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From: Youness A. <kak...@ka...> - 2009-05-17 22:21:48
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On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 06:12:25PM -0400, Kevin Walzer wrote: > Larry McVoy wrote: > > > > > What I'm not happy about is dropping 10.4 support. 10.4 is still an > > actively supported release, it was a good release, and as a vendor it > > is not my place to tell people to get off a platform before the platform > > is end of lifed. > > Apple's general practice is to support the current and immediately > preceding OS. Last week I downloaded my 10.5.7 update, and I also > downloaded a bunch of security updates for my installation of 10.4 OS X > Server. Once 10.6 is released, 10.4 will no longer receive security > updates if Apple follows its traditional practice and it will be an > unsupported OS. > > -- > Kevin Walzer > Code by Kevin > http://www.codebykevin.com > But does Apple dropping support for a platform mean that everyone else should drop support for it ? Microsoft dropped support for windows 95 so long ago, but people are still using it, and we, as software developers should still give support to those people who want to keep using an unsupported platform... That's my 2c, KaKaRoTo |
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From: <lm...@bi...> - 2009-05-17 22:24:48
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On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 06:21:10PM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote: > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 06:12:25PM -0400, Kevin Walzer wrote: > > Larry McVoy wrote: > > > > > > > > What I'm not happy about is dropping 10.4 support. 10.4 is still an > > > actively supported release, it was a good release, and as a vendor it > > > is not my place to tell people to get off a platform before the platform > > > is end of lifed. > > > > Apple's general practice is to support the current and immediately > > preceding OS. Last week I downloaded my 10.5.7 update, and I also > > downloaded a bunch of security updates for my installation of 10.4 OS X > > Server. Once 10.6 is released, 10.4 will no longer receive security > > updates if Apple follows its traditional practice and it will be an > > unsupported OS. > > > > -- > > Kevin Walzer > > Code by Kevin > > http://www.codebykevin.com > > > > But does Apple dropping support for a platform mean that > everyone else should drop support for it ? Microsoft dropped > support for windows 95 so long ago, but people are still > using it, and we, as software developers should still give > support to those people who want to keep using an > unsupported platform... Indeed. I know people like to use the latest and greatest but I have to deal with enterprise customers who tend to skip a release or 2 when they get on one that works. 10.4 works. -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitkeeper.com |
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From: Kevin W. <kw...@co...> - 2009-05-17 22:41:03
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Youness Alaoui wrote: > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 06:12:25PM -0400, Kevin Walzer wrote: > > But does Apple dropping support for a platform mean that > everyone else should drop support for it ? Microsoft dropped > support for windows 95 so long ago, but people are still > using it, and we, as software developers should still give > support to those people who want to keep using an > unsupported platform... Well, of course you have a point, and if maintaining two builds of your app is the way to support older platforms, then that's a sensible decision. -- Kevin Walzer Code by Kevin http://www.codebykevin.com |
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From: Daniel A. S. <da...@us...> - 2009-06-29 17:42:37
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On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 10:43, Daniel A. Steffen<da...@us...> wrote: > The Cocoa port has now been feature complete for about a month and I > believe is of equal or better quality than the existing TkAqua > implementation, it has been built, tested and is already being used > successfully by various parties, and IMO is now ready to be merged > into the Tk mainline. the TkAqua Cocoa merge has now been committed http://fisheye.categorifiedcoder.info/changelog/Tk?cs=MAIN:das:20090629143501 sorry for the delay, it took longer than expected to find time for the buildsystem modifications needed to make the legacy implementation a configure option: indeed, given the reactions to my initial plan to drop pre-10.5 support completely, I have now preserved the legacy tk/macosx codebase in the new tk/carbon directory. The --enable-aqua Tk configure flag turns on the new Cocoa implementation by default, use --enable-aqua=carbon to fallback to the Carbon implementation. As announced previously, I will however not continue to maintain the Carbon code on HEAD (except possibly for parallel application of Tk 8.5 bugfixes), I have included the warning below in the tk/carbon/README to make this explicit (if a new maintainer for this code were to step forward, they can of course amend that statement as they see fit). Cheers, Daniel -- ** Daniel A. Steffen ** ** <mailto:da...@us...> ** Tcl/TkAqua Carbon Mac OS X README --------------------------------- RCS: @(#) $Id: README,v 1.1 2009/06/26 01:42:46 das Exp $ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! This is the README for tk/carbon, the legacy version of TkAqua based on the ! ! Carbon API. This version of TkAqua is deprecated and no longer actively ! ! supported, it will be removed in a future release of Tk. It is only useful ! ! for users requiring support of Mac OS X releases older than 10.5. ! ! The supported version of TkAqua is located in tk/macosx and is based on the ! ! Cocoa API. It requires Mac OS X 10.5 or later. ! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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From: <lm...@bi...> - 2009-06-29 18:17:19
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As one of the loudest complainers about the compat issue, my heartfelt thanks. If santa needs to bring you a new laptop (or whatever), his email is lm...@bi.... On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 07:10:34PM +0200, Daniel A. Steffen wrote: > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 10:43, Daniel A. > Steffen<da...@us...> wrote: > > The Cocoa port has now been feature complete for about a month and I > > believe is of equal or better quality than the existing TkAqua > > implementation, it has been built, tested and is already being used > > successfully by various parties, and IMO is now ready to be merged > > into the Tk mainline. > > the TkAqua Cocoa merge has now been committed > > http://fisheye.categorifiedcoder.info/changelog/Tk?cs=MAIN:das:20090629143501 > > sorry for the delay, it took longer than expected to find time for the > buildsystem modifications needed to make the legacy implementation a > configure option: indeed, given the reactions to my initial plan to > drop pre-10.5 support completely, I have now preserved the legacy > tk/macosx codebase in the new tk/carbon directory. The --enable-aqua > Tk configure flag turns on the new Cocoa implementation by default, > use --enable-aqua=carbon to fallback to the Carbon implementation. > > As announced previously, I will however not continue to maintain the > Carbon code on HEAD (except possibly for parallel application of Tk > 8.5 bugfixes), I have included the warning below in the > tk/carbon/README to make this explicit (if a new maintainer for this > code were to step forward, they can of course amend that statement as > they see fit). > > Cheers, > > Daniel > > -- > ** Daniel A. Steffen ** > ** <mailto:da...@us...> ** > > > Tcl/TkAqua Carbon Mac OS X README > --------------------------------- > > RCS: @(#) $Id: README,v 1.1 2009/06/26 01:42:46 das Exp $ > > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > ! This is the README for tk/carbon, the legacy version of TkAqua based on the ! > ! Carbon API. This version of TkAqua is deprecated and no longer actively ! > ! supported, it will be removed in a future release of Tk. It is only useful ! > ! for users requiring support of Mac OS X releases older than 10.5. ! > ! The supported version of TkAqua is located in tk/macosx and is based on the ! > ! Cocoa API. It requires Mac OS X 10.5 or later. ! > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Tcl-Core mailing list > Tcl...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tcl-core -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitkeeper.com |
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From: Kevin W. <kw...@co...> - 2009-06-30 01:19:35
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Daniel A. Steffen wrote: > > the TkAqua Cocoa merge has now been committed > > http://fisheye.categorifiedcoder.info/changelog/Tk?cs=MAIN:das:20090629143501 > Bravo, Daniel. Thanks for your superb work. -- Kevin Walzer Code by Kevin http://www.codebykevin.com |
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From: Tim J. <tj...@to...> - 2009-06-29 20:46:05
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On Jun 29, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Russell E. Owen wrote: > Thank you very much for writing the Cocoa port. Agreed! > Thank you also for providing 10.4 backwards compatibility via > making the old Carbon code accessible. (I can't make my code 10.5- > only yet, but look forward to the day that I can.) That seems like > an excellent solution to a tricky problem. With any luck Snow > Leopard will encourage more folks to upgrade past 10.4 (as an an > inexpensive upgrade that is primarily performance enhancements and > bug fixes). Unfortunately, it's only cheap if upgrading from Leopard. It's full price for Tiger or Panther users :-(. Tim |
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