starmap2-devteam

[Starmap2-devteam] Fw: Still looking for coders?

[Trace K. <Tra...@ne...>]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Robert Kjelgaard <pas...@us...>
To: <Tra...@to...>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 4:55 AM
Subject: Still looking for coders?


> I can read QBasic easily enough.  I was wondering 
> if C++ is OK (but I can stick to C, if that's 
> required).  Also about the environment- are you 
> planning on using a GUI interface or console.  
> Also tools- as a professional, I've got lots of 
> good ones, but they aren't open source.
> 
> I have some free time available for projects, 
> mostly weekends.  My skills profile and resume 
> are public.  I probably understate some of my 
> skills- judging from some of what I've seen 
> poking around this site, "Wizards" come cheap 
> these days  :>
> 
> Bob Kjelgaard
> Sr. Software Developer
> Intelligraphics, Inc.
> 

[Starmap2-devteam] Fw: Still looking for coders?

[Trace K. <Tra...@ne...>]

----- Original Message -----
From: Trace Kern <Tra...@ne...>
To: Robert Kjelgaard <pas...@us...>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: Still looking for coders?


> Actually I'm not all that familliar with C or C++ myself and how they
relate
> to VBasic, but a friend suggested I keep the possibility of C/++ open for
> the project.
>
> Environment...Hmmm. Well at the moment the origonal StarMap is DOS-based
> with *some* graphics, but I wanted to make a GUI yes. There are several
> elements I want to replace entierly, and others just update and add new
> featres to.
>
> Like I said in my group email, best thing right now is to download the
> origonal StarMap zip and get familliar with what all it can do...Oh yeah,
> we'll also need to make sure we can use the origonal datasets for random
> generation...Or come up with new ones which would be a pain in the ass
from
> what Jim said...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Kjelgaard <pas...@us...>
> To: <Tra...@to...>
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 4:55 AM
> Subject: Still looking for coders?
>
>
> > I can read QBasic easily enough.  I was wondering
> > if C++ is OK (but I can stick to C, if that's
> > required).  Also about the environment- are you
> > planning on using a GUI interface or console.
> > Also tools- as a professional, I've got lots of
> > good ones, but they aren't open source.
> >
> > I have some free time available for projects,
> > mostly weekends.  My skills profile and resume
> > are public.  I probably understate some of my
> > skills- judging from some of what I've seen
> > poking around this site, "Wizards" come cheap
> > these days  :>
> >
> > Bob Kjelgaard
> > Sr. Software Developer
> > Intelligraphics, Inc.
> >
>

[Starmap2-devteam] Fw: Still looking for coders?

[Trace K. <Tra...@ne...>]

----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Brix Kjelgaard <bo...@pr...>
To: Trace Kern <Tra...@ne...>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: Still looking for coders?


> Hi, Trace-
>
> I didn't see the group email- could have been in a forum I'm not
monitoring.
> If you could tell me where I can find either that or the ZIP you're
> referring to, I'd be happy to take a look at it.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob Kjelgaard
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Trace Kern" <Tra...@ne...>
> To: "Robert Kjelgaard" <pas...@us...>
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 9:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Still looking for coders?
>
>
> > Actually I'm not all that familliar with C or C++ myself and how they
> relate
> > to VBasic, but a friend suggested I keep the possibility of C/++ open
for
> > the project.
> >
> > Environment...Hmmm. Well at the moment the origonal StarMap is DOS-based
> > with *some* graphics, but I wanted to make a GUI yes. There are several
> > elements I want to replace entierly, and others just update and add new
> > featres to.
> >
> > Like I said in my group email, best thing right now is to download the
> > origonal StarMap zip and get familliar with what all it can do...Oh
yeah,
> > we'll also need to make sure we can use the origonal datasets for random
> > generation...Or come up with new ones which would be a pain in the ass
> from
> > what Jim said...
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Robert Kjelgaard <pas...@us...>
> > To: <Tra...@to...>
> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 4:55 AM
> > Subject: Still looking for coders?
> >
> >
> > > I can read QBasic easily enough.  I was wondering
> > > if C++ is OK (but I can stick to C, if that's
> > > required).  Also about the environment- are you
> > > planning on using a GUI interface or console.
> > > Also tools- as a professional, I've got lots of
> > > good ones, but they aren't open source.
> > >
> > > I have some free time available for projects,
> > > mostly weekends.  My skills profile and resume
> > > are public.  I probably understate some of my
> > > skills- judging from some of what I've seen
> > > poking around this site, "Wizards" come cheap
> > > these days  :>
> > >
> > > Bob Kjelgaard
> > > Sr. Software Developer
> > > Intelligraphics, Inc.
> > >
> >
>
>

[Starmap2-devteam] Fw: Still looking for coders?

[Trace K. <Tra...@ne...>]

----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Brix Kjelgaard <bo...@pr...>
To: Trace Kern <Tra...@ne...>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Still looking for coders?


> Forget my last response- I decided to check the Games foundry and found
your
> post.  I've downloaded the files and will begin looking at them shortly
> (gonna get some eats first ;).
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Trace Kern" <Tra...@ne...>
> To: "Robert Kjelgaard" <pas...@us...>
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 9:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Still looking for coders?
>
>
> > Actually I'm not all that familliar with C or C++ myself and how they
> relate
> > to VBasic, but a friend suggested I keep the possibility of C/++ open
for
> > the project.
> >
> > Environment...Hmmm. Well at the moment the origonal StarMap is DOS-based
> > with *some* graphics, but I wanted to make a GUI yes. There are several
> > elements I want to replace entierly, and others just update and add new
> > featres to.
> >
> > Like I said in my group email, best thing right now is to download the
> > origonal StarMap zip and get familliar with what all it can do...Oh
yeah,
> > we'll also need to make sure we can use the origonal datasets for random
> > generation...Or come up with new ones which would be a pain in the ass
> from
> > what Jim said...
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Robert Kjelgaard <pas...@us...>
> > To: <Tra...@to...>
> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 4:55 AM
> > Subject: Still looking for coders?
> >
> >
> > > I can read QBasic easily enough.  I was wondering
> > > if C++ is OK (but I can stick to C, if that's
> > > required).  Also about the environment- are you
> > > planning on using a GUI interface or console.
> > > Also tools- as a professional, I've got lots of
> > > good ones, but they aren't open source.
> > >
> > > I have some free time available for projects,
> > > mostly weekends.  My skills profile and resume
> > > are public.  I probably understate some of my
> > > skills- judging from some of what I've seen
> > > poking around this site, "Wizards" come cheap
> > > these days  :>
> > >
> > > Bob Kjelgaard
> > > Sr. Software Developer
> > > Intelligraphics, Inc.
> > >
> >
>
>

[Starmap2-devteam] Fw: Still looking for coders?

[Trace K. <Tra...@ne...>]

----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Brix Kjelgaard <bo...@pr...>
To: Trace Kern <Tra...@ne...>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: Still looking for coders?


> Hello again, Trace-
>
> I've looked at the stuff- I can certainly do this (even in VB, although
it'd
> be a slower job for me if I did).  The original data can be recycled
easily
> enough.  I'm not certain I necessarily buy the difficulty of generating
new
> ones, though- what Jim did (and it's a good, thorough piece of work, don't
> get me wrong) is use good live data to create his maps- so they're
> "realistic" in the truest sense.  But I imagine some SF RPGer's could care
> less about that.
>
> On the other hand, that's the whole point of a game generator, anyway- if
> you want to change the playing field, you can.  Not every player/game
master
> is going to want to be totally in tune with the cosmological flavor of the
> month.  But having :"real" data can be a big plus with some, making this
> public-domain software a nice find.
>
> It looks like you're looking for a single programmer on this.  If you
think
> I'd be the one, shoot me an email and add me to the project (as an admin,
> you're the one controlling that).  It'd also be helpful if you put down
some
> ideas of what you want changed- how you'd like to approach this, etc.
down-
> there's a space for project documentation, which can probably be as simple
> as a text file, or something you whip up with an HTML editor.  Or I can
whip
> together some initial take at a GUI version, and you can critique it- I'm
a
> pretty flexible guy...
>
> I can also document ideas, or bounce a few, if that'd help.  But to add
them
> to the SF project pages, either you'll have to add them yourself, or you'd
> have to make me an admin (either works for me).
>
> I'll switch briefly to sales mode- hope that's not offensive!  My company
> essentially sells my time to their customers at about $3 (US) / minute.
> Working on my own, I've successfully sold my time at rates between $1 -
> $1.50 / minute.  This is an opportunity for you to get for free what most
> people have to really shell out for.  So I really think I'll be one of the
> best chances you'll have to make your project succeed.  Not that we'll
need
> it, but I also have my own web site and a legitimate business license
behind
> it.  I *always* try to finish what I start, and can't recall a time I
> haven't (except when someone else cancelled, etc).
>
> Hope that didn't sound too arrogant- I'd just like to work on something
like
> this, it would be "fun" for me (I enjoy programming, but I'm not much for
> starting my own projects), so I'm just trying to put the old "best foot
> forward".
>
> Anyway, hope to hear from you soon, one way or the other.  A final
warning-
> do realize that because of my work, the hours I can put into the project
> will probably vary over time- at the moment, recession and all, things are
> kind of slow, so if we start soon, we can probably have something to show
> people in short order (which is probably one of the best ways to generate
> additional interest in a project, particularly in open-source games).
>
> Best Regards,
> Bob Kjelgaard
> Pretty Penny Enterprises, LLC (my "off-hours" business identity)
> mail:  bo...@pr...
> www: www.prettypennyenterprises.com
> Ph: 425-558-1803
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Trace Kern" <Tra...@ne...>
> To: "Robert Kjelgaard" <pas...@us...>
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 9:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Still looking for coders?
>
>
> > Actually I'm not all that familliar with C or C++ myself and how they
> relate
> > to VBasic, but a friend suggested I keep the possibility of C/++ open
for
> > the project.
> >
> > Environment...Hmmm. Well at the moment the origonal StarMap is DOS-based
> > with *some* graphics, but I wanted to make a GUI yes. There are several
> > elements I want to replace entierly, and others just update and add new
> > featres to.
> >
> > Like I said in my group email, best thing right now is to download the
> > origonal StarMap zip and get familliar with what all it can do...Oh
yeah,
> > we'll also need to make sure we can use the origonal datasets for random
> > generation...Or come up with new ones which would be a pain in the ass
> from
> > what Jim said...
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Robert Kjelgaard <pas...@us...>
> > To: <Tra...@to...>
> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 4:55 AM
> > Subject: Still looking for coders?
> >
> >
> > > I can read QBasic easily enough.  I was wondering
> > > if C++ is OK (but I can stick to C, if that's
> > > required).  Also about the environment- are you
> > > planning on using a GUI interface or console.
> > > Also tools- as a professional, I've got lots of
> > > good ones, but they aren't open source.
> > >
> > > I have some free time available for projects,
> > > mostly weekends.  My skills profile and resume
> > > are public.  I probably understate some of my
> > > skills- judging from some of what I've seen
> > > poking around this site, "Wizards" come cheap
> > > these days  :>
> > >
> > > Bob Kjelgaard
> > > Sr. Software Developer
> > > Intelligraphics, Inc.
> > >
> >
>
>

[Starmap2-devteam] Fw: Still looking for coders?

[Trace K. <Tra...@ne...>]

----- Original Message -----
From: Trace Kern <Tra...@ne...>
To: Robert Brix Kjelgaard <bo...@pr...>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: Still looking for coders?


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Brix Kjelgaard <bo...@pr...>
> To: Trace Kern <Tra...@ne...>
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 5:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Still looking for coders?
>
>
> > Hello again, Trace-
> >
> > I've looked at the stuff- I can certainly do this (even in VB, although
> it'd
> > be a slower job for me if I did).  The original data can be recycled
> easily
> > enough.  I'm not certain I necessarily buy the difficulty of generating
> new
> > ones, though- what Jim did (and it's a good, thorough piece of work,
don't
> > get me wrong) is use good live data to create his maps- so they're
> > "realistic" in the truest sense.  But I imagine some SF RPGer's could
care
> > less about that.
>
> I'm just going on what Jim said as far as the difficulty of using the
Gliese
> star list. Heh.
> In any event yes StarMap was intended to use real data, but at the same
time
> enable you to edit anything you wanted to.
>
> > On the other hand, that's the whole point of a game generator, anyway-
if
> > you want to change the playing field, you can.  Not every player/game
> master
> > is going to want to be totally in tune with the cosmological flavor of
the
> > month.  But having :"real" data can be a big plus with some, making this
> > public-domain software a nice find.
>
> Thanks, and to think if I hadn't gotten irritated on some of the drawbacks
> to a QBasic progra, this gem woulda sat on the shelf forever.
> But that's life and gaming for ya eh?
>
> > It looks like you're looking for a single programmer on this.  If you
> think
> > I'd be the one, shoot me an email and add me to the project (as an
admin,
> > you're the one controlling that).  It'd also be helpful if you put down
> some
> > ideas of what you want changed- how you'd like to approach this, etc.
> down-
> > there's a space for project documentation, which can probably be as
simple
> > as a text file, or something you whip up with an HTML editor.  Or I can
> whip
> > together some initial take at a GUI version, and you can critique it-
I'm
> a
> > pretty flexible guy...
>
> Well you're certainly at the top of the list for several reasons: 1.You
were
> the fastest to respond to the project, including checking out StarMap and
> it's source code.  2. You actually *want* to work on this, rather than me
> finding a friend and 'coercing' them to help me. Which is where most of my
> pet projects land short.
>
> > I can also document ideas, or bounce a few, if that'd help.  But to add
> them
> > to the SF project pages, either you'll have to add them yourself, or
you'd
> > have to make me an admin (either works for me).
>
> Well I do have a short list of features I'd like to change and add to the
> package, but other than that, not entierly sure how to go about this since
> I'm not a programmer. If you think you can whip up a GUI version of what's
> allready there, and you want to, then by all means go ahead. If you do
> something like that we can use that as a jumping off point I suppose.
>
> > I'll switch briefly to sales mode- hope that's not offensive!  My
company
> > essentially sells my time to their customers at about $3 (US) / minute.
> > Working on my own, I've successfully sold my time at rates between $1 -
> > $1.50 / minute.  This is an opportunity for you to get for free what
most
> > people have to really shell out for.  So I really think I'll be one of
the
> > best chances you'll have to make your project succeed.  Not that we'll
> need
> > it, but I also have my own web site and a legitimate business license
> behind
> > it.  I *always* try to finish what I start, and can't recall a time I
> > haven't (except when someone else cancelled, etc).
> >
> > Hope that didn't sound too arrogant- I'd just like to work on something
> like
> > this, it would be "fun" for me (I enjoy programming, but I'm not much
for
> > starting my own projects), so I'm just trying to put the old "best foot
> > forward".
>
> Well, you're the first to give any kind of sales pitch...I'm not used to
> people competing to help with my pet projects. Heh. I'm gonna go ahead and
> add you to the project site tomorrow, or as soon as I get yer Sourceforge
> ID. I'll also add you as an Admin so you can upload files to the project
> site....
>
> > Anyway, hope to hear from you soon, one way or the other.  A final
> warning-
> > do realize that because of my work, the hours I can put into the project
> > will probably vary over time- at the moment, recession and all, things
are
> > kind of slow, so if we start soon, we can probably have something to
show
> > people in short order (which is probably one of the best ways to
generate
> > additional interest in a project, particularly in open-source games).
>
> I've never pretended to be a patient person where my pet projects are
> concerned, so the sooner we get started, the better!
>
> > Best Regards,
> > Bob Kjelgaard
> > Pretty Penny Enterprises, LLC (my "off-hours" business identity)
> > mail:  bo...@pr...
> > www: www.prettypennyenterprises.com
> > Ph: 425-558-1803
>
>

[Starmap2-devteam] Fw: Still looking for coders?

[Trace K. <Tra...@ne...>]

----- Original Message -----
From: Trace Kern <Tra...@ne...>
To: Robert Brix Kjelgaard <bo...@pr...>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: Still looking for coders?


> I've added you to the project admins, and I've put up a bunch of ideas
into
> the priject suggestions tracker. Take a look at them and gimme any ideas
you
> have as well....
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Brix Kjelgaard <bo...@pr...>
> To: Trace Kern <Tra...@ne...>
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 5:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Still looking for coders?
>
>
> > Hello again, Trace-
>
>

[Starmap2-devteam] Fw: Still looking for coders?

[Trace K. <Tra...@ne...>]

----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Brix Kjelgaard <bo...@pr...>
To: Trace Kern <Tra...@ne...>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 4:47 AM
Subject: Re: Still looking for coders?


> Thanks, Trace-
>
> I'll start work immediately (since it's 4:30 AM Saturday, here, and the
kid
> won't be up for several hours :)...
>
> This should be a good change of pace.
>
> Bob Kjelgaard
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Trace Kern" <Tra...@ne...>
> To: "Robert Brix Kjelgaard" <bo...@pr...>
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 8:06 PM
> Subject: Re: Still looking for coders?
>
>
> > I've added you to the project admins, and I've put up a bunch of ideas
> into
> > the priject suggestions tracker. Take a look at them and gimme any ideas
> you
> > have as well....
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Robert Brix Kjelgaard <bo...@pr...>
> > To: Trace Kern <Tra...@ne...>
> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 5:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: Still looking for coders?
> >
> >
> > > Hello again, Trace-
> >
> >
>
>

[Starmap2-devteam] Fw: Still looking for coders?

[Trace K. <Tra...@ne...>]

----- Original Message -----
From: Trace Kern <Tra...@ne...>
To: Robert Brix Kjelgaard <bo...@pr...>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: Still looking for coders?


> Sounds good. Lemme know if there's any info you need from me. Also, here's
> my ICQ number so you can try and get a hold of me real-time.
>
> 38218801 - TracerFox
>
> Catch ya later!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Brix Kjelgaard <bo...@pr...>
> To: Trace Kern <Tra...@ne...>
> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 4:47 AM
> Subject: Re: Still looking for coders?
>
>
> > Thanks, Trace-
> >
> > I'll start work immediately (since it's 4:30 AM Saturday, here, and the
> kid
> > won't be up for several hours :)...
> >
> > This should be a good change of pace.
> >
> > Bob Kjelgaard
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Trace Kern" <Tra...@ne...>
> > To: "Robert Brix Kjelgaard" <bo...@pr...>
> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 8:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: Still looking for coders?
> >
> >
> > > I've added you to the project admins, and I've put up a bunch of ideas
> > into
> > > the priject suggestions tracker. Take a look at them and gimme any
ideas
> > you
> > > have as well....
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Robert Brix Kjelgaard <bo...@pr...>
> > > To: Trace Kern <Tra...@ne...>
> > > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 5:41 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Still looking for coders?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hello again, Trace-
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>