reach students worldwide
willing to apply to Tcl/Tk as mentoring organization.

See Tcl/Tk GSoC 2009 in a pill at http://tinyurl.com/tcl-gsoc2009 and
this is the only URL students shall write down to get started.

Official news about Tcl/Tk GSoC 2009 is at http://www.tcl.tk/gsoc/ and
http://wiki.tcl.tk/22182.

We, Tcl mentors and admins, are really willing to help students
prepare their applications. This is what our community is fond of.

As last year we *do* plan to act as umbrella organization for other
Tcl-related projects like Tk, XOTcl, Expect, AOLserver, Naviserver,
OpenACS, aMSN, Coccinella and others. We will try to lobby Google to
assure one student slot to those interested sub-communities. But we
need your ideas, mentors and promotion of our effort among students as
number of slots is mostly proportional to number of students
application received by an organization.

This is urgent as it would be best to reach students before the
weekend as student application deadline is set to April 3: 12 noon PDT
/ 19:00 UTC

Don't hesitate to contact me and Matthew Burke directly. Jeff Hobbs
(Tcl Guy  you all know) is also actively involved.

Regards and Happy Tcl'ing,
Tomasz Kosiak

PS. You can point students to other resources prepared by Google from
which I like the most the MS PowerPoint Slides from Philip Johnson's
presentation on Google Summer of Code at
http://csdl.ics.hawaii.edu/~johnson/screencasts/GSoC2009.ppt (see also
the video at http://csdl.ics.hawaii.edu/~johnson/screencasts/GSoC2009.mov).
These resource are both mentioned at official Google Blog in a post at
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/03/supporting-students-in-open-source.html

[Tcl-gsoc] tk demo expansion project

[Rahul S. <nit...@gm...>]

I have used tcl/tk scripts in my minor project in ns2.I have also used tk
widgets.I want to improve demo framework ( project idea gsoc 2009 Tk Demo
Expansion.But i am not able to understand that what do you mean by involving
a game showing good coding practise and whats the use of text editor.

waiting for your reply
thanks in advance

-- 
Rahul singhal
B.Tech. PART IV
Department of Computer Engineering
NIT Kurukshetra
Kurukshetra

[Tcl-gsoc] gsoc project idea

[Rahul S. <nit...@gm...>]

hello ,

I have used tk/tcl scripts in my minor project in ns2.I have also used tk
widgets.I want to improve demo framework ( project idea gsoc 2009 Tk Demo
Expansion.But i am not able to understand that what do you mean by involving
a game showing good coding practise and whats the use of text editor.

waiting for your reply

-- 
Rahul singhal
B.Tech. PART IV
Department of Computer Engineering
NIT Kurukshetra
Kurukshetra

Re: [Tcl-gsoc] What project ideas students should be focusing the most?

[Tomasz K. <tk...@da...>]

I have created this new page skeleton at http://wiki.tcl.tk/23043 and
linked it at the top of our Project Ideas page. Real content will come
tomorrow if my daily duties will allow me that. It's here to draft the
idea (but I'm not sure I have manged to do so in its current state =
definitely I need some sleep to be able to put in it more effort
tomorrow).

--tkosiak

[Tcl-gsoc] Some clarification: What project ideas students should be focusing the most?

[Tomasz K. <tk...@da...>]

The question mark in the title was meant that I am just asking myself
not judging.

This way I've tried to say my list is *VERY* preliminary and not
complete. It will probably be discussed an reedited several times. It
was presented by me to reach final goal which is - I think - that
students need some help in understanding what lies beneath particular
ideas and this is very hard to grasp without watching/participating in
the community for a longer time.

I dared to repost below Jeff Hobbs private reply as it clarifies one
project as an example.

--tkosiak


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jeff Hobbs <je...@ac...>
Date: Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Tcl-gsoc] What project ideas students should be focusing the most?
To: Radosław Szulgo <rs...@gm...>, Tomasz Kosiak <tk...@da...>


Hi Radoslaw,

The list is not comprehensive, but rather a short-list for projects
that we want to highlight.  Jacl is a perfectly acceptable choice from
the larger list (which I suppose should be linked from this shortlist
that Tomasz is creating).

Jeff

On 26/03/2009 4:46 PM, Radosław Szulgo wrote:
>
> Hello,
> few days ago, Tom Poindexter contacted with you about 'Jacl modernization' idea. Unfortunately, on list below there is no project about Jacl.  This mean that there's no place for Jacl this year? I ask because I don't know if I can apply for a Jalc idea at GSoC 2009 or should I select other project.
>
> -- Radoslaw Szulgo
>
> Jeff Hobbs pisze:
>>
>> On 26/03/2009 4:23 PM, Tomasz Kosiak wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I plan to create another wiki page to prioritize and explain more
>>> deeply the most promising ideas from our idea list. This is what I had
>>> done last year for Polish students and it allow them to dive more
>>> easily into the Tcl community / soure code (even as they were new
>>> commers). This makes me believe that it will be useful for other
>>> students this year as well.
>>>
>>> But I need your help to correct my poor the wording and my
>>> understanding as I can be sometimes wrong. When I will be ready I link
>>> this page from the top of our idea list and let you know be this
>>> mailing list.
>>>
>>> I feel that this year it is good to focus on:
>>> 1 string handling modernization (titlecase, unicode, ropes, etc)
>>> 2 regexp engine
>>> 3 http protocol code unification
>>> 4 Tcl application server
>>> 5 Tk printing
>>> 6 XLS in Tcl
>>> 7 Bittorrent & SSH in pure Tcl
>>> 8 native GTK, QT, Cocoa Title themes
>>> 9 Tcl on bare metal (embedded Linux / Solaris / QNX)
>>> and some more I haven't noticed yet
>>>
>>
>> I think that we should prioritize projects most likely to succeed and benefit the larger community.  In that sense, the Tk Demo Expansion would be better, but #9 above less so.  #6 may be nice for a niche project, but not sure overall.  #5 I think should be classified as hard ... unlikely to succeed.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> _______________________________________________
>> Tcl-gsoc mailing list
>> Tcl...@li...
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tcl-gsoc
>>

Re: [Tcl-gsoc] What project ideas students should be focusing the most?

[Jeff H. <je...@ac...>]

On 26/03/2009 4:23 PM, Tomasz Kosiak wrote:
> I plan to create another wiki page to prioritize and explain more
> deeply the most promising ideas from our idea list. This is what I had
> done last year for Polish students and it allow them to dive more
> easily into the Tcl community / soure code (even as they were new
> commers). This makes me believe that it will be useful for other
> students this year as well.
> 
> But I need your help to correct my poor the wording and my
> understanding as I can be sometimes wrong. When I will be ready I link
> this page from the top of our idea list and let you know be this
> mailing list.
> 
> I feel that this year it is good to focus on:
> 1 string handling modernization (titlecase, unicode, ropes, etc)
> 2 regexp engine
> 3 http protocol code unification
> 4 Tcl application server
> 5 Tk printing
> 6 XLS in Tcl
> 7 Bittorrent & SSH in pure Tcl
> 8 native GTK, QT, Cocoa Title themes
> 9 Tcl on bare metal (embedded Linux / Solaris / QNX)
> and some more I haven't noticed yet

I think that we should prioritize projects most likely to succeed and 
benefit the larger community.  In that sense, the Tk Demo Expansion 
would be better, but #9 above less so.  #6 may be nice for a niche 
project, but not sure overall.  #5 I think should be classified as hard 
... unlikely to succeed.

Jeff

[Tcl-gsoc] What project ideas students should be focusing the most?

[Tomasz K. <tk...@gm...>]

I plan to create another wiki page to prioritize and explain more
deeply the most promising ideas from our idea list. This is what I had
done last year for Polish students and it allow them to dive more
easily into the Tcl community / soure code (even as they were new
commers). This makes me believe that it will be useful for other
students this year as well.

But I need your help to correct my poor the wording and my
understanding as I can be sometimes wrong. When I will be ready I link
this page from the top of our idea list and let you know be this
mailing list.

I feel that this year it is good to focus on:
- string handling modernization (titlecase, unicode, ropes, etc)
- regexp engine
- http protocol code unification
- Tcl application server
- Tk printing
- XLS in Tcl
- Bittorrent & SSH in pure Tcl
- native GTK, QT, Cocoa Title themes
- Tcl on bare metal (embedded Linux / Solaris / QNX)
and some more I haven't noticed yet

--tkosiak

[Tcl-gsoc] Plan to advertise Tcl/Tk GSoC 2009 among students

[Tomasz K. <tk...@da...>]

Hi!

I do plan to ask some Tcl community members to forward to befriended
university stuff some slides like those prepared by me for Richard
Hipp lectures in Poland - I've put them at
http://purl.org/NET/gsoc2009 so this the only url that students have
to write down.

I do plan to prepare today 1-3 PDF slides not targeted for Polish
students so I've asked Jeff Hobbs to put
http://x36.dacsystem.pl/gsoc/frame/index.html at official location at
http://www.tcl.tk/gsoc/
- it would be official url in those slides.

What do you think about it? Do you have some befriended academics who
can help us recruit some talented students for a Tcl GSoC 2009?

--tkosiak

Re: [Tcl-gsoc] A short introduce ;-)

[Jeff H. <je...@ac...>]

Hi Marcin,

On 26/03/2009 4:38 AM, Marcin Kwiatkowski wrote:
> I am writing since I found Tcl/tk a very interesting project I'd be 
> pleased to join in. My name is Marcin Kwiatkowski and a student from 
> Poland. Since I'm staring my adventure with Tcl/tk right now, I'm 
> collecting all the required information which may be useful for me to 
> start developing Tcl/tk. I'm also available at IRC (nick: marcink86).

Would you care to elaborate on your project interests and strengths?

Regards,

Jeff