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From: Assured C. <as...@as...> - 2004-09-05 18:29:12
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Hi, This is a 2 layer question. Dear Mr. Simader, how is payroll coming? Our payroll is being handled in Peachtree at the moment. What accounts d= o I need to show taxes and whatnot in SL. Specifically, how should they be defined so they will fit into Dieter's scheme without making a mess when = he finally is ready to release it? I'm trying to plan ahead a little bit here. Thanks for a great program and all the help here. Bob |
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From: Robert B. <rob...@sy...> - 2004-10-04 19:31:52
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Does anyone know if there is any simple payroll module planned? (even = one that just stores the data without calulating deductions, etc.?) Thanks, Bob |
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From: Dieter S. <dsi...@sq...> - 2004-10-04 20:14:58
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You can do payroll with the GL or if you want to print cheques use the AP and setup employees as vendors. -- Dieter Simader http://www.sql-ledger.com (780) 472-8161 DWS Systems Inc. Accounting Software Fax: 478-5281 ============ On a clear disk you can seek forever ========== On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, Robert Brennan wrote: > Does anyone know if there is any simple payroll module planned? (even one that just stores the data without calulating deductions, etc.?) > > Thanks, Bob |
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From: Santoken <san...@br...> - 2004-10-04 22:33:01
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Is there still a payroll module in the future for SL? Dieter Simader wrote: > You can do payroll with the GL or if you want to print cheques use the AP > and setup employees as vendors. > |
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From: Robert B. <rob...@sy...> - 2004-10-05 00:28:36
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If payroll is done through the GL, is there some way of getting a report = that groups payroll data by employee in order to get year end payroll = totals for each employee (eg. the data required for T4's)? Many thanks again, Bob |
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From: Dieter S. <dsi...@sq...> - 2004-10-05 02:56:03
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You can extract all the information you need for a T4 from a GL report as long as you make consistant Journal entries. -- Dieter Simader http://www.sql-ledger.com (780) 472-8161 DWS Systems Inc. Accounting Software Fax: 478-5281 ============ On a clear disk you can seek forever ========== On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, Robert Brennan wrote: > If payroll is done through the GL, is there some way of getting a report > that groups payroll data by employee in order to get year end payroll > totals for each employee (eg. the data required for T4's)? > > Many thanks again, Bob |
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From: Michael R. <mc...@sa...> - 2004-10-05 13:30:18
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Robert> (eg. the data required for T4's)?
If you enter the employee's name as part of the reference in the GL
entry for the deductions, then you can get the report of the
Wages/Salaries account for the year.
Alas, this means that you have to add things up yourself.
That's why a payroll module would be nice.
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From: Tony <to...@in...> - 2004-10-05 15:09:41
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A *real* payroll module should also include taxes, garnishments, history of payrates...local, city,state taxes.. union dues, insurance.. etc etc. So using GL as a 'work around' would be really limiting, and might get you in trouble with the state/feds.... On Tuesday 05 October 2004 08:28 am, Michael Richardson wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >>>>> "Robert" == Robert Brennan <rob...@sy...> writes: > > Robert> If payroll is done through the GL, is there some way of > Robert> getting a report that groups payroll data by employee in > Robert> order to get year end payroll totals for each employee > Robert> (eg. the data required for T4's)? > > If you enter the employee's name as part of the reference in the GL > entry for the deductions, then you can get the report of the > Wages/Salaries account for the year. > Alas, this means that you have to add things up yourself. > That's why a payroll module would be nice. > > - -- > ] "Elmo went to the wrong fundraiser" - The Simpson | > firewalls [ ] Michael Richardson, Xelerance Corporation, Ottawa, ON > |net architect[ ] mc...@xe... > http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/mcr/ |device driver[ ] panic("Just > another Debian GNU/Linux using, kernel hacking, security guy"); [ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Finger me for keys > > iQCVAwUBQWKhiYqHRg3pndX9AQG1xQQA6eXJkowCZllYcsnO99l7Vz7kpJYew8iP > Of23T3aSabyYGyD85itBNElBTM6qD1O0bV3l3Uj7NLd2u6z4XtU62hBW+ug9zke+ > hS3QP8imHZeRK0Kbh9yZ46/TBzNd8hkaqgquBYDk+9eWdfJAxkKrcNKcwc8uw44K > 3i1K4KN5JWk= > =2yHY > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IT Product Guide on ITManagersJournal > Use IT products in your business? Tell us what you think of them. Give us > Your Opinions, Get Free ThinkGeek Gift Certificates! Click to find out more > http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/guidepromo.tmpl > _______________________________________________ > sql-ledger-users mailing list > sql...@sq... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/sql-ledger-users |
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From: Gabriel M. <gmi...@gm...> - 2004-10-05 15:58:57
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is http://search.cpan.org/~jamesp/payroll-0.8/ a good starting place? i have looked at it to a degree and then went back to my homebrew semi-static system. |
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From: Michael R. <mc...@sa...> - 2004-10-05 21:13:05
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Tony> A *real* payroll module should also include taxes,
Tony> garnishments, history of payrates...local, city,state
Tony> taxes.. union dues, insurance.. etc etc.
yes, of course.
Tony> So using GL as a 'work around' would be really limiting, and
Tony> might get you in trouble with the state/feds....
As long as you do the calculations right, there should be no issue.
If you live in a place where they mandate what software you can use,
well,...
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From: Santoken <san...@br...> - 2004-10-06 00:32:09
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Is anyone (including Dieter) working on any fashion of a payroll module for SL? |
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From: Matthew P. <mp...@he...> - 2004-10-06 01:35:35
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On Tue, Oct 05, 2004 at 08:43:11PM -0400, Santoken wrote: > Is anyone (including Dieter) working on any fashion of a payroll module= =20 > for SL? <raises hand> it's in the planning stages at present, trying to work out whether it's going to be economically viable to do it. It'll be .au-centric, though, at least at first, which will limit it's utility for all those places that have even more screwed-up tax laws than we do. <grin> - Matt --=20 "The day when Hurd is so common that we want to emulate its braindamages is not going to be in my life-time, I suspect." -- Linus Torvalds |
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From: <sc...@da...> - 2004-10-06 02:02:54
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Yes, I am. But I'm afraid I may have a somewhat different view of payroll=
. Many
of the problems associated with payroll revolve around automatic calculat=
ion of
tax rates etc. I have taken the view that these items can be manually cal=
culated.=20
I have some external CGI script which are doing the jobs so far, bu=
t there
are problems with them.
David C Scott
Daedal Services Pty Ltd
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From: Dieter S. <dsi...@sq...> - 2004-10-13 17:06:45
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The current payroll as it has been since earlier this year is at a stage where the deduction models are a set of rules to define deductions for both the payroll and employees. These rules work in the US, Austria, Hungary and Canada. The later is a bit of a screwball because it isn't straight forward. All the logic exists already but the code is not enabled because there is still a lot missing. I answer the next question. When will it be ready? I don't know and I am not making any predictions either. All I am saying is, I commited resources for development again. -- Dieter Simader http://www.sql-ledger.com (780) 472-8161 DWS Systems Inc. Accounting Software Fax: 478-5281 ============ On a clear disk you can seek forever ========== |
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From: Peo N. <pn...@ne...> - 2005-07-21 13:35:33
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Has anyone used sql-ledger for managing employees payroll. If so, please suggest me how I can I do it? I have a working 2.4.3 version of sql-ledger for other financial modules. Thanks, Peo |
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From: Gerard K. <ge...@sh...> - 2005-07-22 11:59:59
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On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:12:12 +0200, Peo Nathan =20 <pn...@ne...> wrote: > Has anyone used sql-ledger for managing employees payroll. If so, pleas= e =20 > suggest me how I can I do it? I have a working 2.4.3 version of =20 > sql-ledger for other financial modules. > > Thanks, > Peo Hi There currently isn't a payroll module in SL. I make use of an external Payroll system (Excel and Word) to do my =20 Payroll, and then I manually capture the figures into SL on a monthly basis. This =20 usually just entails going to last months entries, and doing a "Post as New" - as =20 salaries dont change often. (Please note - We're a small company, so this might not wor= k =20 for you) Regards, Gerard |
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From: Beau O'H. <bo...@an...> - 2005-11-23 17:33:09
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I am currently taking a look at SQL-Ledger, as an alternative to our current Peachtree system. I was curious how other people were handling payroll. Unless of course it is included in SQL-Ledger and I missed it somehow. =20 Thanks, Beau O'Hara |
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From: Akhmad D. S. <da...@vi...> - 2005-11-24 02:21:55
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Beau O'Hara wrote: > I am currently taking a look at SQL-Ledger, as an alternative to our > current Peachtree system. I was curious how other people were > handling payroll. Unless of course it is included in SQL-Ledger and I > missed it somehow. > > Thanks, > Beau O'Hara Hi, SQL Ledger does not have a built in payroll system (yet?)... hope Dieter will add this highly-demanded feature soon :-) But, you may check bisQuest (http://sourceforge.net/projects/bisquest), a fork of SL 2.6.14 which contains a new module for payroll system (and a nicre drop down menu ). I do not know wheter this project is still active or not. -- Thanks & Regards AKhmad Daniel Sembiring -- Business Accounting, Education & e-Gov System Provider http://vitraining.com . we make IT works for you! Ligarwangi 42 Bandung . Indonesia 40191, P +62 22 2505573 |
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From: <cbb...@cb...> - 2005-11-24 04:23:21
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> I am currently taking a look at SQL-Ledger, as an alternative to our
> current Peachtree system. I was curious how other people were handling
> payroll. Unless of course it is included in SQL-Ledger and I missed it
> somehow.
The Trouble With Payroll is that:
a) It is terribly jurisdiction-specific.
Note that Dieter Simader is in Edmonton, which is reasonably likely
to be in a different country than you live in. Foreign rules tend
to be different, whatever foreign country (or state or province or
territory) you may be in.
b) The rules change, steadily.
For the G/L, debits are debits and credits are credits; tax rates
sometimes change multiple times in the year...
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You must be meaning how people deal with recording payroll transactions
outsourced to third party services. There is nothing special for that
in SL. Just a ledger transaction. Since you can use previous entries
as templates for new ones, it is a fairly simple copying procedure.<br>
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The Trouble With Payroll is that:
a) It is terribly jurisdiction-specific.
Note that Dieter Simader is in Edmonton, which is reasonably likely
to be in a different country than you live in. Foreign rules tend
to be different, whatever foreign country (or state or province or
territory) you may be in.
b) The rules change, steadily.
For the G/L, debits are debits and credits are credits; tax rates
sometimes change multiple times in the year...
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From: Stuart L. <s-l...@uc...> - 2006-02-24 17:58:54
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Well, I'm about to do payroll for the first time. We don't have that many employees so I can do the withholding calculations in a spreadsheet without trouble. But I don't know what to do after that. Do I make the employees vendors, and put their pay in AP transactions? This looks likely, since account 5410 appears in the account pull-down. Do I also make the government a vendor for the purpose of paying withholding? Do I just do a cash transfer from the checking account to 2110 Accrued Income Tax - Federal, and 2120 Accrued Income Tax - State, and then pay the AP from these accounts when the tax has to be paid at the end of the quarter? Thanks in advance for any help. -- Stuart Luppescu -=-=- s-luppescu <AT> uchicago <DOT> edu CCSR at U of C ,.;-*^*-;., www.consortium-chicago.org (^_^)/ $B:MJ8$HCRF`H~$NIc(B Thank God I'm an atheist! |
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From: Angus C. <ac...@sa...> - 2006-02-24 18:45:35
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Stuart Luppescu wrote: > Well, I'm about to do payroll for the first time. We don't have that > many employees so I can do the withholding calculations in a > spreadsheet without trouble. But I don't know what to do after that. > Do I make the employees vendors, and put their pay in AP transactions? > This looks likely, since account 5410 appears in the account > pull-down. Do I also make the government a vendor for the purpose of > paying withholding? Do I just do a cash transfer from the checking > account to 2110 Accrued Income Tax - Federal, and 2120 Accrued Income > Tax - State, and then pay the AP from these accounts when the tax has > to be paid at the end of the quarter? > > Thanks in advance for any help. > That's more-or-less what we do here. I calculate the earnings with cdnpayroll, which tells me what to put in the boxes. Then, I prep an AP transaction for the employee. In notes, I put the number of hours worked, and then put a straight amount in the box coming from "wages and salaries payable". For deductions, I put a negative amount in the boxes for tax, CPP & EI (We're in Canada). These go to the appropriate Payable accounts. At the end of each month, I prepare a single GL entry which moves everything around properly, including the employer contributions for CPP, EI and WCB. Then, I do an AP Transaction for the government, and an AP transaction for the WCB to zero those accounts. That happens on the last day of the month, so that I can have all of payroll happen at month-end, which is how I am supposed to do it for the government. I think that's the right approach, but I'm sharing for the sake of participating in a discussion of the whole thing, as I can always use some thoughts from people as they come up. Angus Carr. |
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From: Stuart L. <s-l...@uc...> - 2006-03-02 15:04:38
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On =E9=87=91, 2006-02-24 at 12:45 -0600, Angus Carr wrote: > Thanks in advance for any help. > > > That's more-or-less what we do here. > I calculate the earnings with cdnpayroll, which tells me what to put > in the boxes. Then, I prep an AP transaction for the employee. In > notes, I put the number of hours worked, and then put a straight > amount in the box coming from "wages and salaries payable". For > deductions, I put a negative amount in the boxes for tax, CPP & EI > (We're in Canada). These go to the appropriate Payable accounts. OK, but I don't get this exactly. I put each employee's gross pay in an AP transaction, and then entered the net pay (gross pay - deductions) in a cash payment. But since the net pay is less than the gross pay, the transactions remain open. Do I enter negative AP transactions for the deductions, or do I transfer cash (or do a GL transaction) from the employee's vendor account to 5510 - Inc Tax Expense Federal? And then from 5510 to the Federal Gov't's vendor account? I'm confused. My head hurts. > At the end of each month, I prepare a single GL entry which moves=20 > everything around properly, including the employer contributions for=20 > CPP, EI and WCB. Then, I do an AP Transaction for the government, and > an AP transaction for the WCB to zero those accounts. That happens on > the last day of the month, so that I can have all of payroll happen at > month-end, which is how I am supposed to do it for the government. The exact meaning of ``GL entry which moves everything around properly'' is lost on me, I'm afraid. I'm sorry, but could you give me a little more detail? Thanks very much. --=20 Stuart Luppescu -=3D-=3D- s-luppescu <AT> uchicago <DOT> edu CCSR at U of C ,.;-*^*-;., www.consortium-chicago.org (^_^)/ =E6=89=8D=E6=96=87=E3=81=A8=E6=99=BA=E5=A5=88=E7=BE=8E=E3=81= =AE=E7=88=B6 Thank God I'm an atheist! |
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From: Angus C. <ac...@sa...> - 2006-03-02 15:52:32
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Stuart Luppescu wrote: >On 金, 2006-02-24 at 12:45 -0600, Angus Carr wrote: > > >>Thanks in advance for any help. >> >> >>That's more-or-less what we do here. >>I calculate the earnings with cdnpayroll, which tells me what to put >>in the boxes. Then, I prep an AP transaction for the employee. In >>notes, I put the number of hours worked, and then put a straight >>amount in the box coming from "wages and salaries payable". For >>deductions, I put a negative amount in the boxes for tax, CPP & EI >>(We're in Canada). These go to the appropriate Payable accounts. >> >> > >OK, but I don't get this exactly. I put each employee's gross pay in an >AP transaction, and then entered the net pay (gross pay - deductions) in >a cash payment. But since the net pay is less than the gross pay, the >transactions remain open. Do I enter negative AP transactions for the >deductions, or do I transfer cash (or do a GL transaction) from the >employee's vendor account to 5510 - Inc Tax Expense Federal? And then >from 5510 to the Federal Gov't's vendor account? I'm confused. My head >hurts. > > > My head hurt too. You're in the US, I guess, so this may not be the right way for tax withholding, but what I get as an employee is a gross pay with a collection of deductions. These deductions are handled by the employer, and sent to the government, insurance, etc. As an employER, I pay my employees a gross hourly wage, say $10/hr. They work 60 hours in the pay period, so I pay them $600 gross. I think we've all got that part. The AP Transaction is from "Wages and Salaries Payable" or something like that. In my books, it's a payable, which I will later move to expense, once the cheque clears. It doesn't go into COGS, or anything like that, because of the nature of the business. We have CPP, EI, and tax deductions to calculate for the employee. They are all handled by tables, external software, what have you. As far as SL is concerned, I consult a higher power- it doesn't matter, I need to reduce the payment to the employee by some known amount. On the employee's AP transaction for the month, I put a negative amount for CPP, payable from the "CPP Payable" account. I then put a negative amount for EI, and a negative amount for taxes withheld. The employee ends up with an AP transaction saying (roughly): $600 Wages & Salaries Payable -$10.62 CPP Payable -$8.79 EI Payable -$12.00 Tax Payable ================ $568.59 Net Payable At the same time as I post the AP Transaction to pay the employee, I put in the employer's contributions. These are matching payments into the CPP Payable and EI Payable accounts. They are also reported by the payroll package. I pay from the Expense to the Payable account. At month end, I do an AP Transaction paying from the CPP Payable account and the EI Payable and the withheld Tax Payable accounts to the governement. I make sure that at the month-end, the payable accounts are 0'd. That's our monthly process. ps. CPP is Canada Pension Plan, EI is Employment Insurance. >>At the end of each month, I prepare a single GL entry which moves >>everything around properly, including the employer contributions for >>CPP, EI and WCB. Then, I do an AP Transaction for the government, and >>an AP transaction for the WCB to zero those accounts. That happens on >>the last day of the month, so that I can have all of payroll happen at >>month-end, which is how I am supposed to do it for the government. >> >> > >The exact meaning of ``GL entry which moves everything around properly'' >is lost on me, I'm afraid. I'm sorry, but could you give me a little >more detail? > > > The GL Entry to move stuff is an entry to move the payable amount to expense accounts. I'm sure there are other ways to do it, but that's what I've been doing, based on list reading, and a functional knowledge of our business. At the end of the month, my accounts balance, and the chequing account reconciles, so I can't complain. Angus Carr. |
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From: <in...@ca...> - 2006-03-02 15:55:15
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Here what we do (US): ---Set up employee as vendor ---- AP transaction for employee: $Gross pay Wages and Salaries (Exp acct) -$Fed.Inc.W/hold Fed.Inc.W/hold (Liability acct) -$Employee FICA Employee FICA (Liability acct) -$State Inc.W/hold State Inc.W/hold (Liability acct) ---------------------------- $Total (Net pay) Accrued Wages (Liability acct) --- Set up Payroll service as vendor (or tax entity) --- AP transaction for Payroll Service (similar for tax entity) $Fed.Inc.W/hold Fed.Inc.W/hold (Liability acct) $Employee FICA Employee FICA (Liability acct) $Employer FICA Employer FICA (Exp acct) $FUTA FUTA (Exp acct) $SUTA SUTA (Exp acct) $State Inc.W/hold State Inc.W/hold (Liability acct) ---------------------------- $Total Account payable (Liability acct) --- Payments per Cash menu Hope that helps. On Friday 24 February 2006 12:57 pm, Stuart Luppescu wrote: > Well, I'm about to do payroll for the first time. We don't > have that many employees so I can do the withholding > calculations in a spreadsheet without trouble. But I don't > know what to do after that. Do I make the employees vendors, > and put their pay in AP transactions? This looks likely, since > account 5410 appears in the account pull-down. Do I also make > the government a vendor for the purpose of paying withholding? > Do I just do a cash transfer from the checking account to 2110 > Accrued Income Tax - Federal, and 2120 Accrued Income Tax - > State, and then pay the AP from these accounts when the tax > has to be paid at the end of the quarter? > > Thanks in advance for any help. |
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