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From: Simone C. <sim...@gm...> - 2009-03-17 21:24:28
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I think only Phil will be at MIX this year. Simo 2009/3/17 Travis Illig <ti...@pa...> > Is there a Subtext meetup at MIX? > -- > Travis Illig > http://www.paraesthesia.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > _______________________________________________ > Subtext-devs mailing list > Sub...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > -- Simone Chiaretta codeclimber.net.nz Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic "Life is short, play hard" |
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From: Travis I. <ti...@pa...> - 2009-03-17 18:07:10
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Is there a Subtext meetup at MIX? -- Travis Illig http://www.paraesthesia.com |
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From: Gurkan Y. <gur...@gm...> - 2009-03-17 09:30:16
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Hi Everyone, I say it is about time that we are making this decision. It has been talked before but not done as it wasn't easy. I also vote +1 for this. SF is getting way too large and performance problems are always bugging me. Phil, could you please add me to the project there. Thanks On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 4:27 AM, Phil Haack <ph...@mi...> wrote: > How about this, let’s take the migration in steps. > > > > Step 1: > > · Move Issue Tracking to > http://code.google.com/p/subtext/issues/list > > · Move SVN to https://subtext.googlecode.com/svn/trunk > > · Use the Wiki for planning > http://code.google.com/p/subtext/w/list > > · Keep mailing list where it is > > · Keep commit emails where it is. > > · SubtextProject.com remains the location for docs > > > > Let’s see how we like that. > > I’m not so familiar with Google groups. Should we move our main discussions > there right away? > > I wonder if we can get licenses for Balsamiq for OSS purposes. I’d love to > post Balsamiq mockups to the Wiki for us to discuss as our means of > collaborating on new features. > > > > I mentioned in another thread that the bulk editing feature of Google code > is essential for my sanity in managing work items. J > > > > Does anyone know how to associate subversion commits with issues in Google > Code? > > > > Phil > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > -- Gürkan Yeniçeri Software Engineer www.analystdeveloper.com |
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From: Travis I. <ti...@pa...> - 2009-03-16 15:22:56
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I'm not looking at the code, but I'm guessing that you basically just need to set the DataSource and call DataBind on it, right? Could you do that through reflection so it doesn't matter what control type it is as long as it has those two members? -T -- Travis Illig http://www.paraesthesia.com On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Si Philp <si_...@ho...> wrote: > > Evening, > I have been playing about with the Gallery side of things for a blog entry > and discovered what I think is a limitation. The GalleryThumbNailViewer > control uses a datalist which produces some nasty tables. Even in flow mode > it's not very pretty. For a more flexible approach can we change this to a > repeater? > > I would submit the patch but thought I would put the question to you guys > first. Obviously the change is a quick one on the code side of things but > would mean any skins out there would need to be change otherwise it would > break. Suppose another option would be to give the skin author the ability > to use either a datalist or a repeater? Would appreciate any feedback :) > > kind regards > > Si > > > ..:: www.siphilp.co.uk | http://twitter.com/siphilp ::.. > > > > > ------------------------------ > Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more!<http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665230/direct/01/> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > _______________________________________________ > Subtext-devs mailing list > Sub...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > |
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From: Si P. <si_...@ho...> - 2009-03-15 18:19:24
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Evening, I have been playing about with the Gallery side of things for a blog entry and discovered what I think is a limitation. The GalleryThumbNailViewer control uses a datalist which produces some nasty tables. Even in flow mode it's not very pretty. For a more flexible approach can we change this to a repeater? I would submit the patch but thought I would put the question to you guys first. Obviously the change is a quick one on the code side of things but would mean any skins out there would need to be change otherwise it would break. Suppose another option would be to give the skin author the ability to use either a datalist or a repeater? Would appreciate any feedback :) kind regards Si ..:: www.siphilp.co.uk | http://twitter.com/siphilp ::.. _________________________________________________________________ Free photo editing software from Windows Live . Try it now! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665240/direct/01/ |
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From: Alexander Z. <al...@al...> - 2009-03-14 21:43:22
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From: Ray B. <ra...@ra...> - 2009-03-14 17:51:31
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Whats wrong with having 29,000 items in your spam folder? ;) 2009/3/14 Barry Dorrans <ba...@id...> > Too much spam, way way too much spam > > > > *From:* Steven Harman [mailto:ste...@gm...] > *Sent:* 14 March 2009 14:50 > > *To:* sub...@li... > *Subject:* Re: [Subtext-devs] Google Code... > > > > You don't use Gmail as your primary email client... masochist! :) > > -steve > > //---- 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at ----// > http://stevenharman.net/ > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Barry Dorrans <ba...@id...> wrote: > > Problem with google email lists, as far as I can see, is I cannot get them > to send emails to my primary, non-gmail account > > > > *From:* Steven Harman [mailto:ste...@gm...] > *Sent:* 13 March 2009 17:38 > *To:* sub...@li... > *Subject:* Re: [Subtext-devs] Google Code... > > > > Moving the Mailing Lists to GoogleGroups would kick ass for 1 reason right > away: You can search the ML via Google Search! :) > > -steve > > //---- 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at ----// > http://stevenharman.net/ > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Simone Chiaretta < > sim...@gm...> wrote: > > as for balsamiq... they have a OSS license for free... > > Is there a way to automatically import issues from SF? > > I'd move the ML to google code as well > > Can you add me to the Subtext project on google code? > Simo > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Phil Haack <ph...@mi...> wrote: > > How about this, let’s take the migration in steps. > > > > Step 1: > > · Move Issue Tracking to > http://code.google.com/p/subtext/issues/list > > · Move SVN to https://subtext.googlecode.com/svn/trunk > > · Use the Wiki for planning > http://code.google.com/p/subtext/w/list > > · Keep mailing list where it is > > · Keep commit emails where it is. > > · SubtextProject.com remains the location for docs > > > > Let’s see how we like that. > > I’m not so familiar with Google groups. Should we move our main discussions > there right away? > > I wonder if we can get licenses for Balsamiq for OSS purposes. I’d love to > post Balsamiq mockups to the Wiki for us to discuss as our means of > collaborating on new features. > > > > I mentioned in another thread that the bulk editing feature of Google code > is essential for my sanity in managing work items. J > > > > Does anyone know how to associate subversion commits with issues in Google > Code? > > > > Phil > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > [Sent this from the wrong address originally - Phil, skip the approval on > that one so we don't get twice my lame input. ;) ] > > I've been using Google Code for my CR_Documentor project and the simplicity > of working with it and navigating within it has, thus far, outweighed the > drawbacks of not having a bajillion features. The way the Google Code wiki > works is really my biggest complaint. They haven't nailed down all of the > cross-browser rendering issues yet and it always strikes me as odd to end > up > on that "index" page that just lists all the pages in the wiki, but > otherwise it's decent. You start with a 100MB disk quota but you can > request > an increase if needed. Your wiki, source, and downloads all contribute > toward that quota. > > I did find that setting up a Google Group to email commit notices out is > flakey. I don't know if it was a problem with Google Groups at the time or > what, but the Google Code system user was only able to send notices to the > Google Group part of the time. I set up a Yahoo Group instead and it's > working wonderfully. > > I've found that the less you try to change the way it works and instead > just > work with what they give you, the easier it is, and things just sort of > "magically" come together. > > I, too, am frustrated by CodePlex. > > I like the idea of overhauling subtextproject.com to point to various > places. That's a good idea. > > I'd be happy to work with whoever on setting up the Google Code site since > I've done it for a couple of projects. It's not too hard, but there are > little things like getting a graphic to show up on the home page or setting > up the commit change notifications that aren't totally straightforward. > > Anything to get away from the sf.net monolith is a plus. > > -T > -- > Travis Illig > http://www.paraesthesia.com > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:29 AM, Simone Chiaretta < > simone.chiaretta@gm...> wrote: > > > Yep... we need a really cool subtext site... > > I remember Simon Philps played around with a new design for the website a > > little while ago > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Steven Harman <steveharman@gm...>wrote: > > > >> Actually, you can kinda-sorta-vote for items on GoogleCode by starring > >> them, but it's not exactly the same. Also, I tend to find the > organization > >> an UX of CodePlex to be... frustrating, tho not nearly so much as > >> SourceForge! Perhaps we just need to overhaul the subtextproject.comsite > >> to be more ninject-like - having big links off to well definded > locations > >> for various resources (SVN, Build server, downloads, bugs, feature > requests, > >> Mailing Lists, etc...). > >> > >> Whatever we decided to do, I am just happy to be moving away from SF! > >> > >> -steve > >> > >> //---- 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at ----// > >> http://stevenharman.net/ > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:18 AM, Simone Chiaretta < > >> simone.chiaretta@gm...> wrote: > >> > >>> Personally I'd use Google Code only for source control and ML > >>> And I'd use Codeplex for "official" release and for the possibility to > >>> have people vote on items, and for the wiki (Sara Ford said that they > are > >>> going to implement the possibility to edit Wiki pages via metablog api, > >>> enabling rich text editing in HTML via WLW) > >>> > >>> The priority is to leave SF asap.. > >>> > >>> Simo > >>> > >>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Phil Haack <philha@mi...>wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi All, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I created an account on Google Code on the urging of Rob Conery and > >>>> after checking it out a bit, I really really like it. A couple key > features > >>>> it has: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 1. Subversion hosting > >>>> > >>>> *2. **Bulk Editing of issue trackers* > >>>> > >>>> 3. Peer Code Review feature > >>>> > >>>> 4. It’s fast and responsive > >>>> > >>>> 5. Wiki > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> That second one was really important to me for managing the items we > >>>> track per release. At this point, I’m 99% convinced we should move to > Google > >>>> Code, perhaps after Mix. Any strong objections? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Phil > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) > are > >>>> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly > and > >>>> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based > >>>> development > >>>> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > >>>> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Subtext-devs mailing list > >>>> Subtext-devs@li... > >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Simone Chiaretta > >>> codeclimber.net.nz > >>> Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic > >>> "Life is short, play hard" > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > >>> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly > and > >>> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based > >>> development > >>> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > >>> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Subtext-devs mailing list > >>> Subtext-devs@li... > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > >> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > >> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based > development > >> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > >> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Subtext-devs mailing list > >> Subtext-devs@li... > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Simone Chiaretta > > codeclimber.net.nz > > Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic > > "Life is short, play hard" > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based > development > > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > > _______________________________________________ > > Subtext-devs mailing list > > Subtext-devs@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > _______________________________________________ > Subtext-devs mailing list > > Sub...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > > > > -- > Simone Chiaretta > codeclimber.net.nz > Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic > "Life is short, play hard" > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > _______________________________________________ > Subtext-devs mailing list > Sub...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > _______________________________________________ > Subtext-devs mailing list > Sub...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > _______________________________________________ > Subtext-devs mailing list > Sub...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > -- Ray Booysen ra...@ra... |
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From: Barry D. <ba...@id...> - 2009-03-14 17:23:59
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Too much spam, way way too much spam From: Steven Harman [mailto:ste...@gm...] Sent: 14 March 2009 14:50 To: sub...@li... Subject: Re: [Subtext-devs] Google Code... You don't use Gmail as your primary email client... masochist! :) -steve //---- 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at ----// http://stevenharman.net/ On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Barry Dorrans <ba...@id...> wrote: Problem with google email lists, as far as I can see, is I cannot get them to send emails to my primary, non-gmail account From: Steven Harman [mailto:ste...@gm...] Sent: 13 March 2009 17:38 To: sub...@li... Subject: Re: [Subtext-devs] Google Code... Moving the Mailing Lists to GoogleGroups would kick ass for 1 reason right away: You can search the ML via Google Search! :) -steve //---- 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at ----// http://stevenharman.net/ On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Simone Chiaretta <sim...@gm...> wrote: as for balsamiq... they have a OSS license for free... Is there a way to automatically import issues from SF? I'd move the ML to google code as well Can you add me to the Subtext project on google code? Simo On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Phil Haack <ph...@mi...> wrote: How about this, let’s take the migration in steps. Step 1: · Move Issue Tracking to http://code.google.com/p/subtext/issues/list · Move SVN to https://subtext.googlecode.com/svn/trunk · Use the Wiki for planning http://code.google.com/p/subtext/w/list · Keep mailing list where it is · Keep commit emails where it is. · SubtextProject.com remains the location for docs Let’s see how we like that. I’m not so familiar with Google groups. Should we move our main discussions there right away? I wonder if we can get licenses for Balsamiq for OSS purposes. I’d love to post Balsamiq mockups to the Wiki for us to discuss as our means of collaborating on new features. I mentioned in another thread that the bulk editing feature of Google code is essential for my sanity in managing work items. J Does anyone know how to associate subversion commits with issues in Google Code? Phil ------------------------------------ [Sent this from the wrong address originally - Phil, skip the approval on that one so we don't get twice my lame input. ;) ] I've been using Google Code for my CR_Documentor project and the simplicity of working with it and navigating within it has, thus far, outweighed the drawbacks of not having a bajillion features. The way the Google Code wiki works is really my biggest complaint. They haven't nailed down all of the cross-browser rendering issues yet and it always strikes me as odd to end up on that "index" page that just lists all the pages in the wiki, but otherwise it's decent. You start with a 100MB disk quota but you can request an increase if needed. Your wiki, source, and downloads all contribute toward that quota. I did find that setting up a Google Group to email commit notices out is flakey. I don't know if it was a problem with Google Groups at the time or what, but the Google Code system user was only able to send notices to the Google Group part of the time. I set up a Yahoo Group instead and it's working wonderfully. I've found that the less you try to change the way it works and instead just work with what they give you, the easier it is, and things just sort of "magically" come together. I, too, am frustrated by CodePlex. I like the idea of overhauling subtextproject.com to point to various places. That's a good idea. I'd be happy to work with whoever on setting up the Google Code site since I've done it for a couple of projects. It's not too hard, but there are little things like getting a graphic to show up on the home page or setting up the commit change notifications that aren't totally straightforward. Anything to get away from the sf.net monolith is a plus. -T -- Travis Illig http://www.paraesthesia.com On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:29 AM, Simone Chiaretta < simone.chiaretta@gm...> wrote: > Yep... we need a really cool subtext site... > I remember Simon Philps played around with a new design for the website a > little while ago > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Steven Harman <steveharman@gm...>wrote: > >> Actually, you can kinda-sorta-vote for items on GoogleCode by starring >> them, but it's not exactly the same. Also, I tend to find the organization >> an UX of CodePlex to be... frustrating, tho not nearly so much as >> SourceForge! Perhaps we just need to overhaul the subtextproject.com site >> to be more ninject-like - having big links off to well definded locations >> for various resources (SVN, Build server, downloads, bugs, feature requests, >> Mailing Lists, etc...). >> >> Whatever we decided to do, I am just happy to be moving away from SF! >> >> -steve >> >> //---- 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at ----// >> http://stevenharman.net/ >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:18 AM, Simone Chiaretta < >> simone.chiaretta@gm...> wrote: >> >>> Personally I'd use Google Code only for source control and ML >>> And I'd use Codeplex for "official" release and for the possibility to >>> have people vote on items, and for the wiki (Sara Ford said that they are >>> going to implement the possibility to edit Wiki pages via metablog api, >>> enabling rich text editing in HTML via WLW) >>> >>> The priority is to leave SF asap.. >>> >>> Simo >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Phil Haack <philha@mi...>wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> >>>> I created an account on Google Code on the urging of Rob Conery and >>>> after checking it out a bit, I really really like it. A couple key features >>>> it has: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. Subversion hosting >>>> >>>> *2. **Bulk Editing of issue trackers* >>>> >>>> 3. Peer Code Review feature >>>> >>>> 4. It’s fast and responsive >>>> >>>> 5. Wiki >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> That second one was really important to me for managing the items we >>>> track per release. At this point, I’m 99% convinced we should move to Google >>>> Code, perhaps after Mix. Any strong objections? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Phil >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >>>> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >>>> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based >>>> development >>>> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >>>> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Subtext-devs mailing list >>>> Subtext-devs@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Simone Chiaretta >>> codeclimber.net.nz >>> Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic >>> "Life is short, play hard" >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >>> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >>> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based >>> development >>> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >>> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Subtext-devs mailing list >>> Subtext-devs@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development >> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >> _______________________________________________ >> Subtext-devs mailing list >> Subtext-devs@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >> >> > > > -- > Simone Chiaretta > codeclimber.net.nz > Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic > "Life is short, play hard" > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > _______________________________________________ > Subtext-devs mailing list > Subtext-devs@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com _______________________________________________ Subtext-devs mailing list Sub...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs -- Simone Chiaretta codeclimber.net.nz Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic "Life is short, play hard" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. 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From: Travis I. <ti...@pa...> - 2009-03-14 16:41:57
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I DO use Gmail as my primary client. The problem is that the ADDRESS I sent/received on wasn't Gmail. Weird stuff. On 3/14/09, Steven Harman <ste...@gm...> wrote: > You don't use Gmail as your primary email client... masochist! :) > > -steve > > //---- 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at ----// > http://stevenharman.net/ > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Barry Dorrans <ba...@id...> wrote: > >> Problem with google email lists, as far as I can see, is I cannot get >> them to send emails to my primary, non-gmail account >> >> >> >> *From:* Steven Harman [mailto:ste...@gm...] >> *Sent:* 13 March 2009 17:38 >> *To:* sub...@li... >> *Subject:* Re: [Subtext-devs] Google Code... >> >> >> >> Moving the Mailing Lists to GoogleGroups would kick ass for 1 reason right >> away: You can search the ML via Google Search! :) >> >> -steve >> >> //---- 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at ----// >> http://stevenharman.net/ >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Simone Chiaretta < >> sim...@gm...> wrote: >> >> as for balsamiq... they have a OSS license for free... >> >> Is there a way to automatically import issues from SF? >> >> I'd move the ML to google code as well >> >> Can you add me to the Subtext project on google code? >> Simo >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Phil Haack <ph...@mi...> wrote: >> >> How about this, let’s take the migration in steps. >> >> >> >> Step 1: >> >> · Move Issue Tracking to >> http://code.google.com/p/subtext/issues/list >> >> · Move SVN to https://subtext.googlecode.com/svn/trunk >> >> · Use the Wiki for planning >> http://code.google.com/p/subtext/w/list >> >> · Keep mailing list where it is >> >> · Keep commit emails where it is. >> >> · SubtextProject.com remains the location for docs >> >> >> >> Let’s see how we like that. >> >> I’m not so familiar with Google groups. Should we move our main >> discussions >> there right away? >> >> I wonder if we can get licenses for Balsamiq for OSS purposes. I’d love to >> post Balsamiq mockups to the Wiki for us to discuss as our means of >> collaborating on new features. >> >> >> >> I mentioned in another thread that the bulk editing feature of Google code >> is essential for my sanity in managing work items. J >> >> >> >> Does anyone know how to associate subversion commits with issues in Google >> Code? >> >> >> >> Phil >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> [Sent this from the wrong address originally - Phil, skip the approval on >> that one so we don't get twice my lame input. ;) ] >> >> I've been using Google Code for my CR_Documentor project and the >> simplicity >> of working with it and navigating within it has, thus far, outweighed the >> drawbacks of not having a bajillion features. The way the Google Code wiki >> works is really my biggest complaint. They haven't nailed down all of the >> cross-browser rendering issues yet and it always strikes me as odd to end >> up >> on that "index" page that just lists all the pages in the wiki, but >> otherwise it's decent. You start with a 100MB disk quota but you can >> request >> an increase if needed. Your wiki, source, and downloads all contribute >> toward that quota. >> >> I did find that setting up a Google Group to email commit notices out is >> flakey. I don't know if it was a problem with Google Groups at the time or >> what, but the Google Code system user was only able to send notices to the >> Google Group part of the time. I set up a Yahoo Group instead and it's >> working wonderfully. >> >> I've found that the less you try to change the way it works and instead >> just >> work with what they give you, the easier it is, and things just sort of >> "magically" come together. >> >> I, too, am frustrated by CodePlex. >> >> I like the idea of overhauling subtextproject.com to point to various >> places. That's a good idea. >> >> I'd be happy to work with whoever on setting up the Google Code site since >> I've done it for a couple of projects. It's not too hard, but there are >> little things like getting a graphic to show up on the home page or >> setting >> up the commit change notifications that aren't totally straightforward. >> >> Anything to get away from the sf.net monolith is a plus. >> >> -T >> -- >> Travis Illig >> http://www.paraesthesia.com >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:29 AM, Simone Chiaretta < >> simone.chiaretta@gm...> wrote: >> >> > Yep... we need a really cool subtext site... >> > I remember Simon Philps played around with a new design for the website >> > a >> > little while ago >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Steven Harman <steveharman@gm...>wrote: >> > >> >> Actually, you can kinda-sorta-vote for items on GoogleCode by starring >> >> them, but it's not exactly the same. Also, I tend to find the >> organization >> >> an UX of CodePlex to be... frustrating, tho not nearly so much as >> >> SourceForge! Perhaps we just need to overhaul the >> >> subtextproject.comsite >> >> to be more ninject-like - having big links off to well definded >> locations >> >> for various resources (SVN, Build server, downloads, bugs, feature >> requests, >> >> Mailing Lists, etc...). >> >> >> >> Whatever we decided to do, I am just happy to be moving away from SF! >> >> >> >> -steve >> >> >> >> //---- 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at ----// >> >> http://stevenharman.net/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:18 AM, Simone Chiaretta < >> >> simone.chiaretta@gm...> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Personally I'd use Google Code only for source control and ML >> >>> And I'd use Codeplex for "official" release and for the possibility to >> >>> have people vote on items, and for the wiki (Sara Ford said that they >> are >> >>> going to implement the possibility to edit Wiki pages via metablog >> >>> api, >> >>> enabling rich text editing in HTML via WLW) >> >>> >> >>> The priority is to leave SF asap.. >> >>> >> >>> Simo >> >>> >> >>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Phil Haack <philha@mi...>wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Hi All, >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> I created an account on Google Code on the urging of Rob Conery and >> >>>> after checking it out a bit, I really really like it. A couple key >> features >> >>>> it has: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> 1. Subversion hosting >> >>>> >> >>>> *2. **Bulk Editing of issue trackers* >> >>>> >> >>>> 3. Peer Code Review feature >> >>>> >> >>>> 4. It’s fast and responsive >> >>>> >> >>>> 5. Wiki >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> That second one was really important to me for managing the items we >> >>>> track per release. At this point, I’m 99% convinced we should move to >> Google >> >>>> Code, perhaps after Mix. Any strong objections? >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Phil >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>>> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) >> are >> >>>> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly >> and >> >>>> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based >> >>>> development >> >>>> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >> >>>> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Subtext-devs mailing list >> >>>> Subtext-devs@li... >> >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Simone Chiaretta >> >>> codeclimber.net.nz >> >>> Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic >> >>> "Life is short, play hard" >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) >> >>> are >> >>> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly >> and >> >>> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based >> >>> development >> >>> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >> >>> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Subtext-devs mailing list >> >>> Subtext-devs@li... >> >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >> >> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly >> >> and >> >> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based >> development >> >> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >> >> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Subtext-devs mailing list >> >> Subtext-devs@li... >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Simone Chiaretta >> > codeclimber.net.nz >> > Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic >> > "Life is short, play hard" >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >> > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >> > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based >> development >> > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >> > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Subtext-devs mailing list >> > Subtext-devs@li... >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development >> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >> _______________________________________________ >> Subtext-devs mailing list >> >> Sub...@li... >> >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Simone Chiaretta >> codeclimber.net.nz >> Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic >> "Life is short, play hard" >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development >> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >> _______________________________________________ >> Subtext-devs mailing list >> Sub...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development >> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >> _______________________________________________ >> Subtext-devs mailing list >> Sub...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >> >> > -- Sent from my mobile device -- Travis Illig http://www.paraesthesia.com |
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From: Steven H. <ste...@gm...> - 2009-03-14 14:50:02
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You don't use Gmail as your primary email client... masochist! :) -steve //---- 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at ----// http://stevenharman.net/ On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Barry Dorrans <ba...@id...> wrote: > Problem with google email lists, as far as I can see, is I cannot get > them to send emails to my primary, non-gmail account > > > > *From:* Steven Harman [mailto:ste...@gm...] > *Sent:* 13 March 2009 17:38 > *To:* sub...@li... > *Subject:* Re: [Subtext-devs] Google Code... > > > > Moving the Mailing Lists to GoogleGroups would kick ass for 1 reason right > away: You can search the ML via Google Search! :) > > -steve > > //---- 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at ----// > http://stevenharman.net/ > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Simone Chiaretta < > sim...@gm...> wrote: > > as for balsamiq... they have a OSS license for free... > > Is there a way to automatically import issues from SF? > > I'd move the ML to google code as well > > Can you add me to the Subtext project on google code? > Simo > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Phil Haack <ph...@mi...> wrote: > > How about this, let’s take the migration in steps. > > > > Step 1: > > · Move Issue Tracking to > http://code.google.com/p/subtext/issues/list > > · Move SVN to https://subtext.googlecode.com/svn/trunk > > · Use the Wiki for planning > http://code.google.com/p/subtext/w/list > > · Keep mailing list where it is > > · Keep commit emails where it is. > > · SubtextProject.com remains the location for docs > > > > Let’s see how we like that. > > I’m not so familiar with Google groups. Should we move our main discussions > there right away? > > I wonder if we can get licenses for Balsamiq for OSS purposes. I’d love to > post Balsamiq mockups to the Wiki for us to discuss as our means of > collaborating on new features. > > > > I mentioned in another thread that the bulk editing feature of Google code > is essential for my sanity in managing work items. J > > > > Does anyone know how to associate subversion commits with issues in Google > Code? > > > > Phil > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > [Sent this from the wrong address originally - Phil, skip the approval on > that one so we don't get twice my lame input. ;) ] > > I've been using Google Code for my CR_Documentor project and the simplicity > of working with it and navigating within it has, thus far, outweighed the > drawbacks of not having a bajillion features. The way the Google Code wiki > works is really my biggest complaint. They haven't nailed down all of the > cross-browser rendering issues yet and it always strikes me as odd to end > up > on that "index" page that just lists all the pages in the wiki, but > otherwise it's decent. You start with a 100MB disk quota but you can > request > an increase if needed. Your wiki, source, and downloads all contribute > toward that quota. > > I did find that setting up a Google Group to email commit notices out is > flakey. I don't know if it was a problem with Google Groups at the time or > what, but the Google Code system user was only able to send notices to the > Google Group part of the time. I set up a Yahoo Group instead and it's > working wonderfully. > > I've found that the less you try to change the way it works and instead > just > work with what they give you, the easier it is, and things just sort of > "magically" come together. > > I, too, am frustrated by CodePlex. > > I like the idea of overhauling subtextproject.com to point to various > places. That's a good idea. > > I'd be happy to work with whoever on setting up the Google Code site since > I've done it for a couple of projects. It's not too hard, but there are > little things like getting a graphic to show up on the home page or setting > up the commit change notifications that aren't totally straightforward. > > Anything to get away from the sf.net monolith is a plus. > > -T > -- > Travis Illig > http://www.paraesthesia.com > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:29 AM, Simone Chiaretta < > simone.chiaretta@gm...> wrote: > > > Yep... we need a really cool subtext site... > > I remember Simon Philps played around with a new design for the website a > > little while ago > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Steven Harman <steveharman@gm...>wrote: > > > >> Actually, you can kinda-sorta-vote for items on GoogleCode by starring > >> them, but it's not exactly the same. Also, I tend to find the > organization > >> an UX of CodePlex to be... frustrating, tho not nearly so much as > >> SourceForge! Perhaps we just need to overhaul the subtextproject.comsite > >> to be more ninject-like - having big links off to well definded > locations > >> for various resources (SVN, Build server, downloads, bugs, feature > requests, > >> Mailing Lists, etc...). > >> > >> Whatever we decided to do, I am just happy to be moving away from SF! > >> > >> -steve > >> > >> //---- 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at ----// > >> http://stevenharman.net/ > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:18 AM, Simone Chiaretta < > >> simone.chiaretta@gm...> wrote: > >> > >>> Personally I'd use Google Code only for source control and ML > >>> And I'd use Codeplex for "official" release and for the possibility to > >>> have people vote on items, and for the wiki (Sara Ford said that they > are > >>> going to implement the possibility to edit Wiki pages via metablog api, > >>> enabling rich text editing in HTML via WLW) > >>> > >>> The priority is to leave SF asap.. > >>> > >>> Simo > >>> > >>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Phil Haack <philha@mi...>wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi All, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I created an account on Google Code on the urging of Rob Conery and > >>>> after checking it out a bit, I really really like it. A couple key > features > >>>> it has: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 1. Subversion hosting > >>>> > >>>> *2. **Bulk Editing of issue trackers* > >>>> > >>>> 3. Peer Code Review feature > >>>> > >>>> 4. It’s fast and responsive > >>>> > >>>> 5. Wiki > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> That second one was really important to me for managing the items we > >>>> track per release. At this point, I’m 99% convinced we should move to > Google > >>>> Code, perhaps after Mix. Any strong objections? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Phil > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) > are > >>>> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly > and > >>>> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based > >>>> development > >>>> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > >>>> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Subtext-devs mailing list > >>>> Subtext-devs@li... > >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Simone Chiaretta > >>> codeclimber.net.nz > >>> Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic > >>> "Life is short, play hard" > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > >>> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly > and > >>> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based > >>> development > >>> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > >>> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Subtext-devs mailing list > >>> Subtext-devs@li... > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > >> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > >> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based > development > >> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > >> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Subtext-devs mailing list > >> Subtext-devs@li... > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Simone Chiaretta > > codeclimber.net.nz > > Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic > > "Life is short, play hard" > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based > development > > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > > _______________________________________________ > > Subtext-devs mailing list > > Subtext-devs@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > _______________________________________________ > Subtext-devs mailing list > > Sub...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > > > > -- > Simone Chiaretta > codeclimber.net.nz > Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic > "Life is short, play hard" > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > _______________________________________________ > Subtext-devs mailing list > Sub...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > _______________________________________________ > Subtext-devs mailing list > Sub...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > |
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From: Phil H. <ph...@mi...> - 2009-03-14 05:23:36
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CodePlex issue tracking doesn't support batch edit. And it's slooooow in comparison. From: Simone Chiaretta [mailto:sim...@gm...] Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 10:40 AM To: sub...@li... Subject: Re: [Subtext-devs] Question on how Google Code compares to CodePlex Still wondering: what about using the half and half approach that many other project adopt? GoogleCode for SVN CodePlex for issues, official releases, wiki and so on? Simo On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Steven Harman <ste...@gm...<mailto:ste...@gm...>> wrote: Agreed on SvnBridge not keeping up with the state of SVN - to be exact, SvnBridge was written to be compliant w/ SVN 1.4.2, and SVN is now at v1.5.6. And as Phil pointed out, one of the biggest improvemens in Subversion in a long time came with v1.5.0, Merge Tracking. Also, in my experiece, TFS does a piss-poor job of branching/merging even when running with native TFS clients - so via a translator/adapter (like SvnBridge), I'm not sure we could hope for much better. All of that said, yes, CodePlex's "Voting" is a hot feature and GoogleCode's "Stars" feature is only a half-implementation of it. However, I think I'd be willing to overlook that, and possible mitigate it by making it clear that staring == voting, in favor of GoogleCode's other advantages. -steve //---- 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at ----// http://stevenharman.net/ On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Phil Haack <ph...@mi...<mailto:ph...@mi...>> wrote: I've run into all sorts of problems with the bridge. I highly doubt they'll be able to keep it up to date with newer features of Subversion (and they haven't thus far). Some of the latest features of Subversion make branching and merging way better! My favorite feature of CodePlex is the voting. I love it. It's beautiful. Google Code's star feature is nice, but it's not quite par with the voting. However, if we make it very clear that we use the number of stars to help decide which items to fix first, we may be able to encourage people to use it. In terms of workflow, CodeProject doesn't support bulk edit of work items and this is essential. Every time we issue a release, I move all unfixed items to the next milestone. If I had to do this one by one, I would have to gouge my own eyes out in frustration. :) Not only that, but Google Code is fast. Editing work items. Fast! In this case, performance is a feature. Phil From: Jon Galloway [mailto:jon...@gm...<mailto:jon...@gm...>] Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 10:00 AM To: sub...@li...<mailto:sub...@li...> Subject: Re: [Subtext-devs] Question on how Google Code compares to CodePlex No, people aren't really using the stars that much. I think the UI doesn't make that obvious so no one knows that they're voting. What's the problem with the SVN bridge? You guys have used the actual hosted SVN bridge, which lets you connect directly from an SVN client as if CodePlex was running SVN with no local install, right? e.g. connect from TortoiseSVN to https://svnbridge.svn.codeplex.com/svn/ without any local install? I've used it and it worked fine, but I didn't really hammer it and run through complex patching, so I'd love to hear if there are any showstopper problems you've run into. On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Travis Illig <ti...@pa...<mailto:ti...@pa...>> wrote: Agreed. I've tried to get SvnBridge working several times and there's always some issue. You can vote on Google Code using the stars. It tracks how many people "star" each request so you can still sort by votes. Are people not using it? -T -- Travis Illig http://www.paraesthesia.com On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Simone Chiaretta <sim...@gm...<mailto:sim...@gm...>> wrote: Personally, I find the biggest issue with Codeplex to be source control... both TFS and SVN-bridge are suboptimal On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Jon Galloway <jon...@gm...<mailto:jon...@gm...>> wrote: We've actually been kicking around the idea of moving the Witty Twitter project from Google Code to CodePlex. Google Code is solid for SVN hosting and the issues list is good, but there are some downsides: 1. The biggest problem is that it filters out a lot of potential contributors. It turns your project into and "open source ASP.NET<http://ASP.NET> project" instead of an "open source ASP.NET<http://ASP.NET> project" and a lot of potential contributors either never hear about it or shy away when they see they'll have to venture outside of the Microsoft world. I think this is especially true of Microsoft employees who need - or think they'd need - legal approval to contribute to a BSD licensed project hosted by Google... Drop the same project on CodePlex and dual license it under MS-PL and I think you'd get a lot more interest from the Microsoft world. Not sure if this lines up with your experience with SubText, but we've had almost zero interest from the WPF devlopment community for Witty, while WPF projects on CodePlex generally do. 2. The separation of issues and discussions is a problem. People use our Google Code site, but don't subscribe to the discussion list on Google Groups. On CodePlex, they're integrated. 3. Voting is a key factor. On Google Code, we've got 200+ issues and it's not at all easy to prioritize them. So - I'm selfishly very interested in what the problems are with CodePlex. I haven't really used it since the SVN support was set it - is it incomplete? Are there other issues I should worry about? - Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. 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From: Jacob P. <gt...@gm...> - 2009-03-14 01:11:52
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Ah. That makes sense then. Thanks for the link. My use of Codeplex hasn't been that complex so I haven't bumped into any svn issues there. On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Travis Illig <ti...@pa...>wrote: > They host SvnBridge on the back end. > > http://blogs.msdn.com/codeplex/archive/2008/09/14/codeplex-launches-support-for-tortoisesvn.aspx > > -T > > -- > Travis Illig > http://www.paraesthesia.com > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Jacob Proffitt <gt...@gm...>wrote: > >> Question about that. I used to use SvnBridge on my pc that'd run as a >> service listening on a redirect port that allowed svn access to Codeplex. >> That is no longer the case. I noticed a week or two ago that you can now use >> an Url like https://subtext.svn.codeplex.com/svn right in TortoiseSvn and >> it works just fine. My question is: does Codeplex use SvnBridge in the back >> end so I just don't see it any more? Is that what you mean? Or is this >> complaint left over from the days when you had to run SvnBridge locally? >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Steven Harman <ste...@gm...>wrote: >> >>> Agreed on SvnBridge not keeping up with the state of SVN - to be exact, >>> SvnBridge was written to be compliant w/ SVN 1.4.2, and SVN is now at >>> v1.5.6. And as Phil pointed out, one of the biggest improvemens in >>> Subversion in a long time came with v1.5.0, Merge Tracking. >>> >>> Also, in my experiece, TFS does a piss-poor job of branching/merging even >>> when running with native TFS clients - so via a translator/adapter (like >>> SvnBridge), I'm not sure we could hope for much better. >>> >>> All of that said, yes, CodePlex's "Voting" is a hot feature and >>> GoogleCode's "Stars" feature is only a half-implementation of it. However, I >>> think I'd be willing to overlook that, and possible mitigate it by making it >>> clear that staring == voting, in favor of GoogleCode's other advantages. >>> >>> -steve >>> >>> //---- 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at ----// >>> http://stevenharman.net/ >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Phil Haack <ph...@mi...>wrote: >>> >>>> I’ve run into all sorts of problems with the bridge. I highly doubt >>>> they’ll be able to keep it up to date with newer features of Subversion (and >>>> they haven’t thus far). Some of the latest features of Subversion make >>>> branching and merging *way better*! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> My favorite feature of CodePlex is the voting. I love it. It’s >>>> beautiful. Google Code’s star feature is nice, but it’s not quite par with >>>> the voting. However, if we make it very clear that we use the number of >>>> stars to help decide which items to fix first, we may be able to encourage >>>> people to use it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In terms of workflow, CodeProject doesn’t support bulk edit of work >>>> items and this is *essential*. Every time we issue a release, I move >>>> all unfixed items to the next milestone. If I had to do this one by one, I >>>> would have to gouge my own eyes out in frustration. J >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Not only that, but Google Code is *fast*. Editing work items. *Fast*! >>>> In this case, performance is a feature. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Phil >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Jon Galloway [mailto:jon...@gm...] >>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2009 10:00 AM >>>> *To:* sub...@li... >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Subtext-devs] Question on how Google Code compares to >>>> CodePlex >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No, people aren't really using the stars that much. I think the UI >>>> doesn't make that obvious so no one knows that they're voting. >>>> >>>> What's the problem with the SVN bridge? You guys have used the actual >>>> hosted SVN bridge, which lets you connect directly from an SVN client as if >>>> CodePlex was running SVN with no local install, right? e.g. connect from >>>> TortoiseSVN to https://svnbridge.svn.codeplex.com/svn/ without any >>>> local install? I've used it and it worked fine, but I didn't really hammer >>>> it and run through complex patching, so I'd love to hear if there are any >>>> showstopper problems you've run into. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Travis Illig <ti...@pa...> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Agreed. I've tried to get SvnBridge working several times and there's >>>> always some issue. >>>> >>>> You can vote on Google Code using the stars. It tracks how many people >>>> "star" each request so you can still sort by votes. Are people not using it? >>>> >>>> -T >>>> -- >>>> Travis Illig >>>> http://www.paraesthesia.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Simone Chiaretta < >>>> sim...@gm...> wrote: >>>> >>>> Personally, I find the biggest issue with Codeplex to be source >>>> control... >>>> both TFS and SVN-bridge are suboptimal >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Jon Galloway <jon...@gm...> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> We've actually been kicking around the idea of moving the Witty >>>> Twitter project from Google Code to CodePlex. Google Code is solid for SVN >>>> hosting and the issues list is good, but there are some downsides: >>>> >>>> 1. The biggest problem is that it filters out a lot of potential >>>> contributors. It turns your project into and "*open source* ASP.NET<http://asp.net/>project" instead of an "open source >>>> *ASP.NET <http://asp.net/> project*" and a lot of potential >>>> contributors either never hear about it or shy away when they see they'll >>>> have to venture outside of the Microsoft world. I think this is especially >>>> true of Microsoft employees who need - or think they'd need - legal approval >>>> to contribute to a BSD licensed project hosted by Google... Drop the same >>>> project on CodePlex and dual license it under MS-PL and I think you'd get a >>>> lot more interest from the Microsoft world. Not sure if this lines up with >>>> your experience with SubText, but we've had almost zero interest from the >>>> WPF devlopment community for Witty, while WPF projects on CodePlex generally >>>> do. >>>> 2. The separation of issues and discussions is a problem. People use >>>> our Google Code site, but don't subscribe to the discussion list on Google >>>> Groups. On CodePlex, they're integrated. >>>> 3. Voting is a key factor. On Google Code, we've got 200+ issues and >>>> it's not at all easy to prioritize them. >>>> >>>> So - I'm selfishly very interested in what the problems are with >>>> CodePlex. I haven't really used it since the SVN support was set it - is it >>>> incomplete? Are there other issues I should worry about? >>>> >>>> - Jon >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >>>> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >>>> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based >>>> development >>>> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >>>> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Subtext-devs mailing list >>>> Sub...@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Simone Chiaretta >>>> codeclimber.net.nz >>>> Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic >>>> "Life is short, play hard" >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >>>> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >>>> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based >>>> development >>>> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >>>> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Subtext-devs mailing list >>>> Sub...@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >>>> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >>>> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based >>>> development >>>> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >>>> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Subtext-devs mailing list >>>> Sub...@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >>>> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >>>> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based >>>> development >>>> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >>>> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Subtext-devs mailing list >>>> Sub...@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >>> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >>> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based >>> development >>> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >>> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Subtext-devs mailing list >>> Sub...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development >> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >> _______________________________________________ >> Subtext-devs mailing list >> Sub...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > _______________________________________________ > Subtext-devs mailing list > Sub...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > |
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From: Travis I. <ti...@pa...> - 2009-03-13 23:37:58
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They host SvnBridge on the back end. http://blogs.msdn.com/codeplex/archive/2008/09/14/codeplex-launches-support-for-tortoisesvn.aspx -T -- Travis Illig http://www.paraesthesia.com On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Jacob Proffitt <gt...@gm...> wrote: > Question about that. I used to use SvnBridge on my pc that'd run as a > service listening on a redirect port that allowed svn access to Codeplex. > That is no longer the case. I noticed a week or two ago that you can now use > an Url like https://subtext.svn.codeplex.com/svn right in TortoiseSvn and > it works just fine. My question is: does Codeplex use SvnBridge in the back > end so I just don't see it any more? Is that what you mean? Or is this > complaint left over from the days when you had to run SvnBridge locally? > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Steven Harman <ste...@gm...>wrote: > >> Agreed on SvnBridge not keeping up with the state of SVN - to be exact, >> SvnBridge was written to be compliant w/ SVN 1.4.2, and SVN is now at >> v1.5.6. And as Phil pointed out, one of the biggest improvemens in >> Subversion in a long time came with v1.5.0, Merge Tracking. >> >> Also, in my experiece, TFS does a piss-poor job of branching/merging even >> when running with native TFS clients - so via a translator/adapter (like >> SvnBridge), I'm not sure we could hope for much better. >> >> All of that said, yes, CodePlex's "Voting" is a hot feature and >> GoogleCode's "Stars" feature is only a half-implementation of it. However, I >> think I'd be willing to overlook that, and possible mitigate it by making it >> clear that staring == voting, in favor of GoogleCode's other advantages. >> >> -steve >> >> //---- 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at ----// >> http://stevenharman.net/ >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Phil Haack <ph...@mi...> wrote: >> >>> I’ve run into all sorts of problems with the bridge. I highly doubt >>> they’ll be able to keep it up to date with newer features of Subversion (and >>> they haven’t thus far). Some of the latest features of Subversion make >>> branching and merging *way better*! >>> >>> >>> >>> My favorite feature of CodePlex is the voting. I love it. It’s beautiful. >>> Google Code’s star feature is nice, but it’s not quite par with the voting. >>> However, if we make it very clear that we use the number of stars to help >>> decide which items to fix first, we may be able to encourage people to use >>> it. >>> >>> >>> >>> In terms of workflow, CodeProject doesn’t support bulk edit of work items >>> and this is *essential*. Every time we issue a release, I move all >>> unfixed items to the next milestone. If I had to do this one by one, I would >>> have to gouge my own eyes out in frustration. J >>> >>> >>> >>> Not only that, but Google Code is *fast*. Editing work items. *Fast*! In >>> this case, performance is a feature. >>> >>> >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Jon Galloway [mailto:jon...@gm...] >>> *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2009 10:00 AM >>> *To:* sub...@li... >>> *Subject:* Re: [Subtext-devs] Question on how Google Code compares to >>> CodePlex >>> >>> >>> >>> No, people aren't really using the stars that much. I think the UI >>> doesn't make that obvious so no one knows that they're voting. >>> >>> What's the problem with the SVN bridge? You guys have used the actual >>> hosted SVN bridge, which lets you connect directly from an SVN client as if >>> CodePlex was running SVN with no local install, right? e.g. connect from >>> TortoiseSVN to https://svnbridge.svn.codeplex.com/svn/ without any local >>> install? I've used it and it worked fine, but I didn't really hammer it and >>> run through complex patching, so I'd love to hear if there are any >>> showstopper problems you've run into. >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Travis Illig <ti...@pa...> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Agreed. I've tried to get SvnBridge working several times and there's >>> always some issue. >>> >>> You can vote on Google Code using the stars. It tracks how many people >>> "star" each request so you can still sort by votes. Are people not using it? >>> >>> -T >>> -- >>> Travis Illig >>> http://www.paraesthesia.com >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Simone Chiaretta < >>> sim...@gm...> wrote: >>> >>> Personally, I find the biggest issue with Codeplex to be source >>> control... >>> both TFS and SVN-bridge are suboptimal >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Jon Galloway <jon...@gm...> >>> wrote: >>> >>> We've actually been kicking around the idea of moving the Witty Twitter >>> project from Google Code to CodePlex. Google Code is solid for SVN hosting >>> and the issues list is good, but there are some downsides: >>> >>> 1. The biggest problem is that it filters out a lot of potential >>> contributors. It turns your project into and "*open source* ASP.NET<http://asp.net/>project" instead of an "open source >>> *ASP.NET <http://asp.net/> project*" and a lot of potential >>> contributors either never hear about it or shy away when they see they'll >>> have to venture outside of the Microsoft world. I think this is especially >>> true of Microsoft employees who need - or think they'd need - legal approval >>> to contribute to a BSD licensed project hosted by Google... Drop the same >>> project on CodePlex and dual license it under MS-PL and I think you'd get a >>> lot more interest from the Microsoft world. Not sure if this lines up with >>> your experience with SubText, but we've had almost zero interest from the >>> WPF devlopment community for Witty, while WPF projects on CodePlex generally >>> do. >>> 2. The separation of issues and discussions is a problem. People use >>> our Google Code site, but don't subscribe to the discussion list on Google >>> Groups. On CodePlex, they're integrated. >>> 3. Voting is a key factor. On Google Code, we've got 200+ issues and >>> it's not at all easy to prioritize them. >>> >>> So - I'm selfishly very interested in what the problems are with >>> CodePlex. I haven't really used it since the SVN support was set it - is it >>> incomplete? Are there other issues I should worry about? >>> >>> - Jon >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >>> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >>> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based >>> development >>> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >>> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Subtext-devs mailing list >>> Sub...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Simone Chiaretta >>> codeclimber.net.nz >>> Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic >>> "Life is short, play hard" >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >>> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >>> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based >>> development >>> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >>> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Subtext-devs mailing list >>> Sub...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >>> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >>> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based >>> development >>> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >>> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Subtext-devs mailing list >>> Sub...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >>> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >>> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based >>> development >>> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >>> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Subtext-devs mailing list >>> Sub...@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development >> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >> _______________________________________________ >> Subtext-devs mailing list >> Sub...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > _______________________________________________ > Subtext-devs mailing list > Sub...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > |
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From: Jacob P. <gt...@gm...> - 2009-03-13 23:31:15
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Question about that. I used to use SvnBridge on my pc that'd run as a service listening on a redirect port that allowed svn access to Codeplex. That is no longer the case. I noticed a week or two ago that you can now use an Url like https://subtext.svn.codeplex.com/svn right in TortoiseSvn and it works just fine. My question is: does Codeplex use SvnBridge in the back end so I just don't see it any more? Is that what you mean? Or is this complaint left over from the days when you had to run SvnBridge locally? On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Steven Harman <ste...@gm...>wrote: > Agreed on SvnBridge not keeping up with the state of SVN - to be exact, > SvnBridge was written to be compliant w/ SVN 1.4.2, and SVN is now at > v1.5.6. And as Phil pointed out, one of the biggest improvemens in > Subversion in a long time came with v1.5.0, Merge Tracking. > > Also, in my experiece, TFS does a piss-poor job of branching/merging even > when running with native TFS clients - so via a translator/adapter (like > SvnBridge), I'm not sure we could hope for much better. > > All of that said, yes, CodePlex's "Voting" is a hot feature and > GoogleCode's "Stars" feature is only a half-implementation of it. However, I > think I'd be willing to overlook that, and possible mitigate it by making it > clear that staring == voting, in favor of GoogleCode's other advantages. > > -steve > > //---- 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at ----// > http://stevenharman.net/ > > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Phil Haack <ph...@mi...> wrote: > >> I’ve run into all sorts of problems with the bridge. I highly doubt >> they’ll be able to keep it up to date with newer features of Subversion (and >> they haven’t thus far). Some of the latest features of Subversion make >> branching and merging *way better*! >> >> >> >> My favorite feature of CodePlex is the voting. I love it. It’s beautiful. >> Google Code’s star feature is nice, but it’s not quite par with the voting. >> However, if we make it very clear that we use the number of stars to help >> decide which items to fix first, we may be able to encourage people to use >> it. >> >> >> >> In terms of workflow, CodeProject doesn’t support bulk edit of work items >> and this is *essential*. Every time we issue a release, I move all >> unfixed items to the next milestone. If I had to do this one by one, I would >> have to gouge my own eyes out in frustration. J >> >> >> >> Not only that, but Google Code is *fast*. Editing work items. *Fast*! In >> this case, performance is a feature. >> >> >> >> Phil >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Jon Galloway [mailto:jon...@gm...] >> *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2009 10:00 AM >> *To:* sub...@li... >> *Subject:* Re: [Subtext-devs] Question on how Google Code compares to >> CodePlex >> >> >> >> No, people aren't really using the stars that much. I think the UI doesn't >> make that obvious so no one knows that they're voting. >> >> What's the problem with the SVN bridge? You guys have used the actual >> hosted SVN bridge, which lets you connect directly from an SVN client as if >> CodePlex was running SVN with no local install, right? e.g. connect from >> TortoiseSVN to https://svnbridge.svn.codeplex.com/svn/ without any local >> install? I've used it and it worked fine, but I didn't really hammer it and >> run through complex patching, so I'd love to hear if there are any >> showstopper problems you've run into. >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Travis Illig <ti...@pa...> >> wrote: >> >> Agreed. I've tried to get SvnBridge working several times and there's >> always some issue. >> >> You can vote on Google Code using the stars. It tracks how many people >> "star" each request so you can still sort by votes. Are people not using it? >> >> -T >> -- >> Travis Illig >> http://www.paraesthesia.com >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Simone Chiaretta < >> sim...@gm...> wrote: >> >> Personally, I find the biggest issue with Codeplex to be source control... >> both TFS and SVN-bridge are suboptimal >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Jon Galloway <jon...@gm...> >> wrote: >> >> We've actually been kicking around the idea of moving the Witty Twitter >> project from Google Code to CodePlex. Google Code is solid for SVN hosting >> and the issues list is good, but there are some downsides: >> >> 1. The biggest problem is that it filters out a lot of potential >> contributors. It turns your project into and "*open source* ASP.NET<http://asp.net/>project" instead of an "open source >> *ASP.NET <http://asp.net/> project*" and a lot of potential >> contributors either never hear about it or shy away when they see they'll >> have to venture outside of the Microsoft world. I think this is especially >> true of Microsoft employees who need - or think they'd need - legal approval >> to contribute to a BSD licensed project hosted by Google... Drop the same >> project on CodePlex and dual license it under MS-PL and I think you'd get a >> lot more interest from the Microsoft world. Not sure if this lines up with >> your experience with SubText, but we've had almost zero interest from the >> WPF devlopment community for Witty, while WPF projects on CodePlex generally >> do. >> 2. The separation of issues and discussions is a problem. People use >> our Google Code site, but don't subscribe to the discussion list on Google >> Groups. On CodePlex, they're integrated. >> 3. Voting is a key factor. On Google Code, we've got 200+ issues and >> it's not at all easy to prioritize them. >> >> So - I'm selfishly very interested in what the problems are with CodePlex. >> I haven't really used it since the SVN support was set it - is it >> incomplete? Are there other issues I should worry about? >> >> - Jon >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development >> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >> _______________________________________________ >> Subtext-devs mailing list >> Sub...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Simone Chiaretta >> codeclimber.net.nz >> Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic >> "Life is short, play hard" >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development >> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >> _______________________________________________ >> Subtext-devs mailing list >> Sub...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development >> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >> _______________________________________________ >> Subtext-devs mailing list >> Sub...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development >> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >> _______________________________________________ >> Subtext-devs mailing list >> Sub...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > _______________________________________________ > Subtext-devs mailing list > Sub...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > |
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From: Jacob P. <gt...@gm...> - 2009-03-13 23:23:29
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Codeplex now has native svn access enabled. No need to run svnbridge. On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Simone Chiaretta < sim...@gm...> wrote: > Personally, I find the biggest issue with Codeplex to be source control... > both TFS and SVN-bridge are suboptimal > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Jon Galloway <jon...@gm...>wrote: > >> We've actually been kicking around the idea of moving the Witty Twitter >> project from Google Code to CodePlex. Google Code is solid for SVN hosting >> and the issues list is good, but there are some downsides: >> >> 1. The biggest problem is that it filters out a lot of potential >> contributors. It turns your project into and "*open source* ASP.NET<http://asp.net/>project" instead of an "open source >> *ASP.NET <http://asp.net/> project*" and a lot of potential >> contributors either never hear about it or shy away when they see they'll >> have to venture outside of the Microsoft world. I think this is especially >> true of Microsoft employees who need - or think they'd need - legal approval >> to contribute to a BSD licensed project hosted by Google... Drop the same >> project on CodePlex and dual license it under MS-PL and I think you'd get a >> lot more interest from the Microsoft world. Not sure if this lines up with >> your experience with SubText, but we've had almost zero interest from the >> WPF devlopment community for Witty, while WPF projects on CodePlex generally >> do. >> 2. The separation of issues and discussions is a problem. People use >> our Google Code site, but don't subscribe to the discussion list on Google >> Groups. On CodePlex, they're integrated. >> 3. Voting is a key factor. On Google Code, we've got 200+ issues and >> it's not at all easy to prioritize them. >> >> So - I'm selfishly very interested in what the problems are with CodePlex. >> I haven't really used it since the SVN support was set it - is it >> incomplete? Are there other issues I should worry about? >> >> - Jon >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development >> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >> _______________________________________________ >> Subtext-devs mailing list >> Sub...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >> >> > > > -- > Simone Chiaretta > codeclimber.net.nz > Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic > "Life is short, play hard" > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > _______________________________________________ > Subtext-devs mailing list > Sub...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > |
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From: Ray B. <ra...@ra...> - 2009-03-13 20:56:40
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That and the poor performance of codeplex. So often its either down or seconds of response time. On 3/13/09, Phil Haack <ph...@mi...> wrote: > I've run into all sorts of problems with the bridge. I highly doubt they'll > be able to keep it up to date with newer features of Subversion (and they > haven't thus far). Some of the latest features of Subversion make branching > and merging way better! > > My favorite feature of CodePlex is the voting. I love it. It's beautiful. > Google Code's star feature is nice, but it's not quite par with the voting. > However, if we make it very clear that we use the number of stars to help > decide which items to fix first, we may be able to encourage people to use > it. > > In terms of workflow, CodeProject doesn't support bulk edit of work items > and this is essential. Every time we issue a release, I move all unfixed > items to the next milestone. If I had to do this one by one, I would have to > gouge my own eyes out in frustration. :) > > Not only that, but Google Code is fast. Editing work items. Fast! In this > case, performance is a feature. > > Phil > > > From: Jon Galloway [mailto:jon...@gm...] > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 10:00 AM > To: sub...@li... > Subject: Re: [Subtext-devs] Question on how Google Code compares to CodePlex > > No, people aren't really using the stars that much. I think the UI doesn't > make that obvious so no one knows that they're voting. > > What's the problem with the SVN bridge? You guys have used the actual hosted > SVN bridge, which lets you connect directly from an SVN client as if > CodePlex was running SVN with no local install, right? e.g. connect from > TortoiseSVN to https://svnbridge.svn.codeplex.com/svn/ without any local > install? I've used it and it worked fine, but I didn't really hammer it and > run through complex patching, so I'd love to hear if there are any > showstopper problems you've run into. > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Travis Illig > <ti...@pa...<mailto:ti...@pa...>> wrote: > Agreed. I've tried to get SvnBridge working several times and there's always > some issue. > > You can vote on Google Code using the stars. It tracks how many people > "star" each request so you can still sort by votes. Are people not using it? > > -T > -- > Travis Illig > http://www.paraesthesia.com > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Simone Chiaretta > <sim...@gm...<mailto:sim...@gm...>> wrote: > Personally, I find the biggest issue with Codeplex to be source control... > both TFS and SVN-bridge are suboptimal > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Jon Galloway > <jon...@gm...<mailto:jon...@gm...>> wrote: > We've actually been kicking around the idea of moving the Witty Twitter > project from Google Code to CodePlex. Google Code is solid for SVN hosting > and the issues list is good, but there are some downsides: > > 1. The biggest problem is that it filters out a lot of potential > contributors. It turns your project into and "open source > ASP.NET<http://ASP.NET> project" instead of an "open source > ASP.NET<http://ASP.NET> project" and a lot of potential contributors either > never hear about it or shy away when they see they'll have to venture > outside of the Microsoft world. I think this is especially true of Microsoft > employees who need - or think they'd need - legal approval to contribute to > a BSD licensed project hosted by Google... Drop the same project on CodePlex > and dual license it under MS-PL and I think you'd get a lot more interest > from the Microsoft world. Not sure if this lines up with your experience > with SubText, but we've had almost zero interest from the WPF devlopment > community for Witty, while WPF projects on CodePlex generally do. > 2. The separation of issues and discussions is a problem. People use our > Google Code site, but don't subscribe to the discussion list on Google > Groups. On CodePlex, they're integrated. > 3. Voting is a key factor. On Google Code, we've got 200+ issues and it's > not at all easy to prioritize them. > So - I'm selfishly very interested in what the problems are with CodePlex. I > haven't really used it since the SVN support was set it - is it incomplete? > Are there other issues I should worry about? > > - Jon > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > _______________________________________________ > Subtext-devs mailing list > Sub...@li...<mailto:Sub...@li...> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > > > -- > Simone Chiaretta > codeclimber.net.nz<http://codeclimber.net.nz> > Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic > "Life is short, play hard" > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > _______________________________________________ > Subtext-devs mailing list > Sub...@li...<mailto:Sub...@li...> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > _______________________________________________ > Subtext-devs mailing list > Sub...@li...<mailto:Sub...@li...> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > -- Ray Booysen ra...@ra... |
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From: Travis I. <tra...@gm...> - 2009-03-13 18:52:24
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I've had that same problem. That's why I ended up moving to Yahoo Groups for my lists. -- Travis Illig http://www.paraesthesia.com On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Barry Dorrans <ba...@id...> wrote: > Problem with google email lists, as far as I can see, is I cannot get > them to send emails to my primary, non-gmail account > > > > *From:* Steven Harman [mailto:ste...@gm...] > *Sent:* 13 March 2009 17:38 > *To:* sub...@li... > *Subject:* Re: [Subtext-devs] Google Code... > > > > Moving the Mailing Lists to GoogleGroups would kick ass for 1 reason right > away: You can search the ML via Google Search! :) > > -steve > > //---- 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at ----// > http://stevenharman.net/ > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Simone Chiaretta < > sim...@gm...> wrote: > > as for balsamiq... they have a OSS license for free... > > Is there a way to automatically import issues from SF? > > I'd move the ML to google code as well > > Can you add me to the Subtext project on google code? > Simo > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Phil Haack <ph...@mi...> wrote: > > How about this, let’s take the migration in steps. > > > > Step 1: > > · Move Issue Tracking to > http://code.google.com/p/subtext/issues/list > > · Move SVN to https://subtext.googlecode.com/svn/trunk > > · Use the Wiki for planning > http://code.google.com/p/subtext/w/list > > · Keep mailing list where it is > > · Keep commit emails where it is. > > · SubtextProject.com remains the location for docs > > > > Let’s see how we like that. > > I’m not so familiar with Google groups. Should we move our main discussions > there right away? > > I wonder if we can get licenses for Balsamiq for OSS purposes. I’d love to > post Balsamiq mockups to the Wiki for us to discuss as our means of > collaborating on new features. > > > > I mentioned in another thread that the bulk editing feature of Google code > is essential for my sanity in managing work items. J > > > > Does anyone know how to associate subversion commits with issues in Google > Code? > > > > Phil > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > [Sent this from the wrong address originally - Phil, skip the approval on > that one so we don't get twice my lame input. ;) ] > > I've been using Google Code for my CR_Documentor project and the simplicity > of working with it and navigating within it has, thus far, outweighed the > drawbacks of not having a bajillion features. The way the Google Code wiki > works is really my biggest complaint. They haven't nailed down all of the > cross-browser rendering issues yet and it always strikes me as odd to end > up > on that "index" page that just lists all the pages in the wiki, but > otherwise it's decent. You start with a 100MB disk quota but you can > request > an increase if needed. Your wiki, source, and downloads all contribute > toward that quota. > > I did find that setting up a Google Group to email commit notices out is > flakey. I don't know if it was a problem with Google Groups at the time or > what, but the Google Code system user was only able to send notices to the > Google Group part of the time. I set up a Yahoo Group instead and it's > working wonderfully. > > I've found that the less you try to change the way it works and instead > just > work with what they give you, the easier it is, and things just sort of > "magically" come together. > > I, too, am frustrated by CodePlex. > > I like the idea of overhauling subtextproject.com to point to various > places. That's a good idea. > > I'd be happy to work with whoever on setting up the Google Code site since > I've done it for a couple of projects. It's not too hard, but there are > little things like getting a graphic to show up on the home page or setting > up the commit change notifications that aren't totally straightforward. > > Anything to get away from the sf.net monolith is a plus. > > -T > -- > Travis Illig > http://www.paraesthesia.com > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:29 AM, Simone Chiaretta < > simone.chiaretta@gm...> wrote: > > > Yep... we need a really cool subtext site... > > I remember Simon Philps played around with a new design for the website a > > little while ago > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Steven Harman <steveharman@gm...>wrote: > > > >> Actually, you can kinda-sorta-vote for items on GoogleCode by starring > >> them, but it's not exactly the same. Also, I tend to find the > organization > >> an UX of CodePlex to be... frustrating, tho not nearly so much as > >> SourceForge! Perhaps we just need to overhaul the subtextproject.comsite > >> to be more ninject-like - having big links off to well definded > locations > >> for various resources (SVN, Build server, downloads, bugs, feature > requests, > >> Mailing Lists, etc...). > >> > >> Whatever we decided to do, I am just happy to be moving away from SF! > >> > >> -steve > >> > >> //---- 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at ----// > >> http://stevenharman.net/ > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:18 AM, Simone Chiaretta < > >> simone.chiaretta@gm...> wrote: > >> > >>> Personally I'd use Google Code only for source control and ML > >>> And I'd use Codeplex for "official" release and for the possibility to > >>> have people vote on items, and for the wiki (Sara Ford said that they > are > >>> going to implement the possibility to edit Wiki pages via metablog api, > >>> enabling rich text editing in HTML via WLW) > >>> > >>> The priority is to leave SF asap.. > >>> > >>> Simo > >>> > >>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Phil Haack <philha@mi...>wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi All, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I created an account on Google Code on the urging of Rob Conery and > >>>> after checking it out a bit, I really really like it. A couple key > features > >>>> it has: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 1. Subversion hosting > >>>> > >>>> *2. **Bulk Editing of issue trackers* > >>>> > >>>> 3. Peer Code Review feature > >>>> > >>>> 4. It’s fast and responsive > >>>> > >>>> 5. Wiki > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> That second one was really important to me for managing the items we > >>>> track per release. At this point, I’m 99% convinced we should move to > Google > >>>> Code, perhaps after Mix. Any strong objections? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Phil > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) > are > >>>> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly > and > >>>> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based > >>>> development > >>>> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > >>>> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Subtext-devs mailing list > >>>> Subtext-devs@li... > >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Simone Chiaretta > >>> codeclimber.net.nz > >>> Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic > >>> "Life is short, play hard" > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > >>> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly > and > >>> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based > >>> development > >>> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > >>> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Subtext-devs mailing list > >>> Subtext-devs@li... > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > >> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > >> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based > development > >> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > >> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Subtext-devs mailing list > >> Subtext-devs@li... > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Simone Chiaretta > > codeclimber.net.nz > > Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic > > "Life is short, play hard" > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based > development > > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > > _______________________________________________ > > Subtext-devs mailing list > > Subtext-devs@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > _______________________________________________ > Subtext-devs mailing list > > Sub...@li... > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > > > > -- > Simone Chiaretta > codeclimber.net.nz > Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic > "Life is short, play hard" > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > _______________________________________________ > Subtext-devs mailing list > Sub...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > _______________________________________________ > Subtext-devs mailing list > Sub...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > |
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From: Barry D. <ba...@id...> - 2009-03-13 18:50:11
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Problem with google email lists, as far as I can see, is I cannot get them to send emails to my primary, non-gmail account From: Steven Harman [mailto:ste...@gm...] Sent: 13 March 2009 17:38 To: sub...@li... Subject: Re: [Subtext-devs] Google Code... Moving the Mailing Lists to GoogleGroups would kick ass for 1 reason right away: You can search the ML via Google Search! :) -steve //---- 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at ----// http://stevenharman.net/ On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Simone Chiaretta <sim...@gm...> wrote: as for balsamiq... they have a OSS license for free... Is there a way to automatically import issues from SF? I'd move the ML to google code as well Can you add me to the Subtext project on google code? Simo On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Phil Haack <ph...@mi...> wrote: How about this, let’s take the migration in steps. Step 1: · Move Issue Tracking to http://code.google.com/p/subtext/issues/list · Move SVN to https://subtext.googlecode.com/svn/trunk · Use the Wiki for planning http://code.google.com/p/subtext/w/list · Keep mailing list where it is · Keep commit emails where it is. · SubtextProject.com remains the location for docs Let’s see how we like that. I’m not so familiar with Google groups. Should we move our main discussions there right away? I wonder if we can get licenses for Balsamiq for OSS purposes. I’d love to post Balsamiq mockups to the Wiki for us to discuss as our means of collaborating on new features. I mentioned in another thread that the bulk editing feature of Google code is essential for my sanity in managing work items. J Does anyone know how to associate subversion commits with issues in Google Code? Phil ------------------------------------ [Sent this from the wrong address originally - Phil, skip the approval on that one so we don't get twice my lame input. ;) ] I've been using Google Code for my CR_Documentor project and the simplicity of working with it and navigating within it has, thus far, outweighed the drawbacks of not having a bajillion features. The way the Google Code wiki works is really my biggest complaint. They haven't nailed down all of the cross-browser rendering issues yet and it always strikes me as odd to end up on that "index" page that just lists all the pages in the wiki, but otherwise it's decent. You start with a 100MB disk quota but you can request an increase if needed. Your wiki, source, and downloads all contribute toward that quota. I did find that setting up a Google Group to email commit notices out is flakey. I don't know if it was a problem with Google Groups at the time or what, but the Google Code system user was only able to send notices to the Google Group part of the time. I set up a Yahoo Group instead and it's working wonderfully. I've found that the less you try to change the way it works and instead just work with what they give you, the easier it is, and things just sort of "magically" come together. I, too, am frustrated by CodePlex. I like the idea of overhauling subtextproject.com to point to various places. That's a good idea. I'd be happy to work with whoever on setting up the Google Code site since I've done it for a couple of projects. It's not too hard, but there are little things like getting a graphic to show up on the home page or setting up the commit change notifications that aren't totally straightforward. Anything to get away from the sf.net monolith is a plus. -T -- Travis Illig http://www.paraesthesia.com On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:29 AM, Simone Chiaretta < simone.chiaretta@gm...> wrote: > Yep... we need a really cool subtext site... > I remember Simon Philps played around with a new design for the website a > little while ago > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Steven Harman <steveharman@gm...>wrote: > >> Actually, you can kinda-sorta-vote for items on GoogleCode by starring >> them, but it's not exactly the same. Also, I tend to find the organization >> an UX of CodePlex to be... frustrating, tho not nearly so much as >> SourceForge! Perhaps we just need to overhaul the subtextproject.com site >> to be more ninject-like - having big links off to well definded locations >> for various resources (SVN, Build server, downloads, bugs, feature requests, >> Mailing Lists, etc...). >> >> Whatever we decided to do, I am just happy to be moving away from SF! >> >> -steve >> >> //---- 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at ----// >> http://stevenharman.net/ >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:18 AM, Simone Chiaretta < >> simone.chiaretta@gm...> wrote: >> >>> Personally I'd use Google Code only for source control and ML >>> And I'd use Codeplex for "official" release and for the possibility to >>> have people vote on items, and for the wiki (Sara Ford said that they are >>> going to implement the possibility to edit Wiki pages via metablog api, >>> enabling rich text editing in HTML via WLW) >>> >>> The priority is to leave SF asap.. >>> >>> Simo >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Phil Haack <philha@mi...>wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> >>>> I created an account on Google Code on the urging of Rob Conery and >>>> after checking it out a bit, I really really like it. A couple key features >>>> it has: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. Subversion hosting >>>> >>>> *2. **Bulk Editing of issue trackers* >>>> >>>> 3. Peer Code Review feature >>>> >>>> 4. It’s fast and responsive >>>> >>>> 5. Wiki >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> That second one was really important to me for managing the items we >>>> track per release. At this point, I’m 99% convinced we should move to Google >>>> Code, perhaps after Mix. Any strong objections? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Phil >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >>>> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >>>> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based >>>> development >>>> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >>>> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Subtext-devs mailing list >>>> Subtext-devs@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Simone Chiaretta >>> codeclimber.net.nz >>> Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic >>> "Life is short, play hard" >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >>> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >>> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based >>> development >>> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >>> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Subtext-devs mailing list >>> Subtext-devs@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development >> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >> _______________________________________________ >> Subtext-devs mailing list >> Subtext-devs@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >> >> > > > -- > Simone Chiaretta > codeclimber.net.nz > Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic > "Life is short, play hard" > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > _______________________________________________ > Subtext-devs mailing list > Subtext-devs@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com _______________________________________________ Subtext-devs mailing list Sub...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs -- Simone Chiaretta codeclimber.net.nz Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic "Life is short, play hard" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com _______________________________________________ Subtext-devs mailing list Sub...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs |
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From: Simone C. <sim...@gm...> - 2009-03-13 17:40:35
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Still wondering: what about using the half and half approach that many other project adopt? GoogleCode for SVN CodePlex for issues, official releases, wiki and so on? Simo On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Steven Harman <ste...@gm...>wrote: > Agreed on SvnBridge not keeping up with the state of SVN - to be exact, > SvnBridge was written to be compliant w/ SVN 1.4.2, and SVN is now at > v1.5.6. And as Phil pointed out, one of the biggest improvemens in > Subversion in a long time came with v1.5.0, Merge Tracking. > > Also, in my experiece, TFS does a piss-poor job of branching/merging even > when running with native TFS clients - so via a translator/adapter (like > SvnBridge), I'm not sure we could hope for much better. > > All of that said, yes, CodePlex's "Voting" is a hot feature and > GoogleCode's "Stars" feature is only a half-implementation of it. However, I > think I'd be willing to overlook that, and possible mitigate it by making it > clear that staring == voting, in favor of GoogleCode's other advantages. > > -steve > > //---- 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at ----// > http://stevenharman.net/ > > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Phil Haack <ph...@mi...> wrote: > >> I’ve run into all sorts of problems with the bridge. I highly doubt >> they’ll be able to keep it up to date with newer features of Subversion (and >> they haven’t thus far). Some of the latest features of Subversion make >> branching and merging *way better*! >> >> >> >> My favorite feature of CodePlex is the voting. I love it. It’s beautiful. >> Google Code’s star feature is nice, but it’s not quite par with the voting. >> However, if we make it very clear that we use the number of stars to help >> decide which items to fix first, we may be able to encourage people to use >> it. >> >> >> >> In terms of workflow, CodeProject doesn’t support bulk edit of work items >> and this is *essential*. Every time we issue a release, I move all >> unfixed items to the next milestone. If I had to do this one by one, I would >> have to gouge my own eyes out in frustration. J >> >> >> >> Not only that, but Google Code is *fast*. Editing work items. *Fast*! In >> this case, performance is a feature. >> >> >> >> Phil >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Jon Galloway [mailto:jon...@gm...] >> *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2009 10:00 AM >> *To:* sub...@li... >> *Subject:* Re: [Subtext-devs] Question on how Google Code compares to >> CodePlex >> >> >> >> No, people aren't really using the stars that much. I think the UI doesn't >> make that obvious so no one knows that they're voting. >> >> What's the problem with the SVN bridge? You guys have used the actual >> hosted SVN bridge, which lets you connect directly from an SVN client as if >> CodePlex was running SVN with no local install, right? e.g. connect from >> TortoiseSVN to https://svnbridge.svn.codeplex.com/svn/ without any local >> install? I've used it and it worked fine, but I didn't really hammer it and >> run through complex patching, so I'd love to hear if there are any >> showstopper problems you've run into. >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Travis Illig <ti...@pa...> >> wrote: >> >> Agreed. I've tried to get SvnBridge working several times and there's >> always some issue. >> >> You can vote on Google Code using the stars. It tracks how many people >> "star" each request so you can still sort by votes. Are people not using it? >> >> -T >> -- >> Travis Illig >> http://www.paraesthesia.com >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Simone Chiaretta < >> sim...@gm...> wrote: >> >> Personally, I find the biggest issue with Codeplex to be source control... >> both TFS and SVN-bridge are suboptimal >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Jon Galloway <jon...@gm...> >> wrote: >> >> We've actually been kicking around the idea of moving the Witty Twitter >> project from Google Code to CodePlex. Google Code is solid for SVN hosting >> and the issues list is good, but there are some downsides: >> >> 1. The biggest problem is that it filters out a lot of potential >> contributors. It turns your project into and "*open source* ASP.NETproject" instead of an "open source >> *ASP.NET project*" and a lot of potential contributors either never >> hear about it or shy away when they see they'll have to venture outside of >> the Microsoft world. I think this is especially true of Microsoft employees >> who need - or think they'd need - legal approval to contribute to a BSD >> licensed project hosted by Google... Drop the same project on CodePlex and >> dual license it under MS-PL and I think you'd get a lot more interest from >> the Microsoft world. Not sure if this lines up with your experience with >> SubText, but we've had almost zero interest from the WPF devlopment >> community for Witty, while WPF projects on CodePlex generally do. >> 2. The separation of issues and discussions is a problem. People use >> our Google Code site, but don't subscribe to the discussion list on Google >> Groups. On CodePlex, they're integrated. >> 3. Voting is a key factor. On Google Code, we've got 200+ issues and >> it's not at all easy to prioritize them. >> >> So - I'm selfishly very interested in what the problems are with CodePlex. >> I haven't really used it since the SVN support was set it - is it >> incomplete? Are there other issues I should worry about? >> >> - Jon >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development >> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >> _______________________________________________ >> Subtext-devs mailing list >> Sub...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Simone Chiaretta >> codeclimber.net.nz >> Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic >> "Life is short, play hard" >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development >> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >> _______________________________________________ >> Subtext-devs mailing list >> Sub...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development >> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >> _______________________________________________ >> Subtext-devs mailing list >> Sub...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development >> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >> _______________________________________________ >> Subtext-devs mailing list >> Sub...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > _______________________________________________ > Subtext-devs mailing list > Sub...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > -- Simone Chiaretta codeclimber.net.nz Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic "Life is short, play hard" |
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From: Steven H. <ste...@gm...> - 2009-03-13 17:38:15
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Moving the Mailing Lists to GoogleGroups would kick ass for 1 reason right away: You can search the ML via Google Search! :) -steve //---- 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at ----// http://stevenharman.net/ On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Simone Chiaretta < sim...@gm...> wrote: > as for balsamiq... they have a OSS license for free... > > Is there a way to automatically import issues from SF? > > I'd move the ML to google code as well > > Can you add me to the Subtext project on google code? > Simo > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Phil Haack <ph...@mi...> wrote: > >> How about this, let’s take the migration in steps. >> >> >> >> Step 1: >> >> · Move Issue Tracking to >> http://code.google.com/p/subtext/issues/list >> >> · Move SVN to https://subtext.googlecode.com/svn/trunk >> >> · Use the Wiki for planning >> http://code.google.com/p/subtext/w/list >> >> · Keep mailing list where it is >> >> · Keep commit emails where it is. >> >> · SubtextProject.com remains the location for docs >> >> >> >> Let’s see how we like that. >> >> I’m not so familiar with Google groups. Should we move our main >> discussions there right away? >> >> I wonder if we can get licenses for Balsamiq for OSS purposes. I’d love to >> post Balsamiq mockups to the Wiki for us to discuss as our means of >> collaborating on new features. >> >> >> >> I mentioned in another thread that the bulk editing feature of Google code >> is essential for my sanity in managing work items. J >> >> >> >> Does anyone know how to associate subversion commits with issues in Google >> Code? >> >> >> >> Phil >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> [Sent this from the wrong address originally - Phil, skip the approval on >> that one so we don't get twice my lame input. ;) ] >> >> I've been using Google Code for my CR_Documentor project and the >> simplicity >> of working with it and navigating within it has, thus far, outweighed the >> drawbacks of not having a bajillion features. The way the Google Code wiki >> works is really my biggest complaint. They haven't nailed down all of the >> cross-browser rendering issues yet and it always strikes me as odd to end >> up >> on that "index" page that just lists all the pages in the wiki, but >> otherwise it's decent. You start with a 100MB disk quota but you can >> request >> an increase if needed. Your wiki, source, and downloads all contribute >> toward that quota. >> >> I did find that setting up a Google Group to email commit notices out is >> flakey. I don't know if it was a problem with Google Groups at the time or >> what, but the Google Code system user was only able to send notices to the >> Google Group part of the time. I set up a Yahoo Group instead and it's >> working wonderfully. >> >> I've found that the less you try to change the way it works and instead >> just >> work with what they give you, the easier it is, and things just sort of >> "magically" come together. >> >> I, too, am frustrated by CodePlex. >> >> I like the idea of overhauling subtextproject.com to point to various >> places. That's a good idea. >> >> I'd be happy to work with whoever on setting up the Google Code site since >> I've done it for a couple of projects. It's not too hard, but there are >> little things like getting a graphic to show up on the home page or >> setting >> up the commit change notifications that aren't totally straightforward. >> >> Anything to get away from the sf.net monolith is a plus. >> >> -T >> -- >> Travis Illig >> http://www.paraesthesia.com >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:29 AM, Simone Chiaretta < >> simone.chiaretta@gm...> wrote: >> >> > Yep... we need a really cool subtext site... >> > I remember Simon Philps played around with a new design for the website >> a >> > little while ago >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Steven Harman <steveharman@gm. >> ..>wrote: >> > >> >> Actually, you can kinda-sorta-vote for items on GoogleCode by starring >> >> them, but it's not exactly the same. Also, I tend to find the >> organization >> >> an UX of CodePlex to be... frustrating, tho not nearly so much as >> >> SourceForge! Perhaps we just need to overhaul the subtextproject.comsite >> >> to be more ninject-like - having big links off to well definded >> locations >> >> for various resources (SVN, Build server, downloads, bugs, feature >> requests, >> >> Mailing Lists, etc...). >> >> >> >> Whatever we decided to do, I am just happy to be moving away from SF! >> >> >> >> -steve >> >> >> >> //---- 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at ----// >> >> http://stevenharman.net/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:18 AM, Simone Chiaretta < >> >> simone.chiaretta@gm...> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Personally I'd use Google Code only for source control and ML >> >>> And I'd use Codeplex for "official" release and for the possibility to >> >>> have people vote on items, and for the wiki (Sara Ford said that they >> are >> >>> going to implement the possibility to edit Wiki pages via metablog >> api, >> >>> enabling rich text editing in HTML via WLW) >> >>> >> >>> The priority is to leave SF asap.. >> >>> >> >>> Simo >> >>> >> >>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Phil Haack <philha@mi...>wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Hi All, >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> I created an account on Google Code on the urging of Rob Conery and >> >>>> after checking it out a bit, I really really like it. A couple key >> features >> >>>> it has: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> 1. Subversion hosting >> >>>> >> >>>> *2. **Bulk Editing of issue trackers* >> >>>> >> >>>> 3. Peer Code Review feature >> >>>> >> >>>> 4. It’s fast and responsive >> >>>> >> >>>> 5. Wiki >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> That second one was really important to me for managing the items we >> >>>> track per release. At this point, I’m 99% convinced we should move to >> Google >> >>>> Code, perhaps after Mix. Any strong objections? >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Phil >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>>> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) >> are >> >>>> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly >> and >> >>>> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based >> >>>> development >> >>>> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >> >>>> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Subtext-devs mailing list >> >>>> Subtext-devs@li... >> >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Simone Chiaretta >> >>> codeclimber.net.nz >> >>> Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic >> >>> "Life is short, play hard" >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) >> are >> >>> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly >> and >> >>> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based >> >>> development >> >>> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >> >>> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Subtext-devs mailing list >> >>> Subtext-devs@li... >> >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >> >> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly >> and >> >> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based >> development >> >> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >> >> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Subtext-devs mailing list >> >> Subtext-devs@li... >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Simone Chiaretta >> > codeclimber.net.nz >> > Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic >> > "Life is short, play hard" >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >> > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >> > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based >> development >> > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >> > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Subtext-devs mailing list >> > Subtext-devs@li... >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >> > >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development >> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >> _______________________________________________ >> Subtext-devs mailing list >> Sub...@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >> >> > > > -- > Simone Chiaretta > codeclimber.net.nz > Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic > "Life is short, play hard" > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > _______________________________________________ > Subtext-devs mailing list > Sub...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > |
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From: Travis I. <ti...@pa...> - 2009-03-13 17:36:35
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I've only found a one-way association for changeset-to-issue, and it's sort of loose... but if you put "issue #XX" (with the issue number) in the Subversion commit comment, it'll automatically link to the correct issue in the database. You can see an example of it here: http://code.google.com/p/cr-documentor/source/detail?r=232 That ability - to put "issue #XX" in text and have it link to the issue DB - exists throughout your Google Code site. It works in wiki pages, on the home page, etc. I haven't found a way to link the issue back to the changeset without adding the information as a comment when you close the issue. -T -- Travis Illig http://www.paraesthesia.com On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Phil Haack <ph...@mi...> wrote: > How about this, let’s take the migration in steps. > > > > Step 1: > > · Move Issue Tracking to > http://code.google.com/p/subtext/issues/list > > · Move SVN to https://subtext.googlecode.com/svn/trunk > > · Use the Wiki for planning > http://code.google.com/p/subtext/w/list > > · Keep mailing list where it is > > · Keep commit emails where it is. > > · SubtextProject.com remains the location for docs > > > > Let’s see how we like that. > > I’m not so familiar with Google groups. Should we move our main discussions > there right away? > > I wonder if we can get licenses for Balsamiq for OSS purposes. I’d love to > post Balsamiq mockups to the Wiki for us to discuss as our means of > collaborating on new features. > > > > I mentioned in another thread that the bulk editing feature of Google code > is essential for my sanity in managing work items. J > > > > Does anyone know how to associate subversion commits with issues in Google > Code? > > > > Phil > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > [Sent this from the wrong address originally - Phil, skip the approval on > that one so we don't get twice my lame input. ;) ] > > I've been using Google Code for my CR_Documentor project and the simplicity > of working with it and navigating within it has, thus far, outweighed the > drawbacks of not having a bajillion features. The way the Google Code wiki > works is really my biggest complaint. They haven't nailed down all of the > cross-browser rendering issues yet and it always strikes me as odd to end > up > on that "index" page that just lists all the pages in the wiki, but > otherwise it's decent. You start with a 100MB disk quota but you can > request > an increase if needed. Your wiki, source, and downloads all contribute > toward that quota. > > I did find that setting up a Google Group to email commit notices out is > flakey. I don't know if it was a problem with Google Groups at the time or > what, but the Google Code system user was only able to send notices to the > Google Group part of the time. I set up a Yahoo Group instead and it's > working wonderfully. > > I've found that the less you try to change the way it works and instead > just > work with what they give you, the easier it is, and things just sort of > "magically" come together. > > I, too, am frustrated by CodePlex. > > I like the idea of overhauling subtextproject.com to point to various > places. That's a good idea. > > I'd be happy to work with whoever on setting up the Google Code site since > I've done it for a couple of projects. It's not too hard, but there are > little things like getting a graphic to show up on the home page or setting > up the commit change notifications that aren't totally straightforward. > > Anything to get away from the sf.net monolith is a plus. > > -T > -- > Travis Illig > http://www.paraesthesia.com > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:29 AM, Simone Chiaretta < > simone.chiaretta@gm...> wrote: > > > Yep... we need a really cool subtext site... > > I remember Simon Philps played around with a new design for the website a > > little while ago > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Steven Harman <steveharman@gm...>wrote: > > > >> Actually, you can kinda-sorta-vote for items on GoogleCode by starring > >> them, but it's not exactly the same. Also, I tend to find the > organization > >> an UX of CodePlex to be... frustrating, tho not nearly so much as > >> SourceForge! Perhaps we just need to overhaul the subtextproject.comsite > >> to be more ninject-like - having big links off to well definded > locations > >> for various resources (SVN, Build server, downloads, bugs, feature > requests, > >> Mailing Lists, etc...). > >> > >> Whatever we decided to do, I am just happy to be moving away from SF! > >> > >> -steve > >> > >> //---- 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at ----// > >> http://stevenharman.net/ > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:18 AM, Simone Chiaretta < > >> simone.chiaretta@gm...> wrote: > >> > >>> Personally I'd use Google Code only for source control and ML > >>> And I'd use Codeplex for "official" release and for the possibility to > >>> have people vote on items, and for the wiki (Sara Ford said that they > are > >>> going to implement the possibility to edit Wiki pages via metablog api, > >>> enabling rich text editing in HTML via WLW) > >>> > >>> The priority is to leave SF asap.. > >>> > >>> Simo > >>> > >>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Phil Haack <philha@mi...>wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi All, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I created an account on Google Code on the urging of Rob Conery and > >>>> after checking it out a bit, I really really like it. A couple key > features > >>>> it has: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 1. Subversion hosting > >>>> > >>>> *2. **Bulk Editing of issue trackers* > >>>> > >>>> 3. Peer Code Review feature > >>>> > >>>> 4. It’s fast and responsive > >>>> > >>>> 5. Wiki > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> That second one was really important to me for managing the items we > >>>> track per release. At this point, I’m 99% convinced we should move to > Google > >>>> Code, perhaps after Mix. Any strong objections? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Phil > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) > are > >>>> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly > and > >>>> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based > >>>> development > >>>> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > >>>> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Subtext-devs mailing list > >>>> Subtext-devs@li... > >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Simone Chiaretta > >>> codeclimber.net.nz > >>> Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic > >>> "Life is short, play hard" > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > >>> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly > and > >>> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based > >>> development > >>> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > >>> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Subtext-devs mailing list > >>> Subtext-devs@li... > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > >> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > >> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based > development > >> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > >> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Subtext-devs mailing list > >> Subtext-devs@li... > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Simone Chiaretta > > codeclimber.net.nz > > Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic > > "Life is short, play hard" > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based > development > > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > > _______________________________________________ > > Subtext-devs mailing list > > Subtext-devs@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > _______________________________________________ > Subtext-devs mailing list > Sub...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > |
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From: Steven H. <ste...@gm...> - 2009-03-13 17:35:17
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Agreed on SvnBridge not keeping up with the state of SVN - to be exact, SvnBridge was written to be compliant w/ SVN 1.4.2, and SVN is now at v1.5.6. And as Phil pointed out, one of the biggest improvemens in Subversion in a long time came with v1.5.0, Merge Tracking. Also, in my experiece, TFS does a piss-poor job of branching/merging even when running with native TFS clients - so via a translator/adapter (like SvnBridge), I'm not sure we could hope for much better. All of that said, yes, CodePlex's "Voting" is a hot feature and GoogleCode's "Stars" feature is only a half-implementation of it. However, I think I'd be willing to overlook that, and possible mitigate it by making it clear that staring == voting, in favor of GoogleCode's other advantages. -steve //---- 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at ----// http://stevenharman.net/ On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Phil Haack <ph...@mi...> wrote: > I’ve run into all sorts of problems with the bridge. I highly doubt > they’ll be able to keep it up to date with newer features of Subversion (and > they haven’t thus far). Some of the latest features of Subversion make > branching and merging *way better*! > > > > My favorite feature of CodePlex is the voting. I love it. It’s beautiful. > Google Code’s star feature is nice, but it’s not quite par with the voting. > However, if we make it very clear that we use the number of stars to help > decide which items to fix first, we may be able to encourage people to use > it. > > > > In terms of workflow, CodeProject doesn’t support bulk edit of work items > and this is *essential*. Every time we issue a release, I move all unfixed > items to the next milestone. If I had to do this one by one, I would have to > gouge my own eyes out in frustration. J > > > > Not only that, but Google Code is *fast*. Editing work items. *Fast*! In > this case, performance is a feature. > > > > Phil > > > > > > *From:* Jon Galloway [mailto:jon...@gm...] > *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2009 10:00 AM > *To:* sub...@li... > *Subject:* Re: [Subtext-devs] Question on how Google Code compares to > CodePlex > > > > No, people aren't really using the stars that much. I think the UI doesn't > make that obvious so no one knows that they're voting. > > What's the problem with the SVN bridge? You guys have used the actual > hosted SVN bridge, which lets you connect directly from an SVN client as if > CodePlex was running SVN with no local install, right? e.g. connect from > TortoiseSVN to https://svnbridge.svn.codeplex.com/svn/ without any local > install? I've used it and it worked fine, but I didn't really hammer it and > run through complex patching, so I'd love to hear if there are any > showstopper problems you've run into. > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Travis Illig <ti...@pa...> > wrote: > > Agreed. I've tried to get SvnBridge working several times and there's > always some issue. > > You can vote on Google Code using the stars. It tracks how many people > "star" each request so you can still sort by votes. Are people not using it? > > -T > -- > Travis Illig > http://www.paraesthesia.com > > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Simone Chiaretta < > sim...@gm...> wrote: > > Personally, I find the biggest issue with Codeplex to be source control... > both TFS and SVN-bridge are suboptimal > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Jon Galloway <jon...@gm...> > wrote: > > We've actually been kicking around the idea of moving the Witty Twitter > project from Google Code to CodePlex. Google Code is solid for SVN hosting > and the issues list is good, but there are some downsides: > > 1. The biggest problem is that it filters out a lot of potential > contributors. It turns your project into and "*open source* ASP.NETproject" instead of an "open source > *ASP.NET project*" and a lot of potential contributors either never > hear about it or shy away when they see they'll have to venture outside of > the Microsoft world. I think this is especially true of Microsoft employees > who need - or think they'd need - legal approval to contribute to a BSD > licensed project hosted by Google... Drop the same project on CodePlex and > dual license it under MS-PL and I think you'd get a lot more interest from > the Microsoft world. Not sure if this lines up with your experience with > SubText, but we've had almost zero interest from the WPF devlopment > community for Witty, while WPF projects on CodePlex generally do. > 2. The separation of issues and discussions is a problem. People use > our Google Code site, but don't subscribe to the discussion list on Google > Groups. On CodePlex, they're integrated. > 3. Voting is a key factor. On Google Code, we've got 200+ issues and > it's not at all easy to prioritize them. > > So - I'm selfishly very interested in what the problems are with CodePlex. > I haven't really used it since the SVN support was set it - is it > incomplete? Are there other issues I should worry about? > > - Jon > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > _______________________________________________ > Subtext-devs mailing list > Sub...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > > > > -- > Simone Chiaretta > codeclimber.net.nz > Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic > "Life is short, play hard" > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > _______________________________________________ > Subtext-devs mailing list > Sub...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > _______________________________________________ > Subtext-devs mailing list > Sub...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > _______________________________________________ > Subtext-devs mailing list > Sub...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > |
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From: Simone C. <sim...@gm...> - 2009-03-13 17:33:58
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as for balsamiq... they have a OSS license for free... Is there a way to automatically import issues from SF? I'd move the ML to google code as well Can you add me to the Subtext project on google code? Simo On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Phil Haack <ph...@mi...> wrote: > How about this, let’s take the migration in steps. > > > > Step 1: > > · Move Issue Tracking to > http://code.google.com/p/subtext/issues/list > > · Move SVN to https://subtext.googlecode.com/svn/trunk > > · Use the Wiki for planning > http://code.google.com/p/subtext/w/list > > · Keep mailing list where it is > > · Keep commit emails where it is. > > · SubtextProject.com remains the location for docs > > > > Let’s see how we like that. > > I’m not so familiar with Google groups. Should we move our main discussions > there right away? > > I wonder if we can get licenses for Balsamiq for OSS purposes. I’d love to > post Balsamiq mockups to the Wiki for us to discuss as our means of > collaborating on new features. > > > > I mentioned in another thread that the bulk editing feature of Google code > is essential for my sanity in managing work items. J > > > > Does anyone know how to associate subversion commits with issues in Google > Code? > > > > Phil > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > [Sent this from the wrong address originally - Phil, skip the approval on > that one so we don't get twice my lame input. ;) ] > > I've been using Google Code for my CR_Documentor project and the simplicity > of working with it and navigating within it has, thus far, outweighed the > drawbacks of not having a bajillion features. The way the Google Code wiki > works is really my biggest complaint. They haven't nailed down all of the > cross-browser rendering issues yet and it always strikes me as odd to end > up > on that "index" page that just lists all the pages in the wiki, but > otherwise it's decent. You start with a 100MB disk quota but you can > request > an increase if needed. Your wiki, source, and downloads all contribute > toward that quota. > > I did find that setting up a Google Group to email commit notices out is > flakey. I don't know if it was a problem with Google Groups at the time or > what, but the Google Code system user was only able to send notices to the > Google Group part of the time. I set up a Yahoo Group instead and it's > working wonderfully. > > I've found that the less you try to change the way it works and instead > just > work with what they give you, the easier it is, and things just sort of > "magically" come together. > > I, too, am frustrated by CodePlex. > > I like the idea of overhauling subtextproject.com to point to various > places. That's a good idea. > > I'd be happy to work with whoever on setting up the Google Code site since > I've done it for a couple of projects. It's not too hard, but there are > little things like getting a graphic to show up on the home page or setting > up the commit change notifications that aren't totally straightforward. > > Anything to get away from the sf.net monolith is a plus. > > -T > -- > Travis Illig > http://www.paraesthesia.com > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:29 AM, Simone Chiaretta < > simone.chiaretta@gm...> wrote: > > > Yep... we need a really cool subtext site... > > I remember Simon Philps played around with a new design for the website a > > little while ago > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Steven Harman <steveharman@gm...>wrote: > > > >> Actually, you can kinda-sorta-vote for items on GoogleCode by starring > >> them, but it's not exactly the same. Also, I tend to find the > organization > >> an UX of CodePlex to be... frustrating, tho not nearly so much as > >> SourceForge! Perhaps we just need to overhaul the subtextproject.comsite > >> to be more ninject-like - having big links off to well definded > locations > >> for various resources (SVN, Build server, downloads, bugs, feature > requests, > >> Mailing Lists, etc...). > >> > >> Whatever we decided to do, I am just happy to be moving away from SF! > >> > >> -steve > >> > >> //---- 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at ----// > >> http://stevenharman.net/ > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:18 AM, Simone Chiaretta < > >> simone.chiaretta@gm...> wrote: > >> > >>> Personally I'd use Google Code only for source control and ML > >>> And I'd use Codeplex for "official" release and for the possibility to > >>> have people vote on items, and for the wiki (Sara Ford said that they > are > >>> going to implement the possibility to edit Wiki pages via metablog api, > >>> enabling rich text editing in HTML via WLW) > >>> > >>> The priority is to leave SF asap.. > >>> > >>> Simo > >>> > >>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Phil Haack <philha@mi...>wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi All, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I created an account on Google Code on the urging of Rob Conery and > >>>> after checking it out a bit, I really really like it. A couple key > features > >>>> it has: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 1. Subversion hosting > >>>> > >>>> *2. **Bulk Editing of issue trackers* > >>>> > >>>> 3. Peer Code Review feature > >>>> > >>>> 4. It’s fast and responsive > >>>> > >>>> 5. Wiki > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> That second one was really important to me for managing the items we > >>>> track per release. At this point, I’m 99% convinced we should move to > Google > >>>> Code, perhaps after Mix. Any strong objections? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Phil > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) > are > >>>> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly > and > >>>> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based > >>>> development > >>>> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > >>>> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Subtext-devs mailing list > >>>> Subtext-devs@li... > >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Simone Chiaretta > >>> codeclimber.net.nz > >>> Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic > >>> "Life is short, play hard" > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > >>> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly > and > >>> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based > >>> development > >>> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > >>> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Subtext-devs mailing list > >>> Subtext-devs@li... > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > >> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > >> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based > development > >> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > >> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Subtext-devs mailing list > >> Subtext-devs@li... > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Simone Chiaretta > > codeclimber.net.nz > > Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic > > "Life is short, play hard" > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based > development > > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > > _______________________________________________ > > Subtext-devs mailing list > > Subtext-devs@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > _______________________________________________ > Subtext-devs mailing list > Sub...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > -- Simone Chiaretta codeclimber.net.nz Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic "Life is short, play hard" |
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From: Phil H. <ph...@mi...> - 2009-03-13 17:27:44
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How about this, let's take the migration in steps. Step 1: * Move Issue Tracking to http://code.google.com/p/subtext/issues/list * Move SVN to https://subtext.googlecode.com/svn/trunk * Use the Wiki for planning http://code.google.com/p/subtext/w/list * Keep mailing list where it is * Keep commit emails where it is. * SubtextProject.com remains the location for docs Let's see how we like that. I'm not so familiar with Google groups. Should we move our main discussions there right away? I wonder if we can get licenses for Balsamiq for OSS purposes. I'd love to post Balsamiq mockups to the Wiki for us to discuss as our means of collaborating on new features. I mentioned in another thread that the bulk editing feature of Google code is essential for my sanity in managing work items. :) Does anyone know how to associate subversion commits with issues in Google Code? Phil ------------------------------------ [Sent this from the wrong address originally - Phil, skip the approval on that one so we don't get twice my lame input. ;) ] I've been using Google Code for my CR_Documentor project and the simplicity of working with it and navigating within it has, thus far, outweighed the drawbacks of not having a bajillion features. The way the Google Code wiki works is really my biggest complaint. They haven't nailed down all of the cross-browser rendering issues yet and it always strikes me as odd to end up on that "index" page that just lists all the pages in the wiki, but otherwise it's decent. You start with a 100MB disk quota but you can request an increase if needed. Your wiki, source, and downloads all contribute toward that quota. I did find that setting up a Google Group to email commit notices out is flakey. I don't know if it was a problem with Google Groups at the time or what, but the Google Code system user was only able to send notices to the Google Group part of the time. I set up a Yahoo Group instead and it's working wonderfully. I've found that the less you try to change the way it works and instead just work with what they give you, the easier it is, and things just sort of "magically" come together. I, too, am frustrated by CodePlex. I like the idea of overhauling subtextproject.com to point to various places. That's a good idea. I'd be happy to work with whoever on setting up the Google Code site since I've done it for a couple of projects. It's not too hard, but there are little things like getting a graphic to show up on the home page or setting up the commit change notifications that aren't totally straightforward. Anything to get away from the sf.net monolith is a plus. -T -- Travis Illig http://www.paraesthesia.com On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:29 AM, Simone Chiaretta < simone.chiaretta@gm...> wrote: > Yep... we need a really cool subtext site... > I remember Simon Philps played around with a new design for the website a > little while ago > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Steven Harman <steveharman@gm...>wrote: > >> Actually, you can kinda-sorta-vote for items on GoogleCode by starring >> them, but it's not exactly the same. Also, I tend to find the organization >> an UX of CodePlex to be... frustrating, tho not nearly so much as >> SourceForge! Perhaps we just need to overhaul the subtextproject.com site >> to be more ninject-like - having big links off to well definded locations >> for various resources (SVN, Build server, downloads, bugs, feature requests, >> Mailing Lists, etc...). >> >> Whatever we decided to do, I am just happy to be moving away from SF! >> >> -steve >> >> //---- 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at ----// >> http://stevenharman.net/ >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:18 AM, Simone Chiaretta < >> simone.chiaretta@gm...> wrote: >> >>> Personally I'd use Google Code only for source control and ML >>> And I'd use Codeplex for "official" release and for the possibility to >>> have people vote on items, and for the wiki (Sara Ford said that they are >>> going to implement the possibility to edit Wiki pages via metablog api, >>> enabling rich text editing in HTML via WLW) >>> >>> The priority is to leave SF asap.. >>> >>> Simo >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Phil Haack <philha@mi...>wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> >>>> I created an account on Google Code on the urging of Rob Conery and >>>> after checking it out a bit, I really really like it. A couple key features >>>> it has: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. Subversion hosting >>>> >>>> *2. **Bulk Editing of issue trackers* >>>> >>>> 3. Peer Code Review feature >>>> >>>> 4. It's fast and responsive >>>> >>>> 5. Wiki >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> That second one was really important to me for managing the items we >>>> track per release. At this point, I'm 99% convinced we should move to Google >>>> Code, perhaps after Mix. Any strong objections? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Phil >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >>>> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >>>> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based >>>> development >>>> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >>>> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Subtext-devs mailing list >>>> Subtext-devs@li... >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Simone Chiaretta >>> codeclimber.net.nz >>> Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic >>> "Life is short, play hard" >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >>> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >>> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based >>> development >>> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >>> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Subtext-devs mailing list >>> Subtext-devs@li... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are >> powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and >> easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development >> software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. >> Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com >> _______________________________________________ >> Subtext-devs mailing list >> Subtext-devs@li... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs >> >> > > > -- > Simone Chiaretta > codeclimber.net.nz > Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic > "Life is short, play hard" > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are > powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and > easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development > software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. > Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com > _______________________________________________ > Subtext-devs mailing list > Subtext-devs@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/subtext-devs > > |
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From: Phil H. <ph...@mi...> - 2009-03-13 17:17:25
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I've run into all sorts of problems with the bridge. I highly doubt they'll be able to keep it up to date with newer features of Subversion (and they haven't thus far). Some of the latest features of Subversion make branching and merging way better! My favorite feature of CodePlex is the voting. I love it. It's beautiful. Google Code's star feature is nice, but it's not quite par with the voting. However, if we make it very clear that we use the number of stars to help decide which items to fix first, we may be able to encourage people to use it. In terms of workflow, CodeProject doesn't support bulk edit of work items and this is essential. Every time we issue a release, I move all unfixed items to the next milestone. If I had to do this one by one, I would have to gouge my own eyes out in frustration. :) Not only that, but Google Code is fast. Editing work items. Fast! In this case, performance is a feature. Phil From: Jon Galloway [mailto:jon...@gm...] Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 10:00 AM To: sub...@li... Subject: Re: [Subtext-devs] Question on how Google Code compares to CodePlex No, people aren't really using the stars that much. I think the UI doesn't make that obvious so no one knows that they're voting. What's the problem with the SVN bridge? You guys have used the actual hosted SVN bridge, which lets you connect directly from an SVN client as if CodePlex was running SVN with no local install, right? e.g. connect from TortoiseSVN to https://svnbridge.svn.codeplex.com/svn/ without any local install? I've used it and it worked fine, but I didn't really hammer it and run through complex patching, so I'd love to hear if there are any showstopper problems you've run into. On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Travis Illig <ti...@pa...<mailto:ti...@pa...>> wrote: Agreed. I've tried to get SvnBridge working several times and there's always some issue. You can vote on Google Code using the stars. It tracks how many people "star" each request so you can still sort by votes. Are people not using it? -T -- Travis Illig http://www.paraesthesia.com On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Simone Chiaretta <sim...@gm...<mailto:sim...@gm...>> wrote: Personally, I find the biggest issue with Codeplex to be source control... both TFS and SVN-bridge are suboptimal On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Jon Galloway <jon...@gm...<mailto:jon...@gm...>> wrote: We've actually been kicking around the idea of moving the Witty Twitter project from Google Code to CodePlex. Google Code is solid for SVN hosting and the issues list is good, but there are some downsides: 1. The biggest problem is that it filters out a lot of potential contributors. It turns your project into and "open source ASP.NET<http://ASP.NET> project" instead of an "open source ASP.NET<http://ASP.NET> project" and a lot of potential contributors either never hear about it or shy away when they see they'll have to venture outside of the Microsoft world. I think this is especially true of Microsoft employees who need - or think they'd need - legal approval to contribute to a BSD licensed project hosted by Google... Drop the same project on CodePlex and dual license it under MS-PL and I think you'd get a lot more interest from the Microsoft world. Not sure if this lines up with your experience with SubText, but we've had almost zero interest from the WPF devlopment community for Witty, while WPF projects on CodePlex generally do. 2. The separation of issues and discussions is a problem. People use our Google Code site, but don't subscribe to the discussion list on Google Groups. On CodePlex, they're integrated. 3. Voting is a key factor. On Google Code, we've got 200+ issues and it's not at all easy to prioritize them. So - I'm selfishly very interested in what the problems are with CodePlex. I haven't really used it since the SVN support was set it - is it incomplete? Are there other issues I should worry about? - Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. 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