[TCLCORE] Re: Notes about Perl6 ideas - good to read

[John O. <ou...@aj...>]

May I suggest that we should move most of these discussions to
comp.lang.tcl?  If we want to eliminate the appearance of a group
of Tcl "insiders", it would be better to make these discussions
as public as possible.

-John-

At 11:09 AM 7/28/2000 -0700, Mo DeJong wrote:
>On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Jim Ingham wrote:
>
> > I thought the aim was to get more stuff out of the core (making it thereby
> > even LESS satisfactory by itself) and then making the process of acquiring &
> > deploying extensions so easy that you would never hesitate to do so...  That
> > is still our goal, right?
>
>I hope that is still the goal. We do need to do some work to make
>it easier to build and add new extensions, but I think we have the
>right goal.
>
> > As for introducing backwards incompatibilities, I agree with Brent a bit
> > that we should not break Tcl compatibility unless there is some really
> > compelling need.  I don't see any evils of the Tcl language that we are
> > likely to cure in a good way (as opposed to, for instance, introducing some
> > other comment syntax that breaks the current Tcl mold), that would require
> > backwards incompatilibilities at the syntax level.  But in any case, this
> > should be approached with some caution.
>
>I don't think we need any syntax changes. I do think that a "no commands
>must ever change" mentality will end up making things a lot harder
>in the long run. Honestly, if you need to run some 10 year old code,
>why can't you use an old version of Tcl? Why can't you do a bit of
>porting to get it working with Tcl 9.0?
>
> > It would, on the other hand, be nice to rearrange some of the commands to be
> > a little more coherent.  It would be good to gather all the list commands
> > together, and maybe even make the open & socket commands return objects, so
> > we can get rid of this horrible mess of fconfigure, fblocked, eof...  But I
> > don't think that any of the subsystems are so badly designed right now that
> > we couldn't provide wrappers for the old syntax...
>
>I would suggest that folks check out my EasySocket API, is it a
>lot easier to use than the plain socket interface.
>
>Mo DeJong
>Red Hat Inc 

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