table-request — feature request

[Table-request] Re: table-mode, recent developments

[Tak O. <Tak...@am...>]

Surendra,

Thanks for revitalizing the project.  Subdividing the file is a good
idea.  Compared to other typical elisp packages table.el is
extraordinarily large.  I think a good division can be where the next
comment is located.

;; Worker functions (executed implicitly)

In regard to the emacs CVS, the main difference of the code from
sourceforge one is the departure from use of function advising.  In
the old package some functions are advised globally so that they can
act specially when called in a table cell.  Richard Stallman strongly
discouraged using function advising in an elisp package that comes
with emacs.  He consider advising is for users to modify the default
system behavior but not for the system implementation.  The latest
emacs has a new feature called "command remapping" and this is the
mechanism I utilize in order to eliminate the use of function advise.
Here is an excerpt from etc/NEWS.

- Command remappings are defined using `define-key' with a prefix-key
  `remap', i.e. `(define-key MAP [remap CMD] DEF)' remaps command CMD
  to definition DEF in keymap MAP.  The definition is not limited to
  another command; it can be anything accepted for a normal binding.

Regards,

-Tak

Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:09:07 -0700: <EFu...@ne...> wrote:

> Hello,
>   I have created a cvs repository and checked in some changes to the 'table.el'.
> There is also a Changes file which contains the changes which I have applied.
> 
> 
> > Tak Ota <Tak...@am...> writes:
> > I consider sourceforge version as generic table.el which runs on both
> > emacs, xemacs and supports old emacsen too.  The one in head of emacs
> > CVS is the latest but does not run on old emacs or xemacs.  Do you
> > have a good idea how to harmonize or even somehow unify them?
> 
> I have to look into the 'table.el' in the emacs CVS head to answer this question.
> 
> Right now, I think the table.el file is too huge and hard to work with, I will try to refactor the code and move out some parts in other file. 
> 
> Cheers.
> -- 
> Surendra Singhi
> 
> http://www.public.asu.edu/~sksinghi/index.html
> 
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[Table-request] table-mode, recent developments

[<EFu...@ne...>]

Hello,
  I have created a cvs repository and checked in some changes to the 'table.el'.
There is also a Changes file which contains the changes which I have applied.


> Tak Ota <Tak...@am...> writes:
> I consider sourceforge version as generic table.el which runs on both
> emacs, xemacs and supports old emacsen too.  The one in head of emacs
> CVS is the latest but does not run on old emacs or xemacs.  Do you
> have a good idea how to harmonize or even somehow unify them?

I have to look into the 'table.el' in the emacs CVS head to answer this question.

Right now, I think the table.el file is too huge and hard to work with, I will try to refactor the code and move out some parts in other file. 

Cheers.
-- 
Surendra Singhi

http://www.public.asu.edu/~sksinghi/index.html


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[Table-request] Header rows for table.el

[David G. <dgo...@bi...>]

Hello,

[Although I wrote to Mr. Ota personally about this many months ago, this is
to make the feature request "official".]

I am working on an autodocumentation tool for Python, the Python Docstring
Processing System (DPS). One component of the DPS is a parser,
reStructuredText. The reStructuredText parser will soon include support for
tables almost identical to those produced by table.el. The only difference
is that the reStructuredText tables allow for the explicit markup of the row
separator line between the table head and body, using equals signs ("=")
instead of hyphens ("-"). Only one such row separator may use "=", and it
must extend across the entire table (i.e., no row spans across the head/body
boundary). A reStructuredText table with a single head row looks like this::

    +------------------------+------------+----------+----------+
    | Header row, column 1   | Header 2   | Header 3 | Header 4 |
    | (header rows optional) |            |          |          |
    +========================+============+==========+==========+
    | body row 1, column 1   | column 2   | column 3 | column 4 |
    +------------------------+------------+----------+----------+
    | body row 2             | Cells may span columns.          |
    +------------------------+------------+---------------------+
    | body row 3             | Cells may  | - Table cells       |
    +------------------------+ span rows. | - contain           |
    | body row 4             |            | - body elements.    |
    +------------------------+------------+---------------------+

I would like to formally request that the headrow-separator feature be added
to table.el. It makes conversion to CALS tables and other models much
simpler, and makes automatic conversion of head rows possible.

I hope an experienced elisper takes an interest in this. If not, I will
eventually try to implement it, but it may take me a while.

Submitted feature request #450284:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=450284&group_id=141
37&atid=364137

Thank you.

-- 
David Goodger    dgo...@bi...    Open-source projects:
 - Python Docstring Processing System: http://docstring.sourceforge.net
 - reStructuredText: http://structuredtext.sourceforge.net
 - The Go Tools Project: http://gotools.sourceforge.net

[Table-request] Round-tripping HTML tables (and CALS tables, and etc.)

[<bg...@us...>]

This is probably more of a query than a request. I'm intrigued by the table
editing support Takaaki has implemented here. I am looking at it mainly
because I use Emacs with Psgml for creating and editing SGML, XML, and
HTML. I'm curious if there are plans, or if it's even feasible,  to be able
to convert not only to HTML (and CALS table) tables format, but from these
formats back into the format that can be edited using table.el thus
allowing one to not only ce=reate new tables and convert into HTML or XML
format, but update them as well.

Thanks, Brian Gillan

Phone: (919) 254-1765 Tie-line: 8-444-1765
GILLAN AT RALVM13 / bg...@us...
Information Technology and Strategy
Dept. E14D Bld. 500
RTP, NC

[Table-request] Re: CALS table support?

[Tak O. <Tak...@am...>]

Hi Mike,

Thanks for using table.el and giving the feedback.

Any request that has good reason to implement is welcome.  It sounds
like there are many users who benefit by implementing CALS support.
So I'll work on it.  There are two conditions I'd like to ask you.


1. Please be a beta tester and QA of the CALS implementation since I
know very little about CALS.

2. Give me some time before the first beta.  This week and next week
is quite hectic for me including trip to overseas.


Regards,

-Tak

__________________________ Original Message __________________________
Subject: CALS table support? 
Author:  Michael Smith (sm...@xm...)
Date:    06 Dec 2000 19:26:16 -0800
> 
> Tak, 
> 
> First, thanks for coming up with table.el -- great piece of work.
> 
> A couple of questions:
> 
> 1. Any plans to add support for generating CALS tables?
> 
> The CALS model, if you're not familiar with it, goes like this:
> 
>     <table>
>       <title></title>
>       <tgroup cols="2">
> 	<tbody>
> 	  <row>
> 	    <entry></entry>
> 	    <entry></entry>
> 	  </row>
> 	</tbody>
>       </tgroup>
>     </table> 
>    
> That's just about the simplest example possible. For a more complex
> example, look at this from the DocBook guide:
> 
>   http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/docbook/chapter/book/table.html#AEN114751
>    
> A sample rendering follows the example.
> 
> 
> 2. How much work would it be to add support for CALS tables? I am very
>    glad to help any way I can should you decide to add CALS.
> 
> I work much with XML (mostly in DocBook, which uses the CALS table
> model) using Emacs/psgml mode. One of the very few things psgml
> -can't- do that some other editor can is graphical table editing.
> 
> Using psgml in conjuction with table.el+CALS would really help DocBook
> users create tables much more quickly and easily.
> 
> Any thoughts on adding CALS to table.el? -- Yes, no, maybe?
> 
> Regards,
> 
>   --Mike Smith
> 
> -- 
> Michael Smith          mailto:sm...@xm...
> XML-DOC                http://www.xml-doc.org/
> 

[Table-request] CALS table support?

[Michael S. <sm...@xm...>]

Tak, 

First, thanks for coming up with table.el -- great piece of work.

A couple of questions:

1. Any plans to add support for generating CALS tables?

The CALS model, if you're not familiar with it, goes like this:

    <table>
      <title></title>
      <tgroup cols="2">
	<tbody>
	  <row>
	    <entry></entry>
	    <entry></entry>
	  </row>
	</tbody>
      </tgroup>
    </table> 
   
That's just about the simplest example possible. For a more complex
example, look at this from the DocBook guide:

  http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/docbook/chapter/book/table.html#AEN114751
   
A sample rendering follows the example.


2. How much work would it be to add support for CALS tables? I am very
   glad to help any way I can should you decide to add CALS.

I work much with XML (mostly in DocBook, which uses the CALS table
model) using Emacs/psgml mode. One of the very few things psgml
-can't- do that some other editor can is graphical table editing.

Using psgml in conjuction with table.el+CALS would really help DocBook
users create tables much more quickly and easily.

Any thoughts on adding CALS to table.el? -- Yes, no, maybe?

Regards,

  --Mike Smith

-- 
Michael Smith          mailto:sm...@xm...
XML-DOC                http://www.xml-doc.org/