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From: Donald G P. <don...@ni...> - 2013-03-25 13:17:27
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RC0 release candidates for Tcl and Tk 8.5.14 are now posted at
ftp://ftp.tcl.tk/pub/tcl/tcl8_5/
I'm looking for any regressions compared with the 8.5.13 releases, or
any serious bugs with fixes pending on the scale of days. Report any
troubles you find, and if any match that description we'll hold the
release until we can examine them. Otherwise, this RC0 will become the
release. Wednesday if possible (and noone here requests a delay), or
soon after.
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| Don Porter Applied and Computational Mathematics Division |
| don...@ni... Information Technology Laboratory |
| http://math.nist.gov/~DPorter/ NIST |
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From: Griffin, B. <bri...@me...> - 2013-03-25 15:29:56
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On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:17 AM, Donald G Porter <don...@ni...> wrote: > > RC0 release candidates for Tcl and Tk 8.5.14 are now posted at > > ftp://ftp.tcl.tk/pub/tcl/tcl8_5/ > > I'm looking for any regressions compared with the 8.5.13 releases, or > any serious bugs with fixes pending on the scale of days. Report any > troubles you find, and if any match that description we'll hold the > release until we can examine them. Otherwise, this RC0 will become the > release. Wednesday if possible (and noone here requests a delay), or > soon after. I am currently investigating a serious problem with Tk/unix (potentially). All I know at this point is that our Tk application causes a remote window manager to crash. The Tk application is running on a machine running linux. The X server is running on a sun blade, Java Desktop, metacity window manager. Only the window manager is affected. Replacing metacity with twm, twm does not crash. The Tk application does not crash. Both Tk 8.5.8 and Tk 8.5.13 exhibit the same behavior, Tk8.4.14 does not (i.e. works fine). At this point I cannot say if it's Tk, or something specific to the application that is causing the crash, but anything and everything the application (potentially) does to the window manager is done via Tk. Right now there is nothing actionable that would warrant holding up the 8.5.14 release. But if I do find a Tk bug, it's likely a patch would be needed forthwith. This is going to be nasty to track down. Wish me luck, -Brian |
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From: Harald O. <har...@el...> - 2013-03-25 15:33:19
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Am 25.03.2013 14:17, schrieb Donald G Porter: > > RC0 release candidates for Tcl and Tk 8.5.14 are now posted at > > ftp://ftp.tcl.tk/pub/tcl/tcl8_5/ Donald, thank you pushing 8.5.14 out of the door. I am quite happy to get a release with the windows junction bug fixed. All tests ok. TCL Test suite failures identical to 8.5.13. Tk looks fine to for me. Test log is attached here but may be inaccurate because I used the computer while testing. Thank you, Harald Side note: when I unzip the ".tar.gz" with 7-zip, nearly all file-related test fail with access errors. I had to untar on unix and copy the files over. |
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From: Donald G P. <don...@ni...> - 2013-03-25 15:30:20
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On 03/25/2013 11:30 AM, Harald Oehlmann wrote: > Side note: when I unzip the ".tar.gz" with 7-zip, nearly all > file-related test fail with access errors. I had to untar on unix and > copy the files over. I welcome advice on how to correct this problem. Anyone else see it? -- | Don Porter Applied and Computational Mathematics Division | | don...@ni... Information Technology Laboratory | | http://math.nist.gov/~DPorter/ NIST | |______________________________________________________________________| |
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From: Harald O. <har...@el...> - 2013-03-25 15:58:22
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Am 25.03.2013 16:30, schrieb Donald G Porter: > On 03/25/2013 11:30 AM, Harald Oehlmann wrote: >> Side note: when I unzip the ".tar.gz" with 7-zip, nearly all >> file-related test fail with access errors. I had to untar on unix and >> copy the files over. > > I welcome advice on how to correct this problem. Anyone else see it? > Donald, My intention was to warn people, that there might be an issue not due to tcl but due to eventual file rights settings done by 7 zip from the unix rights of the tar file. The issue does not arise for zip archives. For me, this is ok. The final release has zip files which work fine. For RC files, one should untar on unix. Thank you, Harald |
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From: Donald G P. <don...@ni...> - 2013-03-25 16:21:28
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On 03/25/2013 12:00 PM, Harald Oehlmann wrote: > The issue does not arise for zip archives. For me, this is ok. > The final release has zip files which work fine. For RC files, one > should untar on unix. I placed zip archives on the ftp site. Is anything wrong with them? -- | Don Porter Applied and Computational Mathematics Division | | don...@ni... Information Technology Laboratory | | http://math.nist.gov/~DPorter/ NIST | |______________________________________________________________________| |
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From: Harald O. <har...@el...> - 2013-03-25 16:40:43
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Am 25.03.2013 17:21, schrieb Donald G Porter: > On 03/25/2013 12:00 PM, Harald Oehlmann wrote: >> The issue does not arise for zip archives. For me, this is ok. >> The final release has zip files which work fine. For RC files, one >> should untar on unix. > > I placed zip archives on the ftp site. Is anything wrong with them? All zip files are ok. I have just overlooked them. Sorry, Harald |
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From: Griffin, B. <bri...@me...> - 2013-03-25 19:01:27
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On Mar 25, 2013, at 8:29 AM, "Griffin, Brian" <bri...@me...> wrote: > On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:17 AM, Donald G Porter <don...@ni...> wrote: > >> >> RC0 release candidates for Tcl and Tk 8.5.14 are now posted at >> >> ftp://ftp.tcl.tk/pub/tcl/tcl8_5/ >> >> I'm looking for any regressions compared with the 8.5.13 releases, or >> any serious bugs with fixes pending on the scale of days. Report any >> troubles you find, and if any match that description we'll hold the >> release until we can examine them. Otherwise, this RC0 will become the >> release. Wednesday if possible (and noone here requests a delay), or >> soon after. > > I am currently investigating a serious problem with Tk/unix (potentially). All I know at this point is that our Tk application causes a remote window manager to crash. The Tk application is running on a machine running linux. The X server is running on a sun blade, Java Desktop, metacity window manager. Only the window manager is affected. Replacing metacity with twm, twm does not crash. The Tk application does not crash. Both Tk 8.5.8 and Tk 8.5.13 exhibit the same behavior, Tk8.4.14 does not (i.e. works fine). At this point I cannot say if it's Tk, or something specific to the application that is causing the crash, but anything and everything the application (potentially) does to the window manager is done via Tk. > > Right now there is nothing actionable that would warrant holding up the 8.5.14 release. But if I do find a Tk bug, it's likely a patch would be needed forthwith. > > This is going to be nasty to track down. Reproducible with wish: package require Img image create photo file icon.png wm iconphoto . image1 Still investigating. -Brian |
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From: Porter, D. <don...@ni...> - 2013-03-25 19:53:47
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| Reproducible with wish: | | package require Img | image create photo file icon.png | wm iconphoto . image1 Any particular release of Img ? DGP |
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From: Griffin, B. <bri...@me...> - 2013-03-25 19:59:27
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On Mar 25, 2013, at 12:52 PM, "Porter, Don" <don...@ni...> wrote: > > | Reproducible with wish: > | > | package require Img > | image create photo file icon.png > | wm iconphoto . image1 > > Any particular release of Img ? I don't think Img is part of the equation because it happens with .gif images also. I'm about to test this theory, but the machine is in another building, so I have to take a short walk... It might be a 64-bit OS issue. The linux side is x86_64. -Brian |
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From: Griffin, B. <bri...@me...> - 2013-03-25 20:03:40
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I forgot one other point, I'm using the same Img package bits for 8.4 and 8.5. It's ver 1.3. -Brian (from mobile device) On Mar 25, 2013, at 12:59, "Griffin, Brian" <bri...@me...> wrote: > On Mar 25, 2013, at 12:52 PM, "Porter, Don" <don...@ni...> wrote: > >> >> | Reproducible with wish: >> | >> | package require Img >> | image create photo file icon.png >> | wm iconphoto . image1 >> >> Any particular release of Img ? > > I don't think Img is part of the equation because it happens with .gif images also. I'm about to test this theory, but the machine is in another building, so I have to take a short walk... > > It might be a 64-bit OS issue. The linux side is x86_64. > > -Brian > |
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From: Griffin, B. <bri...@me...> - 2013-03-26 17:46:03
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On Mar 25, 2013, at 1:03 PM, "Griffin, Brian" <bri...@me...> wrote:
> I forgot one other point, I'm using the same Img package bits for 8.4 and 8.5. It's ver 1.3.
>
> -Brian
> (from mobile device)
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> On Mar 25, 2013, at 12:59, "Griffin, Brian" <bri...@me...> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 25, 2013, at 12:52 PM, "Porter, Don" <don...@ni...> wrote:
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>>>
>>> | Reproducible with wish:
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>>> | package require Img
>>> | image create photo file icon.png
>>> | wm iconphoto . image1
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>>> Any particular release of Img ?
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>> I don't think Img is part of the equation because it happens with .gif images also. I'm about to test this theory, but the machine is in another building, so I have to take a short walk...
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>> It might be a 64-bit OS issue. The linux side is x86_64.
I believe I've gotten to the bottom of this. It turns out the problem is in 8.5.8 and *not* in 8.5.13. It looks like this is the problem and the fix:
wm iconphoto broken in 8.5.8 64 bit linux - ID: 2902814
What comes across as a non-functioning icon in Linux, ends up trashing the Xsun X server and metacity window manager. Quite a challenge here with a 64-bit little endian client side and a 32-bit big endian server side...
Sorry for the fire drill.
-Brian
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From: Griffin, B. <bri...@me...> - 2013-03-26 20:46:53
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On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:17 AM, Donald G Porter <don...@ni...> wrote: > > RC0 release candidates for Tcl and Tk 8.5.14 are now posted at > > ftp://ftp.tcl.tk/pub/tcl/tcl8_5/ > > I'm looking for any regressions compared with the 8.5.13 releases, or > any serious bugs with fixes pending on the scale of days. Report any > troubles you find, and if any match that description we'll hold the > release until we can examine them. Otherwise, this RC0 will become the > release. Wednesday if possible (and noone here requests a delay), or > soon after. Should Tk bug 3607830 be fixed in this release? I posted a patch in the bug report. -Brian |
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From: Porter, D. <don...@ni...> - 2013-03-26 21:14:56
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Is that different from 3599928 ? Tk maintainers help me out here. Is everything in that needs to be in? DGP ________________________________________ From: Griffin, Brian [bri...@me...] Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 4:46 PM To: Porter, Don Cc: Tcl List Core Subject: Re: [TCLCORE] Tcl/Tk 8.5.14 Release Candidates On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:17 AM, Donald G Porter <don...@ni...> wrote: > > RC0 release candidates for Tcl and Tk 8.5.14 are now posted at > > ftp://ftp.tcl.tk/pub/tcl/tcl8_5/ > > I'm looking for any regressions compared with the 8.5.13 releases, or > any serious bugs with fixes pending on the scale of days. Report any > troubles you find, and if any match that description we'll hold the > release until we can examine them. Otherwise, this RC0 will become the > release. Wednesday if possible (and noone here requests a delay), or > soon after. Should Tk bug 3607830 be fixed in this release? I posted a patch in the bug report. -Brian |
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From: Griffin, B. <bri...@me...> - 2013-03-26 21:25:51
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Same code, different problem. 3599928 -- XKEYBOARD not available locally, on the build machine, at build time 3607830 -- XKEYBOARD not available remotely, on the server machine, at run time. Both are important, IMHO. -Brian On Mar 26, 2013, at 2:14 PM, "Porter, Don" <don...@ni...> wrote: > > Is that different from 3599928 ? Tk maintainers help me out here. > Is everything in that needs to be in? > > DGP > > ________________________________________ > From: Griffin, Brian [bri...@me...] > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 4:46 PM > To: Porter, Don > Cc: Tcl List Core > Subject: Re: [TCLCORE] Tcl/Tk 8.5.14 Release Candidates > > On Mar 25, 2013, at 6:17 AM, Donald G Porter <don...@ni...> wrote: > >> >> RC0 release candidates for Tcl and Tk 8.5.14 are now posted at >> >> ftp://ftp.tcl.tk/pub/tcl/tcl8_5/ >> >> I'm looking for any regressions compared with the 8.5.13 releases, or >> any serious bugs with fixes pending on the scale of days. Report any >> troubles you find, and if any match that description we'll hold the >> release until we can examine them. Otherwise, this RC0 will become the >> release. Wednesday if possible (and noone here requests a delay), or >> soon after. > > Should Tk bug 3607830 be fixed in this release? I posted a patch in the bug report. > > -Brian > > |
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From: Donald G P. <don...@ni...> - 2013-03-27 12:08:01
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On 03/26/2013 05:25 PM, Griffin, Brian wrote: > Same code, different problem. > > 3599928 -- XKEYBOARD not available locally, on the build machine, at build time > > 3607830 -- XKEYBOARD not available remotely, on the server machine, at run time. > > Both are important, IMHO. I raised the priority to 9. The ticket is assigned to "stwo". Are we expecting him to review it? Or should we seek someone else to do so? Or are you happy to commit your patch as is? -- | Don Porter Applied and Computational Mathematics Division | | don...@ni... Information Technology Laboratory | | http://math.nist.gov/~DPorter/ NIST | |______________________________________________________________________| |
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From: Griffin, B. <bri...@me...> - 2013-03-27 12:44:43
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My only minor concern is that the patch puts back the code that was reported originally as deprecated. It's my belief that that warning is misguided, but it would be good to have "stwo" or others comment on that point. -Brian (from mobile device) On Mar 27, 2013, at 5:07, "Donald G Porter" <don...@ni...> wrote: > On 03/26/2013 05:25 PM, Griffin, Brian wrote: >> Same code, different problem. >> >> 3599928 -- XKEYBOARD not available locally, on the build machine, at build time >> >> 3607830 -- XKEYBOARD not available remotely, on the server machine, at run time. >> >> Both are important, IMHO. > > I raised the priority to 9. The ticket is assigned to "stwo". Are > we expecting him to review it? Or should we seek someone else to do so? > Or are you happy to commit your patch as is? > > -- > | Don Porter Applied and Computational Mathematics Division | > | don...@ni... Information Technology Laboratory | > | http://math.nist.gov/~DPorter/ NIST | > |______________________________________________________________________| |
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From: Donald G P. <don...@ni...> - 2013-08-30 18:45:01
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RC0 release candidates for Tcl and Tk 8.5.15 are now posted at
ftp://ftp.tcl.tk/pub/tcl/tcl8_5/
I'm looking for any regressions compared with the 8.5.14 releases, or
any serious bugs with fixes pending on the scale of days. Report any
troubles you find, and if any match that description we'll hold the
release until we can examine them.
Otherwise, as marked in the changes file, I'll plan to make these files
the 8.5.15 releases on September 16.
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| Don Porter Applied and Computational Mathematics Division |
| don...@ni... Information Technology Laboratory |
| http://math.nist.gov/~DPorter/ NIST |
|______________________________________________________________________|
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From: Harald O. <har...@el...> - 2013-09-02 10:19:15
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Am 30.08.2013 20:44, schrieb Donald G Porter: > > RC0 release candidates for Tcl and Tk 8.5.15 are now posted at > > ftp://ftp.tcl.tk/pub/tcl/tcl8_5/ > > I'm looking for any regressions compared with the 8.5.14 releases, or > any serious bugs with fixes pending on the scale of days. Report any > troubles you find, and if any match that description we'll hold the > release until we can examine them. > > Otherwise, as marked in the changes file, I'll plan to make these files > the 8.5.15 releases on September 16. > Donald, thank you for the rc files. I have tested them on Win Vista 32 bit vc6/sdk2003sp1 and compared the results to 8.5.14. - all test failures in 8.5.14 are also in 8.5.15 - there are some new tests - the following tests are failing in addition. The translation of the included windows error message: "Der Vorgang wurde erfolgreich beendet" means "The process was successfully processed" ==== winClipboard-1.2 TkSelGetSelection FAILED ==== Contents of test case: clipboard clear clipboard append {} catch {selection get -selection CLIPBOARD} r1 catch {testclipboard} r2 list $r1 $r2 ---- Result was: {} {couldn't open clipboard: Der Vorgang wurde erfolgreich beendet.} ---- Result should have been (exact matching): {} {} ==== winClipboard-1.2 FAILED ---- winClipboard-1.3 start ---- winClipboard-1.4 start ==== winClipboard-1.4 TkSelGetSelection & TkWinClipboardRender FAILED ==== Contents of test case: clipboard clear clipboard append "line 1\nline 2" catch {selection get -selection CLIPBOARD} r1 catch {testclipboard} r2 list $r1 $r2 ---- Result was: {line 1 line 2} {couldn't open clipboard: Der Vorgang wurde erfolgreich beendet.} ---- Result should have been (exact matching): {line 1 line 2} {line 1 line 2} ==== winClipboard-1.4 FAILED ---- winClipboard-1.5 start ==== winClipboard-1.5 TkSelGetSelection & TkWinClipboardRender FAILED ==== Contents of test case: clipboard clear clipboard append "line 1\u00c7\nline 2" catch {selection get -selection CLIPBOARD} r1 catch {testclipboard} r2 list $r1 $r2 ---- Result was: {line 1Ç line 2} {couldn't open clipboard: Der Vorgang wurde erfolgreich beendet.} ---- Result should have been (exact matching): {line 1Ç line 2} {line 1Ç line 2} ==== winClipboard-1.5 FAILED ---- winClipboard-2.1 start ---- winClipboard-2.2 start ==== winClipboard-2.2 TkSelUpdateClipboard reentrancy problem FAILED ==== Contents of test case: clipboard clear clipboard append -type OUR_ACTION "new data" clipboard append "more data in string" update catch {testclipboard} r1 catch {selection get -selection CLIPBOARD -type OUR_ACTION} r2 list $r1 $r2 ---- Result was: {couldn't open clipboard: Der Vorgang wurde erfolgreich beendet.} {new data} ---- Result should have been (exact matching): {more data in string} {new data} ==== winClipboard-2.2 FAILED I also tested the Rivet issue on Centos 64 bit - this is ok. Thank you all, Harald |
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From: Donald G P. <don...@ni...> - 2013-09-02 16:52:32
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Can anyone isolate the cause of these winClipboard.test regressions?
On 09/02/2013 06:05 AM, Harald Oehlmann wrote:
> I have tested them on Win Vista 32 bit vc6/sdk2003sp1 and compared the
> results to 8.5.14.
> ==== winClipboard-1.2 TkSelGetSelection FAILED
> ---- Result was:
> {} {couldn't open clipboard: Der Vorgang wurde erfolgreich beendet.}
> ---- Result should have been (exact matching):
> {} {}
> ==== winClipboard-1.2 FAILED
> ==== winClipboard-1.4 TkSelGetSelection & TkWinClipboardRender FAILED
> ---- Result was:
> {line 1
> line 2} {couldn't open clipboard: Der Vorgang wurde erfolgreich beendet.}
> ---- Result should have been (exact matching):
> {line 1
> line 2} {line 1
>
> line 2}
> ==== winClipboard-1.4 FAILED
> ==== winClipboard-1.5 TkSelGetSelection & TkWinClipboardRender FAILED
> ---- Result was:
> {line 1Ç
> line 2} {couldn't open clipboard: Der Vorgang wurde erfolgreich beendet.}
> ---- Result should have been (exact matching):
> {line 1Ç
> line 2} {line 1Ç
>
> line 2}
> ==== winClipboard-1.5 FAILED
> ==== winClipboard-2.2 TkSelUpdateClipboard reentrancy problem FAILED
> ---- Result was:
> {couldn't open clipboard: Der Vorgang wurde erfolgreich beendet.} {new data}
> ---- Result should have been (exact matching):
> {more data in string} {new data}
> ==== winClipboard-2.2 FAILED
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From: Harald O. <har...@el...> - 2013-09-02 17:44:32
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Donald,
I have retried it (with -file winClipboard and with a "make clean and
total test run) and the test failures did not show up again.
I will remove the whole folder and build again to have same
circumstances again.
Sorry,
Harald
Am 02.09.2013 18:52, schrieb Donald G Porter:
>
> Can anyone isolate the cause of these winClipboard.test regressions?
>
> On 09/02/2013 06:05 AM, Harald Oehlmann wrote:
>> I have tested them on Win Vista 32 bit vc6/sdk2003sp1 and compared the
>> results to 8.5.14.
>
>> ==== winClipboard-1.2 TkSelGetSelection FAILED
>> ---- Result was:
>> {} {couldn't open clipboard: Der Vorgang wurde erfolgreich beendet.}
>> ---- Result should have been (exact matching):
>> {} {}
>> ==== winClipboard-1.2 FAILED
>
>> ==== winClipboard-1.4 TkSelGetSelection & TkWinClipboardRender FAILED
>> ---- Result was:
>> {line 1
>> line 2} {couldn't open clipboard: Der Vorgang wurde erfolgreich beendet.}
>> ---- Result should have been (exact matching):
>> {line 1
>> line 2} {line 1
>>
>> line 2}
>> ==== winClipboard-1.4 FAILED
>
>> ==== winClipboard-1.5 TkSelGetSelection & TkWinClipboardRender FAILED
>> ---- Result was:
>> {line 1Ç
>> line 2} {couldn't open clipboard: Der Vorgang wurde erfolgreich beendet.}
>> ---- Result should have been (exact matching):
>> {line 1Ç
>> line 2} {line 1Ç
>>
>> line 2}
>> ==== winClipboard-1.5 FAILED
>
>> ==== winClipboard-2.2 TkSelUpdateClipboard reentrancy problem FAILED
>> ---- Result was:
>> {couldn't open clipboard: Der Vorgang wurde erfolgreich beendet.} {new
>> data}
>> ---- Result should have been (exact matching):
>> {more data in string} {new data}
>> ==== winClipboard-2.2 FAILED
>
>
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From: Pietro C. <ga...@ga...> - 2013-09-03 12:51:09
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On 2013-Aug-30, 14:44, Donald G Porter wrote: > > RC0 release candidates for Tcl and Tk 8.5.15 are now posted at > > ftp://ftp.tcl.tk/pub/tcl/tcl8_5/ > > I'm looking for any regressions compared with the 8.5.14 releases, or > any serious bugs with fixes pending on the scale of days. Report any > troubles you find, and if any match that description we'll hold the > release until we can examine them. All good on FreeBSD. Thank you! -- Pietro Cerutti ga...@ga... PGP Public Key: http://gahr.ch/pgp |
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From: Donald G P. <don...@ni...> - 2014-07-23 13:42:25
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RC0 release candidates for Tcl and Tk 8.5.16 are now posted at
ftp://ftp.tcl.tk/pub/tcl/tcl8_5/
These will not be the releases. At a minimum there are changes file
and release notes tasks left to complete.
It's been 10 months since the 8.5.15 releases. There are many bug
fixes and other changes here. It is (past) time to get them out.
I'm asking everyone to run these RCs through your Tcl/Tk usages, seeking
out any regressions that might justify blocking the releases. Also,
now is the time to speak up if you believe there are known bugs awaiting
fixes that ought to block this release.
Thanks for your help.
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| Don Porter Applied and Computational Mathematics Division |
| don...@ni... Information Technology Laboratory |
| http://math.nist.gov/~DPorter/ NIST |
|______________________________________________________________________|
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From: Kevin W. <kw...@co...> - 2014-07-24 02:36:29
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Don, On 7/23/14, 9:42 AM, Donald G Porter wrote: > > I'm asking everyone to run these RCs through your Tcl/Tk usages, seeking > out any regressions that might justify blocking the releases. Also, > now is the time to speak up if you believe there are known bugs awaiting > fixes that ought to block this release. I just committed a patch from Marc Culler to fix to a text scrolling issue on OS X with images; can you make sure that fix makes it into the 8.5.16 release? (Fix committed on trunk and core-8-5-branch.) Thanks, Kevin -- Kevin Walzer Code by Kevin/Mobile Code by Kevin http://www.codebykevin.com http://www.wtmobilesoftware.com |
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From: Porter, D. <don...@ni...> - 2016-01-26 19:21:32
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RC0 release candidates for Tcl and Tk 8.5.19 are now posted at
https://sourceforge.net/projects/tcl/files/Tcl/8.5.19/
If I get the capability again, I'll also upload them to
ftp://ftp.tcl.tk/pub/tcl/tcl8_5/
(Are there people accustomed to fetching the sources there?
Does it matter to anyone that they are not there now? If no one
uses this, it will reduce the amount I worry about it.)
The release still needs release notes.
The loose target release date is January 31. The last 8.5
patch releases were last March. We're/I'm quite overdue.
Let me know what troubles you have with these files that need
correcting.
Thanks for your help.
DGP
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