tavi-devel — WikkiTikkiTavi development mailing list

Re: [Tavi-devel] Using aliases for links

[Scott M. <sm...@an...>]

Hi Ray!

Tavi's syntax for doing this is slightly different from Wikipedia's.  See:
  http://tavi.sourceforge.net/FormalFormattingRules
and especially:
  http://tavi.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=free+links

  -- Scott

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 11:59 AM, ray-nger <ray...@ya...> wrote:

> Hello!
>
> Maybe I'm not enough picking manuals, but please, help me.
>
> In Wikipedia I can use [[FooBar|Foo]] feature to make word "Foo" be linked
> to
> "FooBar" article.
> Really tihis way VERY often used in Cyryllic languages because of many
> cases of one word.
> So how can I do the same in WikkiTikkiTavi?
> --
> Thank you
> Wayfarer                   mailto:ray...@ya...
>
>
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's
> challenge
> Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great
> prizes
> Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world
> http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/
> _______________________________________________
> Tavi-devel mailing list
> Tav...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tavi-devel
>



-- 
http://scott.andstuff.org/ | http://truthadorned.org/

[Tavi-devel] Using aliases for links

[ray-nger <ray...@ya...>]

Hello!

Maybe I'm not enough picking manuals, but please, help me.

In Wikipedia I can use [[FooBar|Foo]] feature to make word "Foo" be linked to
"FooBar" article.
Really tihis way VERY often used in Cyryllic languages because of many
cases of one word.
So how can I do the same in WikkiTikkiTavi?
-- 
Thank you
Wayfarer                   mailto:ray...@ya...

[Tavi-devel] Wiki broken - Array instead of text

[Tony C. <to...@bo...>]

Something happened on my server and the wiki is broken:
http://wiki.workalone.co.uk/

can anyone suggest a place to start?

the data is intact, and edit this page retrieves it for the text area,  
but the captcha is broken on the edit pages so saves can't be made.

I could do a fresh install, but I'd rather not if it's something simple.

TIA

[Tavi-devel] tavi wiki can't work

[HDMediaBox <hdm...@gm...>]

SGVsbG8gDQoNCkkgaGF2ZSBpbnN0YWxsZWQgdGF2aSB3aWtpIG9uIG15IGhvbWUgcGMgd2hpY2gg
aXMgcnVubmluZyBGZWRvcmEgY29yZSA0LCBhcGFjaGUvcGhwNS9teXNxbC4gSSBjYW4gdmlldyB0
aGUgJEhvbWVQYWdlLCBidXQgbm8gb3RlciBhY3Rpb25zIGNhbiB0YWtlLCBjYW4gc29tZWJvZHkg
aGVscCBtZT8NCg0KDQpCZXN0IFJlZ2FyZHMhDQoNCkphY2tleSBMdg==

[Tavi-devel] Question and idea about Namespace

[MiGi <mig...@gm...>]

I've used Tavi as my knowledge base.
Everytime I want a feature in my site, I directly modify the codes to
realize my ideas.  However, I've confronted with some essential issues
when I wanted to make a translated page, which seriously affects the
page organization which will take me in trouble if my solution is
quite different from the later versions of Tavi.


The question is: How to make translated pages more organized?

The current translated pages are not well-organized.  Pages in the
same language are isolated.  I think in the future the namespace
feature should take multi-language into consideration.  Therefore,
there will be an easy way to jump to the parallel page of different
languages.  For example, TaviPatches/LocalImages in French to
TaviPatches/LocalImages in Chinese. Moreover, subpages of each
language direct to different pages, but written in the same way. So in
lang_fr namespace you link to FrWikkiTikkiTavi by writing
WikkiTikkiTavi, instead of FrWikkiTikkiTavi.

(I've post the above in http://tavi.sourceforge.net/TaviSuggestions/NameSpa=
ces
But I really need your opinions:)

=3D=3D=3D A namespace solution =3D=3D=3D
As far as I can think of, I'll use "xxx:" denoting a namespace, and
"xxx:ppp" denotes page ppp in namespace xxx. (Looks like C++ style)

Therefore if there is a page "xxx:PageOne" which writes "Please read
PageTwo", Page Two will equal to "xxx:PageTwo".  Tavi automatically
identify the preceding namespace "xxx", but in database it is saved
"xxx:PageOne" directly.

To solve the traslating issue, save translated pages in the same name
but different namespaces like "lang_xx", "lang_yy", etc.  Without
manually link your traslated page in each other-language pages.  Tavi
automatically finds out and shows you there are pages in other
languages somewhere on each page.

So, does it make sense?  Or other problems I've not noted?

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Moreover, could any Tavi official persons refresh the Tavi documents?
There are patches, plug-ins in different versions mixed together.  I
cannot tell what is the latest, and what is being patched in Tavi
0.26.

--
MiGi
http://noellab.net/migi

Re: [Tavi-devel] tavi Wiki being severely spammed

[Hermann S. <ta...@kn...>]

Am Freitag, 27. Mai 2005 10:02 schrieb Fredrik Jonsson:

> "Most CAPTCHAs don't destroy the session when the correct phrase is
> entered. So by reusing the session id of a known CAPTCHA image, it
> is possible to automate requests to a CAPTCHA-protected page."
>
> Are Tavi CAPTCHA function vulnerable to this?

Yes, I think Tavi has an issue with this. I have noticed that 
sometimes when editing many pages I get the same captcha. This seems 
to happen when I open several edit windows in browser tabs at the 
same time.

Regards,
Hermann

Re: [Tavi-devel] tavi Wiki being severely spammed

[Fredrik J. <fr...@po...>]

Jayesh Sheth 2005-05-26 20.57 -0400 wrote:

>I would recommend an 'emergency fix' of a few lines of code that 
>checks to see how many links are submitted per article, and cut them 
>off at say, 5 or 10. This would prevent current pages that currently 
>have more than 10 external links, but I am not sure how many such 
>pages exist.

+1 for this. A limit of 5 would very rarely affect normal users I belive.

>- The ability to turn CAPTCHA protection off for Intranet Wikis

I have put "UseCaptcha = 0" in the config.php file and can't remember 
needing any hacks to make it work.

Another CAPTCHA issue is this:
<http://www.puremango.co.uk/cm_breaking_captcha_115.php>
"Most CAPTCHAs don't destroy the session when the correct phrase is 
entered. So by reusing the session id of a known CAPTCHA image, it is 
possible to automate requests to a CAPTCHA-protected page."

Are Tavi CAPTCHA function vulnerable to this? Looking at the function 
action_save it looks to me like there should be something like this 
on line 37+.

else {
         $_SESSION['captcha_phrase'] = ''
       }

>- Addition of a PHP installer, instead of Perl files

I think a lot of people would like that.

On a different subject I belive the Tavi code would be easier to work 
with if it follow the same coding standard as Drupal 
<http://drupal.org/node/318>.

I could do this if there are a chance it will be committed.

Fredrik

-- 
Web site: <http://xdeb.org/wiki/Fredrik>

Re: [Tavi-devel] tavi Wiki being severly spammed

[Kimmo S. <ki...@us...>]

Hi Jay!

On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 08:57:41PM -0400, Jayesh Sheth wrote:
> Would it be okay if I posted a patch for this list, or applied that 
> patch to live Wiki. (Since I am listed as a Tavi developer on the 
> project, I think I should have access to the live Wiki files ...)

I think applying that to the live Wiki would be a good idea.  It can
always be rolled back if necessary.

Regards,
+ Kim

P.S. Who is ZYYMKCCLII.dsl.saunalahti.fi?  He/she is planning to delete
pages for us.
-- 
<A HREF="http://kimmo.suominen.com/">Kimmo Suominen</A>

[Tavi-devel] tavi Wiki being severly spammed

[Jayesh S. <jay...@ce...>]

Hello Even and others,

the Tavi Wiki is being spammed with hundreds of links to adult and other 
sites, probably by a human who is being paid to do it.

I would recommend an 'emergency fix' of a few lines of code that checks 
to see how many links are submitted per article, and cut them off at 
say, 5 or 10. This would prevent current pages that currently have more 
than 10 external links, but I am not sure how many such pages exist.

I had posted code for this some time ago to the list.

Would it be okay if I posted a patch for this list, or applied that 
patch to live Wiki. (Since I am listed as a Tavi developer on the 
project, I think I should have access to the live Wiki files ...)

I also have a list of Tavi bugs that I made. I can post that list here, 
and optionally my fixes, as I make them.

On that list are:

- Some weird session notices issues (the code tries to set a new session 
name in one place, and a notice is issued)
- The ability to turn CAPTCHA protection off for Intranet Wikis
- Addition of a PHP installer, instead of Perl files

and some other things.

Let me know what you think.

Best regards,

- Jay

Re: [Tavi-devel] Enhanced Search

[Mathew W. <in...@xm...>]

On Sat, 7 May 2005, Hermann Schwarting wrote:

> Am Montag, 2. Mai 2005 18:25 schrieb Mathew White:
>
>> I made some modifications to an install of WikkiTikkiTavi, which we
>> use here at XMission, and I thought I'd share them with you (with
>> the permission of my employer) so that others may benefit from
>> these changes.
>
> Hi,
>
> thanks a lot for this idea. I have created the page
> [ http://tavi.sourceforge.net/TaviPatches/EnhancedSearch ] for it. I
> hope that's ok for you?
>
> Have a nice day,
> Hermann

Perfect, thank you. I apologize I forgot to put a subject on my original 
message. Glad the patch may be useful :)

Mat White
XMission Internet

Re: [Tavi-devel] Enhanced Search

[Hermann S. <ta...@kn...>]

Am Montag, 2. Mai 2005 18:25 schrieb Mathew White:

> I made some modifications to an install of WikkiTikkiTavi, which we
> use here at XMission, and I thought I'd share them with you (with
> the permission of my employer) so that others may benefit from
> these changes.

Hi,

thanks a lot for this idea. I have created the page
[ http://tavi.sourceforge.net/TaviPatches/EnhancedSearch ] for it. I 
hope that's ok for you?

Have a nice day,
Hermann

Re: [Tavi-devel] function html_timestamp in tavi 0.26

[Even H. <eve...@pv...>]

On Wed, May 04, 2005 at 01:41:52PM +0200, Fredrik Jonsson wrote:
> My provider runs SuSE Linux with MySQL 4.0.18 and this code makes 
> dates show up something like "4: 2005051200", not so nice.
[...]
>  // This need more tuning according to sql_mode: MAXDB-setting,  
>  // DATETIME vs TIMESTAMP

On the web site someone stated that MySql 4.x gave some difficulties
regarding the date format. I tested it briefly on my setup, and it gave 
the same response as before. 

But I read the manuals and found that this could be changed if one
changed some options within MySql-configuration. In a temporary solution
I decided, to use the old syntax for 3.x version (which I knew worked),
and made a temporary solution to 4.x. 

And here's my point that in order to eliminate this bug I need to get
myself a test setup using MySql 4.x and that I haven't been able to do
yet. When this is up I will test out which parameters makes the
different dates appear, and then try to work around it. I believe this
issue also affects the input of dates, but I haven't been able to test
this properly yet. 

So if someone can shed the light onto the subject of when the 4.x version
returns the old date format, and when its using the new date format,
please do!  And in addition, if someone also know how this affect
inputting dates (in accordance with time zones), please inform me!

Regards,
Even Holen
-- 
<e><  Even Holen, eve...@pv..., http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~evenh/   :-)
      developer of WikkiTikkiTavi, see http://tavi.sourceforge.net/

[Tavi-devel] function html_timestamp in tavi 0.26

[Fredrik J. <fr...@po...>]

My provider runs SuSE Linux with MySQL 4.0.18 and this code makes 
dates show up something like "4: 2005051200", not so nice.

   $mysqlVer = mysql_get_server_info();
   if (!preg_match("/^4\./", $mysqlVer))
   {
     $time = mktime(substr($timestamp, 8, 2),  substr($timestamp, 10, 2),
                    substr($timestamp, 12, 2), substr($timestamp, 4, 2),
                    substr($timestamp, 6, 2),  substr($timestamp, 0, 4));
     return date('Y.m.d H:i:s', $time + $TimeZoneOff * 60);
   }
   else
   {
      This need more tuning according to sql_mode: MAXDB-setting, 
DATETIME vs TIMESTAMP
     return "4: " . $timestamp; // NOT corrected according to $TimeZoneOFf?!
   }

When I just use this code like in tavi 0.25 everything works fine.

     $time = mktime(substr($timestamp, 8, 2),  substr($timestamp, 10, 2),
                    substr($timestamp, 12, 2), substr($timestamp, 4, 2),
                    substr($timestamp, 6, 2),  substr($timestamp, 0, 4));
     return date('Y.m.d H:i:s', $time + $TimeZoneOff * 60);

Fredrik

-- 
Web site: <http://xdeb.org/wiki/Fredrik>

[Tavi-devel] (no subject)

[Mathew W. <in...@xm...>]

Hi,

I made some modifications to an install of WikkiTikkiTavi, which we use 
here at XMission, and I thought I'd share them with you (with the 
permission of my employer) so that others may benefit from these changes.

What I did was make the search function use a full-text index (when using 
MySQL, anyway), and made the search output include the full-text score and 
a short excerpt. When the search hits a full-text stop-word (e.g. 'and') 
or the full-text matches nothing, it falls back to the old search method.

Attached is a patch which contains this added functionality. I've modified 
the patch so it should work against the latest version of the software 
(we're using a slightly out-of-date version).

Here is an updated schema for the 'pages' table to accomplish the 
full-text search:

CREATE TABLE `pages` (
   `title` varchar(80) NOT NULL default '',
   `version` int(10) unsigned NOT NULL default '1',
   `time` timestamp(14) NOT NULL,
   `supercede` timestamp(14) NOT NULL,
   `mutable` set('off','on') NOT NULL default 'on',
   `username` varchar(80) default NULL,
   `author` varchar(80) NOT NULL default '',
   `comment` varchar(80) NOT NULL default '',
   `body` text,
   PRIMARY KEY  (`title`,`version`),
   FULLTEXT KEY `full` (`title`,`body`)
);

(Or "CREATE FULLTEXT INDEX full ON pages (title, body)" on an existing 
table, of course).

Mat White
XMission Internet

Re: [Tavi-devel] Tavi bug - How to prevent users from assigning the same category more than once

[Even H. <eve...@pv...>]

On Sat, Apr 23, 2005 at 12:14:48PM +0200, Bengt Eriksson wrote:
> Tavi bug - How to prevent users from assigning the same category more than 
> once.

Hmm... I can't reproduce this one. If I understand you correctly the
following should produce the bug:
* Having a page TestCategory to be the category page
* Edititing TestPages, and using add category: TestCategory
* Re-edit TestPages, and add TestCategory a second time

And now you say that TestCategory should contain _two_ references to
TestPages. This doesn't happen in version 0.25, which is the next to
last. And I didn't change this stuff in 0.26. Which version are you
running?

Regards,
Even Holen
-- 
<e><  Even Holen, eve...@pv..., http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~evenh/   :-)
      co-developer of WikkiTikkiTavi, see http://tavi.sourceforge.net/

[Tavi-devel] Tavi bug - How to prevent users from assigning the same category more than once

[Bengt E. <ben...@ho...>]

Tavi bug - How to prevent users from assigning the same category more than 
once.

Example: you create a page called "Test".
Before you save the page you assign it to a category called "TestPages".

Later on, when editing the page "Test", you might have forgotten that you 
already assigned the page to the category "TestPages", so you assign it 
again. Tavi detects this and only lists the page "Test" once inside the 
category page "TestPages". This is all good, but here is the bug:

When you assign the same category more than once, whilst also assigning 
other categories, Tavi will not detect the duplication and will then list 
the page "Test" twice inside the category page!

So; what do I need to add to "category.php" for it to prevent this from 
happening? Of course this could also be prevented if one could (while 
editing a page) see which categories are assigned to the page - but that is 
properly harder to accomplish?

Best regards,
Bengt Eriksson

Thanks for this great software!

_________________________________________________________________
Hitta rätt på nätet med MSN Sök http://search.msn.se/

Re: [Tavi-devel] advanced anti-spam protection (for CAPTCHA-literate spambots)

[Scott M. <sm...@an...>]

Jayesh,

It sounds like the spammers are adding spam by hand, rather than using
automation, which is how they're able to evade the CAPTCHA.  If that's the
case, it's unlikely that forcing someone to type in additional information
will be much more than an annoyance (unfortunately it will be an annoyance
for regular editors, too).

I do like your idea of limiting links.  The Meatball wiki silently
prevents more than four new links from being added to a page in a single
edit ("silently" because, unless you look carefully at the new page, you'll
never notice that your edit didn't take effect).  Beyond that, a "blacklist"
and "whitelist" can also be useful; Alex Schroeder has done some excellent
work with this over at CommunityWiki.

  Meatball: http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?WikiSpam
  CommunityWiki: http://www.emacswiki.org/cw/WikiSpam


  -- Scott


On Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 12:23:49PM -0400, Jayesh Sheth wrote:
> Hello Even and others,
>=20
> it seems some SPAMbots are able to read the ASCII art CAPTCHA codes. I
> tried to post this information to the Tavi Wiki, but it seems to have a
> problem currently as no new articles can be saved.
>=20
> --- BEGIN Message ---
> It seems the Chinese spammers may have found a way to parse the ASCII art
> CAPTCHA codes, since this Wiki had four of its pages recently despammed. I
> have two additional measures that can be added to make it more difficult
> for SPAMbots to ply their trade:
> 1) Use preg_match_all to test how many links exist in a given page.
> Something like:
> <code>
> $text =3D "
> http://www.yahoo.com
> http://www.amazon.com?abc=3D123&cdf=3Da+f
> http://www.cnn.com
> http://www.cnn.com
> ";
> $matches =3D array();
> $pattern =3D
> "(([a-z]{3,5})://)(([0-9a-z-]+\.)+[0-9a-z]{2,6})((/?[0-9a-z-]*)+?/?([0-9a=
-z-.]*)+?)";
> $num_links =3D preg_match_all( "#$pattern#i", $text, $matches);
>=20
> if ($num_links > 10)
> {
> 	exit('Error: too many links.');
> }
> else
> {
> 	echo "<p>Success. $num_links links were found.</p>";
> }
> </code>
> 1a) Modify the regex above to count the number of links from the same
> domain. This way, some Wiki pages that have more than 10 links to distinct
> domains will be okay.
> 2) Ask the users to a word or phrase regarding what the Wiki is about. In
> the case of this Wiki, the users will be asked to look at the logo in the
> top right corner, and enter a four lettered word that describes the topic
> of this Wiki. When a Tavi Wiki is set up, the user will asked to be choose
> this word or phrase, and hint / question text for it.
> --- END Message ---
>=20
> Best regards,
>=20
> - Jay Sheth
>=20
>=20
> -------------------------------------------------------
> SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide
> Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users.
> Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now.
> http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3D6595&alloc_id=3D14396&op=3Dclick
> _______________________________________________
> Tavi-devel mailing list
> Tav...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tavi-devel
>=20

--=20
http://scott.andstuff.org/

[Tavi-devel] advanced anti-spam protection (for CAPTCHA-literate spambots)

[Jayesh S. <jay...@ce...>]

Hello Even and others,

it seems some SPAMbots are able to read the ASCII art CAPTCHA codes. I
tried to post this information to the Tavi Wiki, but it seems to have a
problem currently as no new articles can be saved.

--- BEGIN Message ---
It seems the Chinese spammers may have found a way to parse the ASCII art
CAPTCHA codes, since this Wiki had four of its pages recently despammed. I
have two additional measures that can be added to make it more difficult
for SPAMbots to ply their trade:
1) Use preg_match_all to test how many links exist in a given page.
Something like:
<code>
$text = "
http://www.yahoo.com
http://www.amazon.com?abc=123&cdf=a+f
http://www.cnn.com
http://www.cnn.com
";
$matches = array();
$pattern =
"(([a-z]{3,5})://)(([0-9a-z-]+\.)+[0-9a-z]{2,6})((/?[0-9a-z-]*)+?/?([0-9a-z-.]*)+?)";
$num_links = preg_match_all( "#$pattern#i", $text, $matches);

if ($num_links > 10)
{
	exit('Error: too many links.');
}
else
{
	echo "<p>Success. $num_links links were found.</p>";
}
</code>
1a) Modify the regex above to count the number of links from the same
domain. This way, some Wiki pages that have more than 10 links to distinct
domains will be okay.
2) Ask the users to a word or phrase regarding what the Wiki is about. In
the case of this Wiki, the users will be asked to look at the logo in the
top right corner, and enter a four lettered word that describes the topic
of this Wiki. When a Tavi Wiki is set up, the user will asked to be choose
this word or phrase, and hint / question text for it.
--- END Message ---

Best regards,

- Jay Sheth

Re: [Tavi-devel] Why three backticks, ```?

[Scott M. <sm...@an...>]

Even,

You've hit on the reason: I was trying to avoid matching the ``quote''
notation.  Although this usage isn't common, you do see it, particularly in
FSF/GNU documents.  Your proposal would not format things properly if there
were two such quotes in a paragraph: ``quote 1'', ``quote two''.  For this
reason I'm not sure your proposal is a good idea.

Originally I wanted to copy UseMod and use the <nowiki></nowiki> notation.
But I couldn't figure out how to do that at the time.  (At the time I wasn't
aware of the non-greedy operator, or PCRE's support for it, and I didn't
look closely enough at the UseMod code to see that's what it was doing.)

I think I'm happier with ```nowiki``` than with <nowiki>x</nowiki>, because
the "spirit" of wiki seems to be avoiding SGML-like constructions.  So
when I developed Jot I stuck with the backtick notation.

That's just my counsel; I don't use 'Tavi these days and so you shouldn't
feel any obligation to me. :)


  -- Scott


On Mon, Mar 21, 2005 at 12:31:15AM +0100, Even Holen wrote:
> Hi there!
>=20
> Another question for those who have used 'Tavi some time, why is the
> syntax for not encoding something ```$UseVariable```.=20
>=20
> Most of the other syntax is double characters, like ((free links)),
> {{preformatted}}, the newer //italic// with friends.=20
>=20
> Is there any reason why we couldn't try converting to only using two
> backticks, ``, instead of three?=20
>=20
> The only reason I can think of, is related to someone being likely to
> write ``a sentence or phrase??. But is it likely that those instead
> writes ``a sentence of phrase``? (i.e. without using "a sentence or
> phrase"?)
>=20
> If I don't hear any good arguments against it, I will most likely make=20
> this change, and state that in some future version, say 0.37, the old
> syntax would be erroneous.=20
>=20
> My reasoning for doing this: Keep most of the syntax to either be one or
> several characters related to whole lines, or double characters within
> lines. If I'm not mistaken the only single within lines would be the
> [http://somewhere.com]-syntax.  (Should this also be changed? And if
> so, what do we change the  [[...]] to?)
>=20
> Do note that I want to make a SearchAndReplace which would ease changes
> to the syntax in use. And we could produce scripts for users to run, to
> make the change before upgrading to a new version of 'Tavi where the
> syntax have changed.
>=20
> What do you think?
>=20
> Regards,
> Even Holen
> --=20
> <e><  Even Holen, eve...@pv..., http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~evenh/ =
  :-)
>       co-developer of WikkiTikkiTavi, see http://tavi.sourceforge.net/
>=20
>=20
> -------------------------------------------------------
> SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide
> Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users.
> Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now.
> http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3D6595&alloc_id=3D14396&op=3Dclick
> _______________________________________________
> Tavi-devel mailing list
> Tav...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/tavi-devel
>=20

--=20
http://scott.andstuff.org/

[Tavi-devel] Why three backticks, ```?

[Even H. <eve...@pv...>]

Hi there!

Another question for those who have used 'Tavi some time, why is the
syntax for not encoding something ```$UseVariable```. 

Most of the other syntax is double characters, like ((free links)),
{{preformatted}}, the newer //italic// with friends. 

Is there any reason why we couldn't try converting to only using two
backticks, ``, instead of three? 

The only reason I can think of, is related to someone being likely to
write ``a sentence or phrase´´. But is it likely that those instead
writes ``a sentence of phrase``? (i.e. without using "a sentence or
phrase"?)

If I don't hear any good arguments against it, I will most likely make 
this change, and state that in some future version, say 0.37, the old
syntax would be erroneous. 

My reasoning for doing this: Keep most of the syntax to either be one or
several characters related to whole lines, or double characters within
lines. If I'm not mistaken the only single within lines would be the
[http://somewhere.com]-syntax.  (Should this also be changed? And if
so, what do we change the  [[...]] to?)

Do note that I want to make a SearchAndReplace which would ease changes
to the syntax in use. And we could produce scripts for users to run, to
make the change before upgrading to a new version of 'Tavi where the
syntax have changed.

What do you think?

Regards,
Even Holen
-- 
<e><  Even Holen, eve...@pv..., http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~evenh/   :-)
      co-developer of WikkiTikkiTavi, see http://tavi.sourceforge.net/

[Tavi-devel] Namespaces - How to do it?

[Even H. <eve...@pv...>]

Hi there!

Long time, no talk. And sadly, not much development either. But now I've
started doing something. Hopefully version 0.26 will be out before april
2005, and it includes some bug fixes and an anti spam meausure, as
suggested my Jay Sheth. But this email is about something different!

One of my goals is to start building sets of pages which are to be
downloaded, and uses a start base when installing 'Tavi. This gives
birth to two major questions.

1) How to import these into the fresh database?
2) How to build these sets of pages on the main site?

The first question is to be solved by the Export/Import methods which
are to be provided in one of the future versions. The base idea here is
that if you call a page, i.e MyBackup,  with the action=export, it would 
pull out all links to pages from MyBackup and return a zipped file
consisting of the raw version of these pages. Accordingly the import
function will either receive the URL of this file through parameters, or
present a form giving the opportunity to uploading this file. That's the
gist of the idea. In other words, mostly solved and just needs
implementing.

The other question is somewhat trickier, but I've seen a solution in
wikipedia which solves some of this issue, and that is namespacing. The
principle being that we denote one/several page(s) to belong to a given
namespace and all links are mapped according to this namespace. 

According to a namespace solutiont one could imagine the following
scenario: StartPages/InEnglish contains a description of which pages are
included in the English version of start pages. To keep it simple we
could have something like:
 * TaviDoc/FormattingRules
 * MainPage
 * RecentChanges
 * WikkiTikkiTavi
 * InterWiki

All these would on the main site be like:
  StartPages/InEnglish/TaviDoc/FormattingRules

and here the question comes. How does one refer to the other pages from
these pages?  Using the /MainPage would work on the first level, but not
from within .../FormattingRules. And it also wouldn't look nice?!

So my starting idea was to include some option at the start of each of
these pages stating: NameSpace=CurrentLevel, except for the
.../FormattingRules which would have NameSpace=ParentLevel (-1) 

This would change all references to WikiName to be mapped against the
current NameSpace-value. This is a great idea, I think, but has one
problem. How to refer to something on the outside of the namespace?

Using /SomeThing would/should still be considered on a neighboring
level. //SomeThing could conflict with //italic// marking. NoThing is
mapped according to name space. Do you understand the problem, and have
you gotten any suggestions as to how to solve it?

One solution, but I don't really like it, is to make another syntax
change and state that /SomeThing always maps to the root namespace, and
that one needs to use ./SomeThing to get to a neighboring page. The
reason I don't like it, is that this most likely would break existing
pages.

But then again, if we get namespace up and running it would gives us the
opportunity to export start pages in whatever language someone wants.
And it would also give the opportunity to export pages related to
different packages. We could have a small documentation package, a large
documentation package, or documentation packages on specific subjects,
like programming, tavi-development, or whatever. 

And since this is based on namespaces our users could import to wherever
they would like. Because if you imported them into the root namespace,
the 'currentLevel' would be equal to the root. And if imported at some
sub level, that's cool as well...

So I have two questions I would like some suggestions to:
A) Should we change the /SomeThing to ./SomeThing, to allow for
   /SomeThing to be mapped to the root?  And if not, how to link to
   root pages?
B) Any suggestions as to syntax of document options? I.e. what
   characters should surround the "NameSpace=CurrentLevel" option? 
   Should we use %% ... %% which are free from version 0.30? Any other
   combinations.

As to B, I've also thinked about //, ##, ¤¤, &&, §§, !!, but some of
these are not doable without making serious changes, and some of them
are maybe to exotic characters which people don't normally have on the
keyboard (¤?). 

So that's it. Any answers/suggestions to A) and B)?

Regards,
Even Holen
-- 
<e><  Even Holen, eve...@pv..., http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~evenh/   :-)
      co-developer of WikkiTikkiTavi, see http://tavi.sourceforge.net/

Re: [Tavi-devel] How to speed up the loading of a Wiki page?

[Kimmo S. <ki...@us...>]

You could try to install a PHP cache, e.g. Alternative PHP Cache (APC):

    http://apc.communityconnect.com/

This would cut down on the (repeated) compile time of PHP scripts.

Regards,
+ Kim
-- 
<A HREF="http://kimmo.suominen.com/">Kimmo Suominen</A>


On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 09:22:50AM -0500, Pro...@ao... wrote:
> 
>    Dear Colleagues
>    Does anyone have any guidance about making the loading process faster.
>    I am getting a lot of feedback about how slow the Wiki loads. HELP!
>    Peter Burgess
>    ____________
>    Peter Burgess
>    in New York
>    Tel: 212 772 6918
>    Email: mailto:pe...@af...
>    Database http://www.afrifund.com/wiki/index.pcgi?page=AfrifundDatabase
>    Coffee: http://afrifund.coffeefair.com

Re: [Tavi-devel] How to speed up the loading of a Wiki page?

[Hermann S. <ta...@kn...>]

Am Donnerstag, 16. Dezember 2004 15:22 schrieb Pro...@ao...:

> Does anyone have any guidance about making the loading process
> faster. I am getting a lot of feedback about how slow the Wiki
> loads. HELP!

These are the hints I can give:

* Make sure that the webserver and database run on the same host (this
  should be the case in most setups anyway).

* Try to link to the CSS stylesheet directly in template/common.php
  instead of going over ?action=style .

* Dispense with the logo in the upper right.

* Everytime a page is viewed the maintenance function is called to
  clean up expired pages. It should suffice to do this once a day. I
  changed lib/main.php at the very bottom to run this only when saving
  a page:

  // Expire old versions, etc.
  if($action=='save') {
    $pagestore->maintain();
  }

Please report back the outcome.

Have a nice day,
Hermann

[Tavi-devel] How to speed up the loading of a Wiki page?

[<Pro...@ao...>]

Dear Colleagues

Does anyone have any guidance about making the loading process faster. I am 
getting a lot of feedback about how slow the Wiki loads. HELP!

Peter Burgess

____________
Peter Burgess
in New York
Tel: 212 772 6918 
Email: mailto:pe...@af...
Database http://www.afrifund.com/wiki/index.pcgi?page=AfrifundDatabase
Coffee: http://afrifund.coffeefair.com

[Tavi-devel] Introductions

[Matthew H. <mat...@wo...>]

Hello all,

 

My first introduction to programming is unique.  When I was a little boy, I
loved doing magic tricks.  One of my favorites was one where I could tell a
person what number he or she was thinking based on a few yes or no
questions.  First, the person had to pick a number from one to 63
(interesting range?).  Then I would show them a succession of 5 cards, each
with a list of numbers.  The person would then say yes or no for each card
if the number they chose was on the card.  After answering all questions, I
could tell the person exactly what number they were thinking of.  AMAZING!
The cool thing was, all I had to do to know the number was to add up the
first numbers for each card they said yes to.

 

One day I showed the trick to my father (an engineer) and he recognized the
trick behind it: each card started with a certain number: 1, 2, 4, 8, 16 and
32 (sound familiar?).  He showed me how binary counting works, and how the
card trick relied on this binary counting.  I thought that was pretty cool.
Then he told me we could write a program that did the same thing as the
magic trick.  WOW.  To an 8 year old kid, teaching a computer to do magic
tricks was fascinating-at least to THIS 8 year old kid.  ;-)

 

From that point on I spent tons of time on the computer and became a serious
geek.  I'm not sure how I managed to get married.  My beautiful wife and I
just had our second anniversary.  My wife is seriously baby crazy so I hope
we can get her pregnant soon.

 

Christian is my middle name (really).  My wife and I are active in our
church-currently our calling is to take care of the toddlers in the
congregation while their parents go to Sunday School.  Last night my wife
and I went to a concert of Handel's Messiah, with traditional choir and
gospel choir mixed together-it was glorious.

 

I've spent time as an ASP / VBScript (boo!) programmer, a Java (yay!)
programmer, and in the last year I've taught myself PHP, mostly from
scouring 'Tavi code.

 

Presently I am a partner with my brothers in Woodcraft Mill & Cabinet
(http://www.woodcraftmill.com <http://www.woodcraftmill.com/> ).  We are a
large, high-end custom cabinet shop.  We are now working on a java app which
we hope will help us take over the world.  :-)

 

I'm just a youngster at 26 years old.  I'm also an arrogant, cowboy coding,
encapsulation breaking, CVS-polluting jerk.  Except for that last thing I
said.  And my jokes are REALLY FUNNY.

 

Up until now I've been an open-source freeloader.  This is my first time
getting involved in an OS project, so I hope you'll be patient with me if I
pull a major faux-pas.

 

I'm looking forward to working with everybody and helping to improve 'Tavi.

 

Have a beautiful day in your neighborhood.

 

Matthew Hall

a.k.a. Qualidafial