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From: Oleg B. <ph...@ph...> - 2006-10-30 16:21:37
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Hello! There is increasing amount of spam in the mailing lists (including sqlobject-cvs list). I think we could battle it by protecting the mailing lists by allowing to post only from the subscribed address. What do you think? Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmann http://phd.pp.ru/ ph...@ph... Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. |
From: Raphael D. P. <rap...@gm...> - 2006-10-30 17:29:49
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I agree. 2006/10/30, Oleg Broytmann <ph...@ph...>: > > Hello! > > There is increasing amount of spam in the mailing lists (including > sqlobject-cvs list). I think we could battle it by protecting the mailing > lists by allowing to post only from the subscribed address. What do you > think? > > Oleg. > -- > Oleg Broytmann http://phd.pp.ru/ ph...@ph... > Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job > easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronim= o > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=3Dlnk&kid=3D120709&bid=3D263057&dat= =3D121642 > _______________________________________________ > sqlobject-discuss mailing list > sql...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sqlobject-discuss > --=20 Raphael Derosso Pereira Engenheiro da Computa=E7=E3o icq: 4517421 msn: rde...@ho... Phone: +55 41 3024-7430 Cel: +55 41 9661-4442 |
From: Bill C. <sql...@ce...> - 2006-10-30 17:34:50
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On Mon, Oct 30, 2006, Oleg Broytmann wrote: >Hello! > > There is increasing amount of spam in the mailing lists (including >sqlobject-cvs list). I think we could battle it by protecting the mailing >lists by allowing to post only from the subscribed address. What do you >think? That helps, and I think it's the default for Mailman lists. It's not a guarantee though as forging the From: headers is trivial. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software, LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 If you want government to intervene domestically, you're a liberal. If you want government to intervene overseas, you're a conservative. If you want government to intervene everywhere, you're a moderate. If you don't want government to intervene anywhere, you're an extremist -- Joseph Sobran |
From: Oleg B. <ph...@ph...> - 2006-10-30 17:39:17
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On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 09:35:33AM -0800, Bill Campbell wrote: > It's not a guarantee though as forging the From: headers is > trivial. Spammers seldom do that. Too much trouble to penetrate protected mailing lists where people are anyway clever enough to report the spam and not buy anything from spammers. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmann http://phd.pp.ru/ ph...@ph... Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. |
From: sophana <so...@zi...> - 2006-10-31 11:07:42
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Oleg Broytmann a =E9crit : > On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 11:57:57AM +0100, sophana wrote: > =20 >> I think you should test it. >> =20 > > Test that the lists are open? I have tested it. > > Oleg. > =20 I meant: test to restrict the access to subscribed users. You could also change the reply-to to be the mailling-list instead of the author. Thanks |
From: Oleg B. <ph...@ph...> - 2006-10-31 11:11:47
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On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 12:07:30PM +0100, sophana wrote: > I meant: test to restrict the access to subscribed users. > You could also change the reply-to to be the mailling-list instead of > the author. I can do neither of this. I don't have admin rights on the SF Mailman. I have asked Ian and is waiting for an answer... Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmann http://phd.pp.ru/ ph...@ph... Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. |
From: Ilias L. <il...@la...> - 2006-10-31 12:57:33
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Oleg Broytmann wrote: > On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 12:07:30PM +0100, sophana wrote: >> I meant: test to restrict the access to subscribed users. >> You could also change the reply-to to be the mailling-list instead of >> the author. > > I can do neither of this. I don't have admin rights on the SF Mailman. I > have asked Ian and is waiting for an answer... setting up a list on google-groups is trivial. why not just create an group and having the admin rights you can ensure it operates smooth. the you can see how users adopt this group. the sourceforge-list can run in paralell, until an response from the project-admin comes. . -- http://lazaridis.com |
From: Oleg B. <ph...@ph...> - 2006-10-31 13:04:26
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On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 02:57:12PM +0200, Ilias Lazaridis wrote: > why not just create an group and having the admin rights I am not going to fork the project, to hijack the code, the lists or the tracker. Such things must be done in cooperation with the original author. Oleg. -- Oleg Broytmann http://phd.pp.ru/ ph...@ph... Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. |
From: Ilias L. <il...@la...> - 2006-10-31 13:11:08
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Oleg Broytmann wrote: > On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 02:57:12PM +0200, Ilias Lazaridis wrote: >> why not just create an group and having the admin rights [REQUOTE] setting up a list on google-groups is trivial. why not just create an group and having the admin rights you can ensure it operates smooth. the you can see how users adopt this group. the sourceforge-list can run in paralell, until an response from the project-admin comes. [/REQUOTE] > I am not going to fork the project, to hijack the code, the lists or the > tracker. Such things must be done in cooperation with the original author. Please do not cut my sayings in the middle, to give them another meaning. I am not talking about forking, but about providing users the basic resources. The original author does not care much about the project, this should be clear to anyone observing the project. . -- http://lazaridis.com |
From: Frank B. <fb...@fo...> - 2006-10-31 14:23:18
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Hallo, sophana hat gesagt: // sophana wrote: > You could also change the reply-to to be the mailling-list instead of > the author. There already is a correct "List-Post:"-mail header in every mail here. IMHO mailing-lists shouldn't touch the original reply-to the author of a mail has set. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ |
From: sophana <so...@zi...> - 2006-10-31 21:42:39
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Frank Barknecht a =E9crit : >> could also change the reply-to to be the mailling-list instead of >> the author. >> =20 > > There already is a correct "List-Post:"-mail header in every mail > here. > > =20 this does not work with thunderbird > IMHO mailing-lists shouldn't touch the original reply-to the author of > a mail has set.=20 > > =20 Why? I don't have problems with other lists. |
From: Bill C. <sql...@ce...> - 2006-11-01 01:07:50
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On Tue, Oct 31, 2006, sophana wrote: >Frank Barknecht a =E9crit : >>> could also change the reply-to to be the mailling-list instead of >>> the author. >> >> There already is a correct "List-Post:"-mail header in every mail >> here. >> =20 >this does not work with thunderbird >> IMHO mailing-lists shouldn't touch the original reply-to the author of >> a mail has set.=20 >> =20 >Why? I don't have problems with other lists. Largely because setting Reply-To: thelist is prone to rather embarassing posts of messages that senders expect to go to the original sender, but g= o to the list instead. IMHO, it should always require a bit of effort to send a message to hundreds of people -- although with smart mailers like mutt, posting to the list is as simple as adding the list name to the ``subscribe'' list in the ~/.muttrc file, then pressing ``L'' instead of ``r''. http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1= 676 ``The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.'' -- H. L. Mencken |
From: Frank B. <fb...@fo...> - 2006-11-01 12:25:11
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Hallo, Bill Campbell hat gesagt: // Bill Campbell wrote: > Largely because setting Reply-To: thelist is prone to rather embarassing > posts of messages that senders expect to go to the original sender, but go > to the list instead. This of course is an often debated topic. One thing to note is, that all Sourceforge lists default to *not* modifying the reply-to to post to the list, so I guess many Sourceforge users are already used to the current setup and personally I would like so-discuss to stay this way as well. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__ |
From: Jorge V. <jor...@gm...> - 2006-11-01 20:20:37
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On 10/31/06, Ilias Lazaridis <il...@la...> wrote: > Oleg Broytmann wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 02:57:12PM +0200, Ilias Lazaridis wrote: > >> why not just create an group and having the admin rights > [REQUOTE] > setting up a list on google-groups is trivial. > because that is a fork > why not just create an group and having the admin rights you can ensure > it operates smooth. the you can see how users adopt this group. > > the sourceforge-list can run in paralell, until an response from the > project-admin comes. > [/REQUOTE] > because that's stupid parallel should only be used in the middle of the migration. > > I am not going to fork the project, to hijack the code, the lists or the > > tracker. Such things must be done in cooperation with the original author. > > Please do not cut my sayings in the middle, to give them another meaning. > he cut it because the rest was irrelevant. > I am not talking about forking, but about providing users the basic > resources. > you want basic go get support from freshmeat projects. > The original author does not care much about the project, this should be > clear to anyone observing the project. Did you email him and he reply that or your just assuming. > by the way where is your SA/SO compatibility layer? > . > > -- > http://lazaridis.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > sqlobject-discuss mailing list > sql...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sqlobject-discuss > |
From: Ilias L. <il...@la...> - 2006-11-01 21:44:19
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[Mr. Vargas, please stop sending me duplicates of the group conversation via emai - thank you.] Jorge Vargas wrote: > On 10/31/06, Ilias Lazaridis <il...@la...> wrote: >> Oleg Broytmann wrote: >>> On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 02:57:12PM +0200, Ilias Lazaridis wrote: >>>> why not just create an group and having the admin rights >> [REQUOTE] >> setting up a list on google-groups is trivial. >> > because that is a fork ? >> why not just create an group and having the admin rights you can ensure >> it operates smooth. the you can see how users adopt this group. >> >> the sourceforge-list can run in paralell, until an response from the >> project-admin comes. >> [/REQUOTE] >> > because that's stupid parallel should only be used in the middle of > the migration. I don't understand this sentence. >>> I am not going to fork the project, to hijack the code, the lists or the >>> tracker. Such things must be done in cooperation with the original author. >> Please do not cut my sayings in the middle, to give them another meaning. >> > he cut it because the rest was irrelevant. as you wish. >> I am not talking about forking, but about providing users the basic >> resources. >> > you want basic go get support from freshmeat projects. ? >> The original author does not care much about the project, this should be >> clear to anyone observing the project. > Did you email him and he reply that or your just assuming. I am observing the project and the contributions / actions of the original author, which are essentially non-existent. > by the way where is your SA/SO compatibility layer? I am not yet sure if it's worth the effort to serve SO compatibility. The SO community/project seems non-operative. . -- http://lazaridis.com |
From: Jorge V. <jor...@gm...> - 2006-11-01 21:57:38
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On 11/1/06, Ilias Lazaridis <il...@la...> wrote: > [Mr. Vargas, please stop sending me duplicates of the group conversation > via emai - thank you.] > it is not me it's SF mailing list. sorry > >> why not just create an group and having the admin rights you can ensure > >> it operates smooth. the you can see how users adopt this group. > >> > >> the sourceforge-list can run in paralell, until an response from the > >> project-admin comes. > >> [/REQUOTE] > >> > > because that's stupid parallel should only be used in the middle of > > the migration. > > I don't understand this sentence. > you will have a bug report on SF that depends on a bug from trac? you will have to tell everyone please post to our trac bug tracker not the SF. > >> The original author does not care much about the project, this should be > >> clear to anyone observing the project. > > Did you email him and he reply that or your just assuming. > > I am observing the project and the contributions / actions of the > original author, which are essentially non-existent. > I can get you 100s of projects where this is the case and that doesn't stops the code from flowing. > > by the way where is your SA/SO compatibility layer? > > I am not yet sure if it's worth the effort to serve SO compatibility. > apparently it is http://turboentity.ematia.de/examples.html, http://cleverdevil.org/computing/35/ also all the people that reply to both the Turbogears and SQLAlchemy mailing list announcements > The SO community/project seems non-operative. > then unsubscribe and never look back. > . > > -- > http://lazaridis.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 > _______________________________________________ > sqlobject-discuss mailing list > sql...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sqlobject-discuss > |
From: Ilias L. <il...@la...> - 2006-11-01 22:10:02
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Jorge Vargas wrote: > On 11/1/06, Ilias Lazaridis <il...@la...> wrote: >> [Mr. Vargas, please stop sending me duplicates of the group conversation >> via emai - thank you.] >> > it is not me it's SF mailing list. sorry one more reason to drop this terrible resource. >>>> why not just create an group and having the admin rights you can ensure >>>> it operates smooth. the you can see how users adopt this group. >>>> >>>> the sourceforge-list can run in paralell, until an response from the >>>> project-admin comes. >>>> [/REQUOTE] >>>> >>> because that's stupid parallel should only be used in the middle of >>> the migration. >> I don't understand this sentence. >> > you will have a bug report on SF that depends on a bug from trac? you > will have to tell everyone please post to our trac bug tracker not the > SF. I still don't understand. I was talking about this mailinglist. >>>> The original author does not care much about the project, this should be >>>> clear to anyone observing the project. >>> Did you email him and he reply that or your just assuming. >> I am observing the project and the contributions / actions of the >> original author, which are essentially non-existent. >> > I can get you 100s of projects where this is the case and that doesn't > stops the code from flowing. "where this is the case" So, it looks that you agree. So, the project-lead should hand out control to active contributors - or the active contributors should provide own resources. That's not forking - but an necessary action. >>> by the way where is your SA/SO compatibility layer? >> I am not yet sure if it's worth the effort to serve SO compatibility. >> > apparently it is http://turboentity.ematia.de/examples.html, > http://cleverdevil.org/computing/35/ also all the people that reply to > both the Turbogears and SQLAlchemy mailing list announcements > >> The SO community/project seems non-operative. >> > then unsubscribe and never look back. As said, I'll not contribute anything as long as the project does not provide the basic resources. I like to observe this project and I'm still hoping that this amateurish behaviour stops. Will see. . -- http://lazaridis.com |