Re: [TCLCORE] Is Tcl bytecode engine is also *in the far future* going to LLVM?

[Gustaf N. <ne...@wu...>]

Donal K. Fellows schrieb:
> Tomasz Kosiak wrote:
>   
>> But I do think that we may want to think about finding some funding
>> for those improvements. Python has Google who pays 2 engineers full
>> time salary. But we as Tcl community also have some companies
>> involved. None to compare with Google, but some of us can provide some
>> funds.
>>
>> Especially I was thinking about what PyPy did. In European Union there
>> are possibilities to use public funds - if you plan to release results
>> of your research project to the public you can receive 75-100%
>> financial compensation for the project.
>>     
>
> Putting together a bid for funds from the EU is non-trivial! (I should 
> know; they fund the projects that pay my salary...) But then again, I 
> only really know the research vehicles within the DG-INFSOC system; the 
> others are all ones that I've never examined in depth. But the amount of 
> bureaucracy will be high.
>   
Well, this is not only a question of paperwork and bureaucracy, but more 
a question
of fit of a *research proposal* to the "Challenges" and "Objectives" of 
the fp, and
the question of being able to set up a consortium of partners with 
shared interest
and - in the best case - with a history of successful EU framework 
projects (IST, STREP, ...).
We (the Institute of Information Systems and New Media) are 
participating currently
in several of such projects (iCAMP, Prolix, iCOPER, Ltfll, ROLE), 
currently 20 team members
are funded mostly by these projects (which are all from the technology 
enhanced learning
context, most use OpenACS and XOTcl as implementation means, but not as 
research goals).

If there is interest to pursue this idea seriously, one needs a clearly 
shaped research
challenges, which are fitting to the focus of the fp, convincing the 
project
evaluators (from academia and  industry) and having a convincing consortium
capable to solve the challenges  (the dream team).

The project proposals are evaluated on a broad basis of
items where finally the scores are summed up. The competition is
usually quite strong. For our recent ROLE-project
(Responsive Open Learning Environments, IP, 3rd call) i
have still the figures at hand: 250 Project Proposal submitted for 
technology enhanced learning, 6 get funded.
The consortium consists of 16 partners.

I don't want to discourage anybody; note that leading such a project and
setting up a strong consortium is much harder than participating in a 
project
to fit certain needs.

-gustaf neumann
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Univ.Prof. Dr. Gustaf Neumann
Institute of Information Systems and New Media
Vienna University of Business

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