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[Springframework-rcp-dev] i18n Questions

[jwray <jon...@fi...>]

Hi,

I'm currently working on improving Mac support. As part of that I submitted
a patch recently that use Toolkit.getMenuShortcutKeyMask() to change
shortcut definitions to their platform specific value. However, Peter
pointed me in the direction of a more complete solution using the variant
aspect of Locale. I have something working but I have a question that people
with more experience with i18n may be able to help me with.

Basically, what I'm experiencing is that if I want macos specific variants I
need to specify both the language and the country files, eg, using English
as an example, messages_en_GB_macosx.properties and
messages_en_US_macosx.properties, which contain the same content. Is there a
way to specify a macosx variant file for all English speaking countries, and
not have to have a file for both GB and US? I've tried messages_en_macosx
but that does not work.

I can't find this mentioned anywhere on any i18n discussions and every
combination I've tried so far does not work.

thanks,
Jonny


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Re: [Springframework-rcp-dev] i18n Questions

[Eduardo I. <zi...@su...>]

I'm not sure if it is the best approach...
I should not be forced do internationalize my application, just to
make it work on the Mac.

I think that i18n/platform are two orthogonal features.


On 12/13/07, jwray <jon...@fi...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm currently working on improving Mac support. As part of that I submitted
> a patch recently that use Toolkit.getMenuShortcutKeyMask() to change
> shortcut definitions to their platform specific value. However, Peter
> pointed me in the direction of a more complete solution using the variant
> aspect of Locale. I have something working but I have a question that people
> with more experience with i18n may be able to help me with.
>
> Basically, what I'm experiencing is that if I want macos specific variants I
> need to specify both the language and the country files, eg, using English
> as an example, messages_en_GB_macosx.properties and
> messages_en_US_macosx.properties, which contain the same content. Is there a
> way to specify a macosx variant file for all English speaking countries, and
> not have to have a file for both GB and US? I've tried messages_en_macosx
> but that does not work.
>
> I can't find this mentioned anywhere on any i18n discussions and every
> combination I've tried so far does not work.
>
> thanks,
> Jonny
>
>
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Re: [Springframework-rcp-dev] i18n Questions

[jwray <jon...@fi...>]

Eduardo,

The problem of the Mac using a different shortcut key and sometimes a
different word for certain commands (eg Quit rather than Exit in English) is
exactly analogous to different languages using different words for the same
concept. Command labels and shortcut definitions are already specified in
messages resources files so using the same mechanism as a way of dealing
with labeling the commands differently on different platforms is a sound
approach I believe. That's probably why Locale has the mechanism in place
for dealing with such platform variants (thanks to Peter for pointing that
out to me)

Jonny


Eduardo Issao Ito wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure if it is the best approach...
> I should not be forced do internationalize my application, just to
> make it work on the Mac.
> 
> I think that i18n/platform are two orthogonal features.
> 
> 
> Eduardo Issao Ito
> Summa Technologies
> 
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Re: [Springframework-rcp-dev] i18n Questions

[Xavier B. <xav...@ac...>]

The way I know i18n works is that it looks first for the country
specific properties file ex.
messages_en_US, if it doesn't found the property it looks for it on
the language specific bundle messages_en and then you can have as well
a default bundle to be used if the property weren't found, this is a
properties file without the language and the country, ex.
messages.properties

You can try puting the generic information in the default bundle file,
then overide the specific with another bundle file for example for the
language then for the country and then for the variant code you're
using (macosx).

Maybe the information in the java tutorial can help you with this issue.
http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/i18n/index.html
This is the page where you can find an example using variant code.
http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/i18n/locale/create.html

Xavier


On Dec 13, 2007 7:05 AM, Eduardo Ito <zi...@su...> wrote:
> I'm not sure if it is the best approach...
> I should not be forced do internationalize my application, just to
> make it work on the Mac.
>
> I think that i18n/platform are two orthogonal features.
>
>
>
> On 12/13/07, jwray <jon...@fi...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm currently working on improving Mac support. As part of that I submitted
> > a patch recently that use Toolkit.getMenuShortcutKeyMask() to change
> > shortcut definitions to their platform specific value. However, Peter
> > pointed me in the direction of a more complete solution using the variant
> > aspect of Locale. I have something working but I have a question that people
> > with more experience with i18n may be able to help me with.
> >
> > Basically, what I'm experiencing is that if I want macos specific variants I
> > need to specify both the language and the country files, eg, using English
> > as an example, messages_en_GB_macosx.properties and
> > messages_en_US_macosx.properties, which contain the same content. Is there a
> > way to specify a macosx variant file for all English speaking countries, and
> > not have to have a file for both GB and US? I've tried messages_en_macosx
> > but that does not work.
> >
> > I can't find this mentioned anywhere on any i18n discussions and every
> > combination I've tried so far does not work.
> >
> > thanks,
> > Jonny
> >
> >
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Re: [Springframework-rcp-dev] i18n Questions

[jwray <jon...@fi...>]

Xavier,

Thanks for the reply.

That's exactly what I'm doing, over-riding the mac specific properties in a
file such as messages_en_US_macos.properties and it works fine. 

The problem is that I now need to specify such a file for every English
speaking country to get the macos variants applied to it. What I'd like is
to have a default English file with Mac variant but without specifying the
country, eg messages_en_macosx.properties, that is then used for all English
speaking countries. Every variation of file name without the country code
I've tried has not worked.

Jonny


Xavier Breton wrote:
> 
> The way I know i18n works is that it looks first for the country
> specific properties file ex.
> messages_en_US, if it doesn't found the property it looks for it on
> the language specific bundle messages_en and then you can have as well
> a default bundle to be used if the property weren't found, this is a
> properties file without the language and the country, ex.
> messages.properties
> 
> You can try puting the generic information in the default bundle file,
> then overide the specific with another bundle file for example for the
> language then for the country and then for the variant code you're
> using (macosx).
> 
> Maybe the information in the java tutorial can help you with this issue.
> http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/i18n/index.html
> This is the page where you can find an example using variant code.
> http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/i18n/locale/create.html
> 
> Xavier
> 
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