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From: Michael H. <mh...@it...> - 2009-02-16 04:12:12
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Hi Everybody,
Hope somebody has run into this before.
We have recently started making more use of assemblies and have
discovered that if an assembly has a mix of taxed and non-taxed
components tax is getting calculated based on the total of all rather
than just the taxable portion.
Anybody already have a resolution for this issue?
Thanks!
Michael
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From: Paul T. <pt...@wa...> - 2009-02-16 15:17:04
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Are you sure that the although te assembly ultimately is one (new) item, hence the word assembly, it is still possible to pay tax on only a part of it? Does not make sense to me at all. Can you be more specific as to what items are assembled and what part it is that should stay tax free? BTW, I suggest you take it up with the tax authorities before NOT calculating an dor pay the taxman. Those guys mostly have a very poor sense of humour. 2009/2/16 Michael Hasse <mh...@it...> > Hi Everybody, > > Hope somebody has run into this before. > We have recently started making more use of assemblies and have > discovered that if an assembly has a mix of taxed and non-taxed > components tax is getting calculated based on the total of all rather > than just the taxable portion. > Anybody already have a resolution for this issue? > > > Thanks! > > Michael > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, > CA > -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the > Enterprise > -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source > participation > -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: > SFAD > http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H > _______________________________________________ > sql-ledger-users mailing list > sql...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sql-ledger-users > |
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From: Michael H. <mh...@it...> - 2009-02-16 17:43:04
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Thank you for the concern Paul, we've been through all this with the
local tax authorities more than once. :)
In our neck of the woods certain specific types of labor spent
doing things like programming are tax exempt. Other types of labor,
and components, are taxed.
Our assemblies in this case include a fair amount of custom
programming time which should not be taxed, and with that being the
bulk of the total, I can assure you our customers notice if they're
getting taxed on the whole amount!
Thanks,
Michael
On Feb 16, 2009, at 7:13 AM, Paul Tammes wrote:
Are you sure that the although te assembly ultimately is one (new) item,
hence the word assembly, it is still possible to pay tax on only a
part of
it?
Does not make sense to me at all. Can you be more specific as to what
items
are assembled and what part it is that should stay tax free?
BTW, I suggest you take it up with the tax authorities before NOT
calculating an dor pay the taxman. Those guys mostly have a very poor
sense
of humour.
2009/2/16 Michael Hasse <mh...@it...>
> Hi Everybody,
>
> Hope somebody has run into this before.
> We have recently started making more use of assemblies and have
> discovered that if an assembly has a mix of taxed and non-taxed
> components tax is getting calculated based on the total of all rather
> than just the taxable portion.
> Anybody already have a resolution for this issue?
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Michael
>
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From: Rich S. <rsh...@ap...> - 2009-02-16 19:54:43
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2009, Michael Hasse wrote: > In our neck of the woods certain specific types of labor spent doing > things like programming are tax exempt. Other types of labor, and > components, are taxed. > Our assemblies in this case include a fair amount of custom programming > time which should not be taxed, and with that being the bulk of the total, > I can assure you our customers notice if they're getting taxed on the > whole amount! Michael, IANAA. However, in my naivety I see the programming efforts (labor) as separate from the individual physical components and labor that combines them into a single assembly. Why not have the coding be a separate line item on the invoice (and as a separate inventory item)? A former neighbor had a nice business of designing and building sawmill controllers as well as writing the custom software to run them. Before the timber industry out here virtually collapsed under court challenge (that's a discussion for another time and place), sawmills that were constructed to saw large, old growth Douglas fir logs had to be retrofitted to cut smaller trees and of different species. Hence, his business. Considering that his custom saw controllers (which his wife built in the garage) could be programmed for different size logs and different species, the coding was separate from the physical controller assembly. I assume that in your case, a customer could have you later write different software that would work with the same physical assembly you sold them. Hence, separating the two is easily justified and resolves the tax issue. Rich -- Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D. | Integrity Credibility Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. | Innovation <http://www.appl-ecosys.com> Voice: 503-667-4517 Fax: 503-667-8863 |
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From: Michael H. <mh...@it...> - 2009-02-16 20:49:01
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That's exactly how we have been doing it historically. Problem is we are working with a new leasing company now and they want each hardware component to have the cost of the associated labor wrapped up into a single line item. So I'm assuming from the responses nobody's actually dealt with this before? Ugh. Thanks, Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Shepard" <rsh...@ap...> To: sql...@li... Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:54:36 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [SL] Non-taxed parts in a taxed assembly getting taxed On Mon, 16 Feb 2009, Michael Hasse wrote: > In our neck of the woods certain specific types of labor spent doing > things like programming are tax exempt. Other types of labor, and > components, are taxed. > Our assemblies in this case include a fair amount of custom programming > time which should not be taxed, and with that being the bulk of the total, > I can assure you our customers notice if they're getting taxed on the > whole amount! Michael, IANAA. However, in my naivety I see the programming efforts (labor) as separate from the individual physical components and labor that combines them into a single assembly. Why not have the coding be a separate line item on the invoice (and as a separate inventory item)? A former neighbor had a nice business of designing and building sawmill controllers as well as writing the custom software to run them. Before the timber industry out here virtually collapsed under court challenge (that's a discussion for another time and place), sawmills that were constructed to saw large, old growth Douglas fir logs had to be retrofitted to cut smaller trees and of different species. Hence, his business. Considering that his custom saw controllers (which his wife built in the garage) could be programmed for different size logs and different species, the coding was separate from the physical controller assembly. I assume that in your case, a customer could have you later write different software that would work with the same physical assembly you sold them. Hence, separating the two is easily justified and resolves the tax issue. Rich -- Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D. | Integrity Credibility Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. | Innovation <http://www.appl-ecosys.com> Voice: 503-667-4517 Fax: 503-667-8863 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H _______________________________________________ sql-ledger-users mailing list sql...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sql-ledger-users |
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From: Rich S. <rsh...@ap...> - 2009-02-16 21:06:59
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2009, Michael Hasse wrote: > That's exactly how we have been doing it historically. Problem is we are > working with a new leasing company now and they want each hardware > component to have the cost of the associated labor wrapped up into a > single line item. So I'm assuming from the responses nobody's actually > dealt with this before? Ugh. Michael, Perhaps others have worked with more modern leasing companies. :-) Can't you itemize as appropriate for tax purposes yet provide the leasing company with a single, summary value? Rich -- Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D. | Integrity Credibility Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. | Innovation <http://www.appl-ecosys.com> Voice: 503-667-4517 Fax: 503-667-8863 |
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From: Michael H. <mh...@it...> - 2009-02-17 01:00:32
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Functionally, yes, there's half a dozen ways we can screw around and
make it work, we're just trying to avoid the hassle! :)
I suppose this could even be considered a bug, though if it
doesn't affect anybody else I wouldn't exactly expect Dieter to put
it on the radar.
Thanks,
Michael
On Feb 16, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Rich Shepard wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009, Michael Hasse wrote:
> That's exactly how we have been doing it historically. Problem is
> we are
> working with a new leasing company now and they want each hardware
> component to have the cost of the associated labor wrapped up into a
> single line item. So I'm assuming from the responses nobody's
> actually
> dealt with this before? Ugh.
Michael,
Perhaps others have worked with more modern leasing companies. :-)
Can't you itemize as appropriate for tax purposes yet provide the
leasing
company with a single, summary value?
Rich
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Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D. | Integrity
Credibility
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. | Innovation
<http://www.appl-ecosys.com> Voice: 503-667-4517 Fax:
503-667-8863
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Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San
Francisco, CA
-OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the
Enterprise
-Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source
participation
-Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source
code: SFAD
http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H
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