[MACTCL] Re: [TCLCORE] Re: [TCT] Call for maintainers

[Jim I. <ji...@ap...>]

Yeah, this is going to take a little creative work to allow us to work 
on the Mac, and not get even more buried than we are already.  I have on 
my slate to rework the Tk arrangements to allow this to go a little more 
straightforwardly.  I will try to get this done this week, and update 
the TIP 23 to reflect this.  Sorry for the delay, but I am kind of 
swamped with stuff related to Mac OS X right now...

Anyway, I am volunteering to work with Daniel on the Mac code for Tcl.  
It would be really great if Daniel will take over doing the releases!  
We do need to work out how to distribute responsibility for builds too, 
though this will get more interesting as the BI distro process gets 
further along...

Jim


On Wednesday, February 14, 2001, at 08:56 PM, Daniel A. Steffen wrote:

> Finally getting to this, sorry for the delay.
>
> I'm volunteering for the two 'Macintosh Stuff' areas and generally as a 
> helping hand for any file in the mac/ subdirectory.
>
> The plan is to co-maintain the mac sources with Jim Ingham, I had 
> informally agreed with him a while back to help out with mac code in 
> Tcl and Tk and to officially volunteer once the call comes. I've been 
> looking into mac specific issues in tcl and tk for some time now while 
> working on Alpha and have recently done the mac 8.3.2 binary release 
> with Jim's ok.
>
> While a number of other functional areas in TIP 16 (I count 12) contain 
> mac code, I don't feel I have the know-how or the time to take on the 
> other platform's code that come alongside with it.
>
> As a busy mac-centric person I'm not that interested in maintaining 
> anything besides the mac code anyway, so I'm not terribly happy with 
> the distribution of mac code among so many functional areas in TIP 16, 
> when it's quite likely that a lot of the maintainers are not going to 
> have a mac with the latest compilers and are not going to be able to 
> build and test the mac sources they are maintaining.
>
> I think Jim made a similar point a while back already about Tk and TIP 
> 23.
> Anyway it's probably too late for me to complain about TIP 16 now, and 
> TIP 23 looks a bit better in that respect, but I fear the whole mac 
> sources situation is going to be somewhat of an organizational 
> challenge.
>
> Is there some concept of platform release managers planned? is there 
> somebody among the maintainers or the TCT who will be responsible for 
> building binary distributions? (I suppose I could volunteer for 
> building the mac distribution if needed)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Daniel
>
> da...@us...
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> I'm still working (slowly) on a precise writeup of my changes to 8.3.2 
> and 8.4, but just to illustrate my point, my current patch for Tcl 8.4 
> TOT for the mac touches the following files:
>
> generic/tcl.h
> generic/tclInt.decls
> generic/tclMain.c
> generic/tclStubInit.c
> mac/MW_TclAppleScriptHeader.pch
> mac/MW_TclHeader.pch
> mac/MW_TclTestHeader.pch
> mac/tclMac.h
> mac/tclMacAppInit.c
> mac/tclMacApplication.r
> mac/tclMacChan.c
> mac/tclMacCommonPch.h
> mac/tclMacFCmd.c
> mac/tclMacInt.h
> mac/tclMacLibrary.c
> mac/tclMacLibrary.r
> mac/tclMacMath.h
> mac/tclMacNotify.c
> mac/tclMacOSA.c
> mac/tclMacOSA.r
> mac/tclMacPanic.c
> mac/tclMacPort.h
> mac/tclMacProjects.sea.hqx
> mac/tclMacResource.r
> mac/tclMacSock.c
> mac/tclMacThrd.c
> mac/tclMacUnix.c
> mac/tclMacUtil.c
>
> see http://www.maths.mq.edu.au/~steffen/tcltk/ for the diffs and new 
> files in a preliminary state (not 100% fresh anymore but they should 
> give you an idea if you're interested).
>
> while most of the changes are in tcl/mac, these files actually affect 
> all of the following functional units:
>
> Events:			_Notifier_
> Channels:		_Built-in Channel Types_
> Threads:
> File System:		_File System Access_
> Embedding Support:
> Release Engineering:	_Portability Support_
> Macintosh Stuff:	_[resource]_
> Macintosh Stuff:	_Mac-Specific Files_
> SHARED FILES
>
> this is certainly not a typical patch, as I have changed a fair number 
> of things in the mac build support that affect a lot of files (e.g. new 
> compiler, shared runtime libraries, removed the need for 
> OLDROUTINENAMES for Apple's headers, DLLEXPORT & DLLIMPORT now work as 
> on Win32, fix for encoding problem due to bug in MacCVS Pro and more) 
> which explains partially why so many files are involved but even so, 
> too many generic functional areas are touched for mac only changes IMHO.
>
> same analysis for my tk patches:
>
> generic/tkInt.decls
> generic/tkIntPlatDecls.h
> generic/tkPointer.c
> mac/MW_TkHeader.pch
> mac/MW_TkOldImgHeader.h
> mac/MW_TkTestHeader.pch
> mac/tclets.r
> mac/tkMac.h
> mac/tkMacAppearanceStubs.c
> mac/tkMacApplication.r
> mac/tkMacButton.c
> mac/tkMacFont.c
> mac/tkMacInt.h
> mac/tkMacLibrary.r
> mac/tkMacMDEF.r
> mac/tkMacMenu.c
> mac/tkMacMenus.c
> mac/tkMacPort.h
> mac/tkMacProjects.sea.hqx
> mac/tkMacResource.r
> mac/tkMacScrlbr.c
> mac/tkMacWindowMgr.c
> mac/tkMacWm.c
>
> which touch the following TIP 23 areas:
>
> Low-level Tk functions: _Basic window manipulations_
> Low-level Tk functions: _Macintosh window operations_
> Widgets: _button, checkbutton, radiobutton, label_
> Widgets: _menu, etc. (Macintosh)_
> Widgets: _scrollbar_
> Release Engineering:_Macintosh Configuration and Build Tools_
> Shells:_Drag and Drop Tclets (Macintosh)_
> Fonts:_Macintosh font support_
> SHARED FILES
>
> so things are a fair bit better for Tk, most heavily affected areas are 
> mac specific.
>
> -- ** Daniel A. Steffen          **  "And now to something completely
> ** Department of Mathematics  **   different"    Monty Python
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