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From: Michael J M. <mm...@ca...> - 2000-10-03 20:14:17
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Your message dated: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 09:14:09 PDT
> It's time to vote on the maintainers/patches proposal that we have
> been discussing for the last week. ...
Strict: Yes
Relaxed: No
The "Relaxed" proposal cuts maintainers out of the loop, encouraging
them to be lazy or to drop out entirely. If we're going to have
maintainers, they must have authority and responsibility.
--Michael
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From: Donald G P. <dg...@ca...> - 2000-10-04 00:12:04
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Strict: Yes
Relaxed: No
With CVS branches we can layer "Relaxed" style development areas on
top of the "Strict" official branches. It would be very difficult to
carve out a "Strict" environment out of the "Relaxed" style. Eventually
Strict control is necessary to actually make a release.
Maintainers are burdened with the responsibility of delivering their
sections of code ready for release. They need the corresponding
authority to be able to make that happen.
The Strict proposal also maximizes pre-commit review and minimizes
post-commit second-guessing, so that users tracking the CVS HEAD can
be more confident they are tracking features which will appear in a
future release, not just some trials and errors.
Strict isn't perfect, but it can evolve into workable procedures.
DGP
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From: Andreas K. <a.k...@we...> - 2000-10-04 07:17:20
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii [Same as Jim. I.e. posted this to tct before.] Strict: Yes Relaxed: Prefer - -- So long, Andreas Kupries <a.k...@we...> <http://www.purl.org/NET/akupries/> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2i iQCVAwUBOdpa75/nJG9pmFelAQEkkwP9H0MqKJ5y8YvUuYZe/umvYkClr764+gHo cW8frC3QHD5yDFmmv+uoSK0heogFshaLpYK6EdJRI0achFEfBb0ZwVjxi2eXE2l3 Eg2kEnwCXeQ+xLmoCgIKErM0o7GHXdS2ZHbrEG4ZQb1P1FTRr85NHFYOkCLmJG6M 8BP+S5So5FU= =ly1H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- The TclCore mailing list is sponsored by Ajuba Solutions To unsubscribe: email tcl...@aj... with the word UNSUBSCRIBE as the subject. |
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From: Andreas K. <a.k...@we...> - 2000-10-03 22:17:24
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-------- [Same as Jim. I.e. posted this to tct before.] Strict: Yes Relaxed: Prefer -- So long, Andreas Kupries <a.k...@we...> <http://www.purl.org/NET/akupries/> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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From: George H. <ga...@bl...> - 2000-10-04 15:05:13
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Your message dated: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 09:14:09 PDT
> It's time to vote on the maintainers/patches proposal that we have
> been discussing for the last week. ...
Strict: Yes
Relaxed: No
--gah
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From: Andreas K. <a.k...@we...> - 2000-10-06 04:55:48
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> The voting period for the maintainers and patches proposal is now over.
> Here are the results:
>
> Strict proposal:
> Prefer - 3 (Nijtmans, Ousterhout, Hobbs)
> Yes - 9 (Kupries, Welch, Ingham, McLennan, Porter, DeJong,
> Harrison, Fellow, Howlett)
> No - 0
>
> Relaxed proposal:
> Prefer - 1 (Kupries)
> Yes - 4 (Ousterhout, Nijtmans, Fellows, Hobbs)
> No - 7 (Ingham, McLennan, Porter, DeJong, Harrison, Howlett, Welch)
>
> If I have erroneously reported your vote, please respond ASAP.
I have DRH as Strict = Yes, Relaxed = Prefer in my notes [x].
Attached the mail I base this upon. He posted to TCT, not tclcore.
Just for completeness.
** This does not change the outcome of the vote. **
[cc'd to Richard for verification]
> Otherwise the strict proposal is the clear winner and the relaxed
> proposal is rejected. I will start integrating the strict proposal
> into the FAQ.
[x]
VOTE Maintainers & Patches {John Ousterhout}
Strict Relax (Reasons for -, short)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Michael McLennan + - (Maintainers out of loop for Relaxed)
Jeffrey Hobbs ++ +
Donal Fellows + +
Mark Harrison + - (Refers to Jim & Don)
Brent Welch + -
George A. Howlett + -
Mo DeJong + - (Experience from past projects)
John Ousterhout ++ +
Jim Ingham + - (Not enough discussion pro/contra Relaxed)
D. Richard Hipp + ++
Jan Nijtmans ++ +
Andreas Kupries + ++
Don Porter + - (Relaxed possible per CVS branches in individual cases)
Karl Lehenbauer / /
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++3+10/1 ++2+4-7/1
Strict is accepted.
--
So long,
Andreas Kupries <a.k...@we...>
<http://www.purl.org/NET/akupries/>
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From: John O. <ou...@aj...> - 2000-10-05 20:43:02
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Oops, my mistake. Somehow I missed Richard's message, which I
see now in my mailbox. Sorry about that...
-John-
At 09:55 PM 10/5/2000 +0200, Andreas Kupries wrote:
> > The voting period for the maintainers and patches proposal is now over.
> > Here are the results:
> >
> > Strict proposal:
> > Prefer - 3 (Nijtmans, Ousterhout, Hobbs)
> > Yes - 9 (Kupries, Welch, Ingham, McLennan, Porter, DeJong,
> > Harrison, Fellow, Howlett)
> > No - 0
> >
> > Relaxed proposal:
> > Prefer - 1 (Kupries)
> > Yes - 4 (Ousterhout, Nijtmans, Fellows, Hobbs)
> > No - 7 (Ingham, McLennan, Porter, DeJong, Harrison, Howlett, Welch)
> >
> > If I have erroneously reported your vote, please respond ASAP.
>
>I have DRH as Strict = Yes, Relaxed = Prefer in my notes [x].
>Attached the mail I base this upon. He posted to TCT, not tclcore.
>Just for completeness.
>
> ** This does not change the outcome of the vote. **
>
>[cc'd to Richard for verification]
>
> > Otherwise the strict proposal is the clear winner and the relaxed
> > proposal is rejected. I will start integrating the strict proposal
> > into the FAQ.
>
>[x]
>
>VOTE Maintainers & Patches {John Ousterhout}
> Strict Relax (Reasons for -, short)
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Michael McLennan + - (Maintainers out of loop for Relaxed)
>Jeffrey Hobbs ++ +
>Donal Fellows + +
>Mark Harrison + - (Refers to Jim & Don)
>Brent Welch + -
>George A. Howlett + -
>Mo DeJong + - (Experience from past projects)
>John Ousterhout ++ +
>Jim Ingham + - (Not enough discussion pro/contra Relaxed)
>D. Richard Hipp + ++
>Jan Nijtmans ++ +
>Andreas Kupries + ++
>Don Porter + - (Relaxed possible per CVS branches in individual cases)
>Karl Lehenbauer / /
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ++3+10/1 ++2+4-7/1
> Strict is accepted.
>
>
>--
>So long,
> Andreas Kupries <a.k...@we...>
> <http://www.purl.org/NET/akupries/>
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From: D. R. H. <dr...@hw...> - 2000-10-06 05:36:16
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Andreas Kupries wrote: > > > > If I have erroneously reported your vote, please respond ASAP. > > I have DRH as Strict = Yes, Relaxed = Prefer in my notes [x]. > Attached the mail I base this upon. He posted to TCT, not tclcore. > Just for completeness. > > ** This does not change the outcome of the vote. ** > This is correct. I would have spoken up, but as you observe, there is no change in the outcome. Sorry about the list mixup... -- D. Richard Hipp -- dr...@hw... -- http://www.hwaci.com/drh/ -- The TclCore mailing list is sponsored by Ajuba Solutions To unsubscribe: email tcl...@aj... with the word UNSUBSCRIBE as the subject. |
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