Re: [TCLCORE] Thanks for OpenACS/TCL/Tk conference

[Patrick M. <dus...@gm...>]

I'd like to say, I think Tcl/Tk is amazing, and in my personal 
experience I've found the community to be welcoming, encouraging, and 
kind. I hope this trend will reverse and the community will grow, and 
Tcl/Tk will find more adoption and popularity in the future, it's very 
underappreciated.

Regards,
- PM

On 14/07/2024 21:01, Neophytos Demetriou wrote:
> My highlights are different from Harald's but I will keep most to myself 
> except for one: Our community is shrinking and personal agendas can 
> exacerbate this issue. Thanks for having us in Vienna.
> 
> - Neophytos
> 
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2024 at 3:17 PM Harald Oehlmann 
> <har...@el... <mailto:har...@el...>> wrote:
> 
>     Dear OpenACS/TCL/tk team members,
> 
>     please allow me to say "thank you" for the great OpenACS/TCL/Tk user
>     conference in Vienna at the University of Economics.
> 
>     It was a great meeting with awesome organisation, speaker with
>     presentations and panels, participants present and on the net.
> 
>     The presentations are here:
>     https://openacs.org/conf2024/info/schedule
>     <https://openacs.org/conf2024/info/schedule>
>     Live recordings will be added soon.
> 
>     My highlights:
>     - TCL/Tk 9 is ready and may be released soon. I was surprised, that the
>     pannel sees even Tk in a better state and ready for release.
>     - TCL and Tk should be continued to be coupled in (major) releases.
>     Package managers like Reinhard from Suse require clear releases to put
>     in common distributions
>     - Any TCL/Tk 9 ready extension should do an official release, as
>     package
>     managers require this (often also for legal reasons). It is not
>     sufficient to have it in a branch.
>     - More reviews on commits on the main branches are seen helpful
>     - Source code management of packages is an issue. A first step would be
>     a list (at tcl-lang.org <http://tcl-lang.org>) of officially
>     supported packages. Not
>     maintained packages should be put at a common place (on chiseal or
>     github).
>     - Markdown documentation is seen as a great step. Semantic
>     documentation
>     may follow as a second step.
>     - JSON with tdom was my personal highlight, as I currently need that
>     (thanks Rolf, for the favour). And it was surprising, that Antonio also
>     spoke about it in his awesome VR talk and other OpenACS people liked
>     it,
>     as it is anyway included in OpenACS.
>     - NaviServer/OpenACS is not well known in the TCL community. An OpenACS
>     instance as a groupware may be helpful to internal organisation like
>     inter-TCT communication. The Naviserver/OpenACS community also found
>     out
>     that more should be done for beginners. Naviserver/OpenACS is very fast
>     and highly secure and ready for business critical applications. The
>     first wish of the panel was to move the source away from CSV to GITHUB
>     and friends.
>     - Some future users were well integrated in the conference and got lots
>     of support.
>     - Tk evolution includes the new text widget (if the bugs are fixed) and
>     an enhanced and compatible canvas, maybe with components from tkpath to
>     feature more coordinate flexibility, anti-aliasing and alpha-channel.
> 
>     Thank you all to make this happen.
> 
>     The next conference (2025) will not take place in Vienna due to
>     internal
>     points. So, a location for 2025 is pending. Thanks for any proposal. It
>     is hard to reach the standard of the WU, so smaller without streaming
>     etc. is also ok.
> 
>     Thanks for anybody, who made this happen: Stefan, Gustaf, Sebastian,
>     Monika and the WU team!
> 
>     Take care,
>     Harald
> 
>     P.S.: I hope, you all got home well. There was a thunderstorm and the
>     airport was close to be closed just after the conference. My train
>     got 2
>     hours delayed but I arrived well in Berlin.
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