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From: Nebojsa J. <nj...@ci...> - 2001-11-03 17:57:55
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No in Switzerland you can change the transaction after it was entered, but not after balance (quarterly or yearly) was done. Nebojsa 03.11.2001 18:20:57, Keld J?rn Simonsen <ke...@dk...> wrote: >Hi ! > >I talked with Dieter about a need for not being >able to change a transaction, once it has been entered. >This is a requirement by Danish law, so it is important >for Danes sql-ledger users to have that capability. > >I wonder if this is a requirement on other countries. >Does anyone out there have information on this? > >Kind regards >Keld Simonsen > |
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From: root <ro...@ma...> - 2001-11-03 19:32:47
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Quickbooks (uughhh) has such a feature and here's how it works: once you close out your year, you can view all transactions but not edit prior year transactions. Transactions can be edited, but only by the "master user" i.e. the sysadmin. But, for the pureist accountants out there, i do agree that no transaction should ever be editable once entered, if you goof you just do a GL transfer and add a comment - ' - $xxx.xx to correct transaction 12345. but, just my two cents! |
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From: Leo R. M. <Le...@Ne...> - 2001-11-04 02:18:19
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I don't believe that GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principles) requires the inability to alter or delete transactions. This is still a big argument because the proponents of the inability want to assume that everyone's dishonest. On the other hand, I had a client who stopped doing his bookkeeping because he couldn't figure out how the reverse an entry in the GL. While some accounting professionals might want to demand that we make the bookkeeping sufficiently difficult that most small businesses would have to have their accountant do the work, the ultimate principle of GAAP is that you get the right answer in a timely manner.=20 Most countries only refer to GAAP by reference. I suspect that Denmark doesn't specifically prohibit the removal and editing of transactions but someone has interpreted GAAP to include audit trail and therefore is saying that the law says so. I had a client here in Canada who had been told the same thing here and, when challenged, had to admit that it was only his interpretation of GAAP and no such Canadian law existed verbatim. What got that accountant's services terminated was that he wasn't aware of the regulations that could have saved our mutual client much money. =20 As we teach people new to the net, corroborate your information with at least two other independent sources. Don't take my word for it, see if you can get a reference to the legislation and look it up. Regards, Leo R Masciuch, MBA, PEng Netryst Corp. 5051 Vantage Cres NW Calgary, AB T3A 1X6 CANADA Le...@Ne... -----Original Message----- From: root [mailto:ro...@ma...] Sent: November 3, 2001 12:36 To: ke...@dk...; nj...@ci... Cc: sql...@li... Subject: Re: no change capabilty for a transaction Quickbooks (uughhh) has such a feature and here's how it works: once you close out your year, you can view all transactions but not edit prior year transactions. Transactions can be edited, but only by the "master user" i.e. the sysadmin. But, for the pureist accountants out there, i do agree that no transaction should ever be editable once entered, if you goof you just do a GL transfer and add a comment - ' - $xxx.xx to correct transaction 12345. but, just my two cents! |
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From: Terry C. <te...@wo...> - 2001-11-04 05:11:58
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"Leo R. Masciuch" wrote:
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> I don't believe that GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principles)
> requires the inability to alter or delete transactions.
As I understand it, you do not alter a transaction, but reverse the
transaction. So if I make a pay a bill and accidentally record it as
being done by my cheque account, rather than my credit card, that
accidental transaction is reversed (net effect zero), rather than
deleted. This entry and reversal simply records the mistake, so should
it have caused some other problems, you/someone can find the cause in
the future.
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From: Morten J. <mo...@ne...> - 2001-11-04 20:23:08
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From: <ke...@dk...> - 2001-11-03 18:58:05
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What I am looking for is something like what Nebosja is describing, that the very nice correcting capabilities in sql-ledger be retained, buth that there is a facility to mark all transactions as "unchangeable" at a certain point in time, eg when you have finished all bookkeeping for a month, a quarter or a year. I think this is a useful feature, and as reported here it seems to be a legal requirement in a number of countries, for bigger firms. Kind regards keld On Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 06:57:10PM +0100, Nebojsa Joncic wrote: > No in Switzerland you can change the transaction after it was entered, > but not after balance (quarterly or yearly) was done. > > Nebojsa > 03.11.2001 18:20:57, Keld J?rn Simonsen <ke...@dk...> wrote: > > >Hi ! > > > >I talked with Dieter about a need for not being > >able to change a transaction, once it has been entered. > >This is a requirement by Danish law, so it is important > >for Danes sql-ledger users to have that capability. > > > >I wonder if this is a requirement on other countries. > >Does anyone out there have information on this? > > > >Kind regards > >Keld Simonsen > > > > > |
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