Re: [TCLCORE] "Productive branches"

[Harald O. <har...@el...>]

Thanks for pointing this out. Yes, the "chronist" have to ship around 
many obstactles ;-)

Take care,
Harald

Am 27.01.2025 um 18:44 schrieb Marc Culler:
>     The discussion will be formalized in TIP 710 and everyone will have
>     their say and more!
> 
> 
> This is very important, and was not clear from the meeting "minutes".
> 
> Is there any harm in listing TCT participants in the meeting, by 
> initials, as part of the "minutes"
> And many thanks to Harald for taking the time to write these "minutes".  
> Without them, people who don't participate, for whatever reason, would 
> really be in the dark.
> 
> - Marc
> 
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 11:28 AM <apn...@ya... 
> <mailto:apn...@ya...>> wrote:
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>     I think historically, two concurrent release trains have been
>     maintained, for example 8.5 and 8.6. The earlier version gets
>     updates less frequently than the later one and eventually gets EOL
>     (8.5.19 I think was the last in 8.5 series). I would expect that to
>     continue though personally I am all in favour of ditching older
>     releases as soon as possible.____
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>     More important, to your point about the online meetings. *These are
>     very much not making decisions or setting any kind of policy.* They
>     are more akin to, say, coffee time discussions about issues and
>     ideas in a different era. They serve the purpose of being
>     lightweight, interactive and provide immediate feedback which is
>     more productive in some sense than written communication. That’s
>     all. They are a starting point for formal, wider discussions,
>     centred around TIPs that may arise from those meetings. For example,
>     the development workflow that Harald described reflected what was
>     discussed, not what has been decided. The discussion will be
>     formalized in TIP 710 and everyone will have their say and more!____
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>     __ __
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>     Note the online meets are not TCT only, but open to all.____
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>     Your point about timings is understood. Fortunately, there are
>     participants around the world. Unfortunately, that means it is
>     difficult to accommodate all time zones. The current time was moved
>     from the original to maximize participation. Rotation is certainly a
>     possibility, but the meeting has to be driven by someone in that
>     time zone(s). Given the difficulty of scheduling an “all-hands”
>     meet, there is no reason at all not to have multiple discussion
>     groups with hopefully some overlap in participants.____
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>     /Ashok____
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>     *From:*Marc Culler <cul...@gm... <mailto:cul...@gm...>>
>     *Sent:* Monday, January 27, 2025 10:01 PM
>     *To:* Tcl Core List <tcl...@li... <mailto:tcl-
>     co...@li...>>
>     *Subject:* Re: [TCLCORE] "Productive branches"____
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>     I would like to add that it does not make sense to me to even have
>     both 9.0 and 9.1 as "productive branches".  In my opinion, when 9.1
>     is released 9.0 should cease to be productive.  I can't think of any
>     reason to maintain 9.0 and 9.1 separately, much less 9.3, 9.4, 9.5,
>     ad infinitum. While a project like Python may be able maintain 3
>     separate versions simultaneously, they also have a foundation with
>     many paid employees.____
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>     - Marc ____
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>     On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 10:14 AM Marc Culler <cul...@gm...
>     <mailto:cul...@gm...>> wrote:____
> 
>         I don't understand this, but it looks very strange to me:____
> 
>         First we have:____
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>         __ __
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>         - there are productive branches:
>         core-8-6-branch, core-8-branch, core-9-0-branch, core-9-branch
>         Missing branches are created when the first 9.1 feature is
>         merged.____
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>         __ __
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>         Then we have:____
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>         __ __
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>         - if a branch is ready to merge, please ask for a merge
>         permission it in
>         the ticket including the proposed branches (e.g. 8.6, 9.0, 9.1).____
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>         __ __
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>         So that makes it look like we will have "productive branches"
>         9.0, 9.1. 9.2, 9,.3, 9.4, ....  which seems like a crazy idea to
>         me.____
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>         Also, I don't understand why TCT policies are being created
>         outside of the official communication channel of the TCT, i.e.
>         this list, at video conferences which occur at 4AM for people on
>         the west coast of the US, with no discussion on this list.  I
>         thought we had agreed not to do that.____
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>         Also, I think it is important to provide a list of attendees at
>         the video meeting, especially when they are claiming to set
>         policy for the TCT.____
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>         - Marc____
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