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Re: [sword-app-tech] SWORD community development and support (Kathi Fletcher)
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From: Sheppard, N. <N.E...@le...> - 2013-08-02 07:36:34
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I nearly posted yesterday...but then didn't and went to EPrints-tech instead. We are in the early stages of scoping EPrints (3.3.11)...tried to hook up EasyDeposit, got a bit confused along the way but did finally get it working. Sort of.
I've a colleague in our school of art and architecture who has developed a system to manage non-textual files (video/images mainly) and we discussed pushing them to a repository via sword. As a non-programmer I find sword implementation tricky without a lot of technical support and/or easy to use tools...my colleague is a php programmer but doesn't live in repository land so at this stage I just wanted to point him in the right direction. Having used EasyDeposit before and as it's written in php(?) I thought it a good place to start...though it's just v1.3 I think and probably makes sense for us to look at v2 for full CRUD and as we're using EPrints 3.3.11. What clients/tools/implementation guides are available - had a look at Richard Jones' Java client on github but beyond my technical ken I think!
Any advice much appreciated both pitched at my limited technical nouse and how best to get my colleague started (I'll point him at the list of course!)
Thanks
Nick
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Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 10:36:27 -0500
From: Kathi Fletcher <Kat...@gm...<mailto:Kat...@gm...>>
Subject: Re: [sword-app-tech] SWORD community development and support
To: Philip Durbin <phi...@ha...<mailto:phi...@ha...>>
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<swo...@li...<mailto:swo...@li...>>, LEWIS Stuart
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Just a quick update, since the last post was about the quietness of the list. We are still actively using SWORD to deposit content to Connexionx ( cnx.org). It just works, so we haven't had much traffic on the list!
Kathi
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 8:02 AM, Philip Durbin <phi...@ha...<mailto:phi...@ha...>>wrote:
> Thanks, Stuart and Richard. My reply is inline below.
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 4:41 AM, Richard Jones
> <ri...@co...<mailto:ri...@co...>>
> wrote:
> >>> p.s. I'm growing concerned that this mailing list is so quiet (and
> >>> only admins can see the number of people subscribed). Have people
> >>> moved on from SWORD to some other standard? If so, which one?
> >>
> >> I just checked - there are 175 subscribers to this list.
>
> Thanks, Stuart. I'm glad to hear this number is as large as it is.
> Many mailing lists allow this number to be discoverable by the
> subscribers and if it's easy to do so, I would encourage making this
> change so subscribers don't have to ask.
>
> >> As far as I know, SWORD is the main contender in town when it comes
> >> to
> a standardized deposit interface to this type of repository. I've
> also wondered about the quietness of this list. I think there may be
> a few
> reasons: one, is that a lot of repository users are still grappling
> with their repositories, without yet getting as far as accepting
> remote deposits. Second, SWORD doesn't yet really have an active
> community sharing deposit tools. Partly this is because many uses of
> SWORD will be very specific point-to-point integrations, which might
> not be of interest to too many others.
> >>
> >> It would be good to hear a wider discussion about this, and how we
> share more about our individual uses of SWORD.
> >
> > I think one of the main issues is exactly where to ask about what.
> > Because SWORD is a standard, but the technical questions are really
> > about implementations, where is the best place to post about problems?
> > For example, if the problems are specifically with the DSpace
> > implementation of SWORD, it is /probably/ better to ask on dspace-dev.
>
> I'm sure as implementers begin their work many will have questions
> about the SWORD specification itself (I know I do), so I'm absolutely
> supportive of and thankful for this mailing list.
>
> > Also, because we're in the early stages of community development
> > with SWORD, Stuart and I are a bit of a bottleneck on this list -
> > usually one of us is required to respond, and if we're unavailable
> > for any length of time (e.g. I've been travelling for nearly 2 weeks
> > now, and am emailing from the fourth row of a session at OAI8 right
> > now :) ), then the list looks dead.
> >
> > We are hoping to have some discussions around sword sustainability
> > with Jisc quite soon which community development and support like
> > this is going to be a key part of.
> >
> > Very interested in people's thoughts as to how to make things better.
>
> I've mentioned this in passing but I'll repeat my offer to log an IRC
> channel on Freenode to discuss SWORD. I'm discussing implementation
> details that would not be of general interest at
> http://irclog.iq.harvard.edu/dvn/2013-07-30 for example, but a channel
> dedicated to the SWORD spec itself would be fantastic. I find chat to
> be a great way to get a quick pulse on an issue. I fear the walls of
> text I've been sending to this mailing list are simply too much at
> once. :)
>
> Anyway, I've very interested in community development in general and
> happy to help in any way I can. (I don't mean to beat a dead horse
> about IRC.) I'm learning a lot about SWORD and AtomPub and working on
> our implementation is actually a lot of fun. :)
>
> Phil
>
> p.s. In other news, we (royal we, Peter Bull, actually) are starting
> to use Richard's https://github.com/swordapp/python-client-sword2 to
> cook up a test client
> https://github.com/dvn/swordpoc/tree/master/dvn_client . We're very
> thankful for all the libraries that have been published!
>
> --
> Philip Durbin
> Software Developer for http://thedata.org
> http://www.iq.harvard.edu/people/philip-durbin
>
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