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From: Colin S. <col...@ex...> - 2003-08-19 01:11:03
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I was just suggesting another build option since there were already a few other variants with less layers. I agree that at this point it's probably not worth it. Maybe if it starts adding up to more (i.e. I don't like carrying around 600k of baggage when 350k would do, etc., although Spring is by no means the worst culprit in this). As for the Tapestry stuff, I'm still figuring out some best practices, but perhaps in a week or so I'll do a little writup and a small sample. jürgen höller [werk3AT] wrote: >Hi Colin, > >I'm delighted to hear that someone is using a Spring/Tapestry combo! If you are willing to document the setup for using Tapestry as web framework with Spring, please do so! > >We could also add respective notes for Struts, as it is particularly easy to combine that with Spring: Simply get a reference to the servlet context via getServlet().getServletContext() from within a Struts action, and fetch the root web application context via WebApplicationContextUtils. We could even offer a simple Action base class for that, especially now that we will have a struts.jar in the lib directory anyway. > >Regarding a build with everything but the web MVC framework: Are you concerned regarding the size of the jar? spring-full is currently just ~550 KB, and Tiles will only make it grow a few KB just like Velocity, as most of the stuff is in third-party libraries that aren't included anyway. I don't see any drawback if you still use the spring-full jar but just include the third-party libraries that you're actually using. The additional classes in spring-full don't hurt besides the size. Or do I miss something here? > >Juergen > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Colin Sampaleanu [mailto:col...@ex...] > Gesendet: Mo 18.08.2003 23:54 > An: jürgen höller [werk3AT] > Cc: al...@jt...; spr...@li... > Betreff: Re: [Springframework-developer] Adding Tiles to CVS... > > > > Can I suggest that the build produce another variant of Spring which > doesn't include the Spring mvc stuff or code like this Tiles support, > but does includethe non web-framework specific but web related classes? > I am talking about things like WebApplicationContextUtils. I am > (happily) using Spring with the Apache Tapestry framework. > WebApplicationContext, WebApplicationContextUtils, and other generic > classes which make the spring container more usable in a servlet > environment are useful to me, but I don't want to bring in other baggage > like the Spring web MVC stuff, or now the Tiles support. > > Also, I find Tapestry to be a very good web framework, which works at a > much higher level (component-based) than most web ui frameworks. Is > there interest in adding a document into Spring describing how to best > use Spring with Tapestry? The cleanest mechnism (allowing you to access > Spring context properties declaratively from Tapestry pages) is not > necessarilly that intuitive to figure out, so I think my > experimentation/work would be useful to other people. > > Regards, > Colin > > > jürgen höller [werk3AT] wrote: > > >Hi Aref, > > > >Then please go ahead! :-) > > > >There's just one issue that I'd like to resolve: How do you set up Tiles on startup? You've used a TilesViewResolver before which should not be necessary. We've discussed a TilesConfigurer, analogous to the existing VelocityConfigurer. What strategy did you choose in the end? > > > >Regarding the libraries: Please only include the compile-time dependencies, respectively the ones needed for executing the test suite. We did the same for Hibernate to avoid too much bloat. All of the libraries should go in lib/tiles, analogous to the existing lib/hibernate. > > > >Don't forget to use the new "spring" module with the org.springframework packages... ;-) > > > >Juergen > > > > > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: Alef Arendsen (JTeam) [mailto:al...@jt...] > > Gesendet: Mo 18.08.2003 22:13 > > An: spr...@li... > > Cc: > > Betreff: [Springframework-developer] Adding Tiles to CVS... > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm basically ready to add the Tiles functionality to the CVS. It's tested and works fine. > > > > We need to decide now which dependencies to include. Struts is dependant on the following libraries. The ones that have an * with them are the ones that are both compile-time and runtime, libraries without * are only runtime dependencies: > > > > *commons-beanutils > > *commons-digester > > *commons-logging (we already have that one) > > *struts (of course) > > commons-collections > > commons-lang > > commons-validator > > commons-fileupload > > jakarta-oro > > > > It's quite a list, but from the previous mails I saw nobody really objected to including them. So just add them??? > > > > Regards, > > > > Alef > > > > == > > JTeam B.V. > > Donker Curtiusstraat 7-412 > > 1051 JL Amsterdam > > T: +31 20 486 20 36 > > M: +31 6 24 11 1996 > > F: +31 84 837 00 00 > > E: al...@jt... > > W: www.jteam.nl <file://www.jteam.nl> > > > |
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From: Alef A. \(JTeam\) <al...@jt...> - 2003-08-18 21:36:30
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I've taken the Configurer approach, but might want to add the Resolver = later on... Why? Tiles includes a Locale specific DefinitionsFactory (I18FactorySet) that = loads definition files for different locales just as the = ResourceBundleViewResolver does. However, creating both properties-files = for the ResourceBundleViewResolver and definition files for the Tiles = definitions (one for each language) seems silly... When using the = InternalResourceViewResolver localization isn't (as the documentation = also says) possible... I didn't run into an app needing different definitions per language, but = this might be necessary for some people. Fro now the Configurer will = do!! By the way, I've set up a small example illustrating the Tiles behvaior = and a small HTML document which could be placed in the docs directory. = Shall I include those as well? Alef -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: spr...@li... = [mailto:spr...@li...] Namens = j=C3=BCrgen h=C3=B6ller [werk3AT] Verzonden: Monday, August 18, 2003 10:35 PM Aan: al...@jt...; spr...@li... Onderwerp: Re: [Springframework-developer] Adding Tiles to CVS... Hi Aref, =20 Then please go ahead! :-) =20 There's just one issue that I'd like to resolve: How do you set up Tiles = on startup? You've used a TilesViewResolver before which should not be = necessary. We've discussed a TilesConfigurer, analogous to the existing = VelocityConfigurer. What strategy did you choose in the end? =20 Regarding the libraries: Please only include the compile-time = dependencies, respectively the ones needed for executing the test suite. = We did the same for Hibernate to avoid too much bloat. All of the = libraries should go in lib/tiles, analogous to the existing = lib/hibernate. =20 Don't forget to use the new "spring" module with the org.springframework = packages... ;-) =20 Juergen =20 =20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht-----=20 Von: Alef Arendsen (JTeam) [mailto:al...@jt...]=20 Gesendet: Mo 18.08.2003 22:13=20 An: spr...@li...=20 Cc:=20 Betreff: [Springframework-developer] Adding Tiles to CVS... =09 =09 Hi all,=20 I'm basically ready to add the Tiles functionality to the CVS. It's = tested and works fine.=20 We need to decide now which dependencies to include. Struts is = dependant on the following libraries. The ones that have an * with them = are the ones that are both compile-time and runtime, libraries without * = are only runtime dependencies: *commons-beanutils=20 *commons-digester=20 *commons-logging (we already have that one)=20 *struts (of course)=20 commons-collections=20 commons-lang=20 commons-validator=20 commons-fileupload=20 jakarta-oro=20 It's quite a list, but from the previous mails I saw nobody really = objected to including them. So just add them???=20 Regards,=20 Alef=20 =3D=3D=20 JTeam B.V.=20 Donker Curtiusstraat 7-412=20 1051 JL Amsterdam=20 T: +31 20 486 20 36=20 M: +31 6 24 11 1996=20 F: +31 84 837 00 00=20 E: al...@jt...=20 W: www.jteam.nl <file://www.jteam.nl> =20 N=18HS[=E9=8A=A2{ Zzn=044D=E8=B4=8A=D7=8Aw=D8=806i=17=11=CA=99x = jwjzz=0E=ED=B8=96=ED=B6=8C=C9=A9z{=DA=8Av\=13J N=1B rK=20 ]M=D3=BD=EF=8A=B7NM J jgz x=CB=A6 G =CB=B2q z m?X (=1E~zw X b=CB=9D? = jg=EB=B0=A2=1Dz=ED=BD=96=ED=B2=97 |
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From: Tarjei S. <lo...@on...> - 2003-08-19 04:00:24
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On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 11:36:39PM +0200, Alef Arendsen (JTeam) wrote: > I've taken the Configurer approach, but might want to add the Resolver later on... > > Why? > > Tiles includes a Locale specific DefinitionsFactory (I18FactorySet) that loads definition files for different locales just as the ResourceBundleViewResolver does. However, creating both properties-files for the ResourceBundleViewResolver and definition files for the Tiles definitions (one for each language) seems silly... When using the InternalResourceViewResolver localization isn't (as the documentation also says) possible... It would be possible to use InternalResourceViewResolver in this scenario if we let Tiles do all the locale specific definition resolution. If InternalResourceViewResolver is configured to use TilesView as the viewclass then the localization can be delegates to Tiles itself since it provides that possibility through the I18nFactorySet class. One problem with I18FactorySet is that it is hardcoded to get the Locale for the request from the users session. It has nowhere near the kind of flexibility that Spring provides when it comes to this. Therefore it might be necessary to subclass I18nFactorySet and override the getDefinitionsFactoryKey method to use RequestContextUtils to get the locale instead. With this simple touch Tiles can make use of the advanced locale resolution strategies that spring provides. > I didn't run into an app needing different definitions per language, but this might be necessary for some people. Fro now the Configurer will do!! I'm using Tiles to do just this at the moment and I find it highly useful for pages that contains a lot of content that needs to be localized but where it isn't reasonable to put all the content in a ResouceBundle. By simply extending I18nFactorySet and using RequestContextUtils I'm able to make full use of Tiles I18N capabilities. I've attached SpringDefinitionsFactory as an example of how this may be done. -- Tarjei Skorgenes lo...@on... |
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From: Colin S. <col...@ex...> - 2003-08-18 21:54:09
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Can I suggest that the build produce another variant of Spring which doesn't include the Spring mvc stuff or code like this Tiles support, but does includethe non web-framework specific but web related classes? I am talking about things like WebApplicationContextUtils. I am (happily) using Spring with the Apache Tapestry framework. WebApplicationContext, WebApplicationContextUtils, and other generic classes which make the spring container more usable in a servlet environment are useful to me, but I don't want to bring in other baggage like the Spring web MVC stuff, or now the Tiles support. Also, I find Tapestry to be a very good web framework, which works at a much higher level (component-based) than most web ui frameworks. Is there interest in adding a document into Spring describing how to best use Spring with Tapestry? The cleanest mechnism (allowing you to access Spring context properties declaratively from Tapestry pages) is not necessarilly that intuitive to figure out, so I think my experimentation/work would be useful to other people. Regards, Colin jürgen höller [werk3AT] wrote: >Hi Aref, > >Then please go ahead! :-) > >There's just one issue that I'd like to resolve: How do you set up Tiles on startup? You've used a TilesViewResolver before which should not be necessary. We've discussed a TilesConfigurer, analogous to the existing VelocityConfigurer. What strategy did you choose in the end? > >Regarding the libraries: Please only include the compile-time dependencies, respectively the ones needed for executing the test suite. We did the same for Hibernate to avoid too much bloat. All of the libraries should go in lib/tiles, analogous to the existing lib/hibernate. > >Don't forget to use the new "spring" module with the org.springframework packages... ;-) > >Juergen > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Alef Arendsen (JTeam) [mailto:al...@jt...] > Gesendet: Mo 18.08.2003 22:13 > An: spr...@li... > Cc: > Betreff: [Springframework-developer] Adding Tiles to CVS... > > > > Hi all, > > I'm basically ready to add the Tiles functionality to the CVS. It's tested and works fine. > > We need to decide now which dependencies to include. Struts is dependant on the following libraries. The ones that have an * with them are the ones that are both compile-time and runtime, libraries without * are only runtime dependencies: > > *commons-beanutils > *commons-digester > *commons-logging (we already have that one) > *struts (of course) > commons-collections > commons-lang > commons-validator > commons-fileupload > jakarta-oro > > It's quite a list, but from the previous mails I saw nobody really objected to including them. So just add them??? > > Regards, > > Alef > > == > JTeam B.V. > Donker Curtiusstraat 7-412 > 1051 JL Amsterdam > T: +31 20 486 20 36 > M: +31 6 24 11 1996 > F: +31 84 837 00 00 > E: al...@jt... > W: www.jteam.nl <file://www.jteam.nl> > >N?HS^?隊[)?{(??[?Z?z??n襴?4D??w%?ا?6?i???l?&???x?+??ljwE??????j??zz0?'?????Zɩ?z{^??0?v?\???b??J??DNm??ڲ??brK???&? >??ƴ?]4?Mڽ?݊????Z??N??M???5J???jg??? z??????x%??R?????ڙ?(?G^??h????l???q???z?m????X???(?? ~??zw??X?????b???????jg??? z?? > |
