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Re: [TCLCORE] Tcl user forum?

[Gustaf N. (sslmail) <ne...@wu...>]

Dear all,

many thanks to the good suggestions!

I’ve put a copy of the newsgroup to the demos of openacs.org

    https://openacs.org/demo/comp.lang.tcl

It seems to work well .... So far, it is read-only, posting is not implemented jet. It is synched all 5 minutes.

All the best
-g

Re: [TCLCORE] zipfs change consolidation

[<apn...@ya...>]

Fixed now. I guess “man -l” does not suffice for reviewing manpages.

 

From: Jan Nijtmans <jan...@gm...> 
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2024 2:20 AM
To: apn...@ya...
Cc: tcl...@li...
Subject: Re: [TCLCORE] zipfs change consolidation

 

Op ma 12 aug 2024 om 11:48 schreef apnmbx-public--- via Tcl-Core <tcl...@li... <mailto:tcl...@li...> >:

All,

 

As documented in multiple tickets (https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcl/rptview/28), the zipfs-related manpages and TIP 430 have multiple inconsistencies with the actual zipfs implementation (and each other!).

 

Torsten has created a branch, https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcl/timeline?r=zipfs-consolidation that resolves these inconsistencies using the actual implementation as the reference. The TIP has been modified accordingly with an addendum.

 

I plan to merge the branch into the trunk in the next couple of days (with Torsten’s permission as he is away on vacation this month).

 

If anyone has objections to the merge, please voice them now else I’ll merge in the next couple of days. The topics have already been discussed in the relevant tickets and changes unanimously agreed to within the group of TCT members involved in the discussion.

 

make html gives:

    zipfs: make-manpage-section: ignoring .\" METHOD: mountdata after .TP

 

Hope this helps,

     Jan Nijtmans

 

Re: [TCLCORE] zipfs change consolidation

[Jan N. <jan...@gm...>]

Op ma 12 aug 2024 om 11:48 schreef apnmbx-public--- via Tcl-Core <
tcl...@li...>:

> All,
>
>
>
> As documented in multiple tickets (
> https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcl/rptview/28), the zipfs-related manpages and
> TIP 430 have multiple inconsistencies with the actual zipfs implementation
> (and each other!).
>
>
>
> Torsten has created a branch,
> https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcl/timeline?r=zipfs-consolidation that
> resolves these inconsistencies using the actual implementation as the
> reference. The TIP has been modified accordingly with an addendum.
>
>
>
> I plan to merge the branch into the trunk in the next couple of days (with
> Torsten’s permission as he is away on vacation this month).
>
>
>
> If anyone has objections to the merge, please voice them now else I’ll
> merge in the next couple of days. The topics have already been discussed in
> the relevant tickets and changes unanimously agreed to within the group of
> TCT members involved in the discussion.
>

make html gives:
    zipfs: make-manpage-section: ignoring .\" METHOD: mountdata after .TP

Hope this helps,
     Jan Nijtmans

Re: [TCLCORE] Tcl user forum?

[Colin M. <col...@ya...>]

Perhaps I should a mention a few other existing forums I know of:

  * There is a Reddit group for Tcl - https://www.reddit.com/r/Tcl/ -
    fairly low traffic.
  * https://lemmy.world/c/tcl - a handful of posts from me, no other
    traffic.
  * https://kbin.social/m/tcl - similar but non-functional at present.
  * There are a couple of Tcl-related groups on LinkedIn - Tcl/Tk
    Community <https://www.linkedin.com/groups/3187249/> and Tcl-Expect
    <https://www.linkedin.com/groups/734207/> - both very low traffic.

Also, when the possible Fossil Forum was being discussed a few months 
ago, I looked into the possibility of bridging this with comp.lang.tcl.  
This would need import/export commands to be added to the fossil forum 
code, but DRH appeared to be willing to do this.

Personally I don't see a great need for a new forum, but if one is 
created I think bridging it with comp.lang.tcl would be highly desirable 
to avoid fragmenting discussions.

Colin.

On 14/08/2024 14:39, Colin Macleod via Tcl-Core wrote:
> On 14/08/2024 14:11, Alexander Schöpe via Tcl-Core wrote:
>> Wasn’t there already a suggestion to switch to Fossil Forum as a replacement for comp.lang.tcl and import everything there?
>
> There was such a suggestion, but it has not happened so far. However 
> comp.lang.tcl is still active and can be accessed on any Usenet server 
> by using an NNTP client.  But Google Groups was convenient because it 
> avoided the complications of using an NNTP client.
>
> I have set up another web interface at 
> https://cmacleod.me.uk/ng/comp.lang.tcl - this is rather crude but I 
> am working (slowly) on improving it. The site supports all non-binary 
> Usenet groups, not just comp.lang.tcl.
>
> Another alternative for web access is 
> https://www.novabbs.com/devel/thread.php?group=comp.lang.tcl.
>
> Colin.
>
>
>
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Re: [TCLCORE] Tcl user forum?

[Marc C. <cul...@gm...>]

I don't think that Google Groups is going away.  Other projects use it for
discussion.  It is just the synchronization with usenet that stopped
working.

I don't think there is any obstacle to creating, say,  a tcl-support Google
Group.

- Marc

On Wed, Aug 14, 2024 at 9:12 AM Patrick May <dus...@gm...>
wrote:

> With google groups going away, I think it's a bit of a problem that the
> main community hub for Tcl is on usenet. Actually, even if google groups
> weren't going away, I think it's still a problem - I think Tcl/Tk is
> suffering from a lack of a properly accessible and usable community
> forum that encourages Tcl users to get together and discuss their
> projects/tips/tricks, and potentially draw new users to the language.
>
> - Usenet is pretty obscure now and isn't very user friendly or welcoming
> in the modern age, and as I understood it, in order to use it, you have
> to pay for service or run a server yourself manually if you don't want
> to pay.
> I was recently looking into usenet just so I could post on comp.lang.tcl
> and after encountering those issues, I eventually just gave up.
>
> - The Tcler's Wiki is pretty good and a lot more accessible, but the
> wiki format is a bit awkward for discussion and the user interface isn't
> really the best. I've posted there a bit.
>
> - I've sometimes seen TkChat mentioned on this mailinglist, I tried it
> once and it failed to run on my linux system, printing an error message
> and exiting immediately. I wasn't able to get it to work.
>
> - There's an IRC channel, but IRC is another old-fashioned thing that's
> not very commonly used these days. But it's at least more accessible
> than usenet.
>
> All this isn't good if we don't want Tcl to fade away into obscurity,
> and if we want to get new users and attention.
> I think it'd be ideal if some sort of new community discussion site were
> to be set up, perhaps some sort of online forum, but I'm not really sure
> what would be best.
>
> - PM
>
> On 14/08/2024 13:25, Gerald Lester wrote:
> > Very few people had access to make an announcement on www.tcl.tk.
> >
> > The Google Groups was just a mirror of the comp.lang.tcl -- so yes, you
> > should use comp.lang.tcl for announcements.
> >
> > On 8/14/24 03:08, Gustaf Neumann (sslmail) wrote:
> >> Dear all.
> >>
> >> What is nowadays the best place for Tcl relevant announcements  (like
> >> [1]), which are not core related)?
> >> The usual place was [2], and it is still announced on [3] that
> >> "comp.lang.tcl remains the best forum for Tcl/Tk discussions” (links
> >> to [2]).
> >> In essence [2] appears to be dead.
> >>
> >> Is it time to go backt to usenet news? Go to twitter/x [4]? Create a
> >> “tcl-user” mailing list? Provide an RSS feed?
> >> Have I missed something?
> >>
> >> The page [3] (and below) should receive an update.
> >>
> >> All the best
> >> -g
> >>
> >> [1] https://openacs.org/forums/message-view?message_id=5831311
> >> [2] https://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.tcl
> >> [3] https://www.tcl.tk/
> >> [4] https://x.com/tcllang
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
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Re: [TCLCORE] [External] Re: Tcl user forum?

[Da S. P. J C. <pet...@fl...>]

Mailing lists or forums are fine, just so long as it’s not Discord.

From: Patrick May <dus...@gm...>
Date: Wednesday, August 14, 2024 at 09:13
To: tcl...@li... <tcl...@li...>
Subject: [External] Re: [TCLCORE] Tcl user forum?
With google groups going away, I think it's a bit of a problem that the
main community hub for Tcl is on usenet. Actually, even if google groups
weren't going away, I think it's still a problem - I think Tcl/Tk is
suffering from a lack of a properly accessible and usable community
forum that encourages Tcl users to get together and discuss their
projects/tips/tricks, and potentially draw new users to the language.

- Usenet is pretty obscure now and isn't very user friendly or welcoming
in the modern age, and as I understood it, in order to use it, you have
to pay for service or run a server yourself manually if you don't want
to pay.
I was recently looking into usenet just so I could post on comp.lang.tcl
and after encountering those issues, I eventually just gave up.

- The Tcler's Wiki is pretty good and a lot more accessible, but the
wiki format is a bit awkward for discussion and the user interface isn't
really the best. I've posted there a bit.

- I've sometimes seen TkChat mentioned on this mailinglist, I tried it
once and it failed to run on my linux system, printing an error message
and exiting immediately. I wasn't able to get it to work.

- There's an IRC channel, but IRC is another old-fashioned thing that's
not very commonly used these days. But it's at least more accessible
than usenet.

All this isn't good if we don't want Tcl to fade away into obscurity,
and if we want to get new users and attention.
I think it'd be ideal if some sort of new community discussion site were
to be set up, perhaps some sort of online forum, but I'm not really sure
what would be best.

- PM

On 14/08/2024 13:25, Gerald Lester wrote:
> Very few people had access to make an announcement on https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tcl.tk__;!!MvWE!AAUsNcQ9m-HC36g_r6namX6twHNtrudHZAcdsgmSMhOD4fxhUgqUUOksYcnWsma3bvpcwahhrNHtIhXYPQ4hNOI7Smf-NALcIQ$<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.tcl.tk__;!!MvWE!AAUsNcQ9m-HC36g_r6namX6twHNtrudHZAcdsgmSMhOD4fxhUgqUUOksYcnWsma3bvpcwahhrNHtIhXYPQ4hNOI7Smf-NALcIQ$> .
>
> The Google Groups was just a mirror of the comp.lang.tcl -- so yes, you
> should use comp.lang.tcl for announcements.
>
> On 8/14/24 03:08, Gustaf Neumann (sslmail) wrote:
>> Dear all.
>>
>> What is nowadays the best place for Tcl relevant announcements  (like
>> [1]), which are not core related)?
>> The usual place was [2], and it is still announced on [3] that
>> "comp.lang.tcl remains the best forum for Tcl/Tk discussions” (links
>> to [2]).
>> In essence [2] appears to be dead.
>>
>> Is it time to go backt to usenet news? Go to twitter/x [4]? Create a
>> “tcl-user” mailing list? Provide an RSS feed?
>> Have I missed something?
>>
>> The page [3] (and below) should receive an update.
>>
>> All the best
>> -g
>>
>> [1] https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://openacs.org/forums/message-view?message_id=5831311__;!!MvWE!AAUsNcQ9m-HC36g_r6namX6twHNtrudHZAcdsgmSMhOD4fxhUgqUUOksYcnWsma3bvpcwahhrNHtIhXYPQ4hNOI7SmeKvoDDKA$<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/openacs.org/forums/message-view?message_id=5831311__;!!MvWE!AAUsNcQ9m-HC36g_r6namX6twHNtrudHZAcdsgmSMhOD4fxhUgqUUOksYcnWsma3bvpcwahhrNHtIhXYPQ4hNOI7SmeKvoDDKA$>
>> [2] https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.tcl__;!!MvWE!AAUsNcQ9m-HC36g_r6namX6twHNtrudHZAcdsgmSMhOD4fxhUgqUUOksYcnWsma3bvpcwahhrNHtIhXYPQ4hNOI7SmcJxRw3DQ$<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.tcl__;!!MvWE!AAUsNcQ9m-HC36g_r6namX6twHNtrudHZAcdsgmSMhOD4fxhUgqUUOksYcnWsma3bvpcwahhrNHtIhXYPQ4hNOI7SmcJxRw3DQ$>
>> [3] https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.tcl.tk/__;!!MvWE!AAUsNcQ9m-HC36g_r6namX6twHNtrudHZAcdsgmSMhOD4fxhUgqUUOksYcnWsma3bvpcwahhrNHtIhXYPQ4hNOI7SmePH1N0Sg$<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.tcl.tk/__;!!MvWE!AAUsNcQ9m-HC36g_r6namX6twHNtrudHZAcdsgmSMhOD4fxhUgqUUOksYcnWsma3bvpcwahhrNHtIhXYPQ4hNOI7SmePH1N0Sg$>
>> [4] https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://x.com/tcllang__;!!MvWE!AAUsNcQ9m-HC36g_r6namX6twHNtrudHZAcdsgmSMhOD4fxhUgqUUOksYcnWsma3bvpcwahhrNHtIhXYPQ4hNOI7SmfuRfIjAw$<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/x.com/tcllang__;!!MvWE!AAUsNcQ9m-HC36g_r6namX6twHNtrudHZAcdsgmSMhOD4fxhUgqUUOksYcnWsma3bvpcwahhrNHtIhXYPQ4hNOI7SmfuRfIjAw$>
>>
>>
>>


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Re: [TCLCORE] Tcl user forum?

[Patrick M. <dus...@gm...>]

With google groups going away, I think it's a bit of a problem that the 
main community hub for Tcl is on usenet. Actually, even if google groups 
weren't going away, I think it's still a problem - I think Tcl/Tk is 
suffering from a lack of a properly accessible and usable community 
forum that encourages Tcl users to get together and discuss their 
projects/tips/tricks, and potentially draw new users to the language.

- Usenet is pretty obscure now and isn't very user friendly or welcoming 
in the modern age, and as I understood it, in order to use it, you have 
to pay for service or run a server yourself manually if you don't want 
to pay.
I was recently looking into usenet just so I could post on comp.lang.tcl 
and after encountering those issues, I eventually just gave up.

- The Tcler's Wiki is pretty good and a lot more accessible, but the 
wiki format is a bit awkward for discussion and the user interface isn't 
really the best. I've posted there a bit.

- I've sometimes seen TkChat mentioned on this mailinglist, I tried it 
once and it failed to run on my linux system, printing an error message 
and exiting immediately. I wasn't able to get it to work.

- There's an IRC channel, but IRC is another old-fashioned thing that's 
not very commonly used these days. But it's at least more accessible 
than usenet.

All this isn't good if we don't want Tcl to fade away into obscurity, 
and if we want to get new users and attention.
I think it'd be ideal if some sort of new community discussion site were 
to be set up, perhaps some sort of online forum, but I'm not really sure 
what would be best.

- PM

On 14/08/2024 13:25, Gerald Lester wrote:
> Very few people had access to make an announcement on www.tcl.tk.
> 
> The Google Groups was just a mirror of the comp.lang.tcl -- so yes, you 
> should use comp.lang.tcl for announcements.
> 
> On 8/14/24 03:08, Gustaf Neumann (sslmail) wrote:
>> Dear all.
>>
>> What is nowadays the best place for Tcl relevant announcements  (like 
>> [1]), which are not core related)?
>> The usual place was [2], and it is still announced on [3] that 
>> "comp.lang.tcl remains the best forum for Tcl/Tk discussions” (links 
>> to [2]).
>> In essence [2] appears to be dead.
>>
>> Is it time to go backt to usenet news? Go to twitter/x [4]? Create a 
>> “tcl-user” mailing list? Provide an RSS feed?
>> Have I missed something?
>>
>> The page [3] (and below) should receive an update.
>>
>> All the best
>> -g
>>
>> [1] https://openacs.org/forums/message-view?message_id=5831311
>> [2] https://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.tcl
>> [3] https://www.tcl.tk/
>> [4] https://x.com/tcllang
>>
>>
>>

Re: [TCLCORE] Tcl user forum?

[Gerald L. <ger...@gm...>]

Google groups is dead.

Comp.lang.tcl had 4 post in the last 6 hours.

On 8/14/24 08:02, Gustaf Neumann (sslmail) wrote:
> Gerald, i am not asking for making an announcement to www.tcl.tk.  The 
> problem with comp.lang.tcl is that it is apparently dead (at least in 
> google groups), last entry is from feb 22.
> all the best -g
>
>
>> On 14.08.2024, at 14:25, Gerald Lester <Ger...@gm...> wrote:
>>
>> Very few people had access to make an announcement onwww.tcl.tk 
>> <http://www.tcl.tk/>.
>>
>> The Google Groups was just a mirror of the comp.lang.tcl -- so yes, 
>> you should use comp.lang.tcl for announcements.
>>
>> On 8/14/24 03:08, Gustaf Neumann (sslmail) wrote:
>>> Dear all.
>>>
>>> What is nowadays the best place for Tcl relevant announcements 
>>>  (like [1]), which are not core related)?
>>> The usual place was [2], and it is still announced on [3] that 
>>> "comp.lang.tcl remains the best forum for Tcl/Tk discussions” (links 
>>> to [2]).
>>> In essence [2] appears to be dead.
>>>
>>> Is it time to go backt to usenet news? Go to twitter/x [4]? Create a 
>>> “tcl-user” mailing list? Provide an RSS feed?
>>> Have I missed something?
>>>
>>> The page [3] (and below) should receive an update.
>>>
>>> All the best
>>> -g
>>>
>>> [1] https://openacs.org/forums/message-view?message_id=5831311
>>> [2] https://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.tcl
>>> [3] https://www.tcl.tk/
>>> [4] https://x.com/tcllang
>>>
>
-- 
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Gerald W. Lester                                                       |
|"The man who fights for his ideals is the man who is alive." - Cervantes|
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+

Re: [TCLCORE] Tcl user forum?

[Colin M. <col...@ya...>]

On 14/08/2024 14:11, Alexander Schöpe via Tcl-Core wrote:
> Wasn’t there already a suggestion to switch to Fossil Forum as a replacement for comp.lang.tcl and import everything there?

There was such a suggestion, but it has not happened so far. However 
comp.lang.tcl is still active and can be accessed on any Usenet server 
by using an NNTP client.  But Google Groups was convenient because it 
avoided the complications of using an NNTP client.

I have set up another web interface at 
https://cmacleod.me.uk/ng/comp.lang.tcl - this is rather crude but I am 
working (slowly) on improving it. The site supports all non-binary 
Usenet groups, not just comp.lang.tcl.

Another alternative for web access is 
https://www.novabbs.com/devel/thread.php?group=comp.lang.tcl.

Colin.

Re: [TCLCORE] Tcl user forum?

[Harald O. <har...@el...>]

Dear Gustaf,

Google stopped the syncronisation with the news group.
That is why you don't see any updates.

I use eternal september to communicate and it works great.

And we are seeking for a new solution...
Fossil Forum was proposed...

Thank you for all,
Harald

Am 14.08.2024 um 10:08 schrieb Gustaf Neumann (sslmail):
> 
> Dear all.
> 
> What is nowadays the best place for Tcl relevant announcements  (like [1]), which are not core related)?
> The usual place was [2], and it is still announced on [3] that "comp.lang.tcl remains the best forum for Tcl/Tk discussions” (links to [2]).
> In essence [2] appears to be dead.
> 
> Is it time to go backt to usenet news? Go to twitter/x [4]? Create a “tcl-user” mailing list? Provide an RSS feed?
> Have I missed something?
> 
> The page [3] (and below) should receive an update.
> 
> All the best
> -g
> 
> [1] https://openacs.org/forums/message-view?message_id=5831311
> [2] https://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.tcl
> [3] https://www.tcl.tk/
> [4] https://x.com/tcllang

Re: [TCLCORE] Tcl user forum?

[Alexander S. <a.s...@gm...>]

Wasn’t there already a suggestion to switch to Fossil Forum as a replacement for comp.lang.tcl and import everything there?

> Am 14.08.2024 um 15:02 schrieb Gustaf Neumann (sslmail) <ne...@wu...>:
> 
> Gerald, i am not asking for making an announcement to www.tcl.tk.  The problem with comp.lang.tcl is that it is apparently dead (at least in google groups), last entry is from feb 22.  
> all the best -g
> 
> 
>> On 14.08.2024, at 14:25, Gerald Lester <Ger...@gm...> wrote:
>> 
>> Very few people had access to make an announcement on www.tcl.tk.
>> 
>> The Google Groups was just a mirror of the comp.lang.tcl -- so yes, you should use comp.lang.tcl for announcements.
>> 
>> On 8/14/24 03:08, Gustaf Neumann (sslmail) wrote:
>>> Dear all.
>>> 
>>> What is nowadays the best place for Tcl relevant announcements  (like [1]), which are not core related)?
>>> The usual place was [2], and it is still announced on [3] that "comp.lang.tcl remains the best forum for Tcl/Tk discussions” (links to [2]).
>>> In essence [2] appears to be dead.
>>> 
>>> Is it time to go backt to usenet news? Go to twitter/x [4]? Create a “tcl-user” mailing list? Provide an RSS feed?
>>> Have I missed something?
>>> 
>>> The page [3] (and below) should receive an update.
>>> 
>>> All the best
>>> -g
>>> 
>>> [1] https://openacs.org/forums/message-view?message_id=5831311
>>> [2] https://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.tcl
>>> [3] https://www.tcl.tk/
>>> [4] https://x.com/tcllang
>>> 
> 
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Re: [TCLCORE] Tcl user forum?

[Gustaf N. (sslmail) <ne...@wu...>]

Gerald, i am not asking for making an announcement to www.tcl.tk.  The problem with comp.lang.tcl is that it is apparently dead (at least in google groups), last entry is from feb 22.  
all the best -g


> On 14.08.2024, at 14:25, Gerald Lester <Ger...@gm...> wrote:
> 
> Very few people had access to make an announcement on www.tcl.tk <http://www.tcl.tk/>.
> 
> The Google Groups was just a mirror of the comp.lang.tcl -- so yes, you should use comp.lang.tcl for announcements.
> 
> On 8/14/24 03:08, Gustaf Neumann (sslmail) wrote:
>> Dear all.
>> 
>> What is nowadays the best place for Tcl relevant announcements  (like [1]), which are not core related)?
>> The usual place was [2], and it is still announced on [3] that "comp.lang.tcl remains the best forum for Tcl/Tk discussions” (links to [2]).
>> In essence [2] appears to be dead.
>> 
>> Is it time to go backt to usenet news? Go to twitter/x [4]? Create a “tcl-user” mailing list? Provide an RSS feed?
>> Have I missed something?
>> 
>> The page [3] (and below) should receive an update.
>> 
>> All the best
>> -g
>> 
>> [1] https://openacs.org/forums/message-view?message_id=5831311
>> [2] https://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.tcl
>> [3] https://www.tcl.tk/
>> [4] https://x.com/tcllang
>> 

Re: [TCLCORE] Tcl user forum?

[Gerald L. <ger...@gm...>]

Very few people had access to make an announcement on www.tcl.tk.

The Google Groups was just a mirror of the comp.lang.tcl -- so yes, you 
should use comp.lang.tcl for announcements.

On 8/14/24 03:08, Gustaf Neumann (sslmail) wrote:
> Dear all.
>
> What is nowadays the best place for Tcl relevant announcements  (like [1]), which are not core related)?
> The usual place was [2], and it is still announced on [3] that "comp.lang.tcl remains the best forum for Tcl/Tk discussions” (links to [2]).
> In essence [2] appears to be dead.
>
> Is it time to go backt to usenet news? Go to twitter/x [4]? Create a “tcl-user” mailing list? Provide an RSS feed?
> Have I missed something?
>
> The page [3] (and below) should receive an update.
>
> All the best
> -g
>
> [1] https://openacs.org/forums/message-view?message_id=5831311
> [2] https://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.tcl
> [3] https://www.tcl.tk/
> [4] https://x.com/tcllang
>
>
>
-- 
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Gerald W. Lester                                                       |
|"The man who fights for his ideals is the man who is alive." - Cervantes|
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[TCLCORE] Tcl user forum?

[Gustaf N. (sslmail) <ne...@wu...>]

Dear all.

What is nowadays the best place for Tcl relevant announcements  (like [1]), which are not core related)?
The usual place was [2], and it is still announced on [3] that "comp.lang.tcl remains the best forum for Tcl/Tk discussions” (links to [2]). 
In essence [2] appears to be dead. 

Is it time to go backt to usenet news? Go to twitter/x [4]? Create a “tcl-user” mailing list? Provide an RSS feed?
Have I missed something?

The page [3] (and below) should receive an update.

All the best
-g

[1] https://openacs.org/forums/message-view?message_id=5831311
[2] https://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.tcl
[3] https://www.tcl.tk/
[4] https://x.com/tcllang

[TCLCORE] ETCL video recordings online

[Harald O. <har...@el...>]

Dear OpenACS/TCL/Tk team members,

the recordings of the Vienna conference 2024 are online:

https://openacs.org/conf2024/info/schedule

I want take the occasion to thank:

- Sebastian Scheder and Mario Vukman for the live cast and recordings of 
the videos. This is a huge amount of work and is really precious

- Kathrin Kreuz-Koch, Stefan Sobering and Gustaf Neuman for the great 
organisation of the conference, including the whole team of the 
university of Economics in Vienna

- All great presenters for awesome contributions

- all the participants to have joined the conference

The next conference will not take place in Vienna, as Stefan is on a 
research stay in Sweden. Any proposals for the next conference welcome.

I want to thank you all and take care,
Harald

Re: [TCLCORE] Tcl build broken for core-8-6-branch

[Dipl. I. S. G. B. <se...@us...>]

 

No it meant tclWideIntType (because only there it overflows by
conversion 0xffffffff as int), but... 

Sorry, I forgotten systems with TCL_WIDE_INT_IS_LONG, where
tclWideIntType is undefined (why basically? I'd rather expect it as an
alias for tclIntType, to be more binary independend).

Anyway, amended now in [5e8df6f2328b226d] [4]. 

Regards,
Serg. 

12.08.2024 17:11, Marc Culler wrote: 

> When I tried to make a 1-line change to the Tcl unix/configure.in [2] I found that commit e2f55d6060 [3] had broken the build for core-8-6-branch. The error is: 
> 
> error: use of undeclared identifier 'tclWideIntType'; did you mean 'tclIntType'?
> || (intObj->typePtr != &tclWideIntType)
> 
> - Marc
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Tcl-Core mailing list
> Tcl...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tcl-core [1]
 

Links:
------
[1] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tcl-core
[2] http://configure.in
[3] https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcl/info/e2f55d60603a87a3
[4] https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcl/info/5e8df6f2328b226d

[TCLCORE] Tcl build broken for core-8-6-branch

[Marc C. <cul...@gm...>]

When I tried to make a 1-line change to the Tcl unix/configure.in I found
that commit e2f55d6060 <https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcl/info/e2f55d60603a87a3>
had broken the build for core-8-6-branch.  The error is:

error: use of undeclared identifier 'tclWideIntType'; did you mean
'tclIntType'?
                || (intObj->typePtr != &tclWideIntType)

- Marc

[TCLCORE] zipfs change consolidation

[<apn...@ya...>]

All,

 

As documented in multiple tickets
(https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcl/rptview/28), the zipfs-related manpages and
TIP 430 have multiple inconsistencies with the actual zipfs implementation
(and each other!).

 

Torsten has created a branch,
https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcl/timeline?r=zipfs-consolidation that resolves
these inconsistencies using the actual implementation as the reference. The
TIP has been modified accordingly with an addendum.

 

I plan to merge the branch into the trunk in the next couple of days (with
Torsten's permission as he is away on vacation this month).

 

If anyone has objections to the merge, please voice them now else I'll merge
in the next couple of days. The topics have already been discussed in the
relevant tickets and changes unanimously agreed to within the group of TCT
members involved in the discussion.

 

/Ashok

Re: [TCLCORE] Installing Tk 9.0 makes tclsh8.6 unable to find Tk

[Jan N. <jan...@gm...>]

Op za 10 aug 2024 om 19:54 schreef Marc Culler:

> How do I make both tclsh8.6 and tclsh9.0 work on the same system at the
> same time?
>
> And, why do I get such an unhelpful error message?  Couldn't it at least
> indicate where it is looking for Tk when it fails to find it?
>

Please file a ticket on this. I'll comment on some more information I have
about this.

Regards,
     Jan Nijtmans

Re: [TCLCORE] Github sync failing?

[Andreas K. <and...@gm...>]

> Yes, it was showing last commit of 3 days ago, now showing 16 hours so my email seems to have done the trick 😉

I have not done anything, seeing the mails just now.

> Op za 10 aug 2024 09:04 Ashok:
> 
> The last sync to the github mirror seems to be 3 days old while the core repository shows commits as of yesterday.

> Ik appears to be building now

Checking the core logs I see proper syncs for Aug 8, 9, 10 for both Tcl and Tk.

Remember: The sync is a daily thing.
And:	  It happens 23:38 PDT  (     UTC - 7,    Vancouver, BC)
	  i.e.        8:38 CDT  ((+1) UTC + 2,    Berlin, Europe)
	  i.e.	     12:08 IST  ((+1) UTC + 5:30, New-Delhi, India)
	  or	     16:38 AWST ((+1) UTC + 8,    Perth, W Australia)

For me this means that the Aug 10 sync deep in the
night of Vancovuer is on my Aug 11 early morning.

Thus the (+1) I put in as a 'next day` marker.

Oh, and IIRC the fossil timeline can be configured to show local time, or UTC.

Checked, Tcl is set to show UTC i nthe timeline. Switching to local time will
show PDT as that is the local time of the server.

-- 
Happy Tcling,
	Andreas Kupries <and...@gm...>
			<https://core.tcl-lang.org/akupries/>
			<https://akupries.tclers.tk/>
	Developer @	SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[TCLCORE] Installing Tk 9.0 makes tclsh8.6 unable to find Tk

[Marc C. <cul...@gm...>]

When I install Tk 9.0 (on macOS) and then run tclsh8.6 I get this:

% tclsh8.6
% package require Tk
can't find package Tk

If I then install Tk 8.6,  tclsh8.6 will be able to find Tk, but tclsh9.0
claims to not be able to find Tk.

How do I make both tclsh8.6 and tclsh9.0 work on the same system at the
same time?

And, why do I get such an unhelpful error message?  Couldn't it at least
indicate where it is looking for Tk when it fails to find it?

The tclsh8.6 and tclsh9.0 executables are the ones in /usr/local/bin
installed by running
sudo make -C macosx install

- Marc

Re: [TCLCORE] Github sync failing?

[<apn...@ya...>]

Yes, it was showing last commit of 3 days ago, now showing 16 hours so my email seems to have done the trick 😉

 

From: Jan Nijtmans <jan...@gm...> 
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2024 12:59 PM
To: apn...@ya...
Cc: Tcl Core List <tcl...@li...>
Subject: Re: [TCLCORE] Github sync failing?

 

Op za 10 aug 2024 09:04 Ashok:

The last sync to the github mirror seems to be 3 days old while the core repository shows commits as of yesterday.

 

Ik appears to be building now

 

Regards,

        Jan Nijtmans

Re: [TCLCORE] Github sync failing?

[Jan N. <jan...@gm...>]

Op za 10 aug 2024 09:04 Ashok:

> The last sync to the github mirror seems to be 3 days old while the core
> repository shows commits as of yesterday.
>

Ik appears to be building now

Regards,
        Jan Nijtmans

>

[TCLCORE] Github sync failing?

[<apn...@ya...>]

The last sync to the github mirror seems to be 3 days old while the core
repository shows commits as of yesterday.

 

/Ashok (waiting for github actions before merging to trunk)

Re: [TCLCORE] Questions regarding: Do not use widget names for script names

[Donal F. <don...@ma...>]

Harald Oehlmann <har...@el...> wrote:
> That sounds all very complicated.

Yes.

> Wouldn't it possible:
> - to use a default class name (like TkMain) ?

Yes, except there's almost no case where a universal default makes any sense.

> - Modify the class name by an explicit option (like wish.exe -toplevelclassname
> myname). We already have options support and the current mechanism
> ignores it. So (wish.exe -- scale) still sees "scale"
> as class name.

That option is called -name (with the class being the same as the name but with the first letter capitalised). It needs to be in argv at the point when Tk creates the main toplevel, and has been a feature of Tk since before I started using Tk. Correspondingly, toplevels (and frames, because they share very much code) also have a -class option (their name being the last element of their Tk dotted path).
 * https://www.tcl-lang.org/man/tcl8.6/UserCmd/wish.htm#M16
 * https://www.tcl-lang.org/man/tcl8.6/TkCmd/toplevel.htm#M7

Donal.