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From: <no...@tc...> - 2025-08-16 10:48:20
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Automated mail by fx, on behalf of no...@tc... Ticket Change [e72d50d123b26955a58304227201dd88a04149e57234cf1ee130063a4778b7f7] [Limitation of [send] and [winfo interps] on macOS is not reflected documentation, and tests exhibit shortcomings] By erikleunissen For Tk On 2025-08-16T10:45:40.397 Details https://core.tcl-lang.org/tk/tinfo?name=e72d50d123b26955a58304227201dd88a04149e57234cf1ee130063a4778b7f7 Ticket https://core.tcl-lang.org/tk/tktview/9ba9729ef1b5ef6ead755f2d72656743bbb26832 Changed Fields icomment: The changes that I intended with this ticket are done. I'm welcoming review of the development branch bug-9ba9729ef1. login: erikleunissen ------------------------------------------------------------ See Tcl/Tk development @ http://core.tcl-lang.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ |
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From: <no...@tc...> - 2025-08-16 10:48:13
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Automated mail by fx, on behalf of no...@tc... Ticket Change [1cdbe4504fa57489dcd3b70aaf60a5f502ce8e377ac3785ef971ee68d803ecdd] [RFE - lazy loading of TclOO for faster interp creation] By apnadkarni For Tcl On 2025-08-16T10:39:19.555 Details https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcl/tinfo?name=1cdbe4504fa57489dcd3b70aaf60a5f502ce8e377ac3785ef971ee68d803ecdd Ticket https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcl/tktview/effa2e2346f8372ad4982d16bad189fab96ceb56 Changed Fields icomment: Note: the branch has not been tested with TclOO's C API. Looking for an extension that uses it ... login: apnadkarni ------------------------------------------------------------ See Tcl/Tk development @ http://core.tcl-lang.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ |
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From: <no...@tc...> - 2025-08-16 10:18:24
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Automated mail by fx, on behalf of no...@tc... Ticket Change [cad28e24446b2fd3489a86a6e509d8a66ae8b39d345d29634ce14d83b7656c06] [Limitation of [send] and [winfo interps] on macOS is not reflected documentation, and tests exhibit shortcomings] By erikleunissen For Tk On 2025-08-16T10:10:41.396 Details https://core.tcl-lang.org/tk/tinfo?name=cad28e24446b2fd3489a86a6e509d8a66ae8b39d345d29634ce14d83b7656c06 Ticket https://core.tcl-lang.org/tk/tktview/9ba9729ef1b5ef6ead755f2d72656743bbb26832 Changed Fields icomment: Tests in send.test targetting interpreters in another process have now been constrained with "notAqua". See commits [1f3dbb47af] and [95d7944f15]. login: erikleunissen ------------------------------------------------------------ See Tcl/Tk development @ http://core.tcl-lang.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ |
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From: <no...@tc...> - 2025-08-16 10:18:18
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Automated mail by fx, on behalf of no...@tc... Ticket Change [39e0faaa815dd7ec9c4a774857433292e7c2165dd3c3eb7685ec59deae74d239] [Limitation of [send] and [winfo interps] on macOS is not reflected documentation, and tests exhibit shortcomings] By erikleunissen For Tk On 2025-08-16T10:13:20.294 Details https://core.tcl-lang.org/tk/tinfo?name=39e0faaa815dd7ec9c4a774857433292e7c2165dd3c3eb7685ec59deae74d239 Ticket https://core.tcl-lang.org/tk/tktview/9ba9729ef1b5ef6ead755f2d72656743bbb26832 Changed Fields icomment: Tests in winfo.test with multiple interpreters (in the same process and in different processes) have been added. See commit [c8bf1bce91]. login: erikleunissen ------------------------------------------------------------ See Tcl/Tk development @ http://core.tcl-lang.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ |
Automated mail by fx, on behalf of no...@tc... Commit [c8bf1bce91f5e97fe7321ec4ff2fdb7f98e26f410342f3ca99978012cc9cabee] By erikleunissen For Tk (branch: bug-9ba9729ef1) On 2025-08-16T10:05:17.537 Details https://core.tcl-lang.org/tk/info/c8bf1bce91f5e97fe7321ec4ff2fdb7f98e26f410342f3ca99978012cc9cabee Description winfo.test: add tests for "winfo interps" with multiple interpreters (in the same process and in different processes) Changed Files 1 edited tests/winfo.test ------------------------------------------------------------ See Tcl/Tk development @ http://core.tcl-lang.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ |
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From: <no...@tc...> - 2025-08-16 10:03:15
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Automated mail by fx, on behalf of no...@tc... By erikleunissen For Tk On 2025-08-16T09:58:24.919 Changed https://core.tcl-lang.org/tk/info/1f3dbb47afc7d5153456a98d81929ec1b13639f65316192ce16625185806584d Tag +comment send.test: on macOS/aqua skip tests that send to interps in other processes (add constraint notAqua) ------------------------------------------------------------ See Tcl/Tk development @ http://core.tcl-lang.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ |
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From: <no...@tc...> - 2025-08-16 09:18:21
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Automated mail by fx, on behalf of no...@tc... Commit [95d7944f15dfb193b498b6d56360072955b8b639da355e598c022588870229e4] By erikleunissen For Tk (branch: bug-9ba9729ef1) On 2025-08-16T09:09:34.328 Details https://core.tcl-lang.org/tk/info/95d7944f15dfb193b498b6d56360072955b8b639da355e598c022588870229e4 Description Fix mistake in previous commit Changed Files 1 edited tests/send.test ------------------------------------------------------------ See Tcl/Tk development @ http://core.tcl-lang.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ |
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From: <no...@tc...> - 2025-08-16 09:18:20
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Automated mail by fx, on behalf of no...@tc... Commit [1f3dbb47afc7d5153456a98d81929ec1b13639f65316192ce16625185806584d] By erikleunissen For Tk (branch: bug-9ba9729ef1) On 2025-08-16T09:06:04.346 Details https://core.tcl-lang.org/tk/info/1f3dbb47afc7d5153456a98d81929ec1b13639f65316192ce16625185806584d Description On macOS/aqua skip tests that send to interps in other processes (add constraint notAqua) Changed Files 1 edited tests/send.test ------------------------------------------------------------ See Tcl/Tk development @ http://core.tcl-lang.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ |
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From: <no...@tc...> - 2025-08-16 08:03:23
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Automated mail by fx, on behalf of no...@tc... Ticket Change [0c40896700ee9bb8392427a126bc44b4a8ffacab98a673d2a062a19d3c5a49b8] [Limitation of [send] and [winfo interps] on macOS is not reflected documentation, and tests exhibit shortcomings] By erikleunissen For Tk On 2025-08-16T08:00:39.906 Details https://core.tcl-lang.org/tk/tinfo?name=0c40896700ee9bb8392427a126bc44b4a8ffacab98a673d2a062a19d3c5a49b8 Ticket https://core.tcl-lang.org/tk/tktview/9ba9729ef1b5ef6ead755f2d72656743bbb26832 Changed Fields icomment: New text proposals for man winfo (winfo interps) and man send ------------------------------------------------------------- Man winfo, current text "winfo interps" -- Returns a list whose members are the names of all Tcl interpreters (e.g. all Tk-based applications) currently registered for a particular display. If the -displayof option is given then the return value refers to the display of window; otherwise it refers to the display of the application's main window. -- Proposed new text -- Returns a list whose members are the names of all Tcl interpreters (e.g. all Tk-based applications) currently registered for a particular display. If the -displayof option is given then the return value refers to the display of window; otherwise it refers to the display of the application's main window. Under macOS/aqua, the command returns only the interpreters that exist in the same process as the current interpreter. -- Man send, proposal to add a section "LIMITATIONS" ------------------------------------------------- Proposed text for section LIMITATIONS: -- Under macOS/aqua, the send command works only with interpreters that exist in the same process (these are returned by "winfo interps"). Invocations that target an interpreter that exists in another process return an empty string without accomplishing anything; no error is returned. -- The proposed changes have been committed in bug-fix branch bug-9ba9729ef1, commit [731a5957cc]. login: erikleunissen ------------------------------------------------------------ See Tcl/Tk development @ http://core.tcl-lang.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ |
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From: <no...@tc...> - 2025-08-16 08:03:22
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Automated mail by fx, on behalf of no...@tc... By erikleunissen For Tk On 2025-08-16T07:54:03.251 Changed https://core.tcl-lang.org/tk/info/731a5957cc7b4f61c57800db37d22e24bb298067ae1b5e4e6e7db82698dbb9a9 Tag *bgcolor #e9bcbc ------------------------------------------------------------ See Tcl/Tk development @ http://core.tcl-lang.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ |
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From: <no...@tc...> - 2025-08-16 08:03:21
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Automated mail by fx, on behalf of no...@tc... Commit [731a5957cc7b4f61c57800db37d22e24bb298067ae1b5e4e6e7db82698dbb9a9] By erikleunissen For Tk (branch: bug-9ba9729ef1) On 2025-08-16T07:43:40.304 Details https://core.tcl-lang.org/tk/info/731a5957cc7b4f61c57800db37d22e24bb298067ae1b5e4e6e7db82698dbb9a9 Description Proposed texts for man winfo and man send Changed Files 2 edited doc/send.n doc/winfo.n ------------------------------------------------------------ See Tcl/Tk development @ http://core.tcl-lang.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ |
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From: <no...@tc...> - 2025-08-16 06:18:23
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Automated mail by fx, on behalf of no...@tc... Ticket Change [34c4ce866362100ad836a6bec45653b84df3a5108fa4c772545ede0624c329cc] [Performance penalty by creation of interp compared to old versions] By apnadkarni For Tcl On 2025-08-16T06:12:19.981 Details https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcl/tinfo?name=34c4ce866362100ad836a6bec45653b84df3a5108fa4c772545ede0624c329cc Ticket https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcl/tktview/62019f8aa9f5ec73743be6f7d90f3b346c8cd29b Changed Fields icomment: For one proposed improvement see [5773c78e86](https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcl/tktview/5773c78e86) login: apnadkarni ------------------------------------------------------------ See Tcl/Tk development @ http://core.tcl-lang.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ |
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From: <no...@tc...> - 2025-08-16 06:18:13
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Automated mail by fx, on behalf of no...@tc... Ticket Change [02d39d413d29d2769593724f0282658b56ea015c71dcd56ce274bb6dfb7ddc79] [Small lrange of abstract list shimmers the source list to a non-abstract list] By apnadkarni For Tcl On 2025-08-16T06:09:26.690 Details https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcl/tinfo?name=02d39d413d29d2769593724f0282658b56ea015c71dcd56ce274bb6dfb7ddc79 Ticket https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcl/tktview/5773c78e86a515f9c981e990d1ec51d119f1024f Changed Fields closedate: 2025-08-16 06:09:26 closer: apnadkarni icomment: Fixed with TIP 649 merge. login: apnadkarni resolution: Fixed status: Closed ------------------------------------------------------------ See Tcl/Tk development @ http://core.tcl-lang.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ |
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From: <no...@tc...> - 2025-08-16 05:48:25
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Automated mail by fx, on behalf of no...@tc... Ticket Change [9b87f217c7201a930340468e543beabbeb681df4a187c1758a0bac37b524adb7] [inconsistent handling of glob -nocomplain] By apnadkarni For Tcl On 2025-08-16T05:42:45.789 Details https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcl/tinfo?name=9b87f217c7201a930340468e543beabbeb681df4a187c1758a0bac37b524adb7 Ticket https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcl/tktview/e5c21e566ff31a51f85bf12e0b5031993a3c4b4a Changed Fields icomment: I think what is really needed is another switch (when all else fails, add another switch!). Fundamentally, only the application can decide whether errors such as access denied should be catastrophic or not. Based on the behaviour of my Windows backup programs, I would imagine backup programs for example to skip inaccessible files as opposed to aborting. An installer copying files might treat errors reading source directories as catastrophic. Since glob can't tell the difference, it needs a switch, `-skiponerror` or similar. Which would of course require a TIP. login: apnadkarni ------------------------------------------------------------ See Tcl/Tk development @ http://core.tcl-lang.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ |
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From: <no...@tc...> - 2025-08-16 05:48:18
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Automated mail by fx, on behalf of no...@tc... Ticket Change [f7adab6025476834b652e4a346596a09a2d4c038e844c8acec706f09b0c88455] [RFE - lazy loading of TclOO for faster interp creation] By apnadkarni For Tcl On 2025-08-16T05:36:29.654 Details https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcl/tinfo?name=f7adab6025476834b652e4a346596a09a2d4c038e844c8acec706f09b0c88455 Ticket https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcl/tktview/effa2e2346f8372ad4982d16bad189fab96ceb56 Changed Fields assignee: nobody closer: nobody comment: Tcl interp creation time more than doubled in 9.{0,1,2} compared to 8.6 as reported in [62019f8aa9](https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcl/tktview/62019f8aa9). This difference has mostly been negated for 9.0.3 with zipfs related fixes. However, opportunities for further optimization remain. One of these is loading of TclOO. As measured on my system, TclOO initialization takes up close to 40% of interp creation time. Since a very substantial (majority even?) number of Tcl applications do not use oo, one possibility is to lazy load TclOO. The [apn-oo-lazy-init](https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcl/timeline?r=apn-oo-laz y-init) branch implements a proof of concept for this. For comparison: Current main branch: ``` % timerate {interp delete [interp create]} 1861.39 µs/# 537 # 537.23 #/sec 999.566 net-ms ``` apn-oo-lazy-init branch: ``` % timerate {interp delete [interp create]} 1175.20 µs/# 850 # 850.92 #/sec 998.919 net-ms ``` Test suite passes. The implementation creates stubs commands for the public oo commands that do initialization on first call. The initialization in turn overwrites the stub implementations with the "real" oo implementation. Other implementation strategies may be possible (tclIndex, unknown etc.) but need to keep in mind all code paths need to be covered (e.g. initial invocation through `namespace path`, use of `info class` commands before any public oo commands etc. Comments on the proposal, improvements, breakage or even alternative methods appreciated. is_private: 0 login: apnadkarni priority: 5 Medium private_contact: 9546e9877f1a8899e25a89082561ee694e7fb402 resolution: None severity: Minor status: Open submitter: apnadkarni subsystem: - New Builtin Commands title: RFE - lazy loading of TclOO for faster interp creation type: Bug ------------------------------------------------------------ See Tcl/Tk development @ http://core.tcl-lang.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ |
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From: <no...@tc...> - 2025-08-16 05:48:16
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Automated mail by fx, on behalf of no...@tc... Ticket Change [e09abc3c6a8b5b40fdf04134ad980484a3cbb9f6d07cddf8ca7af4d80442fb60] [Limitation of [send] and [winfo interps] on macOS is not reflected documentation, and tests exhibit shortcomings] By erikleunissen For Tk On 2025-08-16T05:39:24.182 Details https://core.tcl-lang.org/tk/tinfo?name=e09abc3c6a8b5b40fdf04134ad980484a3cbb9f6d07cddf8ca7af4d80442fb60 Ticket https://core.tcl-lang.org/tk/tktview/9ba9729ef1b5ef6ead755f2d72656743bbb26832 Changed Fields assignee: nobody closer: nobody comment: On macOS, communicating with other interpreters using the send command is limited to interpreters within the same process. This limitation is not mentioned in the manual page for "send". Also, some tests in the test file "send.test" involve interpreters in other processes. Some of these tests are skipped for aqua, but not all, notably send-8.18 and send-8.19. A probably related limitation holds for [winfo interps]. Under macOS, this command does not list interpreters in another process. As is the case with [send], this limitation is not mentioned in the docs. Furthermore, the test file "winfo.test" doesn't contain any tests that exercise multiple interpreters, whether in the same process or not, taking into account the different behaviour on macOS compared to that on other unix derivatives. See also the post to the TCLCORE mailing list on 15-aug-2025 with subject "Advice requested regarding [send] on macOS". foundin: 9.1a0 is_private: 0 login: erikleunissen priority: 5 Medium private_contact: 609f4c7ecf7dbb7a46acdc7eb164753d196088a6 resolution: None severity: Important status: Open submitter: erikleunissen subsystem: 99. Other title: Limitation of [send] and [winfo interps] on macOS is not reflected documentation, and tests exhibit shortcomings type: Bug ------------------------------------------------------------ See Tcl/Tk development @ http://core.tcl-lang.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ |
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From: <no...@tc...> - 2025-08-16 05:48:15
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Automated mail by fx, on behalf of no...@tc... By apnadkarni For Tcl On 2025-08-16T05:37:06.602 Changed https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcl/info/edd3cd05f0357fff4b0103d8979aa80fe4cb5862d5aaccf5984cca2f6d3e1e82 Tag +sym-core-apn-oo-lazy-init ------------------------------------------------------------ See Tcl/Tk development @ http://core.tcl-lang.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ |
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From: <no...@tc...> - 2025-08-16 04:33:06
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Automated mail by fx, on behalf of no...@tc... Commit [edd3cd05f0357fff4b0103d8979aa80fe4cb5862d5aaccf5984cca2f6d3e1e82] By apnadkarni For Tcl (branch: apn-oo-lazy-init) On 2025-08-16T04:22:12.867 Details https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcl/info/edd3cd05f0357fff4b0103d8979aa80fe4cb5862d5aaccf5984cca2f6d3e1e82 Description Delete oo::singleton,configurable commands before defining them as classes Changed Files 1 edited generic/tclOO.c ------------------------------------------------------------ See Tcl/Tk development @ http://core.tcl-lang.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ |
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From: <no...@tc...> - 2025-08-16 04:03:12
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Automated mail by fx, on behalf of no...@tc... Commit [897093b79058d884c5b75fdfc982e7c9d1d34f4f187c5f9e5d09211134d66a54] By apnadkarni For Tcl (branch: apn-oo-lazy-init) On 2025-08-16T04:02:16.526 Details https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcl/info/897093b79058d884c5b75fdfc982e7c9d1d34f4f187c5f9e5d09211134d66a54 Description Proof of concept to reduce interp start times by lazy loading oo Changed Files 3 edited generic/tclBasic.c generic/tclOO.c library/tclIndex ------------------------------------------------------------ See Tcl/Tk development @ http://core.tcl-lang.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ |
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From: <no...@tc...> - 2025-08-16 01:48:20
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Automated mail by fx, on behalf of no...@tc... Ticket Change [f9c6786b1ee3be5cf4a3ada3d99ec0d2be9b72ef1bb06be78f197f408139f28a] [Revisiting [df4b603950]] By chrstphrchvz For Tk On 2025-08-16T01:42:49.070 Details https://core.tcl-lang.org/tk/tinfo?name=f9c6786b1ee3be5cf4a3ada3d99ec0d2be9b72ef1bb06be78f197f408139f28a Ticket https://core.tcl-lang.org/tk/tktview/f215a9fdaad50b6a2963258464cfd2f50f4d64ff Changed Fields icomment: Please see Fossil branch bug-df4b603950-alt login: chrstphrchvz ------------------------------------------------------------ See Tcl/Tk development @ http://core.tcl-lang.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ |
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From: <no...@tc...> - 2025-08-16 01:48:17
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Automated mail by fx, on behalf of no...@tc... Commit [45ebf58a93b5b7e6ee4a32a698d255c1cdd88273976a044ea1cec403ff7d5a54] By chrstphrchvz For Tk (branch: bug-df4b603950-alt) On 2025-08-16T01:36:36.652 Details https://core.tcl-lang.org/tk/info/45ebf58a93b5b7e6ee4a32a698d255c1cdd88273976a044ea1cec403ff7d5a54 Description Prevent a faint outline from appearing when downscaling Retina captures Changed Files 1 edited macosx/tkMacOSXImage.c ------------------------------------------------------------ See Tcl/Tk development @ http://core.tcl-lang.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ |
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From: <no...@tc...> - 2025-08-16 01:48:10
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Automated mail by fx, on behalf of no...@tc... Commit [84c2ba4fc8d483477fbcf68d709f91928c9aebb96273743dc1d4c5f729ceac6c] By chrstphrchvz For Tk (branch: bug-df4b603950-alt) On 2025-08-16T01:33:04.505 Details https://core.tcl-lang.org/tk/info/84c2ba4fc8d483477fbcf68d709f91928c9aebb96273743dc1d4c5f729ceac6c Description Alternative fix for CreateCGImageFromDrawableRect() returning smaller image than requested. See [f215a9fdaa]. Changed Files 1 edited macosx/tkMacOSXImage.c ------------------------------------------------------------ See Tcl/Tk development @ http://core.tcl-lang.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ |
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From: <no...@tc...> - 2025-08-16 00:18:11
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Automated mail by fx, on behalf of no...@tc... Commit [6a72df82f121a131e0a3b62498a8abc0fd81c894b640978f5bfd4ed791864597] By kevin_walzer For Tk (branch: tka11y) On 2025-08-15T21:44:49.671 Details https://core.tcl-lang.org/tk/info/6a72df82f121a131e0a3b62498a8abc0fd81c894b640978f5bfd4ed791864597 Description Accessibility names/descriptions now read by Orca Changed Files 1 edited unix/tkUnixAccessibility.c ------------------------------------------------------------ See Tcl/Tk development @ http://core.tcl-lang.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ |
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From: <no...@tc...> - 2025-08-15 22:33:26
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Automated mail by fx, on behalf of no...@tc... Ticket Change [e04f5babc110cd10fb79856ae495f39b9c45cebc8c973b697f8a7cef18e8ec9f] [Correct macOSVersion on future macOS for older SDK builds] By jan.nijtmans For Tk On 2025-08-15T22:30:01.926 Details https://core.tcl-lang.org/tk/tinfo?name=e04f5babc110cd10fb79856ae495f39b9c45cebc8c973b697f8a7cef18e8ec9f Ticket https://core.tcl-lang.org/tk/tktview/a91b242d437b5d949c7a4c63db661e035f8f8169 Changed Fields assignee: chrstphrchvz closedate: 2025-08-15 22:30:01 closer: jan.nijtmans icomment: Fixed [f2d0ceecc7a789d3|here] and in all other active branches Thanks for the report and the patch! login: jan.nijtmans resolution: Fixed status: Closed ------------------------------------------------------------ See Tcl/Tk development @ http://core.tcl-lang.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ |
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From: <no...@tc...> - 2025-08-15 22:33:22
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Automated mail by fx, on behalf of no...@tc... Ticket Change [b0f491bc4e615abf3afc192b1b22fd4f62c43bdd3f5002944d9469f3271a74f4] [Pointer arithmetic with NULL in ImgGetPhoto()] By jan.nijtmans For Tk On 2025-08-15T22:28:41.552 Details https://core.tcl-lang.org/tk/tinfo?name=b0f491bc4e615abf3afc192b1b22fd4f62c43bdd3f5002944d9469f3271a74f4 Ticket https://core.tcl-lang.org/tk/tktview/d93d961dd4b5ee44e3c902366d52ea84d4c550b7 Changed Fields assignee: chrstphrchvz closedate: 2025-08-15 22:28:41 closer: jan.nijtmans icomment: Fixed [61aaaad2d5fa6094|here] (and in all other active branches) Thanks for the report! login: jan.nijtmans resolution: Fixed status: Closed ------------------------------------------------------------ See Tcl/Tk development @ http://core.tcl-lang.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ |
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