From: Harald O. <har...@el...> - 2024-10-14 14:48:30
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Dear TCL/Tk community, thanks to Don and team for the great release of TCL/Tk9.0.0. This is awesome! We all need a breath after this 7 years process. --- May I propose a meeting to discuss the next steps ? What about Monday 28th of October 12:00 UTC for one hour? Many regions will have stopped daytime saving time then. My personal agenda is: - what is the next version of TCL/Tk for: - non breaking bugfix style TIPs (like the two most recent ones) (10.1 ?) - innovative TIPs (10.1a0 ?) - breaking TIPs (11.0a0 ?) - what are the possible innovations? - factor out the image command from Tk - list image formats By the way, the conference 2025 may be in Italy... Thank you for all, Harald |
From: <apn...@ya...> - 2024-10-17 08:37:07
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I agree it would be a good idea to have this discussion. I am ok with that timing. -----Original Message----- From: Harald Oehlmann <har...@el...> May I propose a meeting to discuss the next steps ? What about Monday 28th of October 12:00 UTC for one hour? Many regions will have stopped daytime saving time then. My personal agenda is: - what is the next version of TCL/Tk for: - non breaking bugfix style TIPs (like the two most recent ones) (10.1 ?) - innovative TIPs (10.1a0 ?) - breaking TIPs (11.0a0 ?) - what are the possible innovations? - factor out the image command from Tk - list image formats By the way, the conference 2025 may be in Italy... Thank you for all, Harald |
From: Kevin W. <kw...@co...> - 2024-10-17 14:45:31
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<div><img width="1" height="1" src='https://fedbdhd.r.bh.d.sendibt3.com/tr/op/jp_zjnAuTeGDSqcgb1mIc2GuzdRKqg_0wmDmvZTQQC5bKbRPPBrxabySqU08k-QDky4j0MwsAYWqWW24eQRJY2dXDMZipQRTdYCjKxDkdMENP6YeaKHRgXhZ_SamliHYli2RUYOMG4Cl-HXWCSq-P3K-fOgiyJfsuV8KbiAfSlQZWE-rHaGO_LGqu12SQ6VnTSPQebIL7j8aRnjY9Bju5CXNV-s4ydko' /></div>Harald, did you mean 9.1?<br/><br/>> On Oct 17, 2024, at 4:37 AM, apnmbx-public--- via Tcl-Core <tcl...@li...> wrote:<br/>> <br/>> I agree it would be a good idea to have this discussion. I am ok with that timing.<br/>> <br/>> -----Original Message-----<br/>> From: Harald Oehlmann <har...@el...><br/>> <br/>> May I propose a meeting to discuss the next steps ?<br/>> What about Monday 28th of October 12:00 UTC for one hour?<br/>> Many regions will have stopped daytime saving time then.<br/>> <br/>> My personal agenda is:<br/>> - what is the next version of TCL/Tk for:<br/>> - non breaking bugfix style TIPs (like the two most recent ones)<br/>> (10.1 ?)<br/>> - innovative TIPs (10.1a0 ?)<br/>> - breaking TIPs (11.0a0 ?)<br/>> - what are the possible innovations?<br/>> - factor out the image command from Tk<br/>> - list image formats<br/>> <br/>> By the way, the conference 2025 may be in Italy...<br/>> <br/>> Thank you for all,<br/>> Harald<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> <br/>> _______________________________________________<br/>> Tcl-Core mailing list<br/>> Tcl...@li...<br/>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tcl-core<br/> |
From: Marc C. <cul...@gm...> - 2024-10-17 14:36:33
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I have no idea what the item "factor out the image command from Tk" is about, nor why one would want to do that. What is the issue? It seems like something that should be discussed here before it is discussed on zoom, which reaches many fewer people. Also, I don't understand why we would be talking about Tk 10.1 before we have had a single point release of Tk 9. - Marc On Thu, Oct 17, 2024 at 3:37 AM apnmbx-public--- via Tcl-Core < tcl...@li...> wrote: > I agree it would be a good idea to have this discussion. I am ok with that > timing. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Harald Oehlmann <har...@el...> > > May I propose a meeting to discuss the next steps ? > What about Monday 28th of October 12:00 UTC for one hour? > Many regions will have stopped daytime saving time then. > > My personal agenda is: > - what is the next version of TCL/Tk for: > - non breaking bugfix style TIPs (like the two most recent ones) > (10.1 ?) > - innovative TIPs (10.1a0 ?) > - breaking TIPs (11.0a0 ?) > - what are the possible innovations? > - factor out the image command from Tk > - list image formats > > By the way, the conference 2025 may be in Italy... > > Thank you for all, > Harald > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tcl-Core mailing list > Tcl...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tcl-core > |
From: Kevin K. <kev...@gm...> - 2024-10-18 16:06:17
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On Thu, Oct 17, 2024 at 10:36 AM Marc Culler <cul...@gm...> wrote: > I have no idea what the item "factor out the image command from Tk" is > about, nor why one would want to do that. What is the issue? It seems like > something that should be discussed here before it is discussed on zoom, > which reaches many fewer people. > > I have had a number of apps over the years that want to do 'headless' image processing. Either they are sending images to a destination other than a graphical user interface (for example, printing), or they are accepting images from an external source (such as a camera, X-ray, ultrasound, radar, ...) and performing analytics upon them. But at the root, there's still an 'image' object - an array of pixels. Much of what's in the [image] command is dealing with file formats, memory management, and the like, without reference to a GUI. I think that refactoring that portion out and making it available to non-GUI applications could be a significant step forward. Whether now is the time to discuss it (relative to the release schedule) is a question that I'll leave to others. -- 73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin |
From: Harald O. <har...@el...> - 2024-10-17 14:45:53
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Hi Marc, thank you for your E-Mail, I appreciate ! Allow me to answer to your questions: Am 17.10.2024 um 16:36 schrieb Marc Culler: > I have no idea what the item "factor out the image command from Tk" is > about, nor why one would want to do that. What is the issue? It seems > like something that should be discussed here before it is discussed on > zoom, which reaches many fewer people. It is just my personal list of items. Other may add items. The point here is, that the image command (from Tk) is also useful if TCL is used without Tk, like in web servers. The purpose is to have a limited image command available in Tk without Tk. > Also, I don't understand why we would be talking about Tk 10.1 before we > have had a single point release of Tk 9. Thank you for your opinion, that is sensible. My point is basically just "whats next?". And what to do with bugfixes/small features/breaking features. It would be great if you could attend. Apparently, Tk has made great steps forward after 9.0.0 release on Mac. How to handle this is part of the question. Thank you for all, Harald |
From: Marc C. <cul...@gm...> - 2024-10-17 15:41:28
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On Thu, Oct 17, 2024 at 9:46 AM Harald Oehlmann <har...@el...> wrote: > It would be great if you could attend. Apparently, Tk has made great > steps forward after 9.0.0 release on Mac. How to handle this is part of > the question. > Thanks, Harald. If you ask me, the great steps forward were included in 9.0.0. (I am talking about replacing drawRect by updateLayer, which was Christopher Chavez's idea.). Since then there has been cleanup, which was known to be needed. - Marc |