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Re: posting to this list

[Sergio A. K. <ser...@ho...>]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Vagn Scott" <va...@ra...>


> "Sergio A. Kessler" wrote:
> 
> > NOTICE: When replying, please Reply to the list address. This way other
> > members know if the issues have been resolved or not. Thanks! Your List
> > administrator.
> 
> This is WRONG. 

hey, take it easy...
I did not write that, it's the new mailist footer...
(but dieter forget to put the almost obligatory "--"
 in the first line)

> Use REPLY TO ALL.

this is what I said (see previous mail)...
(but is not going to work)

> That includes the list.
> Get a clue.  Read this:
> http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

I've read that document some years ago, but you can't
ask every new list member to read that document,
they just push "reply", they don't even understand what
is the "reply-to" feature in their mail apps...
(and I don't think that feature is much used nowdays)

I repeat: they just push "reply", no amount of bitching
is gonna change that (unfortunely)...

this is why I think the automatic reply-to to the list
has a better cost/benefit ratio.

/sergio

Re: permission denied users/members

[<gha...@fr...>]

On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, kevin bailey wrote:

> i am currently tring to create a new database - and am getting the message
> 
> IDENT authentication failed

You need to edit /etc/postgresql/pg_hba.conf to set up how
you want Host Based Authentication (that's what hba is in pg_hba)
working.  I think dpkg installs a line like:
#host   all   127.0.0.1   255.255.255.255   password
I changed mine to
host   all   192.168.10.2   255.255.255.255   password
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^ IP of your interface


Gord

Re: Error! No Database Drivers available!

[kevin b. <kev...@bi...>]

thanks for the help

BTW - great quote at the bottom of your emails - it should be the motto 
for linux!!

kev

Cesar Villanueva wrote:

> El Dom 17 Feb 2002 12:02, kevin bailey escribió:
> 
>>Error! No Database Drivers available!
>>
>>
> 
> SQL-Ledger checks whether Perl has DBI/DBD drivers installed. Here it can not 
> find any; maybe you have to install DBD-Pg (if you are using PostgreSQL).
> 
> BTW, the check is in the bin/_browser_/admin.pl script, using User.pm module. 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>>when i access
>>http://localhost/sql-ledger/admin.pl
>>
>>using lynx over a remote sesion.
>>
>>i have these questions,
>>
>>can anybody help?!?
>>
>>has anyone run SL successfully on slackware - i am a debian man myself
>>but the server farm initially sets up the servers with slackware.  it
>>would cost - but i can get them to reinstall and use debian stable instead?
>>
>>how do you browse the list archive?
>>
>>thanks for any help,
>>
>>kev bailey
>>
>>
>>NOTICE: When replying, please Reply to the list address. This way other
>>members know if the issues have been resolved or not. Thanks! Your List
>>administrator.
>>
> 

Re: permission denied users/members

[kevin b. <kev...@bi...>]

hi there,

thanks for the reply - i had found these packages but its good to hear 
i'm on the right track!

i am going to suggest some updates to the installation instructions now 
that woody is about to be frozen and become the stable debian distribution.

i am currently tring to create a new database - and am getting the message

IDENT authentication failed

i think this may be to do with the setup of postgres and am checking it 
out via deja.com

thanks again,

kev

gha...@fr... wrote:

> On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, kevin bailey wrote:
> 
> 
>>it looks like i am further on with an attempt to install to a 
>>debian/woody test machine.
>>
>>2. the install DBI - is this possible to do via apt-get etc.
>>
>>if not - where do i get hold of
>>DBI-1.14.tar.gz
>>
> libdbi-perl is what Debian calls it.  I have 1.20 on unstable
> 
>>and again - where do i get hold of DBD-Pg-0.95
>>
> libdbd-pg-perl is what Debian calls it.  I have 1.01 on unstable
> 
> Gord
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: posting to this list

[Rod R. <ro...@su...>]

On Sunday 17 February 2002 12:47 pm, Vagn Scott wrote:
> kevin bailey wrote:
[snip]
> Read this:
> http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

Excellent presentation.  I hadn't considered the problem of stomping on 
the original sender's reply-to header.

-- Rod
   http://www.sunsetsystems.com/

Re: posting to this list

[Vagn S. <va...@ra...>]

"Sergio A. Kessler" wrote:

> NOTICE: When replying, please Reply to the list address. This way other
> members know if the issues have been resolved or not. Thanks! Your List
> administrator.

This is WRONG.  Use REPLY TO ALL.  That includes the list.
Get a clue.  Read this:
http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

Learn to use your tools properly.  Ignorance is no virtue.

-- 
         _~|__
   >@   (vagn(     /
    \`-ooooooooo-'/
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Re: posting to this list

[Vagn S. <va...@ra...>]

kevin bailey wrote:
> 
> hi there,
> 
> i think the list should be easy for less technical users as well - i
> would like a company administrator to be able to use the list to keep up
> to date with _using_ SL - and they may not fully appreciate how the
> lists work.
> 
> maybe there should be two lists - one for technical 'resellers' and the
> other for business users.
> 
> kev

Read this:
http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html


-- 
         _~|__
   >@   (vagn(     /
    \`-ooooooooo-'/
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Re: posting to this list

[Sergio A. K. <ser...@ho...>]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Lyons" <ri...@th...>


>
> On Sunday 17 February 2002  3:24, se...@gt... wrote:
> > I missed most of the discussions on this topic, [snip]
>
> Since this discussion runs and runs, I may as well add my ha'p'orth.  I
> didn't miss any of it, and I must say I agree with Rod and Will: While it
is
> "close to a non-issue", surely we are grown up enough to work out how to
> reply to the list.  If necessary the welcome message could just state
>
> > NOTICE: When replying, please Reply to the list address.
> > This way other members know if the issues been resolved or not.
> > Thanks! Your List administrator.

sorry, but I don't think this is going to work, you need
something like:

"push the 'reply-to-all' button, stoopid !"   ;)

and I don't think even that will work, there is just too
much mailings lists that set the reply-to in this world,
and that is what most users are using...

/sergio

Re: Error! No Database Drivers available!

[Cesar V. <da...@et...>]

El Dom 17 Feb 2002 12:02, kevin bailey escribi=F3:
> Error! No Database Drivers available!
>

SQL-Ledger checks whether Perl has DBI/DBD drivers installed. Here it can=
 not=20
find any; maybe you have to install DBD-Pg (if you are using PostgreSQL).

BTW, the check is in the bin/_browser_/admin.pl script, using User.pm mod=
ule.=20
=20


> when i access
> http://localhost/sql-ledger/admin.pl
>
> using lynx over a remote sesion.
>
> i have these questions,
>
> can anybody help?!?
>
> has anyone run SL successfully on slackware - i am a debian man myself
> but the server farm initially sets up the servers with slackware.  it
> would cost - but i can get them to reinstall and use debian stable inst=
ead?
>
> how do you browse the list archive?
>
> thanks for any help,
>
> kev bailey
>
>
> NOTICE: When replying, please Reply to the list address. This way other
> members know if the issues have been resolved or not. Thanks! Your List
> administrator.

--=20
C=E9sar Villanueva
SuSE Linux C.A.
"First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you.
Then they fight you. Then you win." [Gandhi]=20

Re: permission denied users/members

[<gha...@fr...>]

On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, kevin bailey wrote:

> it looks like i am further on with an attempt to install to a 
> debian/woody test machine.
> 
> 2. the install DBI - is this possible to do via apt-get etc.
> 
> if not - where do i get hold of
> DBI-1.14.tar.gz
libdbi-perl is what Debian calls it.  I have 1.20 on unstable
> and again - where do i get hold of DBD-Pg-0.95
libdbd-pg-perl is what Debian calls it.  I have 1.01 on unstable

Gord

permission denied users/members

[kevin b. <kev...@bi...>]

hi all,

it looks like i am further on with an attempt to install to a 
debian/woody test machine.

i have come up against the error

permission denied users/members

also, i am not entirely sure about the debian instructions.

1. i take it that there is a typo on point 4 and that the file which 
should be altered is
  /etc/postgresql/postmaster.conf

and not .init

2. the install DBI - is this possible to do via apt-get etc.

if not - where do i get hold of
DBI-1.14.tar.gz

3. these lines,
$ export POSTGRES_INCLUDE=/usr/include/postgresql
$ export POSTGRES_LIB=/var/lib/postgres

...can i take it that these are temporary variables set up for when the 
DBD-Pg is installed which happens next.

and again - where do i get hold of DBD-Pg-0.95

thanks for any help,

kev

Re: posting to this list[OT]

[Wil C. <wc...@na...>]

Also Sprach Kenneth Gonsalves <la...@th...> on Sat, Feb 16, 2002=
 at 11:52:02PM PST
> sounds cool. what do you use to filter your mails?

Procmail.  Most GUI mailers support filtering on their own
too, like Netscape, Lookout, etc.

Wil
--=20
W. Reilly Cooley                           wc...@na...
Naked Ape Consulting                        http://nakedape.cc
irc.linux.com                                     #orlug,#lnxs

"There was a vague, unpleasant manginess about his appearence; he somehow
seemed dirty, though a close glance showed him as carefully shaven as an
actor, and clad in immaculate linen."
-- H.L. Mencken, on the death of William Jennings Bryan

Error! No Database Drivers available!

[kevin b. <kev...@bi...>]

hi there,

i am just trying to install SL on a slackware server which is colocated 
on a server farm and i'm getting the error

Error! No Database Drivers available!

when i access
http://localhost/sql-ledger/admin.pl

using lynx over a remote sesion.

i have these questions,

can anybody help?!?

has anyone run SL successfully on slackware - i am a debian man myself 
but the server farm initially sets up the servers with slackware.  it 
would cost - but i can get them to reinstall and use debian stable instead?

how do you browse the list archive?

thanks for any help,

kev bailey

Re: posting to this list

[kevin b. <kev...@bi...>]

hi there,

i think the list should be easy for less technical users as well - i 
would like a company administrator to be able to use the list to keep up 
to date with _using_ SL - and they may not fully appreciate how the 
lists work.

maybe there should be two lists - one for technical 'resellers' and the 
other for business users.

kev


Richard Lyons wrote:

> On Sunday 17 February 2002  3:24, se...@gt... wrote:
> 
>>I missed most of the discussions on this topic, [snip]
>>
> 
> Since this discussion runs and runs, I may as well add my ha'p'orth.  I 
> didn't miss any of it, and I must say I agree with Rod and Will: While it is 
> "close to a non-issue", surely we are grown up enough to work out how to 
> reply to the list.  If necessary the welcome message could just state 
> 
> 
>>NOTICE: When replying, please Reply to the list address. 
>>This way other members know if the issues been resolved or not. 
>>Thanks! Your List administrator.
>>
>>
> 
> Then it is really hardly a matter of principle whether replies go in two 
> copies to the person being replied to - on the whole, It is not a bad idea as 
> Will explained.
> 
> Why not leave things as they are.
> 
> --
> richard
> 
> NOTICE: When replying, please Reply to the list address. This way other members know if the issues been resolved or not. Thanks! Your List administrator.
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: posting to this list

[Kenneth G. <la...@th...>]

this is not a non-issue. why not make the default a reply to the list and a 
notice like this:
'by default your reply will go to all list members. if you are shy, or do not 
wish to cast your pearls before swine, byepass the list and post to the 
sender'
kg
On Sunday 17 February 2002 13:13, Richard Lyons wrote:
> On Sunday 17 February 2002  3:24, se...@gt... wrote:
> > I missed most of the discussions on this topic, [snip]
>
> Since this discussion runs and runs, I may as well add my ha'p'orth.  I
> didn't miss any of it, and I must say I agree with Rod and Will: While it
> is "close to a non-issue", surely we are grown up enough to work out how to
> reply to the list.  If necessary the welcome message could just state
>
> > NOTICE: When replying, please Reply to the list address.
> > This way other members know if the issues been resolved or not.
> > Thanks! Your List administrator.
>
> Then it is really hardly a matter of principle whether replies go in two
> copies to the person being replied to - on the whole, It is not a bad idea
> as Will explained.
>
> Why not leave things as they are.
>
> --
> richard
>
> NOTICE: When replying, please Reply to the list address. This way other
> members know if the issues been resolved or not. Thanks! Your List
> administrator.

Re: posting to this list[OT]

[Kenneth G. <la...@th...>]

sounds cool. what do you use to filter your mails?
kg
On Sunday 17 February 2002 08:07, Wil Cooley wrote:
> Also Sprach Kenneth Gonsalves <la...@th...> on Sat, Feb 16, 2002
> at 06:33:54PM PST
>
> > and i got two copies of your mail
>
> Yeah, but I get one in my list mailbox (because I filter on
> list-manager headers) and one in my inbox, so I know right away if
> you responded to me.  I'm on 40 or 50 mailing lists and don't get
> around to reading to reading them before they expire; I prefer I
> get a copy in my inbox for threads I'm actively discussing on.
>
> Wil

Re: posting to this list

[Richard L. <ri...@th...>]

On Sunday 17 February 2002  3:24, se...@gt... wrote:
> I missed most of the discussions on this topic, [snip]

Since this discussion runs and runs, I may as well add my ha'p'orth.  I 
didn't miss any of it, and I must say I agree with Rod and Will: While it is 
"close to a non-issue", surely we are grown up enough to work out how to 
reply to the list.  If necessary the welcome message could just state 

> NOTICE: When replying, please Reply to the list address. 
> This way other members know if the issues been resolved or not. 
> Thanks! Your List administrator.
> 

Then it is really hardly a matter of principle whether replies go in two 
copies to the person being replied to - on the whole, It is not a bad idea as 
Will explained.

Why not leave things as they are.

--
richard

Re: Porting of SQL-Ledger to run on top of phpgroupware

[C K Wu <ck...@ch...>]

Todd,

Thank you for the information.

Last year, when I started the porting effort, I did look into ebXML to
find the best way to augment such a port.  However, at the time, ebXML
was apparently majoring on the interchange of ledger-processed results or
intermediate results, which was probably not what SQL-Ledger or CK-Ledger
intended, ie, internal use within an SME.  But, I'll certainly look into the
current situation of ebXML.  Given the current development with the
Enron case, there may yet be a more fundamental change with the underlining
accounting classification, so there may be another round of ebXML
modifications.

With the other standards, as you mentioned, they seem to be still in a state of
flux.
At this point, I would rather go for the traditional way of developing an
application
by adding more useful basic functions or by integrating discrete systems to add

value for the end user.

IMHO, standards are good.  However, too many layers of standards will
have the effect of stopping new developers from entering the game, as the
new guys have to expertise themselves with all these standards and its
complex interplay before they can start to service or develop
standard-compliant
systems.  Perhaps, the Open Source Movement, in a small way, helps
new comers to experiment with new ways beyond established standards.

Best Regards,
CK


Todd Boyle wrote:

> CK, thank you for the work you're doing. I'd like to advocate your
> work be based on a public standards process.
>
> The need for common semantics in design of accounting
> systems includes naming of tables and fields, making it
> unambiguous exactly what is the meaning of information stored
> in the application.  The precise definitions of these things by design,
> can greatly improve the efficiency of integrators when they come later,
> to connect other applications.  And it can greatly improve the
> quality of their results.   ISO 11179 or ebXML metadata registries
> are today, the prevailing way of documenting the naming of
> information entities and the meanings and relations between
> them.  This is your foundation for mapping.  The latest release
> of ebXML Core Components Technical Specification was
> announced and posted as an attachment, in the mailing list at
>   http://lists.ebtwg.org/archives/ebtwg-ccs/200202/msg00089.html
>
> Common semantics also includes the naming and definition
> of behaviors, i.e. the interfaces that the other object can
> expect to be performed when they are invoked.   UML modeling
> is today, the prevailing way of documenting, and communicating
> these behaviors.  There are at least three free UML programs now,
> (Objecteering, Poseidon and ArgoUML)
>
> There is a bigger picture within which these semantic arguments
> are being discussed and that is, the semantics used EXTERNALLY
> between trading partners.  The prevailing external vocabulary today
> is EDI of course.  But due to its shortcomings an explosion of
> XML vocabularies have come into use in hundreds of domains.
> The converging of these into a single framework is happening
> in a number of competing Mega-Standards bodies who are in the
> business of creating lots of different standards as their business
> model (ISO, W3C, DISA/X12, UN/CEFACT, OASIS, the OMG, etc.)
>
> I just want to point out a resource for you, for significant General Ledger
> standards at http://www.arapxml.net/research.htm  and the ongoing
> work on an ARAP general ledger on that site.  Please join with
> us to make the ARAP spec into something that serves your
> needs as well as everybody elses, and build against that.   Further,
> I hope you will join in the standardization of a wider set of GL
> information entities described in the Requirements document
> on the same website,
> http://www.arapxml.net/requirements.htm
>
> Thanks for your patience,
> TOdd
> Todd Boyle CPA  9745-128th Ave NE  Kirkland WA
> International Accounting Services, LLC  www.gldialtone.com
> tb...@ro...  425-827-3107  project www.arapxml.net
>
> At 10:52 PM 2/15/02, C K Wu wrote:
> >Hello, folks,
> >
> >This is a rather lengthy post.  Please bear with me.
> >
> >I have started a project at sourceforge and named it, CK-Ledger, which
> >is a port of SQL-Ledger to
> >phpgroupware.  http://sourceforge.net/projects/ck-ledger

RE: posting to this list

[<ma...@ds...>]

I missed most of the discussions on this topic, but why not get a newgroup
news.sql-ledger.com

If you guys need help, I can work something out with hosting on www.it45.com
servers.

Take care...
Sergio Mastronardi
Montreal, QC
Canada

Re: part / assembly + pricing

[Kenneth G. <la...@th...>]

this proves my point. when i first searched the archives of this list, i was 
disheartened by the apparently total lack of response to queries on the list. 
sql-ledger is great software - i dont think silly questions of netiquette 
should hinder its growth. after all, if reply-to-list is the default, this 
does not prevent one from replying to the sender alone and not sharing ones 
secrets with the list members!
dieter - even if you go with yahoo and its ads, i think the majority of us 
are with you - go for it!
regards
kg
On Sunday 17 February 2002 05:40,  Justin Reynolds wrote:
> NOTICE: When replying, please Reply to the list address. This way other
> members know if the issues at hand have been resolved or not. a few quick
> questions:

Re: posting to this list

[Wil C. <wc...@na...>]

Also Sprach Kenneth Gonsalves <la...@th...> on Sat, Feb 16, 2002=
 at 06:33:54PM PST
> and i got two copies of your mail

Yeah, but I get one in my list mailbox (because I filter on
list-manager headers) and one in my inbox, so I know right away if
you responded to me.  I'm on 40 or 50 mailing lists and don't get
around to reading to reading them before they expire; I prefer I
get a copy in my inbox for threads I'm actively discussing on.

Wil
--=20
W. Reilly Cooley                           wc...@na...
Naked Ape Consulting                        http://nakedape.cc
irc.linux.com                                     #orlug,#lnxs

The public demands certainties;  it must be told definitely and a bit
raucously that this is true and that is false.  But there are no certaintie=
s.
		-- H.L. Mencken, "Prejudice"

Re: posting to this list

[Kenneth G. <la...@th...>]

i have found yahoogroups a very good list manager. you have a lot of options 
like blocking attachments and monitoring suspect posters. the downside is the 
irritating advertisements that come with it. but the ads are always at the 
end, so after a while you get trained to ignore it.
since i found the reply-to-all feature, i hope everyone is enjoying getting 
two copies of each mail - frankly i prefer advertisements.
kg
ps yahoogroups also has a feature to import an already existing mailing list, 
so dieter would have the minimum of effort

On Sunday 17 February 2002 00:07, Rod Roark wrote:
> Well I feel it's close to a non-issue, as users always get to choose
> where their mail goes.  What the default reply-to does is "suggest"
> where most replies should go.
>
> Since replies tend to be answers to questions, and of interest to more
> than one person, I prefer the reply-to header.  That way more good
> stuff gets into the archives.
>
> Of course I understand that Sourceforge wants to reduce their huge
> bandwidth costs, and so does whatever they can to reduct demand.
> Good for them, bad for us.
>
> -- Rod
>    http://www.sunsetsystems.com/
>
> On Saturday 16 February 2002 10:11 am, Keld Jørn Simonsen wrote:
> > I think it is great that sourceforge have turned this option off,
> > and take it as yet another reason to stay with sourceforge.
> > Automatic Reply-to has always annoyed me and none of the lists
> > I administer use it.
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Keld

Re: posting to this list

[Kenneth G. <la...@th...>]

and i got two copies of your mail
kg
On Saturday 16 February 2002 22:38, Wil Cooley wrote:
> Also Sprach Kenneth Gonsalves <la...@th...> on Sat, Feb 16, 2002
> at 02:44:50AM PST
>
> > hi all
> > i have been regularly posting to this list, but since i am a subscriber
> > to several lists, i automatically delete any list message 'from' me
> > without reading it. so i just discovered that none of my posts are coming
> > to the list - they are all going to the individual to whom i am replying.
> > personally i feel that when pressing the 'reply' button on a message in a
> > list, the reply should go to the list - else it is a big headache, and i
> > feel the list members are also losing in the sense that many replies to
> > problems faced are not appearing on the list at all. could the list admin
> > do something about this?
>
> Try the 'reply-to-all' button.
>
> Wil

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Re: posting to this list

[Kenneth G. <la...@th...>]

yes works. and you get two copies of my reply
kg
On Saturday 16 February 2002 22:38, Wil Cooley wrote:
> Also Sprach Kenneth Gonsalves <la...@th...> on Sat, Feb 16, 2002
> at 02:44:50AM PST
>
> > hi all
> > i have been regularly posting to this list, but since i am a subscriber
> > to several lists, i automatically delete any list message 'from' me
> > without reading it. so i just discovered that none of my posts are coming
> > to the list - they are all going to the individual to whom i am replying.
> > personally i feel that when pressing the 'reply' button on a message in a
> > list, the reply should go to the list - else it is a big headache, and i
> > feel the list members are also losing in the sense that many replies to
> > problems faced are not appearing on the list at all. could the list admin
> > do something about this?
>
> Try the 'reply-to-all' button.
>
> Wil

Re: posting to this list

[Kenneth G. <la...@th...>]

all the yahoogroups i belong to have non html ads
kg
On Sunday 17 February 2002 03:26, Sergio A. Kessler wrote:
> http://groups.yahoo.com set the reply-to to the list.
>
> the bad news: the administrator have to have a yahoo account
> and yahoo insert html advertising in the foot of every msg.
>
> otherwise is a very nice and flexible system.
>
> /sergio