Why stellarium doesnt have option "show Messier catalog "

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2013-07-26
2016-08-23
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  • jdhartgerink

    jdhartgerink - 2013-11-27

    For what it is worth, I would like this feature too. While clearly one can always use the search function to find a particular Messier, being able to simultaneously see all the Messier's that are above the horizon at once (without having to sift through all the other DSOs) would be very nice. There is no need to do anything with the textures of various DSO, this is simply a mater of choosing which DSOs are labeled / highlighted. There are many reasons this would be useful, Messier Marathon's being one of them. My astro society does one of these every year when weather permits.

    Perhaps a more general and more powerful feature would be a search & highlight function that would label all objects that matched a particular string which would allow you to highlight "Messier " or "NGC". If it allowed you to search under "type" you could highlight all galaxies or all open clusters etc.

     
    • Bogdan Marinov

      Bogdan Marinov - 2013-12-01

      Please read my post above.

       
  • Anonymous - 2013-11-27

    Guys, it's not going to happen. Adding redundant features for lazy people is a bad idea. Please just drop it.

     
  • Anonymous - 2014-06-15

    short information: lazy people are very intelligent; the problem is with ignorant people. choosing between catalogs would be a great feature. an important astronomy software has it: cartes du ciel.

     
  • Anonymous - 2014-06-19

    "choosing between catalogs would be a great feature. an important astronomy software has it: cartes du ciel."

    You are right. Its obvious for EVERY astroamateur.

    @Bohdan. "The main technical reason is that Stellarium has no separate Messier catalog: it treats Messier designations as synonyms of its internal identifiers, mostly NGC numbers."

    And ?? There is no neeed to have separate messier catalog or something at all! Just option for FILTERING of NGC numbers. One small additional option square. Just the same like option show/unshow DSO objects but in a bit more selectively way. Thats all . Whats the problem guys!!!???

    "There are also historical and design reasons: Stellarium started as a way to display prettily the night sky. Since then, it's been developed mainly as an edutainment tool (astronomers don't need constellation art) and only recently it has started to become more friendly towards amateur astronomers"

    sory ... "design and historical reasons"? what is has to do with filtering NGC objects? I dont get you. Strange excuse, really odd.
    I can also assure you that stellarium would be much more "friendly towards amateur astronomers" with this new feature.

     
  • barrykgerdes

    barrykgerdes - 2014-06-20

    This is a dead subject. Unless someone wants to write a plugin or other programming there will not be a catalogue showing only Messier objects. It is not in the program plan.

    Messier objects or any other properly documented objects can be found and displayed simply by entering the name in the find window. As for Messier marathons, these are sometimes held as novelty events in northern hemisphere star parties etc. but are almost unheard of in the southern hemisphere where only about 90% of the Messier objects are visible.

    However most of the Messier objects are relatively bright so adjustment of the DSO level control can filter out much of the other non Messier objects.

    Barry

     
  • Anonymous - 2014-09-27

    Great authors of the stellarium know better what the users want....how silly it is.
    I agree with the others that option for showing only Meissner objects is fundamental for new amateur astronomers and it should be added to the stellarium. If authors of the stellarium think otherwise it means that they lost the purpose of the program and should pass its development to others which should be more open minded to users ideas. If its so hard to add such option, it means that the code and algorithms of the stelarium are flawed and should be recoded and the hardness of the task is also showing that stellarium authors arent so smart that they think so to be.

     
    • Alexander Wolf

      Alexander Wolf - 2014-09-28

      If you really want it you can freely add this feature

       
  • Anonymous - 2015-06-03

    Just stumbled over this old thread.

    I totally agree with the request. Having better filter options on what labels to show (and only the labels) is an important feature missing in Stellarium.

    This put aside, I find the thread quite amusing. Reminds me of the old days when people requesting a GUI for command line application got the answer from the developers that GUIs are for dumb and lazy people. Because I, the developer, use Bash/VI in my ssh session all the time and there's nothing faster and more powerful.

    Please could now someone now remove the option to turn off labels for Planets separately. It just messes up the simplicity of the codebase and is for lazy people anyway.

     
  • Anonymous - 2015-06-09

    What the original poster asked is perfectly reasonable. You already implemented features for display or not planets, stars, dso, pulsar ???, exoplanets ???, etc, and the fact that one cannot display a single catalogue only is simply a missing feature.
    Now, he asked whether this was possible, and developers here answered him in a sarcastic why (e.g. 'why do it?' or 'hire a programmer').
    What surprises me is not the potential lack of feature, but the tone of these people. The program might lack a feature, but some of you guys miss social skills..

    p.s. you want to show the sky as it is? well, then why not plot all the stars that are visible using hubble then.. Your argument is simply faulty. Just mentioning why this is currently not possible is a complete and fair justification instead.

     
    • Alexander Wolf

      Alexander Wolf - 2015-06-10

      What the original poster asked is perfectly reasonable. You already implemented features for display or not planets, stars, dso, pulsar ???, exoplanets ???, etc, and the fact that one cannot display a single catalogue only is simply a missing feature.

      The topic starter (I don't know who are it) uses term "think", not "guess" and say that "Messier catalog is most important and popular among amateur astronomers" and "display on the sky ONLY messier catalog objects" is "should be a fundamental option in stellarium". But wait, Messier catalog may be important only for beginners amateurs in the north hemisphere. From the first message I understood that we should remove support of all DSO with except of the Messier objects (I was wrong for this point). This proposal seems is very strange for me and I guess this proposal can be proposed by very beginner amateur, who knows only Messier catalog. Plus he "dont think it's hard to implement new code for this purpose". Well, apparently he investigated the source code and he has a patch for this feature. OK, go ahead and propose this patch.

      Now, he asked whether this was possible, and developers here answered him in a sarcastic why (e.g. 'why do it?' or 'hire a programmer').

      I'm ask 'why do it?' because I want hear motivation for introducing of this feature (she required rewriting of handling of the deep-sky objects).

      What surprises me is not the potential lack of feature, but the tone of these people. The program might lack a feature, but some of you guys miss social skills.

      How else could respond to the categorical statement without arguments?

      p.s. you want to show the sky as it is? well, then why not plot all the stars that are visible using hubble then.. Your argument is simply faulty.

      Stellarium can show those stars - just play with absolute and relative scales. What about your argument in this point?

      Just mentioning why this is currently not possible is a complete and fair justification instead.

      Bogdan said about this point, but this answer was ignored.

       
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    Anonymous - 2015-07-29

    I too have used Stellarium for star parties, and mostly we show guests M objects.
    the large quantity of the ldn objects (that weren't there in earlier versions) totally obscured the 'M's.

    this is a work-around
    goto the nebulae folder,open it,then using windows make a copy of the default folder... (it may show up as default copy) this is your safety net.
    Open the default folder and show by details. then sort by type, twice. you should find the .txt files at the top, If you remove the last letter from the files you do not wish to load (ex. 'tabbed' will be 'tabbe')the program will not find the correctly spelled files and will skip them with no (apparent) error.

    Now when you launch the program the ldn and lbn (and whatever else you modified) lists will not load.

    And if you want to UN-DO 'put the letter back' it'll be as it was,
    enjoy.

     
    Last edit: Anonymous 2015-07-29
  • Alexander Wolf

    Alexander Wolf - 2015-08-09

    A fresh beta of Stellarium has serious changes in handling of the deep-sky objects - please check it.

     
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    Anonymous - 2016-08-23

    Actually this has been now implemented - you can select M objects only, or whichever catalogue you want, from the Sky and Viewing Options window

     
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